Post: #26

Who uses their credit card at a strip club in the first place? And their ATM's charge like $10-20 per transaction. Bring some singles and drink money at most.

(12-29-2015 12:22 PM)Only One Man Wrote:  Obviously this is a crime and can't be tolerated but if this is all being done to wall street execs? Good. Fuck them. They've been fucking people over and stealing peoples' hard earned money for a long time. I'm sure whatever was stolen from them is less than 1% of the bailout money they each got from the taxpayers anyway. These motherfuckers aren't gonna get any of my sympathy.

You sound no better than the ratchet criminals running the scam. The words before "but" are directly contradicted by the rest of the post.

Two wrongs don't make a right. How can you rationally justify these whores drugging and robbing anybody? They obviously target men who look rich but who are you to decide if they deserved to be robbed blind? Is it okay for execs at Firm X to get screwed, but not Firm Y if they were never bailed out?

Come on man, it would be equally unjustifiable if the victim getting scammed was Jesus Christ or Joseph Stalin. Drugging and robbing someone is completely and utterly wrong regardless of whether the victim is a saint or pedophile.

Post: #27

(12-29-2015 10:05 PM)Lucario Wrote:  Strip clubs are something I cannot comprehend as to why they even exist?

Like how can you shell out $20+ dollars just to get teased for sex...masturbating is way better...mindblowing stuff

even in my virgin-beta-no-knowledge-of-game days I never felt thirsty enough the need to visit a strip club

I make sure I give my mates plenty of shit for even entertaining the thought of going to a strip club..they think I'm being a dick, but it is for their own good.

The only time I can see a strip club being useful is if you are trying to close a business deal and you pay a stripper to give lap danced to your client...but other wise they are pointless, and this article proves it.

I used to date a woman in Boston whose father was a State Police Colonel... she got her series 7 and with contacts landed at a large brokerage - she closed most of her largest deals at high end Strip Clubs - it is what it is if you use it for business oddly enough when she was young she was hotter than most of the strippers.

She did very well and paid off her parents mortgage and ultimately retired wealthy but by then the wall hit and she consoled herself with a new house and a high end merc. The highest end club in New England was the Foxy Lady in North Providence RI - they added several more... always had a parking lot full of limos and Tour buses! Tabs were cleared and the CC receipt was "Gullivers Tavern" to cater to the biz crowd - mostly college girls or hot single mothers who made serious coin - though the rest of the clubs in Metro Boston SoNH have become pretty seedy and some downright dangerous.

They had such a high cash flow they did not have to run scams. Could jeopardize their liquor license.

I know a woman who was an old FWB worked her way into a nice hair salon in North Providence that she bought for cash she made at you guessed it Scores - she had some stories to tell. Google it - one manager was notorious for running up huge bills and got guys drunk would call to see how much they could run up on their corp cards and then get the guys fingerprint on the bill... goal was $25K - guy was eventually prosecuted for credit card fraud but scores stayed in biz - go figure NYC for you.

She was a very sexy slim feminine and loving woman in her day - had visions of marriage but then decided that if I had daughters did not want them inculcated into that life as an option to becoming a strong independent woman... we stayed friendly and she had some seriously hot clients also ultra sexy but she was ageist and would not intro me to any of the high SMV girls in their 20s... only the post wall gals in their late 30's early 40's - then I learned game.

Strip clubs are what they are - like anyplace if you get blue faced drunk in public a strong chance it does not turn out well. The roofy thing is definitely crossing the line and a felony in most states but the victim has to be willing to press charges and in a public trial which most men prefer to avoid and that's how these strip club intoxication scams always seem to crop up anew.

Post: #28

(12-29-2015 10:05 PM)Lucario Wrote:  Strip clubs are something I cannot comprehend as to why they even exist?

You must be a hit at parties....

Why do porn magazines exist? Or Maxim, biker mags, and car models?

Why do daisy dukes exist?

Why does Hooters exist?

Why do geishas exist?

Why do burlesque dancers exist?

Why do swimsuit posters exist?

Why do hot bartenders exist?

Men like to see scantily-clad or non-clad good-looking women. It's simple.

It's not the end of the world and it's all in good fun.

Quote:Like how can you shell out $20+ dollars just to get teased for sex...

If spending $20 for some naked entertainment is some big financial decision, yeah, you should not be going to a strip club.

On the other hand, if you routinely shell out $60 - $100 at clubs, or a lot more, like many guys do, I honestly don't see what the big deal is. Look at all the guys who blow a few hundred in a night at a bar or casino. I'm not recommending that but it does put this type of thing in perspective.

$20 is not some huge amount of cash.

Not to mention the guys at the strip clubs are usually drinking and socializing as well as getting titties rubbed in their face.

You're simplifying the experience. It's not a pricey alternative to getting laid; it's just one more alternative to going to other nightlife venues at night.

And again, every man present chooses his own conduct, so obviously don't go pillaging through tossing buckets of money around like it's going to impress the floozies into screwing you.

Quote:masturbating is way better...mindblowing stuff

I guess.

Not really an apples to apples comparison, though - do you bring your buddies along to your masturbation sessions and let them sit across the room egging you on?

I mean, if you really can't have some girl flop her titties around in front of you without feeling an overwhelming urge to nut, then yeah, you probably shouldn't go to a strip club or are going for the wrong reasons.

It's not a place you go to recieve sexual satisfaction (unless you pull, which you can if have game and are so inclined). It's about having a fun time and not taking life too seriously.

If you do get horny, which is of course possible, there's this: guys talk about pre-date or pre hitting the club routines...

A strip club is a great way to get in the vibe before heading out to chase normal girls.

Quote:even in my virgin-beta-no-knowledge-of-game days I never felt thirsty enough the need to visit a strip club

All guys who go to strip clubs with their buddies are dying of thirst? Or even alone?



Strip club crowds are mixed with guys from all walks of life. It doesn't take a genius to walk into any half-decent establishment and see that.

Quote:I make sure I give my mates plenty of shit for even entertaining the thought of going to a strip club..they think I'm being a dick, but it is for their own good.

Your buddies don't think you're being a dick. They think you have a stick up your ass and don't know how to stop overanalyzing everything and have a good time.

Quote:The only time I can see a strip club being useful is if you are trying to close a business deal and you pay a stripper to give lap danced to your client...but other wise they are pointless, and this article proves it.

I don't get it.

It's okay to buy a lap dance for a client you're trying to schmooze but not for your brother, cousin, buddy, hillbilly uncle, or grandpa just because you like the hell out of him? Because you just want to have some laughs and bond?

Or how about your friend who is getting married? Or just some loveable schmuck who has no game (we can't all be winners) and/or is married and never gets out and you can't help but get a kick out of his red-faced response when he's buried in flesh?

When my little brother got married, I duct taped a blow up doll on him piggyback, shoved a bottle up her ass, brought him to the strip club, and buried him in one dollar bills. I'll never forget the ear to ear grin on his face - priceless. As always, he was grinning because of the crowd of us behind him laughing and sprinkling him with ones more than anything.

Afterwards we went to the bars (ass-penetrated blowup doll still riding along - when I woke up in the morning someone had impaled her rubber vagina with a cue stick and left her spreadeagled on my pool table).

I pulled that night at the bars. So did a few other guys rolling with us. The strip club was just the appetizer and none of us were hiding in a dark corner tugging our wanks in desparation while the girls played their predictable little games.

Lighten up. Life is fun.

Just watch your credit cards, obviously.

Oh, and for the record, I could care less if you don't enjoy these places. If you don't have fun, by all means, don't go.

But this "strip clubs are only for thirsty betas" schtick is just misguided posturing.

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Rudyard Kipling

Post: #29

I would say most strip clubs in America are pathetic especially if you're in one of the shitty states(New York,California, Nevada, etc) where the girls don't get fully naked or if they do they can only serve soda and touching is not allowed. Whats the point?

No fun, too many rules, 100% hustle and roided up security guards. It's typically not even a "gentleman's" club anymore as they let in couples, lesbians or that dude wearing sandals and/or a durag. No thanks. Places like Miami, Atlanta, Texas and Quebec are probably the only halfway decent options in North America.

However, a half hour or so spent in a strip club in Brazil, Colombia or Mexico can be a whole other experience. These are men's only places and the no limits fun and debauchery there is unique. I'm not talking pay for play either but just the experience you can have with a few friends at the strip club while sipping beers, rubbing titties or slapping latina strippers' bubble butt asses.

Hell, I've even seen strippers select dudes from the audience and suck them off on stage...for free! Hardcore lesbian shows, you name it, everything short of a donkey show. Something to check off your bucket list.

Post: #30

(12-31-2015 04:48 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  I would say most strip clubs in America are pathetic especially if you're in one of the shitty states(New York,California, Nevada, etc) where the girls don't get fully naked or if they do they can only serve soda and touching is not allowed. Whats the point?

No fun, too many rules, 100% hustle and roided up security guards. It's typically not even a "gentleman's" club anymore as they let in couples, lesbians or that dude wearing sandals and/or a durag. No thanks. Places like Miami, Atlanta, Texas and Quebec are probably the only halfway decent options in North America.

However, a half hour or so spent in a strip club in Brazil, Colombia or Mexico can be a whole other experience. These are men's only places and the no limits fun and debauchery there is unique. I'm not talking pay for play either but just the experience you can have with a few friends at the strip club while sipping beers, rubbing titties or slapping latina strippers' bubble butt asses.

Hell, I've even seen strippers select dudes from the audience and suck them off on stage...for free! Hardcore lesbian shows, you name it, everything short of a donkey show. Something to check off your bucket list.

They're pathetic huh? I'm not even really into strip clubs and I know that's fucking nonsense posturing against the USA. I've personally smacked the HELL out of some asses while in full view of all kinds of chodes and security at these "pathetic" strip clubs and have witnessed hand jobs, blow jobs, etc... both in public or private areas. I don't even think hand jobs/blow jobs in the strip club are an interesting thing either, you're just grasping at international straws thinking they're some kind of holy grail amongst strip clubs.

It's hilarious to me that you think California and New York are "shitty states."

Post: #31

(12-31-2015 06:43 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  It's hilarious to me that you think California and New York are "shitty states."

I'm originally from California and I can vouch that California is a shitty state.

I can get into the reasons why but it would be long.

Post: #32

(12-28-2015 08:16 AM)_GQ_ Wrote:  ^^^just a rumor, she's not going to be in any Star Wars films from what I've heard.

Highly doubt that Rey will have any romantic partner in the films. She's going to spend the majority of the next film training with Luke.

(12-31-2015 06:43 AM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  

(12-31-2015 04:48 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  I would say most strip clubs in America are pathetic especially if you're in one of the shitty states(New York,California, Nevada, etc) where the girls don't get fully naked or if they do they can only serve soda and touching is not allowed. Whats the point?

No fun, too many rules, 100% hustle and roided up security guards. It's typically not even a "gentleman's" club anymore as they let in couples, lesbians or that dude wearing sandals and/or a durag. No thanks. Places like Miami, Atlanta, Texas and Quebec are probably the only halfway decent options in North America.

However, a half hour or so spent in a strip club in Brazil, Colombia or Mexico can be a whole other experience. These are men's only places and the no limits fun and debauchery there is unique. I'm not talking pay for play either but just the experience you can have with a few friends at the strip club while sipping beers, rubbing titties or slapping latina strippers' bubble butt asses.

Hell, I've even seen strippers select dudes from the audience and suck them off on stage...for free! Hardcore lesbian shows, you name it, everything short of a donkey show. Something to check off your bucket list.

They're pathetic huh? I'm not even really into strip clubs and I know that's fucking nonsense posturing against the USA. I've personally smacked the HELL out of some asses while in full view of all kinds of chodes and security at these "pathetic" strip clubs and have witnessed hand jobs, blow jobs, etc... both in public or private areas. I don't even think hand jobs/blow jobs in the strip club are an interesting thing either, you're just grasping at international straws thinking they're some kind of holy grail amongst strip clubs.

It's hilarious to me that you think California and New York are "shitty states."

Damn dude, did I hit a nerve? Laugh it up, its not that serious.

I meant New York, Nevada, California, etc. Especially California, is a shitty state because they have inane rules that attempt to control behavior of tax paying adults. 2am last call for adults over 21 years old in the year 2016, in the most populous state of the US, in a country that pretends to stand for personal freedom and limited government, IS a fucking joke.

The fact that New York and Nevada, plus the majority of non southern states can't serve you a beer and show you pussy at the same time is madness. One can't even point to a puritan legacy because sixty years ago things were far looser, when it comes to anything solely for straight males things have got progressively more restrictive.

These states and municipalities pass ordinances on a whim, 6 ft rules away from nude dancers, 30 ft away from the dancers. Do these places shut down and go out of business after these ridiculous laws are passed? No because their clientele is still desperate to even get a peek at the pussy while they sip their $12 sprite. Yes, that IS pathetic.

For the record, im not saying your state or city is shitty(though it probably is as well but for other reasons), just their strip clubs. If you live in the few US cities with real strip clubs or have gone international its like taking a red pill. There is no going back.

Post: #33

Scores totally sucks.

Post: #34

This calls for a separate thread describing the best strips clubs (USA and the World) services menu and costs and why they are so great...

Post: #35

I have to say one place that has really good strip joints in my opinion is Toronto. Full nudity, alcohol, touching allowed with extracurriculars in the back room if you so desire with hot strippers. Canadian strip joints are generally much better than those in many US states ( gawd the ones in Chicago are hideously awful, so bad).

Post: #36

There was a local weatherman from my city who claims he was roofied by two Latvian girls in Miami Beach then woke up the next day to $43K on his credit card and a tacky painting.

Here's the story from a few years back:

THE GUY tossed restlessly in his bed, night after night, for the better part of a year.

He couldn't sleep. He had nightmares whenever he did - bizarre, Kafkaesque snippets of dialogue involving the Russian mob, a pair of mysterious, dark-haired women, a goofy-looking painting and an incomprehensible credit-card bill.

The shadowy characters and confusing plots from the bad dreams haunted John Bolaris in real life, too.

Yeah, that John Bolaris.

Few people know that the affable local weatherman's life was turned upside down during a visit to Miami Beach last spring that started out pleasantly and ended with his getting drugged - twice - while his credit card was used by Eastern European scam artists to rack up $43,000 worth of expenses in just two days, while he staggered around in a stupor.

Even fewer people would probably believe that story, with all its seemingly borrowed-from-the-movies clichés.

American Express, Bolaris' credit-card company, didn't buy it. The company abruptly ended an investigation into his claims and demanded that he pay the five-figure bill.

Bolaris balked, and American Express referred his account to a collection agency, which decimated his credit score. He recently filed a civil lawsuit against the credit giant.

The FBI believed Bolaris. In fact, his testimony helped a federal grand jury last month indict 17 members of a massive wire-fraud scheme that victimized 87 out-of-town men who had visited South Beach bars and restaurants between February 2010 and last month.

"It really has been a year of hell, dealing with all of this," said Bolaris, victim No. 88. "I don't even know where to begin."

'Do shot'
Every spring, Bolaris and a pal head to Florida for a couple of days of hanging out in the sun.

Last March, his pal bailed at the last second. Bolaris went anyway.

He checked into his Miami Beach hotel, the Fontainebleau, and headed to dinner at another hotel. A few diners recognized him from TV and started asking about the weather.

Unbeknown to Bolaris, federal authorities said, two Latvian women - Marina Turcina and Anna Kilimatova - had been watching him. They sized him up - good-looking middle-aged guy with an expensive watch - and made their move.

"They came up from behind me, and said, 'Are you weather presenter?'

"The bartender said, 'Yeah, he's a weatherman!' " Bolaris said.

"They asked me if I could guess where they were from. I said Poland. They said they were from Estonia."

Marina, 24, and Anna, 25, were dark-haired, blue-eyed and beautiful, and were elegantly dressed. Bolaris said he ordered them wine.

Fast forward a few minutes. "We were sitting by a pool bar, and they asked if I did shots," Bolaris said. "I said no.

"One of them started rubbing me, opened my mouth, and said, 'Do [a] shot.' "

It was days before Bolaris figured out that the women had slipped him a roofie, the infamous date-rape drug.

'You're liable'
What happened next is a blur. Bolaris said he remembered sharing a cab with the women, who mentioned something about visiting a friend having a charity fundraiser.

"I remember someone holding me up and making me sign something," he said.

"Then I woke up in a taxi. My shirt was stained with red wine, and I had this huge painting of a woman's head."

He tracked down Marina and Anna, who said he had bid for the painting at the fundraiser. They met him at his hotel - ostensibly to return his sunglasses, which they had taken by accident - and promised to straighten the whole thing out, if only Bolaris would share a cab with them to the Caviar Bar, where one of the women said she left her purse.

Bolaris obliged. Then he was drugged again, according to the FBI.

"They got me twice," he said. "I couldn't put anything together. I had no idea what happened."

A few days later, Bolaris said, he got a phone call from American Express. The company asked about the $43,000 he had just spent on booze and caviar in South Beach.

Bolaris was apoplectic. The charges, he said, were outrageous and clearly the result of a scam.

"They promised they would look into it," Bolaris said. "Two weeks later, I got a call from their fraud department. They said, 'You're liable.'

"They said, 'You were at the Caviar Bar . . . we have pictures, and you were having a good time,' " Bolaris said.

The credit card company sent him receipts from purchases that were made with his card. "None of them had my signature," he said.

Bolaris hired Philadelphia attorney Chuck Peruto Jr. to sort out the situation. Letters were sent and phone calls were made, but American Express was adamant that Bolaris had not been the victim of a scam, and had to pay the huge bill.

"They closed my account and referred me to a collection agency," Bolaris said. "My credit was ruined. I was humiliated and embarrassed."

American Express declined last night to comment. Bolaris' lawsuit claims that the company had failed to protect him against fraud, and seeks more than $50,000 in damages.

'My redemption'
While his battle with American Express simmered, Bolaris contacted Miami police.

The FBI picked up the case, and asked Bolaris to testify before a grand jury.

Last month, the feds busted 17 members of the Eastern European ring, which relied on "bar girls" from overseas who targeted wealthy out-of-towners at South Beach bars.

The FBI said the women hunted late at night for men who wore expensive watches and shoes, and typically lured their prey to private clubs run by other members of the ring. The clubs - including the Caviar Bar - were just fronts, and were not open to the public.

The men were often drugged or fed a heavy stream of alcohol until they were barely coherent.

Some "victims are propped up by the B-Girls long enough to obtain signatures on credit card receipts," the FBI wrote in a criminal complaint.

"Helping to take down those criminals," Bolaris said, "that felt really good. That was my redemption."

Post: #37

When all is said and done, the bottom line here is that this is theft, pure and simple. It's credit fraud.

So the lesson here again, guys, is this:

1. Get a good credit card (no annual fees, great customer service, something that gives you either miles or cash benefits, etc.)

2. Use your credit card. That may surprise you. Some people hate credit cards. I love them! As long as you pay off your balance every month, and never let them charge interest, they are great. Use them! Cash has its place, but once you pay it, the money is gone. At least with credit cards, you can dispute fraudulent charges. I prefer American Expresss. And make sure your card has a security chip in it.

3. Save all your receipts. You'll need these if you have to dispute something.

Just some thoughts of mine.