Post: #26

(07-24-2011 09:25 AM)Zen Wrote:  

(07-24-2011 01:23 AM)farka Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 10:31 PM)Zen Wrote:  Personally, my game improves abroad in cities ranging from Bucharest to Lima. I'm usually knee-deep in pussy whenever I leave the states - doesn't matter if the tail is EE, Latina or Asian. As I'm of Korean descent, I actually find it works to my advantage, its only in the states where all East Asians are judged singularly as one.

In the US, I'm more or less celibate (but that's due to personal preferences).

How is it an advantage in areas outside the U.S? Would it be an advantage in places such the Middle East?

It would help in Turkey. Otherwise, anywhere else I would not recommend the middle East.

The advantage is due to the Korean wave of dramas and KPop, and the position of Korean conglomerates aggressively marketing themselves into the developing world.

Why Turkey? I'm curious how exactly have these korean conglomerates managed to market themselves and how successful have they been so far? How do you know this information about Turkey? Are these girls that go for Asians a minority, like the minority of white girls that are into anime and manga in the U.S?

Post: #27

Asian guys don't really have that big of a disadvantage as they think they do. Its all a matter of style that makes you stand out from the thousands of Asian worker drones.

Once you develop that style you'll stand out anywhere and catch attention. Just have an unique style that doesn't suggest you're a nerd.
Same goes with Indian guys.

Post: #28

(07-24-2011 09:21 AM)Zen Wrote:  

(07-24-2011 01:32 AM)georgec Wrote:  

(07-23-2011 10:31 PM)Zen Wrote:  Personally, my game improves abroad in cities ranging from Bucharest to Lima. I'm usually knee-deep in pussy whenever I leave the states - doesn't matter if the tail is EE, Latina or Asian. As I'm of Korean descent, I actually find it works to my advantage, its only in the states where all East Asians are judged singularly as one.

In the US, I'm more or less celibate (but that's due to personal preferences).

The one place I know in the world where East Asian guys are preferred to white guys - although a white guy with good game can still clean up quite nicely - is Thailand.

Then, you haven't explored the world much. In almost all Asian countries, perhaps with the exception of the Philipines, any girl that isn't straight up impoverished "usually" prefers Asian guys to white guys.

Quote:Even in most Asian countries a white guys is preferred to East Asian guys from other countries. For instance in Japan a white guy does better than a Chinese guy.

Obviously, a Chinese guy won't do well in Japan. The Japanese are racist against the Chinese and look down upon them like cockroaches. My Korean boys in Tokyo will tell you a much different story. Not all Asians = Chinese buddy.

Quote:Not so in Thailand. In Thailand Korean and Japanese and Chinese guys are lionized and sought after in a way that simply doesnt happen to white guys. I always advise Asian friends in need of an ego boost to visit Thailand. The girls may not be the hottest in the world but an ego boost of such magnitude is not to be lightly passed over.

There are many other countries in the region where Asian dudes hailing from the East are received way better than Whites.

Quote:Asian guys definitely do worst in ALL anglo-saxon countries, for some reason. Continental Europe is MUCH better, especially France, although not quite Asian heaven, and some Eastern European countries are better still. Within America, I have seen some extremely pretty girls with Asian guys in Los Angeles and Manhattan, but it is rare enough that each time I see it it leaves an impression.

EDIT: Misread the quote.

*sigh* Ive partied hard in every single Asian country. The only country that prefer East Asian guys is Thailand. Korean guys do worse much than white guys in Japan (possibly even worse than black guys, but Im not positive about that. Maybe equal). Trust me. Pretty much the pattern is for each Asian country to prefer their own men first (although this is not uniform. Doubtful in the case of Japan and not very strong in China, Singapore,Taiwan), to disfavour ALL other Asian men, and to favor white men.

Thailand is the only country in the region to break the pattern - but if you wish to believe otherwise, I certainly wont be the one to stop you. Im just putting the truth out there for prospective Asians who wish to travel. People are free to decide for themselves.

And while there is considerable difference in white countries in how they receive Asians, and while this is hugely important to note, its also important to note that in no white country is the reception for Asians equal to white guys or similar to what Asians might experience in Thailand.

I think every East Asian owes it to himself to go to Thailand at least ONCE.

Post: #29

Reppin Pakistan and Persia over here. I think that many people have highlighted the most important point here: Why do you do what you need to do and not worry about how your RACE is perceived as? Instead of starting threads about how asians or Indians are treated like this or that, hit the gym, get some custom suits, and develop that confidence....watch the chicas come at you.

If I start thinking that negative bullshit I'd be like oh no she'll think I'm terrorist (persian side) or a raghead (Pakistani side) but I say fuck it. Bitches be calling me anything from Spanish to Italian to Arab to Indian at first...no hate towards anyone, but I got pride in who I am and I post up with that swag. I get it in and then let them know whats up.

Right now I am actively OFF white chicks from the US, that was too easy in da Bean. Turning up the heat on the Asians, Latinas..banged this fine Argentinian earlier in the week before shacking up with the Asian babydoll over the weekend. Trust me, stop limiting yourself and get some booty.

Post: #30

I don't like the spread of misinformation, so I'd just like to point out and say georgec has no idea what he's talking about.

Post: #31

(07-24-2011 02:53 PM)Zen Wrote:  I don't like the spread of misinformation, so I'd just like to point out and say georgec has no idea what he's talking about. He's a clown, and a lying one at that.

Easy there big guy, were all entitled to an opinion. First rule of game - you cant sweat the little stuff. Personal insults=bitter loser with little confidence in his opinions. What I think doesnt matter - just shrug it off.

Post: #32

(07-24-2011 02:53 PM)Zen Wrote:  I don't like the spread of misinformation, so I'd just like to point out and say georgec has no idea what he's talking about.

Thank you, thats better. Im glad to see you can take advice.

Post: #33

edit: okay

Post: #34

georgec Wrote:I always advise Asian friends in need of an ego boost to visit Thailand. The girls may not be the hottest in the world but an ego boost of such magnitude is not to be lightly passed over.

A(n) (Asian) guy who needs this kind of ego boost is in need of serious help.

The Thai women rank as one of the lowest and cheapest in the global human female species echelon. Why would you want that?

Focus on boosting your game in the most hostile environment. Why go for anything less than the utmost challenge?

AJ Wrote:"I've seen you before", "hey it's bruce lee!", "you're asian so you must do [...]"

Exploit them.

Comment: "I've seen you before"
Reply: I know, I'm famous. Keep staring at me. / What? Have you been stalking on me?

Comment: "hey it's bruce lee!"
Reply: "hey! do you want me to kick your ass?"

Comment: "you're asian so you must do [...]"
Reply: I am fucking awesome. I mean, feel free to worship me or something.

Feed the mass what you want them to think. People do not deserve to have more ideas than you feed them.

Rise to the occasion: If a challenge calls you, you answer the call and incinerate it. Other people are (always) in trouble: Focus on providing service to others instead of being mired in your own. Be a greater human being.

Quote:what people don't realize is that this is partly a byproduct of the US only selecting asian nerd parents (PhDs, MDs, Engineers) to live in the US. Nerd parents beget nerd kids.

I seriously doubt the Asian sports players, celebrities, and so on are cool. Sadly, I'm yet to come across a 'cool' Asian, living or dead. If you ain't leading and pioneering, you ain't cool.

Even being a scientist, engineer, or technologist can be cool: No Asian pull it off (yet), however.

This is hardly a news. From a practical stand point of view, as the U.S. needs more engineers and scientists, the only Asians that should be allowed into the U.S. are exactly those types. Heck, if I wanted a lot of Asians, I can go to Asia. Aren't there some 2 billion of them there?
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georgec's comments are brutally honest and objective. The Asian men, as a male species, have failed. and I don't see a major fix coming anytime soon. If you're an Asian dude in the Anglosphere, focus on improving yourself and making positive contributions to your race, rather than hoping for the others in Asian countries to pull you up--that ain't going to happen.

Everything is up to you. Everything.

Post: #35

You people think way too much about race. Goddamn.

If you're asian and actually believe it to be such a huge hinderance, lift weights and learn game. Then come back to me in a year and tell me that being asian is such a huge handicap.

Post: #36

Read this whole thread and here are some thoughts:

If you need to scour the internet to gather intel and judge your own attractiveness based on that, you are a faggot.

If you let your race become a limiting factor, you are a faggot.

If you feel the need to prove that your race is superior when it comes to game, you are a faggot.

If you rely on a race-based collectivist philosophy to gauge your self-worth, you are a faggot.

If you feel the need to prove "you are different than the others" to get attraction, you are a faggot.

If you read what others post and cannot separate opinion and personal observation from objective truth and you let those things alter your self-worth, you are a faggot.

So please: Stop being faggots and man up.

Post: #37

I've personally always seen asians as being cool. I didn't grow up in a huge Asian community so my only concept was from the movies i.e Bruce Lee and Odd Job. Bruce Lee didn't look like no punk. He was a man you did not want to fcuk with.

All this talk about asians being perceived as this and that, why don't you hang out with Caribbean or real hip hop Asians? There is a shop that I buy Caribbean groceries from at times and it is owned by a Chinese-Jamaican. Chinese parents but born and bred in Jamaica.
However, his swag is totally different from the 'typical' Asians because he is born and bred in Jamaica and from my encounters with all Jamaicans I have met, whether they black, white or green, is that you gotta swag up or get submerged there.
There doesn't seem to be the same level of molly cuddling you get in Canada, America etc.

Also, I've noticed that Filipino guys (especially the ones from Scarborough) have a lot of swag also.
They bag all sorts of chicks too, white, black etc.

Realise that many women have a curiosity. If you can overcome that curiosity and give them a good bang, you've effectively penetrated that group (figuratively and literally).

I realise that sometimes it can be discouraging being perceived as a dweeb (sheet, I've been to some clubs and I couldn't secure a woman for the love of money).
However, like one poster said, find your niche. If you feel down at times, find a community of Asians with mad swag.

There are plenty of them in the U.S. What with the hip hop culture, I'm seeing a lot of Asians that are feeling themselves and coming up with major swag.

Refuel in your niche group and then come back out and brave the wolves.

People talk about blacks having it easy but blacks have had to fight for that swag. Due to carefully designed propaganda, the blacks have been perceived as the lowest common denominator but blacks have had to swag themselves right back to the top.

Everyone wants to look at the now, no one sees the struggle in between.

I don't know about Latin males history but I imagine they weren't very well perceived initially.

Look at Roosh. He doesn't fit the 'ideal' look of being blonde with blue eyes and yet the dude slays lizards and piglets consistently.

Post: #38

Moma is right 100% I have a friend from Vietnam who has mad swag, tells Asian jokes like crazy and pulls ANY race of fine women at will.
When he comes out with us he is considered an asset and you know there will be women gravitating to us just because of him.

He loves the stereotypes and uses them to his advantage.
like this:

VD (vietdude): Hey girl, Where did you get that shirt?

Girl: What?

VD: My moms used to work at that place!

Girl: What place? The mall?

VD:No. The factory. You want to sit with us?

Girl: With who?

VD: I have to help that girl over there with her math homework in a few minutes.. Lets have a drink real quick.

Girl : ok

Post: #39

Haha el mechanico --> I'm stealing that Viet clothes line. If you have any others keep em coming.

(07-28-2011 06:44 PM)Adventure21c Wrote:  

AJ Wrote:"I've seen you before", "hey it's bruce lee!", "you're asian so you must do [...]"

Exploit them.

Comment: "hey it's bruce lee!"
Reply: "hey! do you want me to kick your ass?"

I know you mean well but I find being angry/threatening doesn't work too well. Humor I find is the best approach perhaps veering into firmness depending on the intent of the person.


Alright you bastards this is like catnip for me. I'll try to make a couple of points and then try to leave this alone. Pondering *too* much over race is a waste of time.

(07-29-2011 08:52 AM)Moma Wrote:  All this talk about asians being perceived as this and that, why don't you hang out with Caribbean or real hip hop Asians? There is a shop that I buy Caribbean groceries from at times and it is owned by a Chinese-Jamaican. Chinese parents but born and bred in Jamaica.

Also, I've noticed that Filipino guys (especially the ones from Scarborough) have a lot of swag also.

(07-28-2011 06:44 PM)Adventure21c Wrote:  

Quote:what people don't realize is that this is partly a byproduct of the US only selecting asian nerd parents (PhDs, MDs, Engineers) to live in the US. Nerd parents beget nerd kids.

This is hardly a news.

Point 1

Again to some degree I believe the different immigration policies of the US and Canada are partly responsible for this. Canada decided to be lax with immigration and let in a wide range of people and so the 2nd gen asian culture in Toronto is really different from most of the US. For instance, in Toronto the smart asian stereotype doesn't hold as much weight as in the US. The smart kids in Toronto tend to be somewhat more random in ethnicity be it eastern european, persian, indian, etc.. Likewise, the dumb kids will also be somewhat more random than the US. What I'm getting at is that there is more diversity (Jamaican asians, etc..) in Toronto and that mitigates stereotypes. I feel this is important for individuals oh say... our indian troll friend that have lived only in one area and aren't aware that stereotypes are less of a problem in other cities/countries due to historical factors.

Point 2: Giving advice
Although it seems like most of the posts on this topic were well intentioned and well thought out (go lift, get style, stop being a faggot) if you're not asian, due to no fault of yours, it's hard to impart the whole story. I've seen well dressed asians/jacked asians just sitting in the corner of the bar. Although the general gist of the advice is accurate, some subtleties need to be explained.

For instance, if you ask Brad Pitt how to bag women he'll simply say go talk to them. The gist is accurate, you do need to talk to women, but he has such a large margin of error whereas an average guy needs to learn tricks and find a tailor fitted game and so this is somewhat the case with those of us that are minorities.

The biggest thing I can impart to Asians (2nd gen and otherwise) is - learn to swim in "white/Western" culture. Hang out with jocks in HS, live with frat guys in college, expand your circle of friends so that you learn how to weave in and out of cultures - if you don't learn it, this will be your biggest hindrance. There are slight differences in mannerisms and culture that you will be expected to learn if you expect to interact with mainstream women. The onus is on you to learn their culture rather than the other way around. The most successful asian guys I've seen have this down pat.

Point 3: stereotypes

So the last point is, as a minority the large initial resistance that is encountered when dealing with either men or women is mostly due to stereotypes.

When you do not fit in the mainstream stereotype it is always 2-3x hard to break that image in someones mind. How hard does a black college kid in the ivies have to work to show that he isn't a beneficiary of affirmative action? How hard does a woman have to work in the boardroom to show that she is tough? How hard does an asian basketball player need to play to show that he isn't typical?

So the problem comes down to (1) how much time you have to get to know the other person (2) how much effort do you have to put in. If you are on an island with the other person they will eventually get to know the "real you" even if the dude was racist to begin with. If you have 2min you better bring your A-game and hope the "real you" is someone worth knowing.

When you start thinking like this you start asking different questions

Exhibit A

(07-28-2011 06:44 PM)Adventure21c Wrote:  I seriously doubt the Asian sports players, celebrities, and so on are cool. Sadly, I'm yet to come across a 'cool' Asian, living or dead.

Instead of thinking in binary terms - he hates asians or not, I think "How long would I have to hang out with this guy in order for him to form a positive opinion of me given his slight bias?"

And so the same problem transfers over for girls.

Assanova has a similar post. Again the problem seems to be overcoming the initial hurdle.

Post: #40

(07-31-2011 10:27 PM)AJ Wrote:  

(07-28-2011 06:44 PM)Adventure21c Wrote:  

AJ Wrote:"I've seen you before", "hey it's bruce lee!", "you're asian so you must do [...]"

Exploit them.

Comment: "hey it's bruce lee!"
Reply: "hey! do you want me to kick your ass?"

I know you mean well but I find being angry/threatening doesn't work too well. Humor I find is the best approach perhaps veering into firmness depending on the intent of the person.

My intention is misunderstood. I'm rather surprised that you'd even think of that as angry/threatening approach.

Getting angry over a pointless comment as "hey it's bruce lee!" is not only out of my imagination, but I think it's retarded. "hey! do you want me to kick your ass?" is something that should be delivered humorously, as a banter, but subtly showing that you have the upper hand and you're the one in control. Or indifferently as if you don't give a shit about the person. No more than a subliminal mental programming behind the facade of humor.

I'm reading between lines, but sounds like you've been angry about being Asian in a western society on more than one occasion. I've never felt that way, getting angry is a bit out of my reflexive responsive.

To me personally, the ways the Asians think are pretty amusing. Too sensitive, too clueless, too limited, too reluctant, too meek, and often too scared. Not trying to offend, just pointing out a source of the problem.

Check out this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAsianLoverShow. I think he is the typical of the Asian-American male--been angry, still trying hard, not quitting, don't wanna risk and sacrifice too hard, and frankly still average with minor admirable traits. The truth is, you'll have to cut way above the average for exceptional success in any endeavor no matter who you are, and dating and sex is no exception. Even within the Asian societies, there are many losers and few winners: it isn't particularly easy elsewhere--those who excel take all and very few does it.

Know that you have the power to direct other people's perception and use it, although it'll take a lot of work and you'll have to be able to back it up. If you sit back and just take what's given, you'll just take shit.

Even when the odds are against you, there are still opportunities. Exploit them without apology and hesitation.

AJ Wrote:Pondering *too* much over race is a waste of time.

I beg to differ. That line of reasoning is precisely wrong. When there's a problem, you never cease thinking about it and tackling it until it is completely solved--no matter what distance you must go for the total solution.

(07-31-2011 10:27 PM)AJ Wrote:  

(07-28-2011 06:44 PM)Adventure21c Wrote:  

Quote:what people don't realize is that this is partly a byproduct of the US only selecting asian nerd parents (PhDs, MDs, Engineers) to live in the US. Nerd parents beget nerd kids.

This is hardly a news.

Point 1

Again to some degree I believe the different immigration policies of the US and Canada are partly responsible for this.

Hands down, it doesn't have anything to do with the immigration policy. I've never seen a cool Asian anywhere, past and present, in Asia or in the West. The problem is in the Asians themselves.

The paramount and most debilitating problem with the Asians is that it's just not a culture and people based on leadership and pioneering. Harmony, tradition, respecting turds and losers, and ever slight gradual improvement--the cornerstones of Confusionism is pan East-Asiatic, and it's been the de-facto social standard for two millennia. This is why East Asia so successfully established itself as the West's economic beta, deeply revering the West for its apparent and inherent superiority.

In the West, where the ability to pioneer and lead is cherished and valued the most, the Asians seemingly are polar opposite of that, condemning and persecuting those who stand out and disobey the norm. That led to the Asians having been culturally, militarily, economically, politically, technologically, and even genetically conquered by the West in the past 200 years--they got what they deserved, and I'm not a bit sorry for it. If they continue to fuck it up, well, let them continue to suffer and get the leftovers on their plates--and it looks like they'll stay that way for quite some time.

Overcoming that collective perception and projection of inferiority would obviously require some work on individual level, and herculean work at collective level. The Asians caused this problem themselves.

It's not an immigration policy problem. It's the Asian problem--they have failed. there is no cool Asian, especially man, either in Asia or in the West, past or present. Period. Name one world-class Asian leader in any field. Mao Tse-Dong? He's a joke. World-class Asian sports player? None. World-class Asian entertainer? None. The list goes on in every field. Name one global Asian household name: there isn't one and there never was. I can't name a single admirable Asian: They all seem like a big clueless joke to me. Why do you think that is? If you're Asian, then you're a part of the problem. Get to fixing the problem: You. Until the Asians pioneer the future and take the humanity forward as a collective human unit, and get to the top of the humanity echelon, the perception of the Asian Inferiority isn't going to go away--the beta and the omega are always inferior to the alpha, and every human being instinctually knows that. Knowing the Asians, I'm not expecting this Asian Inferiority Complex to go away frankly however.

AJ Wrote:The biggest thing I can impart to Asians (2nd gen and otherwise) is - learn to swim in "white/Western" culture. Hang out with jocks in HS, live with frat guys in college, expand your circle of friends so that you learn how to weave in and out of cultures - if you don't learn it, this will be your biggest hindrance. There are slight differences in mannerisms and culture that you will be expected to learn if you expect to interact with mainstream women. The onus is on you to learn their culture rather than the other way around. The most successful asian guys I've seen have this down pat.

Half-cooked advice, even poisonous. This will make you no more than a white-wannabe, which creates problems of its own. The only tactic that can work out in the end is to learn the other culture and even surpass that in your own ways. A loser's game is tougher, but that's the reality.

(07-31-2011 10:27 PM)AJ Wrote:  

(07-28-2011 06:44 PM)Adventure21c Wrote:  I seriously doubt the Asian sports players, celebrities, and so on are cool. Sadly, I'm yet to come across a 'cool' Asian, living or dead.

Instead of thinking in binary terms - he hates asians or not, I think "How long would I have to hang out with this guy in order for him to form a positive opinion of me given his slight bias?"

And so the same problem transfers over for girls.

Why do you even bother whether someone hates your or not? Believe me, even in the most homogeneous society, more than half the people hate you--you just can't be liked by everyone.

Seeking approval will do you no good.

It seems to me you're just greatly bothered by being Asian and very concerned about fitting in or accepted. Why is being hated even a concern? If you take action, you WILL get hated by some. If I'd give an advise to you or any other Asians in the West, I'd say don't give a fuck and exploit the intricacies of the humanity. The fact of life is, your value gets attached to your face, not the other way around. Now, work on attaching the positive and desirable qualities to your face instead of lamenting about the lack thereof. Work to possess and project those values desirable and worthwhile to human. Those who are at the top have earned it: If you want that, earn it yourself.

Again, this is the Asian problem--stop diverting the attention elsewhere. You're in the lot you're in precisely because of your own actions and your ancestors's actions and your people's actions. The problem as well as the fix is in you.

Possess the desirable values and project them without apology.

Focus on paving the future. Lead. Nothing else really matters.

Post: #41

Adventure, you are being an asshole.

Post: #42

(08-01-2011 02:05 PM)Adventure21c Wrote:  It's the Asian problem--they have failed. there is no cool Asian, especially man, either in Asia or in the West, past or present. Period. Name one world-class Asian leader in any field. Mao Tse-Dong? He's a joke. World-class Asian sports player? None. World-class Asian entertainer? None. The list goes on in every field. Name one global Asian household name: there isn't one and there never was. I can't name a single admirable Asian: They all seem like a big clueless joke to me.

Do you ever read the news? How about history?

And for a forum that generally holds Asia for travel and asian girls in high regard in general you are really barking up the wrong tree.

Post: #43

(08-01-2011 02:05 PM)Adventure21c Wrote:  there is no cool Asian, especially man, either in Asia or in the West, past or present. Period. Name one world-class Asian leader in any field. Mao Tse-Dong? He's a joke. World-class Asian sports player? None. World-class Asian entertainer? None. The list goes on in every field. Name one global Asian household name: there isn't one and there never was.

Is this a joke I just don't get?

"Leader in any field" - Kiichiro Toyoda

"Sports Player" - Manny Pacquiao

"World Class Asian Entertainer" - Jackie Chan

"Name one global household name" - Well all ready mentioned Toyota, so Honda.

So there's all this other nonsense in this thread about Asians being bad with women. There is one group of girls that Asian dudes do better with than anyone on the planet: ASIAN GIRLS. There are a massive amount of Asian girls that won't even look at a guy if he isn't Asian? Do you guys not know about this?

Asian people just do things differently than you, and that includes picking up girls.

Maybe the Asian guys you guys see trying to pick up women aren't bad at it at all. Imagine if you'd grown up in Tokyo then you head to the USA for college. You get off the plane, look around, and right away notice that the women all outweigh you by 70 pounds??

Of course you're going to be goofy when you approach them, because you grew up in Tokyo, where fat people get laughed at.

Aloha!

Post: #44

Adventure is asian? Must have sucked growing up and hating yourself.

Name one Asian household name? Did Bruce Lee, the most obvious of all answers, not spring up in your head when you were typing that question out? Or are you going to claim that he's a nobody and a loser and that you're 10x the man he is?

Athletes? Ichiro? Yao Ming? Pacquiao? Come on man, you're either a troll, or you really are clueless.

Post: #45

(08-01-2011 10:57 PM)MVolt Wrote:  Adventure is asian? .

Oh hell look at that... I thought about it when he said "sports players" instead of athletes. Then I hit his profile.

Why would he write all that stuff?

Yo Adventure21c, are you ok buddy?

당신은 음식이 있었?

Aloha!

Post: #46

(08-01-2011 10:57 PM)MVolt Wrote:  Adventure is asian? .

Man oh man... I really hope that isn't true.

I swear. America *can* really fuck up asians. I keep seeing this happen and to be honest it kind of pains me. BASICALLY NEVER saw this outside the US (only 1 girl).

(08-01-2011 11:16 PM)Kona Wrote:  So there's all this other nonsense in this thread about Asians being bad with women. There is one group of girls that Asian dudes do better with than anyone on the planet: ASIAN GIRLS. There are a massive amount of Asian girls that won't even look at a guy if he isn't Asian? Do you guys not know about this?

Yea I was taking knowledge about this for granted. 90% of the time you will have first dibs on asian girls IF you have your act together. I decided to offer my opinion to others if they wanted to diversify which may be necessary if you live somewhere like Indianapolis, Detroit, Cleveland, etc. etc...

Besides, dating other cultures is fun.

Learning how to navigate other cultures also helps for general social interactions like business etc... <- this is probably the largest benefit. I just love myself all colors and races. Makes life interesting.

Post: #47

(08-01-2011 06:38 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(08-01-2011 02:05 PM)Adventure21c Wrote:  there is no cool Asian, especially man, either in Asia or in the West, past or present. Period. Name one world-class Asian leader in any field. Mao Tse-Dong? He's a joke. World-class Asian sports player? None. World-class Asian entertainer? None. The list goes on in every field. Name one global Asian household name: there isn't one and there never was.

Is this a joke I just don't get?

"Leader in any field" - Kiichiro Toyoda

"Sports Player" - Manny Pacquiao

"World Class Asian Entertainer" - Jackie Chan

"Name one global household name" - Well all ready mentioned Toyota, so Honda.

So there's all this other nonsense in this thread about Asians being bad with women. There is one group of girls that Asian dudes do better with than anyone on the planet: ASIAN GIRLS. There are a massive amount of Asian girls that won't even look at a guy if he isn't Asian? Do you guys not know about this?

Asian people just do things differently than you, and that includes picking up girls.

Maybe the Asian guys you guys see trying to pick up women aren't bad at it at all. Imagine if you'd grown up in Tokyo then you head to the USA for college. You get off the plane, look around, and right away notice that the women all outweigh you by 70 pounds??

Of course you're going to be goofy when you approach them, because you grew up in Tokyo, where fat people get laughed at.

Aloha!

Too bad Asian girls in US and Canada are usually not that good looking.
I feel bad for Asian guys in Toronto, they are dating girls who are 2s,3s, or 4s. In Asia they'd be dating 7s, 8s or 9s.

Thats why all my Asian pickup friends go for white girls. Asian girls in Toronto are not beautiful at all. I have seem them do hundreds of approaches and I don't even remember them approaching an Asian girl ever.

Of course this just results in more competition for the few white or latina girls that aren't fat or ugly.

Post: #48

My God, way too many replies to a single comment.

(08-01-2011 02:10 PM)torontokid Wrote:  Adventure, you are being an asshole.

No, I'm spending my time to do the favor and point out what the underlying problems are. Frankly, A dirty work nobody is willing or trying to do, nor is worth my time.

(08-01-2011 02:33 PM)Vicious Wrote:  

(08-01-2011 02:05 PM)Adventure21c Wrote:  It's the Asian problem--they have failed. there is no cool Asian, especially man, either in Asia or in the West, past or present. Period. Name one world-class Asian leader in any field. Mao Tse-Dong? He's a joke. World-class Asian sports player? None. World-class Asian entertainer? None. The list goes on in every field. Name one global Asian household name: there isn't one and there never was. I can't name a single admirable Asian: They all seem like a big clueless joke to me.

Do you ever read the news? How about history?

And for a forum that generally holds Asia for travel and asian girls in high regard in general you are really barking up the wrong tree.

Is this a joke? Since obviously you haven't studied the Asian history in-depth, why do you even raise the question?

That comment sums up precisely the problem that's been mentioned over and over about the Asian men in the West: that their women are in greater favor by men of other races than Asian men being in favor by the women of other races.

Why do you point out that the Asian women are desirable? They are. This is about the Asian men.

Kona Wrote:Is this a joke I just don't get?

"Leader in any field" - Kiichiro Toyoda

"Sports Player" - Manny Pacquiao

"World Class Asian Entertainer" - Jackie Chan

"Name one global household name" - Well all ready mentioned Toyota, so Honda.

I should've been more careful in phrasing: "Name one Asian man who is a global sex symbol, desired by women of all races."

The fact is, a select group of western or white men can be a global sex symbol, having clout even in Asia and elsewhere. Truthfully, there's no Asian man who has that--at least not yet.

MVolt Wrote:Adventure is asian? Must have sucked growing up and hating yourself.

This is the typical retarded response by idiots when a problem has been pointed out.

MVolt Wrote:Name one Asian household name? Did Bruce Lee, the most obvious of all answers,

It is indeed the sad part that Bruce Lee is the best thing there is. Dead for 50 years, hardly a global sex symbol. Give me a break, a movie actor is hardly admirable in any sense or fashion, regardless of race.

MVolt Wrote:Athletes? Ichiro? Yao Ming? Pacquiao?

Maybe they are your definition of cool, but to me they are just athletes. It's beyond me why athletes of any race should be considered cool. They play sports for money--why is that cool? Cool is the men who pay the athletes and run the show. Name one Asian Man who runs the show at the absolute top--none.

kona Wrote:There is one group of girls that Asian dudes do better with than anyone on the planet: ASIAN GIRLS.

This is so obvious, I'm not sure why it's even brought up. I think the focus here is more on the interracial dating for the Asian Men.

AJ Wrote:Man oh man... I really hope that isn't true.

I sincerely hope and pray to God that you aren't really Asian, certainly not East Asian. If you are, you're a disgrace to my kind. Certainly no Asian like you contributed in earning whatever ounce of respect Asia and the Asians have nowadays globally.

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To a degree of extent, I always thought that the notion of the Asian men in America or any other Western nation being disadvantaged in dating nowadays was a bit of half truth. Why? Because I've seen more successes in that area than failures. Then again, there are always a group of voices that say how bad the Asian men have it in America. Look at AJ's comments, for example.

My point is simple:

In every aspect, the West has conquered the Asia in the past 200 years or so. Not only Asia, but the world as well.

An entire Asian race was exterminated by the West--the American Indians. The Southeast Asian nations were colonies of the Western Europe, the British militarily conquered China twice in the Opium Wars to force feed opium to the Chinese populace. America opened up Japan by force for its benefit, then America A-bombed Japan. East Asia rose to global economic beta by following the trails paved by the West. East Asia's success in the global stage, frankly, was in successfully 'westernizing' itself--Japan, South Korea, China, all the same.

Ask yourself: If the history has happened the other way, that Asia had conquered the West, invading the Western and Eastern Europe and conquering them militarily, forcing the West to adopt the Asian language, culture, economical system, political system, science, and technology, do you think the Asian Man's lot in the global stage would have been different now?

Had China conquered the World, would it have been a different situation for the Asian Men today?

For centuries Asia and the Asian Men have been powerless against the West and the Western Men. What if the situation were a reverse?

My definition of failure is this: The failure to lead at the top.

The problem at the core is, the Asian Men have failed to establish themselves as the de-facto power on earth, for a variety of reasons. If they did have such a power, they certainly would have an edge with women of all races. There certainly is sexual value in having power for men.

I think it's a denial to say that there's no underlying association of higher value in the Western men compared to the Asian men in the West, and many other parts of the world. How can I prove this? If the Asian men had higher value, women in general would be flocking to them--but that isn't the case, I think. I'd be happy to be proved otherwise.

Hands down, the western men have been leading the world in the past 500 years or so in every field, and the Asian men have failed in providing global leadership. If you're an Asian man and don't see a problem in that, well, I'd say you're beyond help and repair.

There's much sexual value in social value and power. If you want to peg the system to your favor, work on creating that advantage, and let that advantage be known. Clear and simple.

Why is it so hard to grasp that the Asian Men should improve their power and value base not just in the West but everywhere else on the planet, and project that value in mass scale, in order to improve their global dating game en messe?

Why do the Asian Men vehemently refuse to accept that they do have problems and shortcomings, that they have created their own predicaments, and refuse to work on removing the disadvantages, while some if not many complaining about how bad they have it? That is beyond my grasp. Inferiority complex, perhaps?

You think letting the things stay the way it is the perfect course? If you do say you have problems, what is your solution other than 'fitting in' to a world built by others, and following others' leads? Anything? I've never seen one--yet.

Do you have the guts to lead and pave the way? Do you have the gumption to stand up and fight for your kind? Do you work on shattering the negative stereotypical images associated with the Asian Man? You probably don't. Otherwise, prove me wrong. Feel free to share your achievements and plans that's way above the average. I'd love to read the tails of sexual and otherwise conquests by the Asian Men.

Post: #49

Adventure21c,

I think when people disagreed about fitting into the white/West culture to succeed, my guess is that they meant that the Asian man should pave his own way. Not necessarily for the U.S., though this seems to be the target area of the conversation.

The point that everyone wants to make is that the Asian man must go global in values. Some of characteristics associated with the guy at the top will overlap with values that are considered Western, but they are great values nonetheless.

Post: #50

Alright buddy, move over and make room in the mud. I'll come and roll around in the muck with you for one post so that someone else's mind doesn't get warped.

There are definitely intelligent parts to the post and by and large I'll agree with 80% of what you wrote - whites are valued across the world due to a fluke of history, people are uncomfortable discussing this, and there are no asian male sex symbols. Unfortunately, these ideas are just so wrapped up in hate, personal attacks, and an inability to see nuance. Everything in your writing is so black and white / alpha-beta. These concepts are far more complicated and to reduce it to simple ideas is misleading.

What are you trying to accomplish by posting? are you trying to help others? shock others into chest thumping overcompensation like this guy? Vent like these guys? The anger in all these examples is so transparent and it repels, everyone.

The largest guys in the gym tend to be most calm - there is no doubt that they're the biggest. It's the the guys in the middle, those that are insecure in their status, they're the annoying ones. They grunt, flex, and make a big show so that everyone will notice.

Things are changing for the better.... and the ones moving the conversation forward while washing away the stereotype will never be the abrasively loud ones.