Post: #126

(12-02-2015 08:26 AM)Pride male Wrote:  I get the whole aloof jerkboy asshole charisma. Chicks love badboys etc, but given my personality, I prefer complimenting women, teasing them and being nice to them. I dont mind opening doors for the ladies, whether they be 9s or 3s. Does that make me beta?

No it doesn't. This whole beta/alpha concept is overblown. It isn't the small subtleties that convey your status to a woman. It's the big things that matter most: Your inner game/confidence. Your self respect. You can still be a good person and successful with women.

Post: #127

(12-02-2015 08:39 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:26 AM)Pride male Wrote:  I get the whole aloof jerkboy asshole charisma. Chicks love badboys etc, but given my personality, I prefer complimenting women, teasing them and being nice to them. I dont mind opening doors for the ladies, whether they be 9s or 3s. Does that make me beta?

No it doesn't. This whole beta/alpha concept is overblown. It isn't the small subtleties that convey your status to a woman. It's the big things that matter most: Your inner game/confidence. Your self respect. You can still be a good person and successful with women.

Not if you want the best results. Some things just work better than others. Being a good person will get you nowhere, except maybe the friend zone.

Post: #128

(12-02-2015 08:41 AM)Jesus Christ Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:39 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:26 AM)Pride male Wrote:  I get the whole aloof jerkboy asshole charisma. Chicks love badboys etc, but given my personality, I prefer complimenting women, teasing them and being nice to them. I dont mind opening doors for the ladies, whether they be 9s or 3s. Does that make me beta?

No it doesn't. This whole beta/alpha concept is overblown. It isn't the small subtleties that convey your status to a woman. It's the big things that matter most: Your inner game/confidence. Your self respect. You can still be a good person and successful with women.

Not if you want the best results. Some things just work better than others. Being a good person will get you nowhere, except maybe the friend zone.

I know where you're coming from but eventually you move past that [If it isn't your natural persona].

I played the role of the 'jerk' for years. It's an easy entry into immediate results but after a while you start to realise that it's the confidence and self assurance that generates the results - Not the ambiguous disagreeable nature.

Post: #129

(12-02-2015 09:05 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:41 AM)Jesus Christ Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:39 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  

(12-02-2015 08:26 AM)Pride male Wrote:  I get the whole aloof jerkboy asshole charisma. Chicks love badboys etc, but given my personality, I prefer complimenting women, teasing them and being nice to them. I dont mind opening doors for the ladies, whether they be 9s or 3s. Does that make me beta?

No it doesn't. This whole beta/alpha concept is overblown. It isn't the small subtleties that convey your status to a woman. It's the big things that matter most: Your inner game/confidence. Your self respect. You can still be a good person and successful with women.

Not if you want the best results. Some things just work better than others. Being a good person will get you nowhere, except maybe the friend zone.

I know where you're coming from but eventually you move past that [If it isn't your natural persona].

I played the role of the 'jerk' for years. It's an easy entry into immediate results but after a while you start to realise that it's the confidence and self assurance that generates the results - Not the ambiguous disagreeable nature.

I've been in it for years and being a dick still works like the first day. With time you just incorporate it into who you are.

Post: #130

(12-02-2015 09:08 AM)Jesus Christ Wrote:  I've been in it for years and being a dick still works like the first day. With time you just incorporate it into who you are.

Agreed. I'm just pointing out that you don't have to fall into a 'category' when it comes to women. If you're by nature polite and well meaning, it isn't a death sentence.

Inner game and the status you afford yourself are infinitely more valuable than any inconsequential 'gaming' theory you employ.

Post: #131

LOL-

This thread has turned into:

- alpha/beta dichotomy
- people vying to be the monopoly on how to fuck and keep 9s
- what is a 9
- people have stopped discussing how they would treat these girls

Everyone has a different lens on this, depending on your background, upbringing, social and financial status, how big your city is (overlooked), age etc.

Some truths are inalienable, some aren't.

The girls I thought we were talking about aren't the ones I would expect to spend time on reddit except for attention whoring on gonewild and those are completely different but rather girls we have met and spent time around.

Stuff we have discussed with guys who actively spend time in these circles and have girls trying to fuck em etc.

It's just congruence man, these girls are used to guys trying to be what they 'think 9s are into' and not 'themselves'.. Guys who can be congruence but that personality and character/looks/whatever is attractive will kill it. Entitlement, frame, abundance whatever.

Textbook game is textbook, I personally am a believer in status with these things.

I live in a big city where it's a fucking competition, maybe that is a difference?

I digress.

Post: #132

I say all women's pussy are wired the same except for a few outliers. Just like most men want an effeminate woman who doesnt sleep around.

Whether a girl is a 9 or 3 ALL women like to be led, teased, fucked thoroughly, some beta provisioning and to know other women find their man attractive.

Post: #133

I'm surprised by the poll results. That 54.02% sounds like a joke

Post: #134

(12-01-2015 04:43 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Do prostitutes count?

I have paid for a few 9s
*****

As far as "gaming" a 9..

I have never successfully done it.

But, I have had a few 9s "game" me.

Jr. High: The prettiest girl in school started being very nice to me and basically seduced me into being her boyfriend. I had status because I was an athlete and I hung with the cool crowd, but, my game was terrible and I quickly lost her to an older guy.

High school: Again, a beautiful girl seduced me because I was the quarterback of the football team. She just wanted the status of dating a football player. My game was terrible and I soon lost her to a star baseball player.

I later learned that she had cheated on me with my dad. (in return, my dad set me up with his hot 27 year old friend + her friend who played with us)

I discuss that story in my interview with Christian McQueen:

http://amanindemandradio.podbean.com/e/t...-giovanny/

College: Again, I had status due to sports. I got lucky one night and hooked up with a beautiful white girl with a face and body that many people still talk about to this day. I can still see her perfect body in my mind!

Post college: I lost all my schoolboy status, 9s lost all interest in me.

In conclusion, I was only able to get 9s when my status was very high, like when I was interviewed on local television or when my picture was in the local newspaper. And, that said, I didn't really get them, they got me! They were essentially using me for my status?!?!

---

My sex life went way downhill after college. I struggled for years.

Then, at the age of 33, I discovered "game".

I recommitted myself to going after beautiful girls.

I struggled for years, only banging 6s and 7s.

After a few years of hard work, I started consistently pulling 7s and the occasional 7.5. A few years later, I stared getting the occasional 8.

This past summer, I cold approached a stunning Canadian tourist on the street and successfully banged her, but, I'd give her an 8.5.

I'm still trying to land a 9.

I've done a few first dates but never got a second date.

What I've learned is this:

1) Status
2) Fame
3) Looks
4) $$$
5) Acting like you are the prize
6) Sexy girls are sexual

You guys already knew that.

-----

For me, specifically, I target young 9s.

18 and 19 year old 9s.

I like these younger 9s, they are often more naive and less aware of their sexual power. Sometimes, they do not even know that they are 9s!

As an older man, they sometimes assume that my social status is higher than there's!

They are often less jaded and less manipulative as compared to older, more experienced 9s.

They are often more easily impressed than the older 9s. They often have less of a entitled attitude when compared to older 9s.

They sometimes desire an older man; and as one of the few older man who approaches them competently, my chances of success increase.

All that said, I still haven't landed a legit 18 or 19 year old 9. (again, not counting prostitutes)

But, I have gotten a few 18/19 year old 8s and 8.5s. I am getting better!

I will keep aiming for 9s!

I treat them as equal or inferior.

Loved this post, as it factored in 9's by age and their evolution. Listened to the podcast with Christian McQueen as well, and like Giovonny's red pill experiences regarding his father and 9's, I saw some of them growing up as well relating to 9's.

Have a friend whose dad is a strip club owner (and other projects as well), and his dad growing up always had girlfriend's that I would classify being in the 9 range where I grew up, maybe at minimum 8's in a place like LA. A thing i noticed about them when I was younger was how more sexual they were, having a more flirtatious personality than average, showing off their tits and body much more than usual, and having a more feminine aura than the average woman. Their looks were their identity because that is all they needed to get what they wanted out of life. At this point, they were usually in the 23-25 age, young enough to still be a 9, but at a point where they wouldn't have a boyfriend that was not high on the money/social status spectrum.

After dating two of them and being around the hot strippers, when they are 18-19 you don't have to be rich but have to be exciting, have drugs, etc and like Giovonny said, treat them equally, or treating them like inferiors being a better strategy. With this, you can fuck them but it will be incredibly difficult to keep them around unless you are very high on the social ladder, and basically the best in your environment. In small cities/towns, it is more achievable than say LA, Miami, NYC, etc. The three hottest girls I know are all single mothers, had kids before 22 and all three of the guys are total losers, with two of them convicted felons. The relationships didn't last, but they spread their legs for them.

I also think a distinction should be made regarding the different types of 9's. Kind of like Hank Moody was saying, you have hoe's and housewife type women. Regarding the 9's, the "hoe" types are more often found to be prostitutes, strippers, NFL cheerleaders, Hooter's waitresses, etc, where they are leveraging their beauty for financial benefits, and found this to be the best way to make money quickly and easily. The supermodel 9's are smarter intellectually because they have the foresight to leverage their beauty to make millions, and have the patience and wherewithal to sacrifice a few year's to one day become multi-millionaire's instead of immediately making 6 figures, only to lose that income stream when their looks fade. I'm confident that Sofia Vergara, Heidi Klum, and Adriana Lima have higher IQ's than your typical beautiful stripper or prostitute. I cannot comment on the sexuality of the supermodel types through personal experience, but would imagine them to be less slutty than the "hoe 9's," as evidenced by Adriana Lima being a virgin until marriage.

Also regarding the intellectual side, I think the "hoe 9's" seem stupid when they are younger, because they could care less about developing their brains when they can use their looks to get everything, but once they are older, they are wise regarding human relations, as they have basically spent a decade extracting as much as possible from high status men. Kind of like Giovonny said, they are jaded and manipulative due to their experience.

Basically, I think you can get a 9 by showing alpha qualities among the ones that are 18-19, although very difficult, and being with ones that are 8's are more realistic. They are hotter than most women, most of the time more feminine as they understand the power of their looks, but not so beautiful that they will always be looking for something bigger and better. For the 9's that are in their early to mid 20's, you basically need to be loaded and have high social status. As always there are exceptions to every rule, but what I've seen in my limited experience. Therefore, treat 9's differently, as their circumstances give them a different perspective than 6-8's, and it can't hurt to treat them as equals and/or inferiors.

Post: #135

Right now, this chick is all the rage @ Esquire/GQ

Charlotte McKinney


Compare her to this generic fashion model (or any other fashion model)


You're at a high end venue.

Which one do you think would be easier to pull?

In my mind, Charlotte's massive Horn Dog magnets, means you have to be more particular in the approach.

Where as the model is just another girl who gets hit on as much as other girls.

What do you think?

WIA

Post: #136

(12-06-2015 11:55 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Right now, this chick is all the rage @ Esquire/GQ

Charlotte McKinney


Compare her to this generic fashion model (or any other fashion model)


You're at a high end venue.

Which one do you think would be easier to pull?

In my mind, Charlotte's massive Horn Dog magnets, means you have to be more particular in the approach.

Where as the model is just another girl who gets hit on as much as other girls.

What do you think?

WIA

Agreed. A chick like Charlotte is going to be hit on by the guys with the tightest game and/or status. Have to be able to separate yourself, hence being more particular.

Chicks like the second one are statuesque but can be kind of awkward looking in person. While in abstract they can be harder to pull, they don't get hit on as much as one would think, especially from guys with tight game. Still not easy to pull, but easier than a chick like Charlotte where your game has to be impeccable.

Post: #137

(12-06-2015 11:55 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Right now, this chick is all the rage @ Esquire/GQ

Charlotte McKinney


Compare her to this generic fashion model (or any other fashion model)


You're at a high end venue.

Which one do you think would be easier to pull?

In my mind, Charlotte's massive Horn Dog magnets, means you have to be more particular in the approach.

Where as the model is just another girl who gets hit on as much as other girls.

What do you think?

WIA

Certainly agreed. Busty blonde wearing revealing clothing will get the male juices flowing more.

Post: #138

I got flaked on by two 7's today (one in the afternoon, one at night) and have just about given-up on hail-mary booty-calls, so I figured this would be an ironically appropriate time to post about 9's while I have some free time.

In 2015, I've banged 40 girls (so far, ho ho ho).

I was out for quality this year, with a particular focus on 7.5+'s, and especially on 8.0's+.

Tried to avoid <= 7.0's unless in Break-Glass-to-Break-Slump situations.

Two of the girls I banged this year are 9.0's (made out with and still chatting with a third).

All three are models with varying levels of accomplishment, and all from/live in Latin American countries. The oldest (mid-to-late 20's) is a Miss [Her Home City] and recently represented her country in a beauty pageant, and the youngest (late teens) hasn't done anything really material yet resume-wise, with the third in the middle both age-wise and modeling-accomplishment wise. All three childless, of course.

Maybe about four 8.0's (all childless).

Most of the 40 were in the 7.0 to 7.5 range and a few below (all but two childless).

I think of The Scale qualitatively this way:
7.0: "Pretty" girls. Might see one occasionally "accidentally" during the day.
7.5: Girls that are often considered "hot". Rare during the day but reasonably common in top-tier nightclubs.
8.0: Unequivocally hot, and more complete and flawless in ways that 7.5's are not.
9.0: On par with "feature girls" in music videos. One could go to a top-tier nightclub in a large city and not see one the whole night. Taking a 9.0 to a nightclub as your date results in girls at the club keeping both eyes open and staring at you and your date while making out with their boyfriends.

I would say the hardest thing about 9's is their rarity, i.e. meeting them.

Next in difficulty is getting them out on a date, since they're less likely to be impressed by you.

If/when a 7.0 flakes on you (or is generally difficult), you might have a near-infinite supply of them to replace her, so it's easy to shrug off. You might have a bunch of 7.5's, and some 8.0's in the Rolodex.

However, you probably don't have a ton of 9.0's in the pipeline, which makes negative occurrences sting more.

Once you get them out on a date (or to your apartment/hotel room), though, they are more difficult, but not a universe-away more difficult than "lesser" girls. They are still girls, after all, and abide by the same general instincts.

They grind their ass into you while out at the club (albeit with less reckless abandon than "lesser" girls). They tell you how handsome you are while they're curled-up against you. They squeeze your muscles and squeal. They run their fingers along your six-pack with satisfaction like "lesser" girls do. They get jealous.

You just ("just") have fewer margins for "passive game" and "active game" errors. "Passive game" being looks, height, style, exotic factor, perceived socioeconomic status, etc.--"active game" being able to make her laugh, being impervious when she does test you, body language, etc.

This is all just my conjecture from experience, of course. 9.0's are so difficult to see, much less bang, that it's hard for any one man to accumulate enough data points with variables controlled to be 100% sure of any grand theory.

Your Mileage May Vary.

So my vote would be for both treating them the same and differently as "lesser" girls. The same qualitatively, since the same general "stuff" works. Different quantitatively, since they're so rare, they're more difficult, and you have less margin for error--you need to execute on "stuff" more impeccably.

Post: #139

Great stuff that is quite a year. Two 9s and four 8s and 30+ other 7's+? Where are you gaming mostly? Do you speak Spanish with these Latin girls?

Post: #140

(12-22-2015 01:28 AM)Travesty Wrote:  Great stuff that is quite a year. Two 9s and four 8s and 30+ other 7's+? Where are you gaming mostly? Do you speak Spanish with these Latin girls?

Majority of the girls were from online, some from night-game, and very little from day game, as 7.5+ girls and beyond are not that easy to come across even wandering malls and universities for hours. I like to do all three, like a portfolio of government bonds, corporate bonds, and equities.

Yes, with all Latin girls I generally speak Spanish through WhatsApp, whether it be voice messages or writing. On dates (or "zero dates"), if their English is conversational, I will go half-and-half or almost entirely English, so I can relax more and they scramble more. Only about 5-6 girls I think were at this level, though, enough English to sustain a conversation. Maybe only 2-3 of the Latina girls I've had this year had English better than my Spanish.

My Spanish is merely "Gringo good," I would say. My accent is still very clearly foreign, and con frecuencia I don't understand when random people are saying random things to me. I generally understand what attractive girls are saying to me, though, which I suppose is what really counts.

Post: #141

Is this all in the U.S.? What portion is abroad?

Post: #142

(12-22-2015 02:03 AM)Travesty Wrote:  Is this all in the U.S.? What portion is abroad?

Pretty much all abroad. You might had seen some of this in the WhatsApp group-chats--I was physically injured for a good deal of this year, and was otherwise too busy with my occupation(s) in the U.S. to do much.

Post: #143

Hah yeah I was gonna say wow you are running some serious damn game if you are pulling that in the U.S. that or really balling. Those would be up with BlurredSevens and soup numbers.

Either way quite a feat.

Post: #144

Now working on field data on handling 10s.

Post: #145

It is difficult but not impossible.

Post: #146

The list that XXL dropped is probably the second best part of this thread.

My thoughts have changed on this.

WIA

Post: #147

I am reading this old norwegian novel from the late 1800s and stumbled upon something that made me think of this thread. I always think it's interesting to see how men dealt with these girls from long ago.

The main character is a loner who moves into this little hut in the woods and meets the hottest chick in the village and goes all beta on her after the bang. Then he notices that she seems to also like this other character called the doctor, who is the life of the party alpha.

They meet one night and the doctor gives a lesson in game:

"Severity's what she wants. There's something wrong about it all; she has too free a hand; she can do as she pleases, and have her own way all the time. People take notice of her; no one ever disregards her; there is always something at hand for her to work on with effect. Have you noticed the way I treat her myself? Like a schoolgirl, a child; I order her about, criticize her way of speaking, watch her carefully, and show her up now and again. Do you think she doesn't understand it? Oh, she's stiff and proud, it hurts her every time; but then again she is too proud to show it. But that's the way she should be handled."

I chuckled when I read this, thinking that it isn't too far off what we talk about here.

Post: #148

Good catch General Mayhem
WIA

Post: #149

(10-19-2016 05:20 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  The list that XXL dropped is probably the second best part of this thread.

My thoughts have changed on this.

WIA

Changed in what way?

Post: #150

I don't think I answered this question properly, but reading what I wrote last year, I know what I would have I said.

Not so sure I'd say the same today.

You have to infiltrate her social milieu, basically pull a Distant Light. Same thing you'd do in an off brand city like Philly or Baltimore.

Within that context, it's also about showing value. But for these girls surrounded by male models, artists, and boring old rich guys - what is value? Distant touched on this, but I think there is more to the story.

It goes back to the concept of what Christmas gift do you get for kids that have everything?

WIA