Post: #26

Quote:Riding the same dick gets boring, and you will not be there all the time to watch her. Sometimes it's not even about you getting more beta. Girls sleep with beta guys while being with an alpha all the time just because they can, they like the drama. How many of you have slept with a girl belonging to a more alpha guy?

Where can I find the 'not sure if serious' meme?

Post: #27

(10-02-2015 03:36 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

Quote:Riding the same dick gets boring, and you will not be there all the time to watch her. Sometimes it's not even about you getting more beta. Girls sleep with beta guys while being with an alpha all the time just because they can, they like the drama. How many of you have slept with a girl belonging to a more alpha guy?

Where can I find the 'not sure if serious' meme?

It appears he's serious but regardless. I actually had the same initial reaction you did, until I started thinking through the paradox. Alpha is very situational.

You can be more Alpha than another guy simply because of novelty. This is actually a great example of the complicated nature of women's attraction triggers.

Her husband might be taller, better looking, more in-shape. He might have more money. He might be more successful. He might be more socially adept. Women love Hubby and are jealous of Wifey, except...

"But the spark just isn't there anymore, ya know?!"

And here comes Dick from accounting...in most settings far more beta than Hubby, but he has a certain charm (divorce young and swallowed the red pill

Dick just seemed to have something about him. He did this interesting Cube thing where he told me all about myself, it was scary how insightful he is.

Dick is a chump compared to Hubby...usually.

Post: #28

Let's analyze the meme in detail of what went wrong - it's a bit more complicated than Alpha/Beta frame which can have several definitions:



His errors in chronological order:

1. She pressed for marriage - he caved in. Big error - marriage is like the ultimate reward to a woman in our times. Frame was lost there already.

2. She wanted kids ASAP - likely old enough to feel the pressure already - he likely married someone at 30 or older. Frame error again - he should have decided himself - he is the man.

3. He was working at his computer and let himself be talked down. Fuck that - you do what you think you need to do. Even the yard chores shown can be done by her. What kind of bitch stays at home, but cannot walk the dog or water the lawn? Also if you don't want to operate the lawnmower, then buy yourself a robot- those are exceedingly safe nowadays.

4. Men provide - that is what HR departments know. Married men will work their asses off. That's something that they will gladly do. But what happened next is that in addition to working late, he had to take care of the children.

5. "Doesn't give enough attention." is hamster code to: "He doesn't give me tingles." Of course he doesn't, since he caves into your frame non-stop. As a Red Pill Alpha he would have barely married her and you would be his submissive sex-slave and would not be able to make him your bitch.

6. The affair is something that is missed by most Beta males with zero Game. But try doing it to a Game aware Alpha. After some time we have a sixth sense and slut radar. Also a woman who gets regularly fucked well has little need for adventure sex unless she is deeply broken from the start.

7. Next error is his despair and bewilderment and her stupid explanations of "making her feel special". It's all bullshit of course.

8. Then comes the next surprise as he finds out why they call it divorce rape. She enjoys her lifestyle while he lives alone in a small one-bedroom masturbatorium. Essentially he pays her to get fucked by other guys in his own bed while his children listen to it all.

As Red Pill men with Game none of those things come as a surprise. If anyone can make it work in the current times, then it is us. However even I won't marry myself - I want to have children, but they are going to be bastards - heh.
It's a world for bastards anyway - they will feel right at home.

Post: #29

This is right, I think- most guys are too busy with important things related to work or family to care much about where to eat, what TV show to watch, etc., and there is a resulting slow and insidious transfer of power. This is what I believe happened to me in my last LTR, until before I knew it I was being yelled at, criticized, and not allowed to make any decisions. The only thing that saved me is that she crossed a line and attempted something that she thought she could get away with (stealing my phone to look for incriminating texts and emails) and I ended it. But it was really my fault- she wouldn't have even attempted such a stunt if she had any respect for me, or felt like she couldn't get away with it. Goes to show the importance of maintaining autauthority. That being said, sometimes it's just too tiring to have to make all of the decisions or have a strong opinion of every little thing. It would be nice to coast a little sometimes.

Post: #30

(10-03-2015 01:08 PM)Stirfry Wrote:  This is right, I think- most guys are too busy with important things related to work or family to care much about where to eat, what TV show to watch, etc., and there is a resulting slow and insidious transfer of power. This is what I believe happened to me in my last LTR, until before I knew it I was being yelled at, criticized, and not allowed to make any decisions. The only thing that saved me is that she crossed a line and attempted something that she thought she could get away with (stealing my phone to look for incriminating texts and emails) and I ended it. But it was really my fault- she wouldn't have even attempted such a stunt if she had any respect for me, or felt like she couldn't get away with it. Goes to show the importance of maintaining autauthority. That being said, sometimes it's just too tiring to have to make all of the decisions or have a strong opinion of every little thing. It would be nice to coast a little sometimes.

It's only tiring in the beginning. You read Rollo Tomassi's stuff, you study Game and the basics and then you apply it your personality with women. After a transitional period you are a different man. Game and frame control should be part of our dealing with women and is thus relaxed. Also you find that acting that way is more fun with women than the "coasting". It's essentially more relaxed and anything can be fun. "Woman, go fetch me a beer and put on some sexy skirt with no underwear while you do it!" That will completely change the tone vs. her finding chores for you to do.

Post: #31

(10-02-2015 01:21 AM)mntrsx Wrote:  How about leaving to another country when the wife wants to divorce and take your money? runaway is the best option

Easier said than done.

-If you own a house, especially with a lot of equity in it, good luck.
-If you have 401K, IRA and other retirement accounts, cashing out will cost you 10% penalty + income tax.
-Even with regular bank accounts it's not so easy. Many men are stupid enough to share access to their accounts with their wives, so she will be able to instantly see if you try too deplete it (or deplete it before you do). Even if you keep all the savings in your own account, you need another bank account in a foreign country to transfer money. As a US citizen, good luck opening a bank account abroad. Also, transferring a large sum of money across the border is not easy. Any transaction over $10K raises red flags.

-Many countries have divorce/child support/alimony agreements with the US, so your money may not be safe there regardless.

The best solution is to not get married. Want kids? Have them out of wedlock.

Post: #32

Having kids out of wedlock in the West is pretty costly too.

CleanSlate and Zelcopion posts get two thumbs up from me. Only thing I would add is that if you want to make sure your wife doesn't cheat, don't allow her the freedom of opportunity to do so.

Don't allow her to be in a position where she could be tempted. Human beings are self-indulgent sinners by nature, especially women. The only way to prevent her from cheating is to remove the situations where she could be tempted by another man.

It's really that simple.

But that means being "controlling", and not allowing her to do whatever she wants and with whoever she wants. It means she doesn't have her "own life", her "freedom", "independence", and "career".

Most western men won't be able to control a western woman in such a way. He's been culturally programmed from birth not to. Most western men even think it's wrong not to allow a woman to have her freedom to work, to vote, have her own friends, girls-night-out, and all the rest.

It's no wonder Western men are getting fucked over. They've stopped believing in themselves.

Post: #33

(10-03-2015 01:44 PM)Onto Wrote:  Having kids out of wedlock in the West is pretty costly too.

Yeah, if you're going to do that, make sure it's in a country that has no child support agreements with the US.

I wouldn't be surprised if I do this in my lifetime.

Post: #34

(10-03-2015 02:01 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 01:44 PM)Onto Wrote:  Having kids out of wedlock in the West is pretty costly too.

Yeah, if you're going to do that, make sure it's in a country that has no child support agreements with the US.

I wouldn't be surprised if I do this in my lifetime.

Me too, and if you think about it, it's really more of a humanitarian act to have a child in some 3rd world county and then provide for it so it will have a much better life there than if their Father had been a poor local instead.

You can still keep in contact with them as much as you like, and provide as much as you like. The key is that it's your decision and that family will probably be more appreciative and loving because they are getting what most don't and they don't want it to go away, so they will treat you with the respect a Father/Provider deserves.

In the West, children and women don't appreciate much of what a Father does. They feel entitled to it, with an attitude of "Well he has to give us money, or the court will make him or throw him in jail. He has no choice, in fact I should be getting more."

What a different mindset it is to be raised in the West. I would never want to raise a child here again.

Post: #35

(10-01-2015 05:43 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(10-01-2015 04:52 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  and sharing ideas about what those steps might be based on experiences well...that's all we can do, right?

That, and discuss how to choose wisely.

Yes but wouldn't choosing wisely fall under the "attempts to minimize the risk"? Even attempting to choose wisely aren't foolproof as for the most part I would think no one goes into marriage thinking "what a shitty choice for a spouse I've made"

Post: #36

(10-03-2015 07:05 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(10-01-2015 05:43 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(10-01-2015 04:52 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  and sharing ideas about what those steps might be based on experiences well...that's all we can do, right?

That, and discuss how to choose wisely.

Yes but wouldn't choosing wisely fall under the "attempts to minimize the risk"? Even attempting to choose wisely aren't foolproof as for the most part I would think no one goes into marriage thinking "what a shitty choice for a spouse I've made"

Of course. I thought that went without saying, but perhaps I should have been more clear... my bad.

Any time we choose a spouse, there is inherent risk, whether or not she is from the West. I would love to see a thread that discusses in depth how to mitigate those risks by eliminating women who display certain red flags, personality traits, and particularities of their family backgrounds.

I did try starting such a thread, but I think it was a poorly worded one. It was about detecting whether she was putting on an act or not, but I don't think it was as clear as it could be. It was still a productive thread, though.

Post: #37

(10-03-2015 01:44 PM)Onto Wrote:  Don't allow her to be in a position where she could be tempted. Human beings are self-indulgent sinners by nature, especially women. The only way to prevent her from cheating is to remove the situations where she could be tempted by another man.

It's really that simple.

But that means being "controlling", and not allowing her to do whatever she wants and with whoever she wants. It means she doesn't have her "own life", her "freedom", "independence", and "career".

Most western men won't be able to control a western woman in such a way. He's been culturally programmed from birth not to. Most western men even think it's wrong not to allow a woman to have her freedom to work, to vote, have her own friends, girls-night-out, and all the rest.

It's no wonder Western men are getting fucked over. They've stopped believing in themselves.

+1 for the quoted part.

But is it really bad to let the girl have her own female friends?

Post: #38

(10-03-2015 08:39 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  But is it really bad to let the girl have her own female friends?

Not as long as they aren't the slutty, swinger, or feminist types. She listens to her friends, and if her friends are toxic, then she'll get poisoned, too.

Post: #39

(10-03-2015 08:45 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 08:39 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  But is it really bad to let the girl have her own female friends?

Not as long as they aren't the slutty, swinger, or feminist types. She listens to her friends, and if her friends are toxic, then she'll get poisoned, too.

If she has slutty toxic friends then you shouldn't be in a LTR with her - let alone marry her.

Also if she has girls nights outs at clubs and bars and wants to take trips to Vegas, then of course she is not a viable candidate for any LTR.

I don't think that it is necessary to control anything. In my opinion a LTR-worthy woman should also accept a lot of the Red Pill - actually many women do - they may not like all areas, but they should acknowledge it. Mate-guarding or limiting her freedom is neither good nor necessary. IF you are afraid of her cheating on you after having born a child, then you have picked badly and there is little that you can do then. Might as well go look for a younger hotter girlfriend and wait until she files for divorce.

Post: #40

I would rephrase the title of the thread since they don't really cheat on the Alpha, they simply "stop coming over" to his crib when it's time to lock down a good provider since... they pretty much see the wall coming and know damn well that they won't need to lift a finger to snag the nice provider up. And then they'll be sure to pop the kid to justify the weight gain!

Post: #41

Thread derail;
Is this another one of that guy's alt accounts? "Minter Sucks"?
Was thinking it was another from the "No heels" thread.

Post: #42

(10-03-2015 08:39 PM)Cheetah Wrote:  

(10-03-2015 01:44 PM)Onto Wrote:  Don't allow her to be in a position where she could be tempted. Human beings are self-indulgent sinners by nature, especially women. The only way to prevent her from cheating is to remove the situations where she could be tempted by another man.

It's really that simple.

But that means being "controlling", and not allowing her to do whatever she wants and with whoever she wants. It means she doesn't have her "own life", her "freedom", "independence", and "career".

Most western men won't be able to control a western woman in such a way. He's been culturally programmed from birth not to. Most western men even think it's wrong not to allow a woman to have her freedom to work, to vote, have her own friends, girls-night-out, and all the rest.

It's no wonder Western men are getting fucked over. They've stopped believing in themselves.

+1 for the quoted part.

But is it really bad to let the girl have her own female friends?

Thanks for the rep pt. I think her friendships should mostly be in relation to her marriage. For example, she's friends with Betty, who along with her husband Joe, play cards with you on Saturday's or whatever.

It's ok for her and Betty to go grocery shopping together, or have lunch together.

I'm more talking about her other friends like slutty Suzie who really wants a wing-girl to go out do things with and eye on attracting men along the way.

Ideally, you marry someone when you're ready to have a family so your wife will be so busy raising your children, taking excellent care of you and your home, and helping with the administrative tasks of your business interests that she really won't have much down time for anything else that doesn't involve you.

A wife should never feel bored, you need to keep her busy and engaged with lots of things to do for the betterment of your marriage/family.

The point I'm really trying to make is, when it comes to fidelity, it's less about picking the right woman and more about controlling her environment.

There's a common belief she will only cheat if we're not Alpha enough, or if she was a slut deep down to begin with, and all we need to do to prevent the infidelity is to pick well and always game her.

This belief brings comfort we can have control of the feminine's whimsical ways, but I think it's a false comfort because all women will cheat if given the right circumstances, because it's human nature to give in to temptation. Men too.

Temptation is so "humanly" natural that it's what's used as a test to differentiate men from hero's. Whether it's Ulysses resisting the siren song, or Jesus resisting the temptations offered by the devil.

Men have the capacity to resist temptation, to subscribe to morality, which is a masculine trait. Women don't, which is why we rarely, if ever, see any stories of heroines overcoming temptation. For women, morality and resisting temptation just isn't primary for them as it is for us.

Post: #43

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Post: #44

First, marriage isn't a "step in the life", it is the ultimate reward that a woman can get for being a good virgin faithful girl that knows how to cook / massage / do something intelligent / isn't Western.

Second, the problem is related to the marriage laws in many countries. Especially in the West, it is easy to get divorce raped. Men should always make sure that an attorney took care of the paperwork to make sure that his assets remain his, and this has to be cleared BEFORE marriage. She's free to leave anytime, but will get nothing from him. Never purchase a property under both names.

Third, most married couples do not understand this simple principle: when you have kids, you can't terminate the relationship. A girl who would accept to destroy the family that I built on the basis that "she doesn't love me anymore" doesn't deserve my time.

Fourth, it is the man's job to propose, not the girl's job to ask. A reward is earned, not asked for. When the woman demonstrated enough value, the man will accept to give her what she was looking for.

Post: #45

(10-03-2015 01:08 PM)Stirfry Wrote:  This is right, I think- most guys are too busy with important things related to work or family to care much about where to eat, what TV show to watch, etc., and there is a resulting slow and insidious transfer of power. This is what I believe happened to me in my last LTR, until before I knew it I was being yelled at, criticized, and not allowed to make any decisions. The only thing that saved me is that she crossed a line and attempted something that she thought she could get away with (stealing my phone to look for incriminating texts and emails) and I ended it. But it was really my fault- she wouldn't have even attempted such a stunt if she had any respect for me, or felt like she couldn't get away with it. Goes to show the importance of maintaining autauthority. That being said, sometimes it's just too tiring to have to make all of the decisions or have a strong opinion of every little thing. It would be nice to coast a little sometimes.

I had a similar recent experience. One moment, she was telling me that I treat her like a princess.....the next moment she is on my ass about watching a football game instead of talking intently with her. I finally just walked away. Maybe if my LTR game had been tighter, I would still be hanging out with her. But, oh well, there are more where she came from.