Post: #1

The whole CMQ thing inspired me to write this. I am just floored that so many men can be so easily scammed. Books on game are fine, reading about game is fine, but shelling out hundreds of dollars for game coaching is just flat out ridiculous.

If you are some ultimate newbie, virgin, or something like this, and you have a
a thousand bucks you want to spend on quick improvement, I have a solution for you that I GURANTEE will get you laid with multiple beautiful girls and make your game better.

Go down to Mexico, and pay for a really hot hooker five nights in a row.
Talk to them after and before you fuck them. Tease them, get comfortable around girls who make you sweat with desire, and get used to being relaxed and dominant with a hot girl.

This WILL increase your ability to interact with non whores, give you some desperately needed sexual experince, and its cheaper than letting someone take your money while giving you a pep talk.


This forum is anti-pay for play wah wah wah...Im talking about freaking HUGE NEWBIES, guys who are 2ö plus and still virgins, guys who are fucking clueless. Look, you know who you are if you fit this description, and this WILL help, I promise.

You obviously dont want to make this a habit, but there is nothing evil about pay for play as long as it doesnt become "your thing". Men dont respect for the whore addicted guy with no game.

But as a kickstarter to getting some experience, it will be so much better to do this than to go to some overhyped club against guys who are way better socially than you and keep losing.

Getting a few wins under your belt, even on super easy difficulty setting, are still wins and good experience.

Post: #2

Disagree. P4P will never improve your game in anyway. There are no shit tests no LMRs no game at all. All the important obstacles that you need to experience and learn aren´t there. I´d suggest meeting people from this forum. There are many guys with great game who are willing to help you, just buy them a few drinks and have a great night.

inb4 thread gets closed

Post: #3

If less than 5 bangs or never banged an 8 - I agree 100%.

If someone took me on my 14th birthday to go bang five escorts that were 8+ of different races - yeah maybe it'd fuck me up I am not sure. I do know I would have been better with women much faster.

Pussy off pedestal immediately.

Post: #4

Thing with P4P is its addiction.
& to a newb hitting Mexico with a notch count in the negatives
If all you've ever experienced after a 5 day hooked binge.

Then you gonna cut your losses at 10pm in club.
Save on drinks etc & head straight to ye ol' brothel.

"Where everybody is a winner"

Though I get it, breaking the physical & psychological barrier of peni in va-jay-jay is huge.

But... Sport analogy.

If all you do is score in training without a goalkeeper or defenders around you hassling you.

Then when it comes to the game...
Guess what, goalkeeper, guess what, defenders.
Guess what referee.

You'll literally be left guessing.

Post: #5

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Post: #6

P4P is a short term solution and is also not a normal way to start off a sex life, but it does get your dick wet, but i don't think it is the actual solution in helping these guys.

Someone who is a virgin 25+ is in a mental rut and needs to get out of their situation asap. I would suggest therapy sessions directly about their adherence or failings with sex, be vocal about it and let it out. Write down the list of things and start working on improving. These guys mainly need a social circle and for guys to show them the way to the path of pussy.

Post: #7

1,000 approaches will do so much more for your game than anything you could do with 1,000 dollars.

Post: #8

Spend it on CBT. Seriously.

Therapy will help you deal with a lot of the fucked up beliefs you have. Eliminating them makes you a lot better with women. Trust me on that one.

Post: #9

I would say the total opposite. Don't spend a dime and go spam approach for 3 months to get over social anxieties and rejection.

As soon as you get into the pay to play scene, you may treat women as a commodity, but you will never get to a point which you "click" with real girls unless you approach and build a social IQ. One of my friends made a great point "I don't approach girls while they're working because they're being paid to be nice to you, I would rather a girl be able to tell me to fuck off right then and there on her own accord".

I will never advocate for prostitution because it isn't real success, and for me personally, that would depress me more than being a virgin.

Post: #10

Add another thousand and book a trip to the Philippines. Or Indonesia if you prefer, but Phils is easier to navigate and there's no language barrier. Follow the advice and datasheets on this forum and you will rack up at least a few notches, learn a lot about game, women, and yourself, and get a chance to experiment with different game techniques in "easy mode". For a player on a budget, I would recommend Cebu rather than Manila which is at least 30% more expensive.

Alternatively, if you speak Spanish, then Central and South America may work better.

If you follow the advice from the Frequent Flier thread and get credit cards with bonus points, you may even get your tickets for free.

Post: #11

Use it on Rosetta Stone,books, travel, anything to build your bait.

Post: #12

Mike says: if you get a windfall, don't spend it for 12 months.

That being said, frugality is for women and 1000 dollhairs is not a windfall. Not that you're saying it is.

If you really had a grand to blow, and were looking to spend it in the pursuit of pussy, I'd almost say it'd be cool to put the money on a shelf somewhere (added points if you adhere it to the wall of your living quarters with a large knife) and see how many girls you can score without touching it.

Then, after it's all gone, you'll have some awesome experiences and will have spent your 1000 dollars.

Post: #13

With 1000$

Buy some new clothes, sportcoats, designer jeans, slim fitting button ups, oxfords, a watch

Get a gym membership and hit it hard

Stop wacking off

Start taking zinc

Do one approach a day and try different night spots sprinkled with online game.

Take phenibut if you're awkward.

You'll get rejections, you'll get dates, but pretty soon you'll get a few bangs that you earned.
This will boost your confidence and eventually it becomes a habit.

Post: #14

(12-14-2015 11:52 PM)Mr Finish Wrote:  With 1000$

Buy some new clothes, sportcoats, designer jeans, slim fitting button ups, oxfords, a watch

Seems to be an ambitious goal for a $1000

Quote:Take phenibut if you're awkward.

Have you tried this? I've always been curious about it as an occasional kratom user.

Post: #15

Does OP actually know any hard-case virgins? Like guys who are 25+ and haven't banged any girls except prostitutes.

They seek out pick-up communities (like the large ones here in Australia) because they are messed up. I have met several first-hand.

They aren't normal people. They've usually had past-trauma or a very strange upbringing.
They need CBT or drugs (MDMA therapy etc) to set them straight. Not more prostitutes.

Can we remember for a second that the kind of people who throw money at bootcamps and the like as hard-case virgins aren't normal people and shouldn't be treated as such.

Prostitutes should be seen as a bit of fun for those who already know their way around a woman rather than for people who are already messed up.

It's like giving a 12 year old boy a jaegerbomb as his first drink instead of a sip of beer.

Post: #16

(12-14-2015 09:26 PM)Truth Teller Wrote:  Spend it on CBT. Seriously.

Therapy will help you deal with a lot of the fucked up beliefs you have. Eliminating them makes you a lot better with women. Trust me on that one.

What's your view on affirmations to remove negative and embedded thought-patterns?

Post: #17

(12-14-2015 11:57 PM)h3ltrsk3ltr Wrote:  

(12-14-2015 11:52 PM)Mr Finish Wrote:  With 1000$

Buy some new clothes, sportcoats, designer jeans, slim fitting button ups, oxfords, a watch

Seems to be an ambitious goal for a $1000

Quote:Take phenibut if you're awkward.

Have you tried this? I've always been curious about it as an occasional kratom user.

Nordstrom rack for the jeans, shoes, watch. Head over to a j crew outlet for the rest.

Phenibut, for me, is awesome.
On days I take it I'll easily do 20 approaches and push the interaction further than usual. On a first date\ hang out I'll make things sexualized much faster, plus if you don't like drinking you can take it at a club\bar and still have a fun time approaching with buzzed friends.

Post: #18

Best way to spend $1000 for newbies:

Buy lifetime gold 47 times.

Post: #19

(12-14-2015 11:52 PM)Mr Finish Wrote:  Do one approach a day and try different night spots sprinkled with online game.

One approach alone gets you nowhere. You can't get good at anything doing rep a day. Generally a newbie needs at least 5 approaches to warm up socially. Ten approaches per session is a good number because repetition is key and you're likely to get at least one positive response, and those are important for a newbie in order to not burn out from all the blowouts.

Post: #20

Interesting question.

Is it even possible to use a small sum of money to improve how you meet and ultimately bed real women?

With lots of money
- move to a different city or a different neighborhood
- New clothes and a personal trainer
- some mental health care? Though I'm not sure how you would find a game friendly psych.
- go to a boot camp

One weekend might give a new cat a taste, but it's like a week of personal training, you're not going to get physically fit. You probably won't know what you're doing that's inefficient or harmful.

The new guy has to push himself to find places, to actually go places, to get over his approach anxiety, to open smoothly, to transition, to verbal escalation, to asking her to comply, to physical touch, to asking the buying question, to handling rejection, but also handling success.

Good resources on game explain what, when, and why things need to be done. But overcoming the fear, one that has been programmed into you for decades, by everything that you hold dear...

I don't think money helps that, at all.

Having stacks of money or lots of fame will get a guy laid, because there are enough predatory women out there - but those crutches aren't game. And bangin lots of women through those external means doesn't even bring about relationship management skills.

Good question.

WIA

Post: #21

Firstly, the reason p4p is not encouraged on this site is it has zero, and maybe even a negative effect on your self confidence and inner game.

Nothing a hooked tells you can be relied on. So that conversation is not even worth it. It does absolutely nothing to raise your confidence except with other hookers.

As far as use for that money, nothing I can add to the gym, clothes etc. already mentioned.

In the vein of what WIA already put so eloquently, some guys do 1000s of approaches and don't get laid. Others use hookers to get laid. The former are much better off as far as being men that are improving their game. The latter just not only took the easy way out but also become much harder to help.

A broken ego is easier to fix than a sense of entitlement.

Post: #22

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Post: #23

I talked a P4P down from 70 dollars to 17 dollars and that boosted my confidence way more than a lot of bangs have

Post: #24

(12-14-2015 08:46 PM)brob Wrote:  1,000 approaches will do so much more for your game than anything you could do with 1,000 dollars.

I would add to the above, that whatever you spend $1,000 on will be of little help unless you've done the 1,000 approaches. Spending money on clothes, a gym membership etc will do nothing if you have no approach/interaction experience, and will only provide you with excuses ("I have muscles,wear nice clothes and women aren't interested.") Think of it this way: if you're out ofcollege, a couple years' workexperience will make you a more attractive candidate than a new suit.

Post: #25

Jagerbombs are great though. Beer is for the meek.

I am probably gonna get a warning but still, who cares what a hot chick say or if she means it. At point for a tough case the sex alone and banging a hot chick would do wonders.

Yeah after that initial orgy it is time to work. You all are serious lying to yourselves if you don't think that would immensely help a virgin with low self esteem off the bat.

I also recommend really shy new guys have a stiff drink or two even before a day time date to relax. No different than Easing Into the Night warming up before night game. Guys from white towers throw shit on that too but it works.