Post: #1

Perhaps 8 years ago, I might have cared about the presidential election. I can't be bothered anymore. I barely even read the news. I just realized that Christmas is right around the corner - when I was younger the holidays were an exciting time for me. Now, I hardly even notice. I don't watch much TV. People are excited about the Star Wars movie...I couldn't care less. My childhood died a long time ago and I feel no need to revisit any characters from it.

Since I've been back in the dating game and dealing with all the shit that comes along with trying to have a decent sex life as a 30 something man, I've found that much of the rest of the world outside my work and my own hobbies and interests has just dropped away.

Given how female-centric I realize much of society is, I just feel alienated from it.

Post: #2

Not for me.

I feel pretty powerful by possessing vast clarity and peace of mind from that clarity.

Pro-tip: If some philosophical conclusions you've reached bother you, maybe you haven't reach a conclusion or you haven't matured in your perception of that conclusion.

Post: #3

(12-19-2015 03:55 AM)TonySandos Wrote:  Not for me.

I feel pretty powerful by possessing vast clarity and peace of mind from that clarity.

Pro-tip: If some philosophical conclusions you've reached bother you, maybe you haven't reach a conclusion or you haven't matured in your perception of that conclusion.

I disagree.

I think a certain degree of apathy is natural when learning a hard truth.

It's certainly possible to understand something and still feel apathetic about it. Yes, there is a certain degree of power in understanding how the world works, but not everyone feels the same way.

Post: #4

(12-19-2015 04:02 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 03:55 AM)TonySandos Wrote:  Not for me.

I feel pretty powerful by possessing vast clarity and peace of mind from that clarity.

Pro-tip: If some philosophical conclusions you've reached bother you, maybe you haven't reach a conclusion or you haven't matured in your perception of that conclusion.

I disagree.

I think a certain degree of apathy is natural when learning a hard truth.

It's certainly possible to understand something and still feel apathetic about it. Yes, there is a certain degree of power in understanding how the world works, but not everyone feels the same way.

...given your username could we have expected any other conclusion?

Post: #5

(12-19-2015 04:10 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 04:02 AM)whateverfuckit Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 03:55 AM)TonySandos Wrote:  Not for me.

I feel pretty powerful by possessing vast clarity and peace of mind from that clarity.

Pro-tip: If some philosophical conclusions you've reached bother you, maybe you haven't reach a conclusion or you haven't matured in your perception of that conclusion.

I disagree.

I think a certain degree of apathy is natural when learning a hard truth.

It's certainly possible to understand something and still feel apathetic about it. Yes, there is a certain degree of power in understanding how the world works, but not everyone feels the same way.

...given your username could we have expected any other conclusion?

Haha! Witty. I like it.

My username was actually out of frustration of finding a username that wasn't taken.

Post: #6

(12-19-2015 03:51 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  Perhaps 8 years ago, I might have cared about the presidential election. I can't be bothered anymore. I barely even read the news. I just realized that Christmas is right around the corner - when I was younger the holidays were an exciting time for me. Now, I hardly even notice. I don't watch much TV. People are excited about the Star Wars movie...I couldn't care less. My childhood died a long time ago and I feel no need to revisit any characters from it.

Since I've been back in the dating game and dealing with all the shit that comes along with trying to have a decent sex life as a 30 something man, I've found that much of the rest of the world outside my work and my own hobbies and interests has just dropped away.

Given how female-centric I realize much of society is, I just feel alienated from it.

I felt that also in my 30's. It's a good description.

I'm not sure how much of that is 'red-pill' or just simply growing up. For example, it would be pretty silly to see a grown man in his 30's acting as giddy as a 5 year-old about Christmas and the new Star Wars movie. Yet still, you have to wonder, "Where did all the enthusiasm we used to have in our 20's go?" It's not like we tried to get rid of it, it just upped and walked out.

But maybe it's a bit of red-pill and growing up?

Another word for growing up is "awareness". It happens slowly and naturally over time, but can be sped up significantly the more we think. Reading and participating in this forum can cause that to happen. Even if you don't agree with something posted, you still read it, and so have to think about it.

Remember the days as a child we would go to our friends house, knock on their door and ask if they can come out to play? You go and run around the neighborhood throwing the football, riding your bikes or just exploring.

Those were good times. We were completely happy and content because we were very unconscious (innocent). The more we age, the more conscious (aware) we become of the world and our separation from it and the others. As a result we lose our innocence, and that's ok.

Even though most of modern day media values innocence as the most cherished and important thing in the world, it's really meant to be lost, not to be held onto. To try and do so is an effort to avoid the calling of maturity, and self-knowledge.

For your last statement, I completely understand how alienated you feel from our feminine-dominated society. Especially when every year the feminine gets more bold, more outrageous. Since there are so few who really see that, it can make us feel even more isolated and alienated.

When you gain any kind of real knowledge about something it's natural to have a Hamlet response. "To be or not to be". Real knowledge is unsettling and dangerous that way. It can feel like you're in a desert, but your mission is to keep plowing through that desert, even if takes 40 years.

Post: #7

Becoming red pill might make you apathetic, but becoming neomasculine has invigorated me.

While the red pill provides truth, neomasculinity builds on those truths to guide you to what every man needs:

Purpose.

Read more: http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-neomasculinity#20

Post: #8

Some of you meet existential nihilism and simply wallow in it. I'm seeing a trend in this. As I said before, if you reach a conclusion and it's simply unsettling to you, you haven't given the proper time to ruminate and digest it. If it's starkly uncomfortable, you should aim to form a eased and stoic grasp of it. That's what meditations exist for.

Onto said a few important things:
"Even though most of modern day media values innocence as the most cherished and important thing in the world, it's really meant to be lost, not to be held onto."
"Real knowledge is unsettling and dangerous that way. It can feel like you're in a desert, but your mission is to keep plowing through that desert, even if takes 40 years."

The most critical difference between a man that feels fulfillment and one who doesn't is his unique philosophy on his purpose. For me, I view these challenges of facing stark truths as pioneering mentally. My only goals are to continue to discover, maintain my poise, strengthen myself and work toward the Christian ideals I've chosen to follow into.

You need to find an enduring purpose for your life that survives beyond the frailties of whatever external narratives you're trying to attach to your perspective. That can mean religious dogmas, solipsism, atheism, transcendentalism, mortality, reproduction, violence, emotions and so on.

Post: #9

I personally did feel apathy at first, but eventually found out I can't afford to do so, especially when the possible aftermath for apathy is worse than the issue itself *coughImpendingMartialLawcough*. Being Filipino myself and having my own biological birthparents in law enforcement during Martial Law (which the military glory hunter Anglosphere was all too happy to support) in the Philippines, being apathetic is not an option for me. At. All.

Having taken the red pill is the single biggest service I did to myself. I learned on my own when female relatives are being generous to you, it actually means they're compensating for the times they were being bitches to you (even better if you punish ungrateful female relatives in their wallets, all the while they're getting punished for riding the carousel). When single mothers are being nice to you, they know they royally screwed up on raising you. I should know: being raised in a single-mother household, the only reason why she was being nice all along was because of the fact my biological father was thirsty when he married her (he was 27, she was 30).

Just yesterday alone, my own mother was shit testing me, as she was acting like a nervous sheep. When I called her out on it, her only response was "Stop insulting me." Things got spicy when I verbally burned her with "The only reason why you told me I should be obedient was because you cost yourself a long-lasting relationship with a man by NOT being obedient yourself."

Speaking for myself, I verbally burn people.

Post: #10

No. Don't confuse awareness with efficacy.

Post: #11

(12-21-2015 08:42 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  No. Don't confuse awareness with efficacy.

Indeed. As humans, we tend to feel a need to attribute good/bad to things that exist independently of those values. Many things simply are. They may be good or bad in a given moment, but outside of that context, they simply continue to be the case irrespective of your value judgment.

Very often we feel the need to attribute a positive or negative emotion to things, even when we are dimly aware in the far recesses of our consciousnesses that the value judgment is actually empty. We do it because we believe it will help others to appreciate the annecdote, or share in a view point, or to live the experience through us in some way.

This, again, ties into a point The Lizard of Oz made in the thread about finding your passion. We are obsessed, as a species, with good and bad, happy and sad, but the majority of our time here simply Is; free from the attribution of value. From the greatest to the smallest, most of the time we simply Are. In so Being, we have the odd genuine interaction with real values - and this is why happiness is not necessarily less or more for the lowest person, compared with the most exalted - it is simply Real and no less so for being unquantifiable. This may sound nihilistic, but it is not in my view. It is the effort to maximise these moments of real emotion, of interaction with Quality, perhaps as a metaphysical truth, that in many ways define the value of a life when it comes to an end. Acceptance, without emotion, of the fact that many things simply are, allows us to search clear-mindedly for what is Good and True, and there is as much opportunity to find this in the humblest of circumstances as there is in the most glamorous.

Post: #12

I'm 22 years old, I feel the same way, so in my case, it's clearly not about age. Its about pursuing things that actually matter. Which, by the way, is totally the opposite of apathetic; you're awoken to fact that the shit that people enjoy is super trivial, that's just awareness. I'm far more enthusiastic and motivated, not to mention far more disciplined than before I discovered this community.

While my friends are excited about Star Wars and "getting so drunk for the holidays, bro!" I'm quietly building businesses, finishing courses to establish myself in my industry, reading books, crushing goals, and hitting the gym, all while fucking the random girl or two. You have to realize that 95% of people are losers, 4% are making the change to become a winner/future winners, and 1% are winners. Why would you give a fuck about what most of society preoccupies itself with because they hate their lives?

I got a snapchat from a girl today (Monday at 4:45pm) saying "why am I drinking again?! "

It took all my willpower to not respond: "because you're a loser".

You're not wasting your time on mundane activities and entertainment, you're growing as a man. Although it hurts sometimes because you can't relate to most people, when you establish relationships with winners, you will have no better feeling, mentors, and a future to look forward to.

Post: #13

I've been very apathetic since I was a kid. The idea of growing up and living in this world as an adult struck fear in my heart watching my parents. Neither of them really had all their shit together. It made me care less about my birthday and Christmas.

Besides, there are better things to focus on in life than shitty movies and politics where the most control you have is the same as piss in the wind. Those things to focus on are things you control.

Post: #14

(12-19-2015 07:32 AM)Onto Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 03:51 AM)XPQ22 Wrote:  Perhaps 8 years ago, I might have cared about the presidential election. I can't be bothered anymore. I barely even read the news. I just realized that Christmas is right around the corner - when I was younger the holidays were an exciting time for me. Now, I hardly even notice. I don't watch much TV. People are excited about the Star Wars movie...I couldn't care less. My childhood died a long time ago and I feel no need to revisit any characters from it.

Since I've been back in the dating game and dealing with all the shit that comes along with trying to have a decent sex life as a 30 something man, I've found that much of the rest of the world outside my work and my own hobbies and interests has just dropped away.

Given how female-centric I realize much of society is, I just feel alienated from it.

I felt that also in my 30's. It's a good description.

I'm not sure how much of that is 'red-pill' or just simply growing up. For example, it would be pretty silly to see a grown man in his 30's acting as giddy as a 5 year-old about Christmas and the new Star Wars movie. Yet still, you have to wonder, "Where did all the enthusiasm we used to have in our 20's go?" It's not like we tried to get rid of it, it just upped and walked out.

But maybe it's a bit of red-pill and growing up?

Another word for growing up is "awareness". It happens slowly and naturally over time, but can be sped up significantly the more we think. Reading and participating in this forum can cause that to happen. Even if you don't agree with something posted, you still read it, and so have to think about it.

Remember the days as a child we would go to our friends house, knock on their door and ask if they can come out to play? You go and run around the neighborhood throwing the football, riding your bikes or just exploring.

Those were good times. We were completely happy and content because we were very unconscious (innocent). The more we age, the more conscious (aware) we become of the world and our separation from it and the others. As a result we lose our innocence, and that's ok.

Even though most of modern day media values innocence as the most cherished and important thing in the world, it's really meant to be lost, not to be held onto. To try and do so is an effort to avoid the calling of maturity, and self-knowledge.

For your last statement, I completely understand how alienated you feel from our feminine-dominated society. Especially when every year the feminine gets more bold, more outrageous. Since there are so few who really see that, it can make us feel even more isolated and alienated.

When you gain any kind of real knowledge about something it's natural to have a Hamlet response. "To be or not to be". Real knowledge is unsettling and dangerous that way. It can feel like you're in a desert, but your mission is to keep plowing through that desert, even if takes 40 years.

Excellent post, Onto. Very true.

This is part of the reason most find it hard to make and keep friends as we get older. As we grow and become more conscious of ourselves and the world around us, we lose our innocence and become more closed off. Anxieties, inhibitions, self-criticisms, judgments, and a number of other socially learned traits of how we interact with the people and places around us will affect our perspective and behavior as we grow.

Apathy towards things that used to excite you doesn't necessarily equate to you being an apathetic person in general (unless of course... you are). Your tastes change as you get older. Maybe new sci-fi movies and Christmas doesn't get you going like it did when you were 9, but then again the idea of meeting some hot slut at a bar and bringing her back to your place to fuck her all night probably didn't tickle your fancy back then either.

It's easy to be nostalgic and look back on things you enjoyed in years past and how you can no longer get that same enjoyment from them. Roosh wrote and spoke on this topic a couple of times:

http://www.rooshv.com/the-one-thing-i-hate-about-life

http://www.rooshv.com/there-will-always-...-your-life

I used to be an avid video gamer and an artist. I used to love the culture of video gaming, building and tweaking PC's reading forums on new games and hardware, etc. I also used to draw 24/7. I was sketching and doodling non-stop and it was my favorite pastime. Now I hardly ever play games - I haven't bought a new video game in years and besides playing a couple games with friends here as a social activity, I do not play at all. I draw even less. The last thing I seriously drew was artwork for an album my band put out 2 years ago.

These are hobbies/activities that I pursued when I was younger and into my adult years and look fondly on. I do feel bad that I don't do them and often times have tried to revisit them but I just can't get enough enjoyment from it to keep me entertained.

I can look at that as apathy - but then I realize that I have replaced those hobbies and activities with new interests that I now get lots of enjoyment from. I write, play, and record music. I like to hike and mountain climb. I like to travel and see new places, meet new people, and eat new food. My tastes and interests have changed, and that is fine.

Instead of focusing on the things you don't enjoy, take a look at the things you do enjoy. Burn those to the filter or until you find new ways to enjoy them, and then allow your tastes to naturally evolve some more. As you get older you are further refining who you are and what you want out of life.

Post: #15

I would like to present this post as an addendum on my previous post: yes, post-Red Pill apathy happens, but such apathy emerges when least expected.

Speaking for myself, it's emotional apathy.

Post: #16

I do apathy very well.
I was a big fan of Alice In Chains back during the Grunge days. Still am.

Yet, perhaps instead of being constrained by trying to fit into modern society
(& I use that last word somewhat loosely),
you're more free then you could ever imagine.

"Oh, you couldn't dam that river
And maybe I don't give a damn anyway"
- Staley

Post: #17

I find that apathy does catch hold, but only towards the things in life that have to with other peoples' feelings.

Which can be good, since you won't overthink whether they'll take offense to your comment. I sometimes have this problem. They usually aren't if I just pull the trigger.

Or it can be bad, in the sense that if you were more aware of the other's internal thoughts, feelings, etc., you could connect with them better.

I find RP tends to lean heavily towards the deliberate, analytical, & individual in terms of perspective. In contrast, non-rp tends to be more spontaneous, emotional, and communal. I find both can be enjoyable.

Post: #18

Have you considered the difference between being childish and child-like?

The marketers want you to be childish; endlessly excited by a series of new baubles. But when I find something of genuine quality, something that meets the scrutiny of my adult sensibilities, I will be utterly child-like in my appreciation for it.

Post: #19

Be thankful you took it in your 30s some of us discovered it at a much older age.

I know what you mean though.
But I'm glad I know nothing about reality TV .
I don't really give a shit about sports anymore.
But I'm the sane one.
I get more satisfaction from the game from learning and seeing the matrix.
I'm seeing everyones game around me.
Travel ,training and growth.
I also feel the need to pass it on to my mates and family.
Peaks and troughs..



"Free your mind and your ass will follow" Jnr in Platoon

Post: #20

Its a natural consequence to become apathetic if you have low testosterone. You might want to do something about that.