Post: #1

The Ad
- college degree
- 2 years experience
- good pay and benefits
- eeoc compliant

Please send your resume

The Interview

I see that you have a 4.0 from a top school. That's great.

3 years experience in our industry. Seems like you had some great technical experience.

So where would you like to be in 5 years?
Management, great! We need young leaders.

You're a great candidate, I'm going to recommend and offer.

The Offer

Above market pay...
401k with matching contributions!
Health insurance!
Company Car!

Sweet.

The first year

It's been tough, but I've met or exceeded all of my goals.

Great, here's your 2.7% raise.
Keep up the good work.

Years 2-3 go by

The work that was interesting is now largely very rote.
The raises he kept pace with inflation, and they kept their end of the deal so far.

The Yearning
But a real jump in salary, responsibility, or prestige isn't coming.

The company has made you a cog in their machine. Barring anything happening to the company or the economy, you'll probably be here until you're ready to retire.

It's just that you'll be doing the same thing.
Maybe you might train some interns to do what you do, but that's really the end all be all of your job.

Someone needs to die in essence for you to move up.

But shouldn't you be satisfied? A bunch of people don't have jobs, those that do, don't have one as good as you.

Yet a handful of people, with your exact background and worse have better jobs.

Dare you aspire?
Is it okay to ask for more?
Is it okay to want more for your life's work than this job?

What do you think of the person who hired you?
What do you think of the person you work under?

He must hope that you're happy with your lot in life.
That's why he chose you.
You were perfectly okay with doing what is necessary, why should you do more?

He doesn't owe you anything.
He never promised more than the salary and the benefits.

Clearly he's not trying to do more with you and your talents.

He got what he bargained for, so if he doesn't want to do more with you - you're justified in leaving, right?

Should it matter to you that it will take him some time to replace you?
No, it shouldn't.

So you put your resume back up on monster, keep reading craig's list, and go through your network.

WIA

Post: #2

The first year -
Its been tough but I've met or exceeded most of my goals.

[You've got a feel for the boss, his boss, the company culture and your peer group.
You've become close friends with clients who are impressed, but they dont want to poach you away. Not yet.]

Years 2 & 3 -

The work that was interesting is now largely very rote.
The raises he kept pace with inflation, and they kept their end of the deal so far.

Years 1 and 2 you've taken on a lot of your boss's responsibilities while letting him take the credit for it. Bossman relies on you more than peer group, and behind closed doors, you've informed him that while you understand the firm's policies, you need to grow faster so you can help him more. You remind him that he needs to move upward so that you can move upward as well, that your fortunes are tied together for now.

There is an implicit threat of leaving the company. You've flirted around with competitors, your work experiences are better than the peer group's through a mixture of embellishment and doing your boss's work. The clients have also been impressed and they trust your judgement better than the firm's. You've covertly pushed them to praise you around the boss, thereby pressuring him into seeing that you have more options. Bossman is happy, the clients are happy, and you have developed a network of friends in the industry(Few, if any, you'd trust outside professional circles). You know the firm doesn't give a shit, but if you leave, Bossman's life becomes uncomfortable again. And he has enough reason to fight for an above average increase for you.

He does it, and you stay for a year, then jump ship.
He doesn't do it, you go for drinks with everyone at the local watering hole, add them on Linkedin and the Christmas greeting card list, and jump ship to a better role. In 6 months, a few of these 'friends' get back in touch to try and jump ship as well, you help them to the extent that it doesn't sabotage your prospects.
They are grateful.

5 years down the line, when the new ship's captain doesnt give a fuck, you already have a host of options that these 'friends' and clients are happy to provide.
Monster is nice, but you get the best options through closed doors. And you're probably the best "fit", whatever the fuck that means.

If the captain fights for you, you stay.
If he doesnt, you go for drinks and add them on Linkedin.....

He doesn't owe you anything.
He never promised more than the salary and the benefits.
Neither did you.

Post: #3

Power in the workplace, like power in a relationship, is rooted in having options and either acting on them or subtly threatening to do so. To paraphrase LeBron, sometimes you must be willing to take your talents to South Beach to get the respect and control you deserve.

For specific strategies and tactics, I recommend reading "The 48 Laws of Power" by Robert Greene. The book gave me a number of tools to get what I wanted both within my own company and when negotiating with clients. For instance, here it appears that you expect your loyalty to your boss and the company to pay off -- that works with some people, but often you have to appeal directly to their self-interest when you want something more from them.

Post: #4

Reminds me of "leapfrog theory" from Winning Through Intimidation by Robert Ringer.

Quote:No one has an obligation — moral, legal, or otherwise — to “work his way up through the ranks.” Every human being possesses an inalienable right to make a unilateral decision to redirect his career and begin operating on a higher level at any time that he, and he alone, believes he is ready.

http://www.earlytorise.com/the-power-of-...og-theory/

Say you're a senior dev facing the situation WIA describes, in a company, and you start thinking like Sharkie wrote above. But you're still stuck. Rather than jumping ship to a new job, maybe you find a huge whale of a client that trusts you from your past projects, and you strike out on your own with this first client. Hire a few ex-colleagues to moonlight, and suddenly you are getting a huge percentage of revenue of a number YOU named, rather than a salary.

Certain industries are great for leapfrogging. I'm not an expert on law, but are there any legal barriers to starting a law firm other than being a barred lawyer? What if some associate who will never make partner decides to start his own law firm, and hustles like mad to find a crop of first clients and other lawyers to work with him? That's leapfrogging... no law against it, but most people will say "oooh too risky!"

Post: #5

Welcome to the real world

Post: #6

The thing is, moving up in the corporate world to me looks like going back to kindergarten. Everything is about nice and shiny things or pictures of it, office politics, power plays, bullshit bingo. I am either in the wrong and too big company or it's like that everywhere. I have not ruled out becoming a Moberg-style degenerate expat somewhere though.

Post: #7

I'm too esoteric for my own good sometimes.

WIA

Post: #8

This parallels my current employment and career history to a T.

Post: #9

I believe this post is pointing out the parallels between career progression and relationship progression. I.e. you can be doing a perfectly adequate job but still not meet the criteria for promotions (FB -> LTR -> Fiance -> Spouse -> Parent).

Post: #10

I work in TV post production, you basically have to leave your current job to move up in this company. Either go full freelance or find a company willing to take a chance and hire you as a full editor if you're an assistant. Only way to do it, very few companies promote internally.

Post: #11

(01-08-2016 10:03 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  I'm too esoteric for my own good sometimes.

WIA

I *was* wondering why this was in the Game forum.

Post: #12

So correct me if I'm looking at this incorrectly:

The "boss" is the man. The "job" is the relationship(marriage?) The disillusioned "employee" is the woman. "Interns" children.

Post: #13

my plan is to pay off my student loans, then spend the rest of my life trying to build a successful business.

i don't really wanna work for someone else. the pay will never be enough -- why settle for 300k/yr when i can just own the multi-billion dollar organization? anyone else feel this way?

maybe im just young and naive, though

Post: #14

Yeah, let's all build multi billion dollar organizations.

Even earning a million is pretty difficult, but hey, we're all alpha males here, never mind that shit.

BTW why is this thread in the game section?

Post: #15

(01-08-2016 11:03 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  Yeah, let's all build multi billion dollar organizations.

Even earning a million is pretty difficult, but hey, we're all alpha males here, never mind that shit.

BTW why is this thread in the game section?

Cause it's not about climbing the corporate ladder.

It's about understanding power relations. Which is a huge part of game. It's why the Assistant Manager can easily Bang the cashier. Or a homely professor can get his dick sucked by a co-ed.

Part of the suit's appeal, apart from making you visually coherent, apart from suggesting wealth, is also that a suit suggests power. Power is different than wealth. ....

And it's a response to a lot of the "ltr" posts, with guys thinking that their chick is just gonna lay down for em.
But most of the guys in those posts, are actually not in this one.

People tend to see one context and see the solution/problem/issues/complexity - but they often fail to generalize or abstract the issue and apply the general lessons.

The parallels between picking up women and convincing people to buy things is well explored. So is starting a business, and arguably economics.

So why not take something from that part of the Venn Diagram and think about it?

Or is that asking too much?

It's 2016, Game should keep evolving. No point in repeating truisms.

WIA

Post: #16

Leaving corporate world was one of best things I ever did in my life. That sense of freedom and control is something I could never sacrifice again. If any of you ever have a chance to do it, it will do wonders for your well being and also your game. If you're a bitch at work, you'll carry that over into all the other parts of your life. If you're on control of your career and have it handled, you'll also have your game handled as well.

Post: #17

We all should be striving to pluck ourselves out of the proverbial cog after swallowing the red pill. Easier said than done. Still, for those of us that are young, being aware and unbound is a good start.

Post: #18

Y'all knew I had to get in here.

The manosphere and the forum has created this "luster" around starting your own business and being independent. And, that's cool.

However, there are too many people buying into the *Corporations are evil* rhetoric as a result of this just because it represents the opposite. I would say it's very naive to do do so. This misunderstanding comes from the "perception" that things are bad at Corporations, generally vocalized only by people that have a lack of work ethic (not saying all people are like that) or those working for a company with no values or leadership qualities in managers. The liberal media is a source for all of this as well and I used to subconsciously buy into it for years.

What I'm saying is that you can still swallow the red pill, work for someone and be successful in a Corporate environment.

The analogy I would present is gaming. There are people that game in the U.S., don't succeed and then go overseas because of the "perception" that it's great there, instead of improving their game at home. Let me preface that this is not a bad thing and I can appreciate people on either side. So don't get me wrong. All I'm saying is, it doesn't make sense to tell the guy staying locally and gaming to leave the country for Phillippines or Russia when he is being a man and improving himself by gaming harder girls locally.

Corporations are tricky in that you have to build political capital to succeed; not just do your job. If you are a person that works 9 - 5 and sits there expecting a promotion in 2 - 3 or 5 - 6 years or whatever, don't expect to get one. As a matter of fact, expect to be laid off, instead. Generalizing "Corporate life" as 9 - 5 and not a place where you have to build value to earn privilege is elementary at best and does not account for the various factors and GAME involved to get ahead.

Working for someone else, collaborating with others, having people work for you and earning their trust builds character and confidence. It also gives you experience in how to read people from a mile. If and once you start a business, this experience can be an invaluable component of your success. If you don't succeed in Corporate America, don't expect to start a business all of a sudden and have that succeed. Game is game everywhere. Even Roosh used some of his skills as a scientist when he left his Corporate job.

Source of my views: 10 years in Corporate Finance. I still work for a company but more or less own my own book of business and maintain it. My 10 years were difficult but were a key foundation to any of the success that I'm seeing these days. If anyone feels like reading about any of it, links are in my signature below.

Post: #19

(01-09-2016 08:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(01-08-2016 11:03 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  Yeah, let's all build multi billion dollar organizations.

Even earning a million is pretty difficult, but hey, we're all alpha males here, never mind that shit.

BTW why is this thread in the game section?

Cause it's not about climbing the corporate ladder.

It's about understanding power relations. Which is a huge part of game. It's why the Assistant Manager can easily Bang the cashier. Or a homely professor can get his dick sucked by a co-ed.

Part of the suit's appeal, apart from making you visually coherent, apart from suggesting wealth, is also that a suit suggests power. Power is different than wealth. ....

And it's a response to a lot of the "ltr" posts, with guys thinking that their chick is just gonna lay down for em.
But most of the guys in those posts, are actually not in this one.

People tend to see one context and see the solution/problem/issues/complexity - but they often fail to generalize or abstract the issue and apply the general lessons.

The parallels between picking up women and convincing people to buy things is well explored. So is starting a business, and arguably economics.

So why not take something from that part of the Venn Diagram and think about it?

Or is that asking too much?

It's 2016, Game should keep evolving. No point in repeating truisms.

WIA

Game is power, and while having only inner game isn't enough to maximize potential and lays, it is such a huge intangible that you circumvent the traditional modes of behavior to get laid (like the asst manager, professor, etc).

Applying it outside of picking up women, look at Donald Trump right now. You have Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and other Republican contenders spending millions of dollars trying to promote their message and convince the people they are right for the job. Trump has spent almost nothing but his power projection (and real power as well) and actions have convinced many on the right that he is better than the others. We don't need to list why he would be a better leader than the other candidates, many just know it. Trump's power/game gives him the nod, and Bush and Rubio fall short. Like the guy in the example with a nice resume, working steadily at the corporation, that won't get him to the top if that is what he wants. You better have something else that is going to set you apart from the others.

At the end of the op, the awakening the man has reminded of me taking the red pill. We don't owe it to anyone to build a resume, get a good job, than marry some 31 year old career woman and provide for the family because it is just what we should do. We want more: more money, more women, more freedom. Game is the answer for women, and in other areas of life if you own your own business and are financially-independent, that is power in and of itself.

Post: #20

^Exactly. Game is Power. Money is power. Game = Money to me. That's my mindset.

Why be satisfied with having a harem of attractive women? Why not build a conglomerate of business that create wealth for you? Or multiple vacation homes?

The sky's the limit.

Post: #21

(01-09-2016 08:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Part of the suit's appeal...

I'm glad you think I'm appealing.