There are a number of things that can be considered from the current situation in Europe, and the European governments are directly influencing what is happenning..the coercively engineered migration that is being seen in the UK, France and Germay has been engineered to create civil unrest bordering on civil war.

* it is aimed at causing people to be afraid of the Muslims.

*How the “War on Terror” is orchestrated from abroad and how NATO seeing things through.

*How the war is being waged against civilian populations which aims to divide and conquer all that would oppose a global tyrannical governance.

*How there is no war on terror. There is a war that is using terror proxy groups against nation states that are resisting the United States.

*How there is no such thing as ISIS. ISIS is a creation of the United States, known to us by official military sources and declassified documents.

*How terrorists are coming into countries disguised as refugees to destabilize those countries.

*How this is being used to create “civil war” and social unrest.

*How the media propaganda campaign is used to promote fear to paralyze the people.

*How there may be a new campaign against dissidents. How they are worried about the alternative media who question the state-controlled narratives. Attacking alternative media as “theorists” and a crackdown on those who report rational questioning of the established order.

*How coercive-engineered migration could have been easily prevented.

*How the Military Industrial Complex is profiting from all of this.

*How France and Germany are taking its orders from Washington

If the people do not realize that this is government complicity, then we will find ourselves in a military state.The ultimate aim of all of the above is to gain greater control over the civilian population, before long you will have a chip inserted in your arm so you can be tracked wereever you go ..orwellian... the primary end game is complete control over the worlds population.

(11-23-2015 07:19 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:20 PM)Silvestroyer Wrote:  

Something that people in the Western world and liberal thinker don't understand is the big Putin's appeal among Russians, mostly young people and mostly young women unlike Obama who was mostly a momentum in 2008 and slower in 2012, Putin popularity is constant, what leader has this devotion:



The irony of the whole debate and presidential race in USA is that Trump is the only candidate who understand that Putin is a human being, and is doing the best for his country and people, the idea of a leader placing more importance on the native and what is best for the majority is foreign to many people today, and not what other leader thousand of miles away want, gays are not even 3% of the population and most people don't want their kids being exposed to that, when Russia passes the "anti-gay" law, it is just doing what the majority of the people want, but we are fed by the media that "homosexuality" is the norm and "just like us".

Meanwhile Obama

I'm actually looking forward to Putin invading here.

(11-24-2015 12:46 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 07:19 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

(11-23-2015 03:20 PM)Silvestroyer Wrote:  

Something that people in the Western world and liberal thinker don't understand is the big Putin's appeal among Russians, mostly young people and mostly young women unlike Obama who was mostly a momentum in 2008 and slower in 2012, Putin popularity is constant, what leader has this devotion:



The irony of the whole debate and presidential race in USA is that Trump is the only candidate who understand that Putin is a human being, and is doing the best for his country and people, the idea of a leader placing more importance on the native and what is best for the majority is foreign to many people today, and not what other leader thousand of miles away want, gays are not even 3% of the population and most people don't want their kids being exposed to that, when Russia passes the "anti-gay" law, it is just doing what the majority of the people want, but we are fed by the media that "homosexuality" is the norm and "just like us".

Meanwhile Obama

The discarded Obama election campaign poster sums up Western financial-democracy.

It seems that Putin has started a charm offensive in Europe.

It was Francis Parker Yockey who predicted in 1948 when American international capital and Stalinism had triumphed over Europe that Russia would one day take the mantle of Western civilisation from the corrupt Anglo democratic élites. Just after WW2, it wasn't easy for the average reader to see anything civilised with Russia and his prediction was unpopular.

In the Soros Pussy Riot era against Putin's conservative Russia, one wonders if we are seeing a struggle for the Western soul.

Obama was like fireworks, lots of light and shining stuff but that was it, Obama had 3 mayor players in the 2008 election, the press that worked as his PR agency, Hollywood elite who worked his spoke person, and Wall Street, that was his donor. Add the young people who wanted to be "in the right side of history", he was supposed to be Jesus 2.0 with jetpack.

Obama is the equivalent of the Devil Imho, his whole purpose is to create civil unrest , to marginalize the majority, to support muslims , gays and liberals at any cost, and to try to create conflict with the Russian people who will not listen to his liberal bullshit ..the sooner he is gone , the better for the world at large.

(11-24-2015 12:46 AM)N°6 Wrote:  It was Francis Parker Yockey who predicted in 1948 when American international capital and Stalinism had triumphed over Europe that Russia would one day take the mantle of Western civilisation from the corrupt Anglo democratic élites. Just after WW2, it wasn't easy for the average reader to see anything civilised with Russia and his prediction was unpopular.

In the Soros Pussy Riot era against Putin's conservative Russia, one wonders if we are seeing a struggle for the Western soul.

Long live Third Rome!

Hostage situation underway in Roubaix (near the Belgian border) right now.

Yep. Here we go.

Who could have predicted that? Oh that's right.... Fucking everybody!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34917226

(11-24-2015 03:21 PM)spalex Wrote:  Yep. Here we go.

Who could have predicted that? Oh that's right.... Fucking everybody!

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34917226

Damned workplace violence...

They're go to stick to that 'bank robbery' line to the grim end, even if/when we find out the perpetrators were named Mohamed, Ahmed and Muhammad.

^^^ wow look at the comments on youtube for that band video. a bunch of white kids defending Islam.
'now's a time for mourning, don't turn this into a political argument'.
'what a tragedy, we need to support eachother'.

no anger, no call for change. just complete submission and pussification. I can't believe people are this fucking dumb. Even kids with down syndrome will fight back, but not your highly educated millennial liberal!

That was intense to watch.

One viewer got it right:

Quote:horrific. i think it's clash of two different civilizations . politically correct people are only adding fuel to the fire by not acknowledging the role of radical interpretation of Islam behind these attacks.

Got upvoted over 100+ times.

At least the band will play again and wants to open that music concert again

Someone may have mentioned this, but I didn't see it.

It's Obama's Shock and Awe retaliation strategy for the Paris attack. Take this you bitch ass terrorists:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...errorists/

That's right. Obama has proclaimed this climate change summit a "Powerful Rebuke" to the terrorists.

Someone pinch me. Am I dreaming? Do I still live on planet earth?

(11-25-2015 06:13 PM)robreke Wrote:  Someone may have mentioned this, but I didn't see it.

It's Obama's Shock and Awe retaliation strategy for the Paris attack. Take this you bitch ass terrorists:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...errorists/

That's right. Obama has proclaimed this climate change summit a "Powerful Rebuke" to the terrorists.

Someone pinch me. Am I dreaming? Do I still live on planet earth?

That's their right-wing spin on it. This is why you can't trust biased media sources. I saw the speech in its entirety. Anyone that actually listened to the speech beginning to end without it being filtered though sources like Breitbart wouldn't have come to such an inane conclusion. You'd have to be a real wing-nut to come to the conclusion they did. This isn't me being pro-Obama I'm just telling you that as someone who listened to the entire thing. Especially when spent about half an hour talking about how we will be coordinating with France to fight against ISIS. Brietbart cherry picks one quote out of context to give their audience the red meat they want. I don't care if you like Obama or not, but at least learn the critical thinking skills to know when you're being intentionally manipulated by media.

^ "coordinating attacks" = dropping leaflets and giving them up to 1 hour before bombing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/world/....html?_r=0

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...trike.html

(11-25-2015 06:35 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 06:13 PM)robreke Wrote:  Someone may have mentioned this, but I didn't see it.

It's Obama's Shock and Awe retaliation strategy for the Paris attack. Take this you bitch ass terrorists:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...errorists/

That's right. Obama has proclaimed this climate change summit a "Powerful Rebuke" to the terrorists.

Someone pinch me. Am I dreaming? Do I still live on planet earth?

That's their right-wing spin on it. This is why you can't trust biased media sources. I saw the speech in its entirety. Anyone that actually listened to the speech beginning to end without it being filtered though sources like Breitbart wouldn't have come to such an inane conclusion. You'd have to be a real wing-nut to come to the conclusion they did. This isn't me being pro-Obama I'm just telling you that as someone who listened to the entire thing. Especially when spent about half an hour talking about how we will be coordinating with France to fight against ISIS. Brietbart cherry picks one quote out of context to give their audience the red meat they want. I don't care if you like Obama or not, but at least learn the critical thinking skills to know when you're being intentionally manipulated by media.

I didn't watch the full event, I admit. I don't have time for that. I may check out a bit more because of your comments.

I did watch two excerpts from it including the quote about it being a Powerful Rebuke. I stand that Obama is a joke and this comment of his is also. It's also the manner in which he speaks of the terrorists; there's no conviction, no passion, no anger. I don't expect the POTUS to lose his shit of course, but some kind of righteous indignation would be nice.

Anyone who's been keeping up with this guy can see these terrorist attacks appear to be an annoyance, a distraction to him. Something he's got to reluctantly deal with while he's pushing his broader and in his mind, more important, agenda.

Of course he talked about what the US is going to do to assist France against ISIS at the summit. The attack just happened and the summit was in Paris, where it happened. He had to pay lip service here. I'll wager Obama won't do any more than what is pretty much minimally required in helping France against ISIS. He'll only implement that which is needed to quell the fears and concerns of Americans and show that he's "serious" about combating terrorism.

He's got bigger fish to fry, such as Climate change, pushing the supreme court to prevent there being a moratorium on letting in muslim refugees ( we can't have reactionary backlash against muslim refugees, even after the attacks now) etc.

And finally the actual quote itself: "What a Powerful rebuke it will be to the terrorists it will be, when the world stands as one and shows that we will not be deterred from building a better future for our children"

It's always about the children, isn't it? I think leftists think this utterance trumps everything because who could argue about helping or building a better future for "the children."

It's just weak and a rather unrealistic , ineffective message to send to the Islamic fanatics. It's no rebuke to those who understand only steel, blood and death. If anything, they're laughing at this statement. My original assertion stands.

By the way, I'll take breitbart and a few other "right wing sources" over CNN, which I watch, and many of the major networks, any day.

I usually pick up when I'm being manipulated by the media or they're attempting it. I don't think this was such a time.

There is a nice article about the rise of surveillance and that the authorities are not willing or not able to use the information they already have. Even more, the planer of the attackers gave Dabiq - the Magazine of Dash an interview what he has in mind and how easy it is to fool western governments:

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/sasch...64508.html

Quote:"Allah wählte mich […] aus, zurück nach Europa zu fahren, um Terror zu verbreiten unter den Kreuzfahrern, die einen Krieg gegen Muslime führen. […] Wir verbrachten Monate damit, einen Weg nach Europa zu finden, und mit Allahs Hilfe hatten wir schließlich Erfolg, nach Belgien einzureisen. Wir konnten dann Waffen organisieren, einen sicheren Unterschlupf finden und so unsere Operationen gegen die Kreuzfahrer organisieren. […] Die Ungläubigen stürmten später unseren Unterschlupf mit mehr als 150 Soldaten aus Belgien und Frankreich. […] Die Nachrichtendienste kannten mich, weil ich vorher von ihnen geschnappt worden war. Nach der Erstürmung konnten sie mich direkt mit den geplanten Anschlägen in Verbindung bringen. […] All das beweist, dass Muslime nicht das aufgeblasene Image der Überwachung der Kreuzfahrer fürchten müssen. Mein Name und mein Bild waren überall in den Nachrichten, trotzdem konnte ich in ihren Ländern bleiben, Operationen gegen sie planen und das Land sicher verlassen, wenn es notwendig wurde."

The interview is from february. Abdelhamid Abaaoud say, it was very easy for him to get to Belgium from Syria. Even when 150 soldiers storm his apartment but he had long gone. He claims the government did know him, they know his face, they know about his plans and still nothing happen to him.
Furthermore he say, muslims don't have to fear the fake lies of surveillance because the authorities will do nothing because they are to stupid.
They can not catch the people that they claim to observe, can not claim those people that are fanatics with direct plans for attacks.

This is also what the article say, the government did observe those people, still they cry for more surveillance.
Those terrorist used non scripted messengers, but the government want to track down scripted messengers.

So its the same game again, the government know those people, it knows they are fanatic, it knows they want to commit attacks and still do nothing. At the end they cry for more surveillance. It even doesn't help that the terrorist can relay their plans in their own magazine ahead, still our western authorities will let it happen.

(11-25-2015 06:35 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(11-25-2015 06:13 PM)robreke Wrote:  Someone may have mentioned this, but I didn't see it.

It's Obama's Shock and Awe retaliation strategy for the Paris attack. Take this you bitch ass terrorists:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/...errorists/

That's right. Obama has proclaimed this climate change summit a "Powerful Rebuke" to the terrorists.

Someone pinch me. Am I dreaming? Do I still live on planet earth?

That's their right-wing spin on it. This is why you can't trust biased media sources. I saw the speech in its entirety. Anyone that actually listened to the speech beginning to end without it being filtered though sources like Breitbart wouldn't have come to such an inane conclusion. You'd have to be a real wing-nut to come to the conclusion they did. This isn't me being pro-Obama I'm just telling you that as someone who listened to the entire thing. Especially when spent about half an hour talking about how we will be coordinating with France to fight against ISIS. Brietbart cherry picks one quote out of context to give their audience the red meat they want. I don't care if you like Obama or not, but at least learn the critical thinking skills to know when you're being intentionally manipulated by media.

Here's my take;

Obama spoke frankly about terrorism that's impressive for his normal demeanor on the subject. He came off very middle of the road American for once. In the same turn, while stating some specific actions against IS in the near future, he equivocated and fence road on Islamic extremism as usual. He took a more hardline stance in a minor way at times, but the submissive demeanor remained typical. I wasn't impressed and still left with the conclusion that these people would rather pit western powers against each other in various struggles than erase IS, though easily doable.

A while back, Dalaran posted in this thread that all the dudes he knows in Paris just want life to get back to normal, and none of them seem possessed by a righteous anger and desire for revenge. I noted that this was shameful if true, and that the reaction in the US after September 11, 2001 was completely different: untold numbers of Americans (including guys I knew personally) changed their lives and joined the military, or other government services, to help prosecute the tasks of the hour.

Today, this article in the NY Times suggests that, in fact, much the same thing is happening all over France. Thousands and thousands of Frenchmen are joining the military in unprecedented numbers because they want to fight back, and they want to protect and avenge their country:

Paris Attacks Have Many in France Eager to Join the Fight

Quote:PARIS — The attacks by Islamic State militants in Paris less than two weeks ago have awakened a patriotic fervor in France not seen in decades.

Thousands of people have been flocking to sign up with the military. Local and national police offices are flooded with applications. Even sales of the French flag, which the French rarely display, have skyrocketed since the attacks, which left 130 dead.

“I’ve never seen anything like it,” said Col. Eric de Lapresle, a spokesman for the French Army’s recruiting service. “People are coming in and contacting us in droves through social media, using words like liberty, defense and the fight against terror.”

The surge in France, which no longer has conscription, mirrors what happened in the United States after the Sept. 11 attacks. In the two years after those terrorist assaults, the number of American active-duty personnel rose more than 38,000 to 1.4 million. The reasons many of those young Americans offered for volunteering to serve are echoed by some of their French counterparts today.

A few miles from where gunmen stormed restaurants and the Bataclan nightclub on Nov. 13, recruiters at the Fort Neuf de Vincennes in eastern Paris were deluged the next day with inquiries from young people, former military personnel and even retirees wanting to know whether and how soon they could take up arms.

Typically about 300 people a day seek to enlist in the French Army, Mr. de Lapresle said. Since the attacks, which President Francois Hollande declared to be an act of war, the numbers have quintupled to around 1,500 a day, through visits to recruiting centers and via the web portal sengager.fr.

Jeremy Moulin had been walking with friends near the Bois de Vincennes in Paris when the texts started flashing on his cellphone about the terrorist attacks. On Monday, 10 days after the mayhem, he went to Fort Neuf to ask how quickly he could be in uniform.

“These attacks motivated me even more to protect my country,” said Mr. Moulin, 23, a former legal intern who said he had often thought about joining the army but now is newly determined. “The terrorists struck in the heart of Paris. If we don’t stop them, they will do it again.”

The French Air Force, whose retaliatory airstrikes against Islamic State targets in Raqqa, Syria, were seen in images that went viral on the Internet, has likewise seen enlistment applications soar to about 800 a day from around 200, an air force spokesman said. And the French national police recruitment website was visited more than 13,500 times daily last week, compared with the usual 4,500, while applications jumped to 4,500 from 1,500.

“Young people especially identify closely with what happened,” Mr. de Lapresle said. “The targets at the Bataclan and elsewhere were French youth, and the young are saying they want to do something.”

A 17-year-old interviewed at Fort Neuf said the attacks had shaken him and his family, who live in a working-class Parisian suburb.

“I’m ready to go to war,” said the prospective enlistee, who asked to be called only by his first name, Jeremy, to protect his privacy. Dressed in a blue sports outfit, he had gone that afternoon to the military base for a rigorous physical test to determine his fitness. He applied a month before the attacks, but now, he said, “This has motivated me more than ever to be a soldier.”

There's a lot more in the article, which I suggest you read. There are also some good images of young French dudes who are joining the military:



This guy needs some tips on pullup form but he's getting there:



Maybe the French have a little more in them than just candlelight vigils, after all; and maybe you don't need to be a religious fanatic or driven by some other demented ideology to want to protect your country and fight back against scum who are blowing up your pals and your pussy prospects.

What they're doing is admirable but totally pointless. They will join the army and the army commanded by traitors and cucks will send them to help the Al Nusra Front, Free Syrian Army or any of the moderate beheaders. They would have much more of an impact just by staying home to get rid of their domestic traitors.

Heck, just sparing 5 minutes in December to vote for Front Nationale would have more of an impact.

(11-26-2015 09:23 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  What they're doing is admirable but totally pointless. They will join the army and the army commanded by traitors and cucks will send them to help the Al Nusra Front, Free Syrian Army or any of the moderate beheaders. They would have much more of an impact just by staying home to get rid of their domestic traitors.

Heck, just sparing 5 minutes in December to vote for Front Nationale would have more of an impact.

Precisely. They are enlisting to fight for the right of all the world's scum to come to France unimpeded. If a real resistance to the invasion ever begins to grow among the French people on a grassroots level, they will be asked to crush it with extreme prejudice for the benefit of the very Islamists they are ostensibly joining the army to protect France from.

So no, this is not a good sign. This is a pathetic reminder of just how completely the elite controls the people. The traitors imported millions of thugs and terrorists into France. And what is the response of the French? To huff and puff and volunteer to serve as the traitors' cannon fodder. Slap me and I'll suck your cock harder.

I am frankly losing all empathy for "my" people. The more I see events develop, the harder it is for me not to look at them all as subhumans, incapable of normal human agency. As long as 2 years ago I thought I had already reached the absolute depths of cynicism but the last 6 months have proved me wrong.

HCE, I don't think it's pointless. It's true, of course, that the flow of Muslim migrants into Europe should be stopped; and that any political leadership unwilling to stop it should be replaced. But it's also true that the Islamic State should be destroyed, its leaders killed or captured, and its army, such as it is, smashed to pieces. That is both necessary and easily achievable if the Western powers got at all serious. In fact, the French alone could do it if they so decided and it would not be very difficult.

Beyond that, I don't want to get into an endless political discussion. My point in posting the article was to show that the French men of today, and the younger generation in particular, are not simply a bunch of candle holding surrender monkeys as they are sometimes caricatured to be. They have plenty of fighting spirit, and I have no doubt that when needed they will make much better soldiers than the Islamic "warriors" they're up against (who, incidentally, are legendarily bad and worthless soldiers). And it further shows that it is not necessary for a country or a society to be whipped into a religious or ideological frenzy for its men to be willing and able to stand up for their values, their way of life, and their pussy.

(11-25-2015 04:58 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  ^^^ wow look at the comments on youtube for that band video. a bunch of white kids defending Islam.
'now's a time for mourning, don't turn this into a political argument'.
'what a tragedy, we need to support eachother'.

no anger, no call for change. just complete submission and pussification. I can't believe people are this fucking dumb. Even kids with down syndrome will fight back, but not your highly educated millennial liberal!

Ask any millenial and you will find the draft scares the absolute shit out of them. I tell them dont worry, you could never go. All those pills you took as a kid for adhd and add will kick you out on a medical discharge.

(11-26-2015 09:23 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  What they're doing is admirable but totally pointless.

Why would you say that? Not every young European man is a suicidal fool. Many of them know that civil war is coming, either consciously or instinctively. A soldier doesn't forget how to fight if his allegiance or the direction of his gun changes. If the enemy offers you a gun and training, you smile, say thanks, and wait. Worked for al qaeda. If they're lucky they might end up under a General Franco, and their people will survive to see another century.

A couple years of military training and combat experience, hell even basic training, could come in handy for any French patriots in the future if a civil war ever does happen over there.

"Let's go fight for France in the middle east while our government just buses in terrorists straight into our city centres!"

I admire their fighting spirit but I agree with Fast Eddie and HCE, its not exactly the most effective way to actually combat terrorism, to put it mildly. It can be argued it's not completely pointless but I doubt they're doing it just to gain fighting experience they can use to fight battles at home. I don't think they have thought that far ahead.

I saw a young guy I know from playing football with who used to be in the Navy post a FB status about signing up and fighting again after the terrorist attacks. The guy is bit of a white knight (once got offended and angry at me for making a sexist joke, while the rest of my football team just smirked at me and tried not to laugh too much) and like most people, he isn't politically aware, so I guess he just feels angry and just wants to sign up again and fight terrorism. I guess there are people like this in France as well, I would guess they're mainly just young guys between 16-22 who want to do something to help.

It is good to see reports that they're not all pathetic and weak though.