Post: #101

(11-30-2015 11:09 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 04:12 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  100%. Rock solid frame is a by product of inner game. When you have that absolute confidence in yourself as a person it is incredibly effective. I didn't mention it because with a high quality girl is more or less a pre-requisite. They can sniff even the slightest hint of insecurity.

Who are these chicks that you guys are meeting?

I can't figure out how these chicks have super powers on par with Batman.

They blink and bills are paid for.
More henchmen than Cobra Commander
Mind control better than Kilgrave.

This whole "she lives in a different reality" thing is overblown. Time and gravity makes her reign short lived

WIA

Exactly my thoughts. Those girls are not like some female terminators with hightec detectors. They just have more social experience than regular girls [just in general, shy beautiful girls are not soooo savvy].

The difference between very attractive ones and others is subtle, it's not like they're different breed or something. If you guys want to really GET IT then imagine how would you think and behave if...
- every person of the opposite sex you talked to since the age of 15 wanted to fuck you in the ass
- you let few of them do it and now you regret it
- everybody judged you by your looks
Would you say that you would be a little less trustful about people and especially men you meet?

Read.. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comme...s_it_like/

Post: #102

If you read CoverDoc's post, you will get an insight into the world of a hot chick. By her actions alone and the way others reacted to her, I have no doubt she was a "9".

It's easy to come on here and say you would game them the same, as any other chick. In real life you wouldn't, your game would have to be flawless like your frame.

She has tons of orbitors, dudes hoping for the chance to be seen with her. Nowadays, she can get that and be a 8 or 7, all depends where you live and what the competition is like.

Post: #103

(11-30-2015 03:59 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 11:09 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 04:12 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  100%. Rock solid frame is a by product of inner game. When you have that absolute confidence in yourself as a person it is incredibly effective. I didn't mention it because with a high quality girl is more or less a pre-requisite. They can sniff even the slightest hint of insecurity.

Who are these chicks that you guys are meeting?

I can't figure out how these chicks have super powers on par with Batman.

They blink and bills are paid for.
More henchmen than Cobra Commander
Mind control better than Kilgrave.

This whole "she lives in a different reality" thing is overblown. Time and gravity makes her reign short lived

WIA

Exactly my thoughts. Those girls are not like some female terminators with hightec detectors. They just have more social experience than regular girls [just in general, shy beautiful girls are not soooo savvy].

I think what Rush87 is getting at is that guys tend to act differently around them and thus insecurity or giving up frame is coming out and they are probably used to a clear distinction of people who treat them like they are some supermodel and the select few who do not. It's not so much they are female terminators but more so that people who interact with them act different around them compared to other people. Almost across the board guys interact with really good looking women differently than the rest of the human population.


The Seinfeld clip that the TS posted is actually accurate(obviously done for comedic purposes).

Post: #104

(11-30-2015 11:09 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 04:12 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  100%. Rock solid frame is a by product of inner game. When you have that absolute confidence in yourself as a person it is incredibly effective. I didn't mention it because with a high quality girl is more or less a pre-requisite. They can sniff even the slightest hint of insecurity.

Who are these chicks that you guys are meeting?

I can't figure out how these chicks have super powers on par with Batman.

They blink and bills are paid for.
More henchmen than Cobra Commander
Mind control better than Kilgrave.

This whole "she lives in a different reality" thing is overblown. Time and gravity makes her reign short lived

WIA

As intelligent, experienced, and well traveled as a lot of the membership here is, many of the comments on this thread are frankly shocking. Spend a month in Miami Beach (you can't accomplish what I'm proposing in a small U.S. town, nor in a third or fourth tier U.S. city), meet twenty legitimate runway models, and try to bang them. If you can't bang them, try to find out what kind of guys they are with or have been with in the past. If you do that, I guarantee you that you will find out things that tell you comments like "they are all with high status men" are complete bollocks. A lot of top quality women are with average or below average guys who are credit card warriors or fake millionaires. A small percentage is with guys who are truly wealthy and are desired by most or all, women. Don't take my word for it. Go find out for yourself. It's painfully obvious from some of the comments here that many of the guys here haven't found out for themselves. Now, you might ask, why is this that a woman who can have any guy, any billionaire, would choose to be with an average or below average guy? One reason is that people, in general, make horrible decisions all the time. Credit cards, seven figure mortgages, accidentally getting pregnant. What makes you think that the most beautiful women in the world are immune to making the same types of horrible decisions that everyone else does? Another reason is that, although there are exceptions, people tend to go for what is easy and convenient. Why do you see quality girls in Medellin every five minutes with little guys with mullets and graphic t-shirts. Because he was easy and convenient and in her social circle. People don't like to work or (I hate the term "think outside the box," but you get the idea). They like what is handed to them. Another big reason is that people in general have horrible self esteem. Again, there are top quality women who have great self esteem, but most don't. In most cases, they will feel more comfortable with an average or below average guy with whom they feel less threatened. If you think I'm completely off it on any of this, American Airlines has direct flights to MIA from most U.S. cities and you can go find out for yourself.

Post: #105

I used to know a guy who regularly dated 9's and dare I say the perfect 10's .
He was quite short a little overweight and nothing special to look at but his game was the best I've ever seen.

His dad was very high up at Playboy and he spent his childhood swimming around a pool fill full of naked girls. When you're ten yrs old it means nothing but being around models all his life meant he knew exactly what to say.

I only knew him briefly but depending on the situation he would:

1. Find out what the girl was into , hopes and dreams kind of stuff , and he was indicate he was in the position to help facilitate ...
( kinda getting them to invest in him a little)

2. When the conversation turned sexual , he would maybe find out the most crazy sex story the girl had , then up it with his own even more insane sex story.
( This would normally blow the girls mind some what )

The rest would just fall in to place. He was still well off , interesting person etc.

Rare person to meet.

Post: #106

(11-30-2015 11:09 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 04:12 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  100%. Rock solid frame is a by product of inner game. When you have that absolute confidence in yourself as a person it is incredibly effective. I didn't mention it because with a high quality girl is more or less a pre-requisite. They can sniff even the slightest hint of insecurity.

Who are these chicks that you guys are meeting?

I can't figure out how these chicks have super powers on par with Batman.

They blink and bills are paid for.
More henchmen than Cobra Commander
Mind control better than Kilgrave.

This whole "she lives in a different reality" thing is overblown. Time and gravity makes her reign short lived

WIA

I agree. It's all a product of environment or personality. Just like people have mentioned:

- Some girls aren't all over social media. Some come from small towns or humble locations. Some just aren't that type of girl. These girls don't live in a different reality at all.

There are many girls like this. This is why I say it all comes down to the status you hold versus the status she holds. I.E: What are you going to offer that will better her life: This can be so many different things. It isn't just money.

As an example:

Here is a generic post from a girl I dated for a short while in the past. She isn't a 9 - Maybe an 8 - But that's besides the point.



Where the different reality comes from is the quick realisation that they can get whatever they want. I was dating this girl during this time and she has hundreds of comments of guys saying "How stunning she is", "Inviting her to boat parties" etc etc.

With social media today: Your average to above average looking girl can get more attention than a female celebrity pre-internet.

As a contrast

One of only two true nines that I've actually dated in the past had no social media presence. She had no entitlement. To hold on to that girl was no different than to hold onto any average level girl. This was a product of her personality/environment.

Unfortunately when we talk about attractive females the former [Social climbers] far exceed the latter [This will also vary for every single guy on this forum because we all come from different parts of the world].

The former requires much more than game because they are multiplying their options on a daily basis. In reality, I don't think anyone would want this type of girl anyway. They're good for a bang but that's about it.

When it comes to latter [The beautiful girl without entitlement]: It's just a connection plus relationship game. The same relationship game you would use with any girl. Where I fucked up was in losing my frame. The reality is that they will be hit on a lot. Right in front of your face even. Eventually it started to bug me. Next time I'll hopefully be a little more prepared but I haven't seen such a girl since. In fact as I'm writing this it's just hit me as to how rare these girls are.

Post: #107

(11-30-2015 05:48 PM)cosworth Wrote:  I used to know a guy who regularly dated 9's and dare I say the perfect 10's .
He was quite short a little overweight and nothing special to look at but his game was the best I've ever seen.

His dad was very high up at Playboy and he spent his childhood swimming around a pool fill full of naked girls. When you're ten yrs old it means nothing but being around models all his life meant he knew exactly what to say.

I only knew him briefly but depending on the situation he would:

1. Find out what the girl was into , hopes and dreams kind of stuff , and he was indicate he was in the position to help facilitate ...
( kinda getting them to invest in him a little)

2. When the conversation turned sexual , he would maybe find out the most crazy sex story the girl had , then up it with his own even more insane sex story.
( This would normally blow the girls mind some what )

Good info though sounds like he was able to leverage his born power position in life. He's leveraging social circle power...ie his dad being a power player at Playboy. Drop this guy off in any other U.S. city as an accountant with no friends and then things are different. Good for him though maximizing his situation.

Post: #108

(11-30-2015 04:20 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  Now, you might ask, why is this that a woman who can have any guy, any billionaire, would choose to be with an average or below average guy? One reason is that people, in general, make horrible decisions all the time. Credit cards, seven figure mortgages, accidentally getting pregnant. What makes you think that the most beautiful women in the world are immune to making the same types of horrible decisions that everyone else does? Another reason is that, although there are exceptions, people tend to go for what is easy and convenient. Why do you see quality girls in Medellin every five minutes with little guys with mullets and graphic t-shirts. Because he was easy and convenient and in her social circle. People don't like to work or (I hate the term "think outside the box," but you get the idea). They like what is handed to them.

What is different about these guys who are with women that seem to be much better than them?

I agree that some very attractive girls are with guys who aren't great looking or high status because those guys are easy and convenient but there is usually something else. Perhaps it is something about the guy's personality that made her choose him over the other average guys that were easy and convenient.

It could be a wide range of things but are there one or a few characteristics that most of these guys have in common?

Post: #109

I hate to be anti game but I think it has a lot more to do with being in the right place at the right time, at lest with the non instagram sluts/club whores.

Of the handful of nines I've known all of them went out with pretty average looking guys who they worked with, went to uni with or was part of their social circle. I think if you're after 9's it would be worthy of spending more time on positioning yourself to meet such girls than developing any special type of game.

Post: #110

(11-30-2015 03:59 PM)XXL Wrote:  Read.. https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comme...s_it_like/

This is the most important part of This thread.

WIA

Post: #111

That Reddit thread is deep.

Post: #112

(12-01-2015 10:13 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  

(11-30-2015 04:20 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  Now, you might ask, why is this that a woman who can have any guy, any billionaire, would choose to be with an average or below average guy? One reason is that people, in general, make horrible decisions all the time. Credit cards, seven figure mortgages, accidentally getting pregnant. What makes you think that the most beautiful women in the world are immune to making the same types of horrible decisions that everyone else does? Another reason is that, although there are exceptions, people tend to go for what is easy and convenient. Why do you see quality girls in Medellin every five minutes with little guys with mullets and graphic t-shirts. Because he was easy and convenient and in her social circle. People don't like to work or (I hate the term "think outside the box," but you get the idea). They like what is handed to them.

What is different about these guys who are with women that seem to be much better than them?

I agree that some very attractive girls are with guys who aren't great looking or high status because those guys are easy and convenient but there is usually something else. Perhaps it is something about the guy's personality that made her choose him over the other average guys that were easy and convenient.

It could be a wide range of things but are there one or a few characteristics that most of these guys have in common?

The guys are often, but not always, from the same country as the girls and are also often in her social circle. I know that in a lot of places, being from the same country may seem extremely common, but in Miami Beach, and to a lesser extent, New York City, it is pretty rare, unless the country is Cuba and the people are in Miami Beach. Other than that, I haven't noticed a lot of characteristics that the guys have in common.

Post: #113

Do prostitutes count?

I have paid for a few 9s
*****

As far as "gaming" a 9..

I have never successfully done it.

But, I have had a few 9s "game" me.

Jr. High: The prettiest girl in school started being very nice to me and basically seduced me into being her boyfriend. I had status because I was an athlete and I hung with the cool crowd, but, my game was terrible and I quickly lost her to an older guy.

High school: Again, a beautiful girl seduced me because I was the quarterback of the football team. She just wanted the status of dating a football player. My game was terrible and I soon lost her to a star baseball player.

I later learned that she had cheated on me with my dad. (in return, my dad set me up with his hot 27 year old friend + her friend who played with us)

I discuss that story in my interview with Christian McQueen:

http://amanindemandradio.podbean.com/e/t...-giovanny/

College: Again, I had status due to sports. I got lucky one night and hooked up with a beautiful white girl with a face and body that many people still talk about to this day. I can still see her perfect body in my mind!

Post college: I lost all my schoolboy status, 9s lost all interest in me.

In conclusion, I was only able to get 9s when my status was very high, like when I was interviewed on local television or when my picture was in the local newspaper. And, that said, I didn't really get them, they got me! They were essentially using me for my status?!?!

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My sex life went way downhill after college. I struggled for years.

Then, at the age of 33, I discovered "game".

I recommitted myself to going after beautiful girls.

I struggled for years, only banging 6s and 7s.

After a few years of hard work, I started consistently pulling 7s and the occasional 7.5. A few years later, I stared getting the occasional 8.

This past summer, I cold approached a stunning Canadian tourist on the street and successfully banged her, but, I'd give her an 8.5.

I'm still trying to land a 9.

I've done a few first dates but never got a second date.

What I've learned is this:

1) Status
2) Fame
3) Looks
4) $$$
5) Acting like you are the prize
6) Sexy girls are sexual

You guys already knew that.

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For me, specifically, I target young 9s.

18 and 19 year old 9s.

I like these younger 9s, they are often more naive and less aware of their sexual power. Sometimes, they do not even know that they are 9s!

As an older man, they sometimes assume that my social status is higher than there's!

They are often less jaded and less manipulative as compared to older, more experienced 9s.

They are often more easily impressed than the older 9s. They often have less of a entitled attitude when compared to older 9s.

They sometimes desire an older man; and as one of the few older man who approaches them competently, my chances of success increase.

All that said, I still haven't landed a legit 18 or 19 year old 9. (again, not counting prostitutes)

But, I have gotten a few 18/19 year old 8s and 8.5s. I am getting better!

I will keep aiming for 9s!

I treat them as equal or inferior.

Post: #114

This is probably the best post on the Reddit thread...
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An honest answer, whether or not you want to believe me. I am on Reddit- I also am a "hot chick". I will not do anything to verify this, as I am a private person and the only real way would be to post pictures.
Your questions answered, specifically-
Do people treat you differently?
Yes, they treat me like they want to fuck me. It's okay. Sometimes it grosses me out. Sometimes it is flattering. I know this is horrible but I get offended if a guy DOESN'T check me out. It's all just a game of biology, and I'm a good specimen for breeding.
What kind of problems do you face?
You face people giving you attention you don't want. That sounds like no big deal unless you realize that about half the human population has weird relationship/personal space issues and it means that men make weird comments, even your relatives and your friends. It means that you're never allowed to forget what you look like, and that it is important that you do not change. The first words out of my dad's mouth when I see him are whether or not I look like I've been working out daily.
Intelligent hot chicks, and if they exist- They do. But they've learned to hide it. People will hate you for being attractive, unless they feel they are smarter than you. Then they feel better because they have a reason to look down on you. If you let on that you can compete mentally, then they really dislike you, to the point of pure mean-girl sort of stuff. Sometimes, if you do try to contribute on any level, people dismiss you immediately. Or they decide they want to try to fuck you more than before.
What it comes down to is that it is less about how attractive you are, and more about how others around you perceive it. I think that one thing very attractive girls never feel is really accepted. Because you're always trying to self-depreciate in one way or another, to make yourself seem less of a threat to other girls, less attractive to those you don't want to be attractive to, etc.
Is it worse, or better than being average? I'm not sure. I don't know who I would be without it, but at the same time, I wonder if anyone around me would like me if I didn't look this way. I find no joy in eating, in fact, I secretly hate food. I wish I could have a healthier relationship with it.
It lets you have very unhealthy romantic relationships. It's easy to ignore all other aspects and base it only off how you look. It's easy to not learn how to be a good person, or how to treat people the right way. It's easy to end up alone. It's easy to expect help from strangers for no reason. But dealing with rejection, if these things don't happen the way you want them to, is really, really hard. I guess it's just hard to face reality when you are used to not having to.
Long winded, yes. I apologize. I've had more than a decade to deal with these things, and sometimes I feel like I am behind other people because I relied on my looks for so long. I am petrified of getting old and unattractive. That's a big thing I am working through in therapy right now.
I really don't know what else to say. Let me know if you have other questions.
Oh, and as an edit- I know this wouldn't seem like a bad thing to guys, but I've been scarred repeatedly by sleeping with someone I thought I could trust and then having them brag to the whole world. I can't tell you how many times I've been betrayed with that sort of thing. How many times I cried over it, and how long it took me to regain the courage to try again with someone new. That part always really, really hurt.
EDIT THE DAY AFTER-
Thank you all so much for making this a worthwhile post for me. It means so much that you all care what I say when I am being honest and open. And that you all respected my anonymity so much. You are all why I love Reddit, and will forever consider it a safe place.
I think all of you have contributed to turn this into a really interesting, productive discussion.
Oh great. Was not expecting frontpage. Deleting personal information now.
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Guess its like being a rich and famous guy you'll constantly be thinking is she dating me for my money , fame or really likes who I am as a person. I'm sure that's why famous good looking people date other famous good looking people.

One of my plates is a "hot" girl firm 8 , with a very open friendly face , she must get hit on at least 5 times a week. I've been on dates with her, as soon as I leave the table to go to the toilet a guy will be hitting on her ! I used to think she was over exaggerating until i seen it with my own eyes.
It really p-sses her off , as most of the guys are creepy and strange.. When she flew back home the check in clerk at the airport was hitting on her , she was like I don't want to give you my phone number , just my bags !

Back to the topic ... Where can you consistently find 9's to meet. Being a Dj , Club PR , photographer is all well and good but its not a really a long term well paying career choice unless you are in the 0.0001 % that make it super big in those professions..

Post: #115

Opps! I forgot to mention:

I treat them as equal or inferior.

That's after about 40 years of doing the opposite; treating them as superior.

I finally learned to internalize a more effective communication strategy!

Post: #116

(12-01-2015 05:48 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Opps! I forgot to mention:

I treat them as equal or inferior.

That's after about 40 years of doing the opposite; treating them as superior.

I finally learned to internalize a more effective communication strategy!

When you take everything into account, they probably are equal or inferior. Why wouldn't you treat them as such?

Post: #117

(12-01-2015 05:52 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(12-01-2015 05:48 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  Opps! I forgot to mention:

I treat them as equal or inferior.

That's after about 40 years of doing the opposite; treating them as superior.

I finally learned to internalize a more effective communication strategy!

When you take everything into account, they probably are equal or inferior. Why wouldn't you treat them as such?

Cultural Conditioning

Post: #118

Random points about handling hot girls:

It's harder to keep a hot girl than to meet her. Shit you deal with during the initial interaction or first weeks of dating is a piece of cake next to shit you deal with in the relationship. It's easier to be cool for 2 hours or once/twice a week, it's harder to maintain your cool everyday.

Hate being hit on. Direct game doesn't work. Slow play/low risk is highest chance move. you can only game a girl once she opens up to you. when she's closed she's closed. An attractive girl will not open up when you tell her you find her attractive. Even if you're different than other chasers she's likely to view you the same. Do something to stand out. Whatever you do just don't validate her. In short express interest without compliments or overt sexual statements right off the bat.

Social proof works well. The best possible scenario is when you and your 2-3 solid buddies talk to a couple of hotties at once. For example, in a nightclub you split with your buddies and each of you meets and brings girls to your spot/table/base. You merge them all, form a group and game as usual. it draws attention so other girls might be lingering around you, bring them in too. This is easy to replicate in other social situations. It's subtle yet makes you look powerful. you seem to know girls, you introduce everybody to each other, you're the center of attention, you're in charge of the interaction, etc. I did it even at work. key skill is gaming group of people and use social proof to your advantage.

80% of hot girl game is entitlement. Simply believing she's within your reach. It auto corrects a lot of potential mistakes. Good way to tell is for example being able to chat and chat with an intimidating girl without getting weird or saying stupid shit.

To find a hot girl your type be upfront about who you are asap ie letting her know that this is what you want, this is who you are, this is what you like, this is where you want to go. I know you know it but I doubt you follow it.

Can be very sneaky to find out what you're really made of and especially how you compare to other men. not uncommon to see them engaging other men just to see how you react or bringing other men into the interaction to see what will happen. I think it's unconscious. A couple of times I had to deal with some guy just before the pull, it felt like fighting the main boss/monster at the end of a video game.

Get hit on, texted, poked/messaged/liked daily. Like.. you're together in public place, she goes to a toilet and she gets chat up on her way there. Not to even mention what's going on online. It's never ending wave of "approaches". You have to be literally immune to this. just don't give a fuck at all. If she shows you some guy's message you smirk or casually go "he's cute.. I'd fuck him".

Beware of texting. They can be quite dramatic over text. especially when they're very into you/love you. expect long essays that push your buttons. You should never get involved. NEVER. If it's something more serious respond with "we'll talk in person". If you give in stupid drama starts and later she will blame you saying something like "why did you give into it? you have no self control. You should have calmed me down instead of arguing". So when they start shit you cut it asap. So so important. It's crazy how fast things can go downhill when you get carried away over one silly text message exchange. Learn from my mistakes.

Beware of games your mind plays with you. When guys meet a bit more attractive girl they're accustomed who seems to like/accept them they rationalize how much they like her thinking she's oh so special. No, motherfucker, she's probably not that special, she's just hotter girl you happen to meet and you're hypnotized by her tits instead of checking what type of a person she is. Without any experience with attractive women you're not even psychologically equipped to handle what's in front of you to make an intelligent decision.

Never be afraid to lose her. Let her know she can go if she's not happy with you. Good way to flip the script.

At times need you to step up to them. They tend to get lazy and all over the place as if something inside them snaps and they just let go. This is the moment where you step up and lay down the law. You need to recognize it and force them to get their shit together. They will hate you at that moment cause that's the last thing they want to do but will love you later after you bring order in their life like a man.

Post: #119

I fucked a 9 in Moscow this summer, 6'3'' in heels, intimidating frame, Victoria's Secret Model quality. She had only fucked 3 guys before me, all of them LTRs.

Essentially I escalated on her for an hour, weaseled her to my house and semi-raped her by pushing her in through the door and brutalizing the last LMR steps. And no, she did not go to the police. The second time we fucked she came over dolled up, with a Playboy bra under her dress. So she didn't seem to mind my violence too much. Saw her two times more after the first date lay, and she started pressing for monogamy faster than I've ever seen any girl do before. I was leaving the country so I said goodbye to her at the end of the third date.

I did not wave money around, made a joke out of how broke I was. I left it clear through my actions I was a player, and she got the message. And no, she was not some club whore snorting cocaine off a billionaire's dick for cash. She was in fact rich herself (rich parents) and lived in a large apartment on Arbat street itself. Ten minutes talking to her and you realize it's just a kiddy in a dress. These women want the same as every other girl.

I had a large harem of girls, had had a run of girls who flaked on second dates, so I went "fuck it" and just let my instinct control me. There was no active game or plan, all my actions were guided by instinct. Her response to my violence was quite a revelation. She refused the kiss like 20 times so I just forced it by holding her head in place so she couldn't move. She loved it. Threw her into my house. Massive smile on her face. Seconds after getting through the door of my house I slam her onto the sofa as hard as I can and she is gushing. She couldn't fucking help herself. It was a long escalation process with much push-pull, but it would have been impossible without some degree of violence.

As to how to treat her, it's all an inner game issue. Just forget for a second about the "stares" and all this high-roller bullshit. There's no way I was thinking about any of that, that wasn't even in my head. At first I was scared but after she started smiling she stopped being an enemy, a "target" that I had to game, she started being a friend. She was on my team now, and I could feel it in my core. Frankly I didn't really value her much in my mind, I never cared much about value just for the sake of validation and was fully willing to lose her. I was fucking another girl at the time with whom I had a tremendous connection, despite her just being a 7, and I knew that in terms of my own personal happiness any other girl would just be a supplement. I felt that truly in my core. I wasn't "negging" her, I wasn't trying to be all alpha. I was just being fucking normal, just as I would with any other girl. I even complimented her appearance once. After sex it was just like any other girl, it felt like any other girl. Just chilling on the sofa with my legs up and a beer, chatting without any feeling of needing to impress or qualify. Frankly, she seemed more nervous than I was. For every date I was very nervous at first, a bit overwhelmed by her appearance, but once she started talking and smiling that feeling of her being my friend appeared, and the nerves would simmer down.

If you have to think about it too much, your inner game is not right. At the time there was a girl in my life that I genuinely valued more than this one, and that likely showed in my behaviour. Essentially congruence. Even somewhat beta congruence is better than alpha posturing. Just be fucking normal, it's not that hard. A guy trying to act all tough, she can see right through that as an insecure fucktard. She definitely did have guys offering her cash, one guy flew her around the world with a marriage proposal, but she saw them as supplicators and they were pretty much dog shit in her eyes. Her callousness when referring to these men was suprising even to me, she was laughing and taking the piss out of them. Zero respect for them whatsoever. It was clear these guys were not competition at all and equivalent to the gay orbiter of a 7.

It was actually a relatively easy first date. She took a very fast liking to me, and although technically complicated (much push-pull etc.), it's almost like her beauty brought out my best game and I was on autopilot. Wierd feeling to explain. During that same trip I went on dates with 7s, and even some 6s, I had a lower chance of fucking than this girl. There were average bitches who resisted all escalation or never texted back. And yet not only the hottest girl of the trip, but of my entire game career, liked me more than some 6. There's some food for thought.

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(12-01-2015 06:07 PM)XXL Wrote:  Random points about handling hot girls:

It's harder to keep a hot girl than to meet her. Shit you deal with during the initial interaction or first weeks of dating is a piece of cake next to shit you deal with in the relationship. It's easier to be cool for 2 hours or once/twice a week, it's harder to maintain your cool everyday.

Hate being hit on. Direct game doesn't work. Slow play/low risk is highest chance move. you can only game a girl once she opens up to you. when she's closed she's closed. An attractive girl will not open up when you tell her you find her attractive. Even if you're different than other chasers she's likely to view you the same. Do something to stand out. Whatever you do just don't validate her. In short express interest without compliments or overt sexual statements right off the bat.

Social proof works well. The best possible scenario is when you and your 2-3 solid buddies talk to a couple of hotties at once. For example, in a nightclub you split with your buddies and each of you meets and brings girls to your spot/table/base. You merge them all, form a group and game as usual. it draws attention so other girls might be lingering around you, bring them in too. This is easy to replicate in other social situations. It's subtle yet makes you look powerful. you seem to know girls, you introduce everybody to each other, you're the center of attention, you're in charge of the interaction, etc. I did it even at work. key skill is gaming group of people and use social proof to your advantage.

80% of hot girl game is entitlement. Simply believing she's within your reach. It auto corrects a lot of potential mistakes. Good way to tell is for example being able to chat and chat with an intimidating girl without getting weird or saying stupid shit.

To find a hot girl your type be upfront about who you are asap ie letting her know that this is what you want, this is who you are, this is what you like, this is where you want to go. I know you know it but I doubt you follow it.

Can be very sneaky to find out what you're really made of and especially how you compare to other men. not uncommon to see them engaging other men just to see how you react or bringing other men into the interaction to see what will happen. I think it's unconscious. A couple of times I had to deal with some guy just before the pull, it felt like fighting the main boss/monster at the end of a video game.

Get hit on, texted, poked/messaged/liked daily. Like.. you're together in public place, she goes to a toilet and she gets chat up on her way there. Not to even mention what's going on online. It's never ending wave of "approaches". You have to be literally immune to this. just don't give a fuck at all. If she shows you some guy's message you smirk or casually go "he's cute.. I'd fuck him".

Beware of texting. They can be quite dramatic over text. especially when they're very into you/love you. expect long essays that push your buttons. You should never get involved. NEVER. If it's something more serious respond with "we'll talk in person". If you give in stupid drama starts and later she will blame you saying something like "why did you give into it? you have no self control. You should have calmed me down instead of arguing". So when they start shit you cut it asap. So so important. It's crazy how fast things can go downhill when you get carried away over one silly text message exchange. Learn from my mistakes.

Beware of games your mind plays with you. When guys meet a bit more attractive girl they're accustomed who seems to like/accept them they rationalize how much they like her thinking she's oh so special. No, motherfucker, she's probably not that special, she's just hotter girl you happen to meet and you're hypnotized by her tits instead of checking what type of a person she is. Without any experience with attractive women you're not even psychologically equipped to handle what's in front of you to make an intelligent decision.

Never be afraid to lose her. Let her know she can go if she's not happy with you. Good way to flip the script.

At times need you to step up to them. They tend to get lazy and all over the place as if something inside them snaps and they just let go. This is the moment where you step up and lay down the law. You need to recognize it and force them to get their shit together. They will hate you at that moment cause that's the last thing they want to do but will love you later after you bring order in their life like a man.

This is actually a great list XXL. Excellent post.

While like I said, I have not hooked up with or even approached any 9s ever, the 8s I've been with show these same qualities though likely not to the extreme we are talking. They definitely get hit on and ogled a lot I don't believe that bs about how no one ever hits on them because they are so hot they are intimidating and make men too anxious or whatever.

I was banging an 8 for about a month when I first moved to this city back in September. I went out at night with her to a bar ONCE and I had to compete with some AMOG hitting on her and getting his hands on her. She wasn't "my girl" so it was a delicate and frustrating situation to navigate. I ultimately just ignored it. I was the one taking her home that night anyway.

Like I said, they do get hit on and very often so it is just annoying radio noise to them. I was dating a stripper for a while who straight up told me complimenting her looks does nothing for. This was a few months into our actual bf/gf relationship. She tells me "I'm sorry if this sounds shitty but you don't need to tell me I look nice. I know I do I get told all the time to the point where it's meaningless to me and borderline annoying." These girls are generally jaded as fuck bout some things.

Social proof is king because it is much harder for hot girls to trust strangers' intentions. The stripper I dated I got with because I met her through friends and they set us up on the date having vetted us both to eachother. I was actually on the phone with her one night after she got out of the club and she was grabbing a quick bite with one of the other dancers before she went home. She got approached while on the phone with me by a couple of wannabe thugs. She kept me on the phone the hold time and handled them very coldly.

They certainly get social media messages and orbiter vying for them non-stop. Average girls get this, so you can imagine that girls with looks that are in the stratosphere are basically treated like a celebrity online.

I also cosign the entitlement and having to put your foot down. These girls are used to getting whatever they want with little to no effort. If you are unimpressed by their bullshit and you actually force them to be a better person by putting in some effort they will appreciate the change of pace and perspective.

Again I'm speaking from experience with typical "hot" girls in the 8 range, not hottest-girl-in-the-club hot.

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Funny thing is I have seen 2s and 3s getting treated like 9s and 10s. Guys complimenting and buying them things just to get laid.

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(12-02-2015 02:13 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  Again I'm speaking from experience with typical "hot" girls in the 8 range, not hottest-girl-in-the-club hot.

Looks wise there are 3 types of girls: regular, cute and hot. Once she's hot it doesn't matter HOW hot she is, she's in the same hot league with other hotties.

Same rules apply, the difference is how hardcore you have be about them. You find it out by checking girl's overall demeanor. Adjust to her attitude. That's the factor. She's popular/bitchy/stuck up she needs more value than comfort [at least at first] so you have to be more tyrant/dictator. She's more shy/nice person she needs more comfort than value so you express the same thing from different more nice angle.

Example..

Let's take "Don't hit on her / stand out / don't validate her / interest without compliments" point. Applies to all. However with stereotypical savvy popular stuck up bitch with an attitude I'd be more challenging, do more push/pull, be more intense to stand out just to beep on her radar and crush that wall of blase indifference. With normal/shy/nice beautiful girl I'd limit my negative expressions, add more humor, come up with interesting topics, still screening her letting her know I'm skeptic and on the fence about her but not being such a dick.

You have to flexible.

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I think some people may be exaggerating here on some areas. The most important part with the 9 is the beginning 2-3 meetings. That stage is crucial.

A 9 may seem common (you always notice beauty), but an average guy in today's world would most likely not date them.

One key difference to note is also that a 9 in a third world non Anglo country is a lot different to a 9 in America or Western Europe. One is that they are constantly taking advantage of their "social situation". What is "social situation"? It's not only the 600 likes on Instagram or Facebook, but more about their ability to manipulate their social surrounding to their advantage. So they would act like they are there to reject you (however it is often the 6s that gives the harshest rejections), as you have to "act tough", "to be a higher roller", in order to make it work. In reality the opposite is true as mentioned above. Obviously in western world you have to play more "standard" game .


Other stuff like using orbiters, femininize the social circle etc. make them seem important. The average guy obviously falls into these traps.
I would say once you gained few years of good experience in gaming, and you get older, it becomes easier to game 9s. As with anything, time and practice and experience improves you.

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I get the whole aloof jerkboy asshole charisma. Chicks love badboys etc, but given my personality, I prefer complimenting women, teasing them and being nice to them. I dont mind opening doors for the ladies, whether they be 9s or 3s. Does that make me beta?

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(12-02-2015 08:26 AM)Pride male Wrote:  I get the whole aloof jerkboy asshole charisma. Chicks love badboys etc, but given my personality, I prefer complimenting women, teasing them and being nice to them. I dont mind opening doors for the ladies, whether they be 9s or 3s. Does that make me beta?

Yes.