Post: #426

(12-18-2015 11:09 AM)H1N1 Wrote:  The latest advice from the UK police: 'Run, hide, tell'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35132442

If there is an attack, runaway whilst others are slaughtered, cower whilst others are slaughtered, wait for the Police whilst others are slaughtered. When the militarized Police arrive, do not do anything other than cower in front of them in case they feel obliged to shoot you. These guys have guns, but may not be able to tell the difference between an unarmed store clerk and a terrorist. Anyone else filled with confidence at this rousing example of a proud and defiant people capable of protecting themselves and those around them from enemies who would seek to deprive them of those freedoms?

It's particularly annoying that the UK police are preaching this right at the moment when the US authorities have -- very correctly -- concluded that a passive approach is ineffective and are encouraging companies to train workers to try to confront, distract, and overpower an active shooter:

Active-shooter training for office workers used to be about hiding. Not anymore.

Quote:Spooked by a year of high-profile rampages, hundreds of companies and organizations like NeighborWorks are racing to train their workers how to react to a shooter in their workplaces. And after decades of telling employees to lock down and shelter in place, they are teaching them to fight back if evacuating is not an option.

The idea: Work as a team to disrupt and confuse shooters, opening up a split second to take them down.

The paradigm shift in response — from passive to active — has been endorsed and promoted by the Department of Homeland Security. Last month, it recommended that federal workplaces adopt a training program called “Run, Hide, Fight,” which it helped develop. D.C. Police Chief Cathy Lanier used the same phrase on a recent episode of “60 Minutes.”

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At NeighborWorks, almost three dozen employees were taught to throw things at a shooter — chairs, books, purses, pens, phones, anything — and swarm. Those items don’t seem all that threatening compared with an AR-15, but that’s not the point.

“If you can move him from offense to defense, you have changed the outcome of the event,” said Greg Crane, a former SWAT officer whose company, the ALICE Institute, trained workers at NeighborWorks as well as Facebook and Apple. “He’s thinking about what you are doing to him, not what he’s doing to you. Mentally, he’s going through a whole different process.”

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For many people, the idea of confronting a mass shooter is new and totally startling. But Lanier and security professionals say they are pushing that response for a couple of reasons. For one, it works. An FBI study of active shooter events from 2000 to 2013 found that 13 percent of the incidents were stopped “after unarmed citizens safely and successfully restrained the shooter.” The other reason: With most shooting rampages ending before police arrive, what other option is there?

“If you’re passive in the face of extreme violence,” Crane said, “you’re going to get hurt.”

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To build up the confidence to go after a killer, the trainers offer historical examples of when it has worked.

Just this summer, three unarmed friends on a train headed for Paris tackled a suspected Islamist militant about to attack hundreds of passengers with guns. The shooting of then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) in 2011 was stopped by unarmed citizens, including a 74-year-old man and a 61-year-old woman.

One of Crane’s favorite examples is Jacob Ryker, who in 1998, on his 17th birthday, tackled a gunman at his Oregon high school — after being shot in the lung. Afterward, his mother said, “He knew he had to tackle the guy or other people would be killed.”

That didn’t happen at Virginia Tech, where Seung Hui Cho killed 32 students and teachers on campus in 2007. He stopped to reload his guns more than a dozen times.

“He wasn’t impeded in any way,” Crane said. “His victims were uninformed. That’s not their fault. We let this protocol of lockdown become a national standard.”

In short, after many years of idiotically instructing people to "shelter in place" as if that helps anyone, the DHS is finally offering the obvious common sense advice that if you can't run away, your best chance is to act and try to disrupt a shooter in some way, to throw any objects that come to hand to distract his attention and give others the chance to restrain and overpower him.

The whole article is interesting and worth reading -- including, perhaps, by the UK police.

Post: #427

^ Eventually, after a few hundred thousand more are killed, they'll come up with the brilliant plan of having people carrying weapons to defend themselves.

Post: #428

(12-19-2015 07:51 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Eventually, after a few hundred thousand more are killed

You mean like that time when a couple of Arab guys went out with AK-47s and before anyone noticed gunned down the entire population of Minneapolis?

Post: #429

(12-19-2015 08:03 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(12-19-2015 07:51 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Eventually, after a few hundred thousand more are killed

You mean like that time when a couple of Arab guys went out with AK-47s and before anyone noticed gunned down the entire population of Minneapolis?

Sadly, I can't imagine anything less working to fix a pozzed out country like Britain.

Post: #430

I'm pretty sure the pacifist measures employed by those people in the Paris concert hall made the outcome that much better for themselves. Lots of them were found cowering in a dressing room and were executed one by one.

How nice of the authorities to gloss over those details. "Run, hide, tell"

Run

- Only useful if you have somewhere to run to
- Useful if the gunman is shooting anywhere but where you want to run
- Useful if you know 100% they will not see you, run after you and shoot you
- Useful if you're not caught up in the crowd

Hide

- 80+ people hid and were executed like animals

Tell

- Pretty sure gunfire and screaming people tells people outside of the immediate area there is something wrong


So yeah, do exactly the opposite of what the authorities tell you. If you can stem the cold hand of fear running up your back and into your heart, grab something dense and throw it at the cunts head.

Post: #431

Quote:At NeighborWorks, almost three dozen employees were taught to throw things at a shooter — chairs, books, purses, pens, phones, anything — and swarm.

Reminds me of this:

Post: #432

I can't believe this is real life..it has to be satire..just has to be.

Trying to beam someone with canned corn while they have a gun is a bad idea.

I'm pretty sure even a fatass piece of shit with a gun can squeeze off multiple shots in the time it takes for children with tiny arms to hurl canned food items at someone.

Post: #433

(12-20-2015 03:18 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  I can't believe this is real life..it has to be satire..just has to be.

Trying to beam someone with canned corn while they have a gun is a bad idea.

I'm pretty sure even a fatass piece of shit with a gun can squeeze off multiple shots in the time it takes for children with tiny arms to hurl canned food items at someone.

...perhaps they are expecting the terrorists to engage a class of former Chinese opera students?

Post: #434

Another Shooting.

"Two adults are dead and two students remain hospitalized in critical condition after a shooting Monday morning in an apparent murder-suicide inside a San Bernardino, California elementary school classroom."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.nbclosang...%3Famp%3Dy

Post: #435

News is saying murder-suicide. Male shooter and female victim in some form of a relationship. The rest is the standard "We know almost nothing about what happened but very short stories look bad" filler nonsense with pictures of cops and kids.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me...story.html

Post: #436

Sorry to Tweet Buzzfeed, but here you go.