Post: #51

I think one of the main points that some of us were trying to make is that there is wisdom in the video. Nobody said they agreed with everything in the video but there is some wisdom in the video. It doesn't matter to me if the guy is a fraud or how much he is attacked in this thread because there is still wisdom in the video.

The thread has some good arguments against the literal interpretation of "Life Is Easy" but I agree with Beyond Borders that people might be taking that concept too literally and missing the real message. However, those are reasonable arguments.

What isn't reasonable are arguments that are straw men, ad hominem, and conjecture. It is disappointing to see that here.

Post: #52

Birthday Cat: if you can explain what the wisdom is, in detail with concrete examples, I would be interested in hearing it.

Also, you talk about people in this thread using straw-man arguments and al the rest. Well, be specific. Don't be vauge. We're all reasonable men here and though we might not agree, we're all obviuosly drawn to the discussion for whatever reasons.

I do think Pun-Pun should be held accountable for his mantra of "Life is Easy". He says it so much we could make a drinking game of it.

That said, I'm glad Pun-Pun was able to shift gears to make a success of himself. Guy is ambitious and definately has game to lock down a pretty, young, white SJW. Of course we don't know what their relationship is really like or will be like 5-10 years down the road. Sounds like it may be easy for them.

"Different strokes for different folks", they say and I agree. However Pun-Pun is making a claim that his way is better because the "Easy-Life" is what should be valued. Along with houses and clothes. He does use both as markers for success in describing his city life and country life.

I also felt as if he was faulting the city folk and infering they are really miserable, selfish, materialistic, egotistical, and foolish.

Well, that may be, but is everyone like that? What about the people who live in a big city because they were born and raised there and for them that's what they identify with as home and family?

Again, I applaud Pun-Pun for his success but I don't agree that life's goal is to make it as easy as possible. That's certainly the impetus for many of the inventions we've had, but what about gaining self-knowledge?

What about "know thyself"? I would say there is no more important mission than that and Pun-Pun never even broaches the subject. Why?

Can one only gain wisdom into themselves and thus the universe if they are a sustainable farmer?

Some of the greatest thinkers of all time were quite the opposite. Why is that? Maybe it really doesnt matter what you do. Maybe what matters is to strive and gain insight into why you do. Whether a farmer, a brick layer, a writer, or an emperor.

I understand Pun-Pun might be saying, "We don't need all this stuff to be happy." Well, ok sure, but we all kind of know that already, and if it were true, why wasn't man content 2000 years ago when he had nothing?

Post: #53

I bet birthday cat is a real hit on Facebook and youtube comments

Post: #54

I'm grateful for this thread.

It acted like an electric current for me, really. It allowed me to synthesize some thoughts that I had been thinking about for some time. Here is the final result:

http://qcurtius.com/2015/10/12/my-own-ten-commandments/

It's an important part of my philosophy of life.

Much thanks to all the posters here, especially the ones who disagreed with me.

Funny how that works, isn't it? Conflict does much good, it seems.

Out of the crucible of conflict, a man's senses and views are sharpened, polished, and given final form.

Post: #55

The beta male "vets" on this forum miss the point again. The newbie with 25 posts doesn't.

Post: #56

(10-14-2015 07:41 PM)Gamers Wrote:  The beta male "vets" on this forum miss the point again. The newbie with 25 posts doesn't.

I'll admit it's damn hard to stay focused as watch my girlfriend repeatedly-fucked by strapping alphas like yourself. Must be due to all the sand I get kicked in my face. I'll try a little harder next time.

Post: #57

(10-13-2015 07:14 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Funny how that works, isn't it? Conflict does much good, it seems.

Out of the crucible of conflict, a man's senses and views are sharpened, polished, and given final form.

Who was it who said: "Struggle is the Father of all good things." originally?

Post: #58

I can't address the philosophical points as well as Quintus and AB, and I don't regularly hang out in seedy back alleys filled with con artists and scammers who'll slit your throat at a glance like Beyond Borders does, so I may not be qualified to comment here, but...

How stupid do you have to be to take this guy seriously when he's trying to sell you on a lifestyle of sustenance agriculture rice farming?

Sustenance farming is a horrible, horrible way of life. Short of living in a sewer and sleeping on a bed of your own urine every night, it's about the worst life you can have.

Do you remember learning in school about the horrible working conditions in Industrial Revolution-era factories? 12-hour workdays, lungs turning black from soot, 6-year old boys losing fingers and feet to machines with no safety guards? Did you ever ask yourself, "Why would anybody want to work in those places?"
Here's the answer: because being a poor farmer is even worse.

For starters, farm work, especially rice farming, is literally backbreaking. I once met a 90 year old woman in the Japanese countryside who'd spent her whole life stooped over, planting and picking rice. Her back was permanently bent, to the point where she couldn't stand up straighter than 70 degrees. Her height in that position was something like 4'2''. It looked unbelievably painful.

Second, one bad harvest and you either go into debt, or you starve to death. Tsunami wipes out your crops? You can end up a beggar. Blight or pestilence? Hope your kids weren't planning to eat for the next few months.

And what if you get sick, and have no money to pay for treatment?

Quote:And the last thing is, when I get sick, what will I do? I really worried in the beginning, because when I have no money, what will I do? But I started to contemplate more. Normally, sickness is a normal thing. It's not a bad thing. Sickness is something to remind us that we did something wrong in our lives. That's why we get sick.

So when your wife's dying of the flu 'cause you have no money to pay for medicine, or you spend your days writhing in agony because you need a root canal and can't afford a dentist, take comfort in the fact that it's your fault. You did something wrong, and that's why you're sick.

The man is an obvious huckster, selling the same old "back to nature" BS that con men have been using to part rich Americans from their money for over a century now. If you don't believe me, try going out and starting a small farm yourself, and see if living that way is really "so easy".

Post: #59

(10-14-2015 07:41 PM)Gamers Wrote:  The beta male "vets" on this forum miss the point again. The newbie with 25 posts doesn't.

Do I hear a few boos from the gallery?

Well, why don't you show us loser beta males just how it's done, tough guy!



What points are we missing here?

Maybe you can school us, and tell us what you mean, instead of leaving snide passive-aggressive posts for us to decipher.

I don't mind waiting for your answer.

You got something up your nose? Blow it out, it will do you good. Let's hear what you have to say.

Take a position and defend it to the death. If you don't answer, I'll know all I need to know.

Post: #60

(10-14-2015 07:41 PM)Gamers Wrote:  The beta male "vets" on this forum miss the point again. The newbie with 25 posts doesn't.

Do you do bootcamps?

I look forward to beginning my training with you.

Post: #61

(10-13-2015 12:10 PM)Onto Wrote:  Birthday Cat: if you can explain what the wisdom is, in detail with concrete examples, I would be interested in hearing it.

At 8:11 Jandai gives an example of how people cannot achieve happiness and fulfillment through buying material items. "The most expensive pair of pants cannot change my life." There is wisdom in understanding that happiness cannot be purchased in this manner especially since advertising for consumer products frequently uses psychological manipulation to make people feel inadequate so they will make a purchase. (Something that is outside the scope of this thread but may be interesting to forum members is a documentary titled Consumed where an evolutionary psychologist discusses how the psychology of sex/mating is the primary tool of advertising for consumer products.)

At 9:55 Jandai suggests that sickness should indicate to people that they have done something wrong in their life. Obviously this doesn't apply to all sicknesses but it applies to some. There is wisdom in understanding this concept since the popular thing to do in current western culture is for people to rationalize why their problems aren't their fault. Example - obesity is typically a result of poor eating habits and other lifestyle factors not a result of genetics.

At 10:22 Jandai talks about how relying on oneself for the basic necessities in life reduces fear and increases freedom. There is wisdom in understanding how relying on others, such as government or corporations, is a problem and there is wisdom in understanding the relationship between fear and freedom.

At 14:03 Jandai talks about how he lives his life in a way that is logical to him although it may not be how most people in society live their lives. He says "People can think whatever they want. I cannot manage anything outside myself. What I can do is manage mind." There is wisdom is avoiding social conditioning, seeking the truth, and doing what is best for yourself even if you don't have the approval of mainstream society. Obviously this relates to all of us on the forum that don't accept what society has told us about masculinity, relationships between men and women, etc.

Most importantly, at 3:58 Jandai says that when people have time to be with themselves and understand themselves then they can see what they want in their lives. This is where I have a different interpretation from the other commenters in this thread about Jandai's message. I don't think he is suggesting laziness or endless joy. I think he is suggesting that people need to think critically about their lives. I think he is suggesting that some people, especially in hectic cities like Bangkok or NYC, rush through life and need some time away from the daily grind so they can get their mind into a state where they can have a deeper level of introspection.

Some people might not need to do anything to get their mind in the right place, others might need relaxation, and others might need intense physical exercise. I've done meditation and I've done mental toughness training with military special operations guys pushing me to my limits with fun tasks like push-ups face down in the cold water of a creek at 2am. Both can work and neither are lazy. In my opinion, pushing your mind to relax in order to sharpen your thinking is the opposite of laziness just as push-ups in the cold water at 2am.

(10-10-2015 09:47 AM)Onto Wrote:  It's not to say that Thai guy shouldn't be doing what he's doing, but he's not addressing what's most important, which is engaging the questions of

"Why am I doing what I'm doing?"
"Why do I still feel unfulfilled?"
"What would I need to finally feel fulfilled?"
"If I could achieve that, would I then feel fulfilled forever?"
"If no, then why not?"

I agree with this list and I'm glad Onto gave us these questions. What I disagree with is that Jandai is ignoring these questions just because he doesn't address them specifically in the video. I think Jandai is trying to help people get to a place where they can answer these questions hence "when they understand themself they can see what they want in their life".

(10-12-2015 03:10 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  My own commandments, if you will.

1. You shall not shield yourself from raw experience.

2. You shall not hide from the clash, clang, and roar of life. Instead, you will welcome it.

3. You shall find the nature of that Great Spirit that resides in you.

4. You shall obey the call of that Spirit, wherever it takes you.

5. You shall love passionately, and hate passionately.

6. You shall realize that we are, each of us, alone.

7. You shall not expect your woman to "complete" you, and neither shall you "complete" her.

8. You shall realize that Life is a brutal struggle, and you shall welcome the chance to enter the Great Arena of Life, knowing that the only way to lose is by failing to participate. Pain is good and natural. All honor and glory goes to those who participate with zeal.

9. You shall not expect the other man to be like you, or to "understand" you, on more than a few points. He is he, and I am I.

10. You shall not expect, and shall not seek, a stupefying and illusory "happiness" from the World. You are entitled to nothing except what is in you.

I agree with all 10. What I disagree with is that these commandments and the majority of QC's arguments in this thread are contradictory to Jandai's message. I think Jandai is suggesting that people need to think critically about their lives and that is precisely what QC is doing by coming up with his list of commandments.

I understand that some of you have a problem with the phrase "Life Is Easy" but again I don't think the literal interpretation of that phrase is the message. In my opinion, the message is something more like:

(10-10-2015 02:24 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  if you feel socially obligated or pressured to pursue goals that don't add intrinsic value to your well being and happiness then you should question why.

Post: #62

(10-15-2015 03:24 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  

(10-13-2015 12:10 PM)Onto Wrote:  Birthday Cat: if you can explain what the wisdom is, in detail with concrete examples, I would be interested in hearing it.

At 8:11 Jandai gives an example of how people cannot achieve happiness and fulfillment through buying material items. "The most expensive pair of pants cannot change my life." There is wisdom in understanding that happiness cannot be purchased in this manner especially since advertising for consumer products frequently uses psychological manipulation to make people feel inadequate so they will make a purchase. (Something that is outside the scope of this thread but may be interesting to forum members is a documentary titled Consumed where an evolutionary psychologist discusses how the psychology of sex/mating is the primary tool of advertising for consumer products.)

Advertising's magic is not in making people feel inadequate. Everyone already does. A well advertised product gives the viewer an answer to what is already missing. A well crafted or needed product needs little advertising. And of course sex sells. Anything that symbolizes the infinite is going to sell, it's what everyone is seeking.

I don't buy expensive clothes, vinyl records, guitars, or other things because I think they will change my life. I spend more on a particular thing because I appreciate the quality of it.

For example: There is a very real difference between a $300 tightly knit cashmere hat from Jay Kos and a $5 NYC hat from the street vendor. My $300 hat lasted me over 10 years and because I'm bald the feel and how well it works is important.

Vinyl Records: There is a very big difference between a 1st pressing of "Kind of Blue" and a 1980s re-pressing. Like night and day.

Guitars: Well-built guitars allow you to play to your full potential and their sound is significant. Granted some people pay $250 for a pair of jeans that are ripped and looked like mine did after years of wear. But is that because they feel it will make them happy?

I don't think it's the case. I think they buy those jeans and "fashionable" stuff because of what it symbolizes. It speaks to them in some way so they buy it. Much like when someone buys a DVD of a favorite movie they won't watch often. The movie resonates with them so they buy it and keep it on display with the rest of their collection.

(10-15-2015 03:24 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  At 9:55 Jandai suggests that sickness should indicate to people that they have done something wrong in their life. Obviously this doesn't apply to all sicknesses but it applies to some. There is wisdom in understanding this concept since the popular thing to do in current western culture is for people to rationalize why their problems aren't their fault. Example - obesity is typically a result of poor eating habits and other lifestyle factors not a result of genetics.

Like what? A hangover.

I don't think anyone blames their fatness on genes and nothing else and it is true that people's bodies differ along with it's ability to metabolize. There are a lot of sickness and injury that occur from genetics, environment, occupation, and plain bad luck.

(10-15-2015 03:24 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  At 10:22 Jandai talks about how relying on oneself for the basic necessities in life reduces fear and increases freedom. There is wisdom in understanding how relying on others, such as government or corporations, is a problem and there is wisdom in understanding the relationship between fear and freedom.

Doesn't a farmer rely on the weather? Isn't Mother Nature kinda whimsical?

I don't think workers are relying on corporations. People are free to develop a skill set and offer it in the market for compensation. This a simple barter system. Whether its for eggs or money.

If there were no corporations, people would build a business of their own, that if successful gets so big it becomes a corporation. Where do you think these corporations come from?

Granted there are a lot of people on welfare relying on the gov to pay for everything, and I do agree that welfare, when abused, dulls the human spirit.

(10-15-2015 03:24 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  At 14:03 Jandai talks about how he lives his life in a way that is logical to him although it may not be how most people in society live their lives. He says "People can think whatever they want. I cannot manage anything outside myself. What I can do is manage mind." There is wisdom is avoiding social conditioning, seeking the truth, and doing what is best for yourself even if you don't have the approval of mainstream society. Obviously this relates to all of us on the forum that don't accept what society has told us about masculinity, relationships between men and women, etc.

Sounds like something a woman would say. "Whatever, haters, I just do what I want"

(10-15-2015 03:24 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  Most importantly, at 3:58 Jandai says that when people have time to be with themselves and understand themselves then they can see what they want in their lives. This is where I have a different interpretation from the other commenters in this thread about Jandai's message. I don't think he is suggesting laziness or endless joy. I think he is suggesting that people need to think critically about their lives. I think he is suggesting that some people, especially in hectic cities like Bangkok or NYC, rush through life and need some time away from the daily grind so they can get their mind into a state where they can have a deeper level of introspection.

Time to be with yourself? You're with yourself every moment of the day. You don't need to go to the woods for that. While a change of jobs, city, etc. can be good for a person, there's truth in the saying, "Wherever you go you take yourself with you."

Many people are quite at home in NYC and Bangkok, much more than they would be in the country or as a farmer. There are so many different occupations and lifestyles the Self has developed. Do you really think it doesn't know what it's doing?

Of course people need a break. Remember that catchy song from the hit TV show Cheers? Probably the most successful them song in history. Geez, I wonder why?

Because the promise of freedom from one's finitude SELLS. Always has and always will. Have a listen. You can almost hear Pun-Pun in the chorus.

(10-15-2015 03:24 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  Some people might not need to do anything to get their mind in the right place, others might need relaxation, and others might need intense physical exercise. I've done meditation and I've done mental toughness training with military special operations guys pushing me to my limits with fun tasks like push-ups face down in the cold water of a creek at 2am. Both can work and neither are lazy. In my opinion, pushing your mind to relax in order to sharpen your thinking is the opposite of laziness just as push-ups in the cold water at 2am.

Agreed, "Different Strokes for Different Folks." So thank you Pun-Pun for sharing your story of success, but I have my own and it just happens that it's different from being a sustainable, organic, fair-trade, cage-free farmer.

Granted it's not the easy life, but I've learned a lot from it.






I'm starting to think instead of paying $6,000/plate to listen to Pun-Pun talk one could just listen to 80's TV theme songs.

(10-15-2015 03:24 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  

(10-10-2015 09:47 AM)Onto Wrote:  It's not to say that Thai guy shouldn't be doing what he's doing, but he's not addressing what's most important, which is engaging the questions of

"Why am I doing what I'm doing?"
"Why do I still feel unfulfilled?"
"What would I need to finally feel fulfilled?"
"If I could achieve that, would I then feel fulfilled forever?"
"If no, then why not?"

I agree with this list and I'm glad Onto gave us these questions. What I disagree with is that Jandai is ignoring these questions just because he doesn't address them specifically in the video. I think Jandai is trying to help people get to a place where they can answer these questions hence "when they understand themself they can see what they want in their life".

If you're not addressing them specifically, it doesn't count. He has it backwards anyways. It's when you try to see your life (the wants, the regrets, what's great, what's missing) you begin to understand yourself. It's what's referred to as self-reflection.

Post: #63

Damn, what a thread.

I don't get the hostility towards this guy. It isn't like there is some new concept being dropped into the world every day. Most of the things being taught have been taught, for a long time, in different ways, by different people.

People learn differently and the message being taught in a different manner may be the catalyst to the "ah, gotcha" moment. Look at how many "Learn Spanish" types of products out there.

I don't think most guys here are the target for this type of speech. It's easy to downplay it when it's something many here has been preaching for some time. Same goes with the whole women pua shtick. Most of what I read here was something I learned through simply being a social type of guy. Yet many guys have never been exposed and found many of the concepts I took for granted as something new and exciting.

Is this information less valuable because they purchased a book on pua?

I don't think so if it led to wisdom that helped them. I have seen this plenty of times in many different areas. Anywhere from marketing, real estate, health, weight loss, etc... It's typical to see people yell scam when it's something being sold that they already knew.

Again, those yelling scam isn't the target for that knowledge.

There are a lot of people who need a wake up call. We have more and more people surviving on chemical cocktails to get through the day. All because they were told that living a certain way was normal. We understand this, we already talk about this, but many don't even know there are other ways to live.

Post: #64

I don’t want to get into a extensive debate over every point Onto made in his post (post #62) because some of that will start to get too far outside of the scope of this thread but I want to show that some of those arguments are:

1. Contradictory to viewpoints that are frequently discussed on this forum and ROK --- suggesting that nobody blames their obesity of genetics and nothing else --- fat acceptance has been discussed many times here. This thread was started a few days ago with this comment in the original post “Fatties and their sympathizers constantly screech about how active they are, so the surplus weight must be genetics”.

2. Taking things out of context --- arguing for why workers don’t rely on corporations because they could possibly become entrepreneurs --- my argument was about people relying too heavily on government and corporations for the basic necessities of life such as housing, food, and medicine.

3. Arguing over semantics even though English isn’t Jandai’s first language – I think it is clear that when Jandai says “time to be with yourself” he means taking time to focus or think clearly without distraction.

…

I think one of the more important points is how this video relates to consumerism. I’m not sure which concepts Onto and I agree or disagree on but I want to address one important aspect of consumerism. Much of the advertising of the last 100 years purposefully exploits people’s insecurities in order to influence purchasing decisions, so regardless of whether or not people already feel inadequate that is how advertising works and it does make some people feel much more inadequate. This is standard practice and common knowledge to people with an in-depth knowledge of advertising or psychology. It is a fact and not just my opinion.

For more information on this, check out the documentaries Consumed or The Century Of The Self. Both are free on youtube and have been mentioned in the forum. One of the key people that changed advertising in the last century was Edward Bernays who believed (along with his uncle Sigmund Freud) that humans were dangerous and irrational therefore they needed to be manipulated and controlled. They believed that putting people on a metaphorical hamster wheel of chasing status through consumer products was one way humans could be controlled. There is a summary of Bernays on Wikipedia and his book Propaganda can be downloaded for free online. PM me if you cannot find any of these for free.

…

One reason I’m so passionate about this debate and continue to engage, even though I’m a relatively new member to the forum and people are subtly suggesting that I’m a SJW sympathizer, is because I believe that many of Jandai’s comments in the video are similar to concepts we discuss on the forum.

Jandai says “People can think whatever they want. I cannot manage anything outside myself. What I can do is … manage my mind".

Some people might think that comment sounds like something an irrational woman would say. I believe it sounds like something an intelligent person with knowledge of psychology or eastern philosophy would say. I believe it sounds like something that someone who understands red pill truths would say.

(04-24-2013 09:10 AM)gandt Wrote:  Doing things that do not make you happy just for the sake of gaining external approval is insane.

Don’t concern yourself with what other people think of you or think is “good for you”.

How do you feel about yourself is the most important thing… Nothing else matters.

Give others the choice to be a part of your life… or not, but you will not bend.

...

So I appreciate the part of this debate that has been about our interpretation of what Jandai says. For example, I may not agree with QC's interpretation of Jandai's comments but I'm glad we discussed it because that led to QC making some excellent points. The fact that we agree on things like QC's commandments is far more important than if we agree on the true intentions of some guy in rural Thailand.

The part of this debate that I'm not as happy about are the implications that Jandai is some raging SJW who complains about western/white privilege and that I'm some kind of SJW sympathizer for supporting Jandai's comments in the video. Those ideas are simply incorrect.

Post: #65

(10-18-2015 12:33 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  Jandai says “People can think whatever they want. I cannot manage anything outside myself. What I can do is … manage my mind".

Some people might think that comment sounds like something an irrational woman would say. I believe it sounds like something an intelligent person with knowledge of psychology or eastern philosophy would say. I believe it sounds like something someone from our community would say.

(04-24-2013 09:10 AM)gandt Wrote:  Doing things that do not make you happy just for the sake of gaining external approval is insane.

Don’t concern yourself with what other people think of you or think is “good for you”.

How do you feel about yourself is the most important thing… Nothing else matters.

Give others the choice to be a part of your life… or not, but you will not bend.

I disagree and I think Kipling has it right.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;"

Post: #66

Birthday Cat, your constant cringeworthy use of the name "Jandai" as if you can just use it and hammer it like you do is, all by itself, sufficient to mark you as an SJW, and possibly a female one at that.

Post: #67

Lizard of Oz - I don't understand what you mean about how I use the name "Jandai". I'll admit that my writing could use some improvement so maybe that leads to some misinterpretations.

I'm far from an SJW. I just think we have different interpretations of the video. I've tried to explain that several times already so I won't beat a dead horse.

Post: #68

(10-18-2015 01:25 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  Lizard of Oz - I don't understand what you mean about how I use the name "Jandai".

By harping on this exotic swindler's proper name, you are none too subtly instructing us to treat him with the respect you imagine he deserves -- and that is an SJW/female move par excellence.

Post: #69

Referring to someone by their last name is standard practice in some industries/organizations so I don't think there has to be a hidden message. However, this is a forum with it's own culture so you make a valid point. Thanks for the feedback.

Post: #70

Why listen to that Thai dude ( Jon Jandai ) when we have Varg Vikernes?





Way better off-the-grid lifestyle than an SJW/SWPL Thai village made of mud huts.

Quintus Curtius, what do you think?

Post: #71

^ Notice how in the beginning he honestly states "it's a harder life". He would like to be income-independent, but he's realistic about how difficult that really is if you want a certain quality of life.

Post: #72

(10-18-2015 01:05 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  Birthday Cat, your constant cringeworthy use of the name "Jandai" as if you can just use it and hammer it like you do is, all by itself, sufficient to mark you as an SJW, and possibly a female one at that.

Don't SJW's also throw out accusations to try and shut down discussion that they don't agree with?

Post: #73

(10-18-2015 05:40 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(10-18-2015 01:05 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  Birthday Cat, your constant cringeworthy use of the name "Jandai" as if you can just use it and hammer it like you do is, all by itself, sufficient to mark you as an SJW, and possibly a female one at that.

Don't SJW's also throw out accusations to try and shut down discussion that they don't agree with?

Yeah, they sure do -- but since I'm not one of them, I don't know what to tell you. Furthermore, my comment is an observation, not an "accusation," and I could give a shit about "shutting down discussion."

Post: #74

(10-18-2015 06:02 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  Yeah, they sure do -- but since I'm not one of them, I don't know what to tell you. Furthermore, my comment is an observation, not an "accusation," and I could give a shit about "shutting down discussion."

Wordplay now? This is forum. We like discussion here. If you don't like it you don't need to be here. PM the dude if his use of the man's name upsets you.

Post: #75

(10-18-2015 06:21 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  This is forum. We like discussion here. If you don't like it you don't need to be here.

Thanks for informing me of these facts, worldwidetraveler.