Post: #51

You say America is being turned into a third world country and then right after that you mention Singapore? ... First of all it's not comparable because of obvious size reasons. And even if it was, the whole USA would probably wish they were as developed as Singapore, though likely without the draconian laws.

They have "no business" being here? They have probably about as much business being there as the white colonizers who arrived there and killed the natives and took the land for themselves. The USA also has the effect of "americanizing" immigrants which does help in it's own way. I'm not saying one has to endure mass immigration but if things are done in phases it does help. And I'm obviously not saying give welfare to everyone. Make it based on merit. I just look at the USA and think it has got to be one of the worst examples in the world for restricting immigration. A nation of immigrants. That's like me being "racist" when my country is a mix of Celts, Latins/Romans, Jews, Moors/Arabs/Berbers, Germanics/North Europeans. In short, somewhat nonsensical.

(09-29-2015 09:35 PM)EL CHAPO Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 08:27 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  Why does America have to be "white"? When I think of the US I do not think about "white". I think just about every ethnicity.

The issue at hand is not exactly one's ethnicity but rather the ideology one brings. I have no problem with Arabs/Pakis, whatsoever, but if Islam is attached, there is the ideological problem right there.

From the beginning of America all the way up till 1880, the country was 80 to 90% white and 10 to 20% Black. From 1880 up until 1965 it was approximately 84 to 87% White, around 9 to 13% Black, and 3 to 8% Hispanic. That's what America was. Whites and Blacks, and to some extent Hispanics are really the only groups who have a stake in America to call home. America is only a couple hundreds years old and created the most prosperous society on earth and its minorities produced American heroes like Martin Luther King Jr., Malcolm X, Jackie Robinson and Cesar Chavez and Roberto Clemente.

These were the groups that helped create America from the bottom up and made it what it is today. I am perfectly fine with having an America be majority white with a Black and Hispanic minority because that's what its always been. I don't agree with a Hispanic majority either. Indians, Chinese, Koreans, Pakistanis, Lebanese, Arabs have no say nor should they cry racism because they didn't built this country. Yes and this includes Africans coming from Africa demanding affirmative action too post 2000.

Hell I'm even going to broaden it. This whole continent belongs to the groups who built it, which are Mestizos, Whites and Blacks, because you know we Blacks were brought here against our will and were forced on plantations all over the Americas. Everything from Canada all the way down to the southern tip of Chile and Argentina was built by these three groups. Asians and Middle-Easterners have no business being here.


What is happening now though, with the opening of the floodgates from people coming in from third world cultures is basically transforming America into another country entirely. In this case its China and India. In 200 years, America will look like Singapore with Indians and Chinese speaking English and with a Hispanic minority. Blacks and whites will be extinct.

Something's got to give. We can't have this anymore. We're about to lose our country, thanks to traitorous and greedy politicians and the elite.

Sorry if I sound too harsh, its just what I believe.

Post: #52

(09-29-2015 05:48 PM)EL CHAPO Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 05:29 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(09-29-2015 05:19 PM)Fortis Wrote:  ^ Not entirely true. I've heard stories about Hmong, Vietnamese and Cambodian immigrants who can be rather tough to deal with out on the west coast.

^ This is also not entirely true.

Seeing as I grew up and lived "on the west coast" for a LONG time, to know that Hmong (who either usually live in Northern California - Crescent City, or in the midwest) Vietnamese - I grew up with a lot of them and they usually go the highest grades in school, learned English, and changed their names to English Names (along with the Chinese immigrants who did the same thing)

I don't know about cambodian immigrants because I never see them.

the only thing that could be "tough to deal with" is that for the most part, they aren't pussified paragons of PC, SJW Bullshit many people have become.

These people do a lot better than Mexican immigrants, period.

You found the one video of Dudes holding ups guns on youtube and want to label Asian imigrants as violent? wtf You haven't even LIVED "On the west coast."

Basically its like this, if you EVER get into a situation with "Asian gangs" then it's entirely 100% YOUR fault. Asians don't just act all aggressive unless you fuck with them, just like everyone else.

I've gone into "Asian neighborhoods" a LOT , many times for work. . .and I've NEVER ran into "These guys" seriously dude, I'm all for curbing illegal immigration of every kind, but pushing the whole "Asians are violent" angle. . .is too much of a stretch to take seriously.

I've lived in LA for two years and its bad out there, why do you think I left? Latino gangs, Asian gangs, Black gangs.

My problem is not pushing some sort of "Asians are violent" angle. My concern is immigration period. Even if its just a little crime, why are we bringing in crime period? This goes for all immigrant groups (Hispanics, Asians, Middle Eastern) whatever. How about 0% crime? We already have a gang problem of our own with Black Americans, you and me know this better than anyone. Why do we need to keep adding on more crime from anybody? Even if its "just a little crime".

Also, I don't want the U.S. turning into a mini Asian country.

I say the EXACT SAME THING regarding the white people who retire in my country AS A JOKE. They congregate in Irish pubs (which I really appreciate them setting up), stick to their kind (sound like your typical San Fran Chinamen?), and plow local women (well... plenty to go around anyways).

But on a serious note though, I really think this multi-cultural thing is bogus when the issue is actually the quality of immigrants they let in. If you are well read, traveled and a working professional, and what your government does is letting in massive amounts of low quality labor / migrants (which is also happening in my country --- not referring to the white people by the way; its the south Asian population I'm talking about here) to fuck you over in the next election polls. THATS what you should be pissed about. Imagine those immigrants in US having the right to vote and they vote against Trump.

Had they been strict with the policy, letting people over a certain amount of net worth into the country, would you still feel the same?

Post: #53

The main issue I see is that the Asians will take over all the high paying fields in 2 generations. They are already like 25% of the Ivy League and that will continue to grow. They will dominate the finance and IT sectors. We'll still have a white ruling class, but the professional class will be mostly Asian. Whites will be resigned to construction and the like.

Post: #54

Lemon icecream,

You still seem to believe the 'we are nation of immigrants so we may as well accept more, and have no right to stop it' propaganda. Along with the 'diversity is inevitable' propaganda.

Most other posters here don't believe in that, or no longer believe in that anymore.

That's probably where your difference in opinion comes from.

Post: #55

(09-30-2015 05:15 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  They have "no business" being here? They have probably about as much business being there as the white colonizers who arrived there and killed the natives and took the land for themselves. The USA also has the effect of "americanizing" immigrants which does help in it's own way.

How are you going to bring up the biggest population collapse in history due to immigration as a reason to have more immigration?

"Hey guys, look at all this depressed alcoholics whose only industry is gambling combined with massive tax breaks. Well, that's what you have to look forward to because of immigration!"

Post: #56

(09-30-2015 06:29 AM)uptownguy Wrote:  The main issue I see is that the Asians will take over all the high paying fields in 2 generations. They are already like 25% of the Ivy League and that will continue to grow. They will dominate the finance and IT sectors. We'll still have a white ruling class, but the professional class will be mostly Asian. Whites will be resigned to construction and the like.

Why is that necessarily a bad thing if its not through affirmative action from government policies? Meritocracy makes sure the best out of ANY race gets the job. This policy has made US and Singapore where they are today. It's the affirmative action that ensures selected group admissions that fucks it up.

Post: #57

Welp, as an Asian American born to legal and naturalized immigrants to this country who's trying to get the most out of this forum[/align]...



Don't get me wrong, the rate at which FOBs have flocked here to try and use our higher education system is both indicative of the profit motive driving our university system, as well as a sign of the clear dysfunction in the education systems back in the home countries, where a single test determines your position, job, and social status (at least in China and India). Often it's the repulsively rich and ostentatious elite of Party officials (in the case of China).

Post: #58

Damn son, the wind is not even very strong right now but I'm pretty sure that strawman would fly right away

(09-30-2015 07:01 AM)kleyau Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 05:15 AM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  They have "no business" being here? They have probably about as much business being there as the white colonizers who arrived there and killed the natives and took the land for themselves. The USA also has the effect of "americanizing" immigrants which does help in it's own way.

How are you going to bring up the biggest population collapse in history due to immigration as a reason to have more immigration?

"Hey guys, look at all this depressed alcoholics whose only industry is gambling combined with massive tax breaks. Well, that's what you have to look forward to because of immigration!"

Post: #59

I honestly wouldn't cite the hot girls as possible plus as some of these FoBs are the nerdy ones whom are thin but have some horrible facial genes. It isn't all its cut out to be. That and they date in if they are first generation and have tight social circles which I haven't even broken into. This coming from a guy who broke into the hot Indian girl and Persian circles.

Post: #60

For you "enjoy the decline" guys, you should be demanding that the only immigrants allowed into the country are young girls in their prime.

We already have enough dudes in the US of every stripe and women are more willing to assimilate to their man and his homeland's way of life than most foreign men.

Post: #61

(09-30-2015 10:57 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  For you "enjoy the decline" guys, you should be demanding that the only immigrants allowed into the country are young girls in their prime.

We already have enough dudes in the US of every stripe and women are more willing to assimilate to their man and his homeland's way of life than most foreign men.

Exactly. Women usually take on the ideology of the man.

Notice when white girls date Black men, they have a little bit of swagger and even start sounding Black themselves.

Also when white girls date Latino men, you see the girls dancing salsa, talking Spanish, making Mexican food, etc...

Asian, Latina and Black women who date white guys are usually the white washed types and take on the ideology of the white guy.

Almost rarely does the man take on the ideology of the woman, unless of course you're name is Jeb Bush where you clearly see him take on the ideology of his Mexican wife, with his Spanish speaking, Catholic converting, Latin American studies majoring and ultra-beta ass.

Post: #62

(09-30-2015 07:18 AM)DrugAdvisor Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 06:29 AM)uptownguy Wrote:  The main issue I see is that the Asians will take over all the high paying fields in 2 generations. They are already like 25% of the Ivy League and that will continue to grow. They will dominate the finance and IT sectors. We'll still have a white ruling class, but the professional class will be mostly Asian. Whites will be resigned to construction and the like.

Why is that necessarily a bad thing if its not through affirmative action from government policies? Meritocracy makes sure the best out of ANY race gets the job. This policy has made US and Singapore where they are today. It's the affirmative action that ensures selected group admissions that fucks it up.

Who gives a fuck exactly why or how you got dispossessed? At the end of the day, you are dispossessed, and that's a bad thing. Westerners have this stupid ideological way of looking at the world. Fuck the ideology. Look at the outcome. If an ideology leads to you/your people being worse off, then that ideology should be shunned. In this case, if the combination of Asian immigration + meritocracy leads to Americans losing out the most desirable positions and declining in socioeconomic status, then clearly you have got to say fuck it to either Asian immigration or meritocracy.

And for what it's worth, I have heavy yellow fever and pursue Asian girls exclusively.

Post: #63

(09-30-2015 11:10 AM)EL CHAPO Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 10:57 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  For you "enjoy the decline" guys, you should be demanding that the only immigrants allowed into the country are young girls in their prime.

We already have enough dudes in the US of every stripe and women are more willing to assimilate to their man and his homeland's way of life than most foreign men.

Exactly. Women usually take on the ideology of the man.

Notice when white girls date Black men, they have a little bit of swagger and even start sounding Black themselves.

Also when white girls date Latino men, you see the girls dancing salsa, talking Spanish, making Mexican food, etc...

Asian, Latina and Black women who date white guys are usually the white washed types and take on the ideology of the white guy.

Almost rarely does the man take on the ideology of the woman, unless of course you're name is Jeb Bush where you clearly see him take on the ideology of his Mexican wife, with his Spanish speaking, Catholic converting, Latin American studies majoring and ultra-beta ass.

I can attest to a former russian gf of mine taking up spanish as a result of her relation with me.

Post: #64

(09-30-2015 10:57 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  ...women are more willing to assimilate to their man and his homeland's way of life...

My way of life is to bang as many hot, young Asian girls as possible.
Unfortunately, getting them to adapt that view and embrace it has so far proven to be difficult.

Post: #65

I agree with Fast Eddie. Thats why I like Trump. He wants to make this a good place for the people already here rather than pursue some ideological fantasy like most politicians.

Post: #66

Can't talk of America, but in Canada Asians combined make up the second largest ethnic group after European descendants (close to 13% of the population) and they're nothing but a boon to the economy. Skilled immigration isn't a zero sum game.

Again to reiterate, skilled points based immigration Canadian style, I'm not sure as to what Asian immigration is like to the US in comparison.

Lost my virginity to an Indian girl, I've got a soft spot for them.

Post: #67

(09-30-2015 01:30 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Who gives a fuck exactly why or how you got dispossessed? At the end of the day, you are dispossessed, and that's a bad thing. Westerners have this stupid ideological way of looking at the world. Fuck the ideology. Look at the outcome. If an ideology leads to you/your people being worse off, then that ideology should be shunned. In this case, if the combination of Asian immigration + meritocracy leads to Americans losing out the most desirable positions and declining in socioeconomic status, then clearly you have got to say fuck it to either Asian immigration or meritocracy.

And for what it's worth, I have heavy yellow fever and pursue Asian girls exclusively.

A fat ugly masculine woman could say the same thing about being dispossessed by thin pretty feminine girls. I'll rewrite what your wrote in bold from the perspective of a fat ugly masculine woman:

"In this case, if the combination of thin pretty feminine girls + meritocracy leads to fat ugly masculine women losing out the most desirable men and declining in sexual market value, then clearly you have got to say fuck it to either thin pretty feminine girls or meritocracy."

Saying "fuck it" to meritocracy also runs counter to the core neomasculine belief of self-improvement, espoused by this forum's creator:
6) Self-improvement (weightlifting & fitness | individual responsibility | hard work ethic | lifestyle optimization): http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-neomasculinity#6

Post: #68

(10-01-2015 01:44 AM)262 Wrote:  A fat ugly masculine woman could say the same thing about being dispossessed by thin pretty feminine girls. I'll rewrite what your wrote in bold from the perspective of a fat ugly masculine woman:

"In this case, if the combination of thin pretty feminine girls + meritocracy leads to fat ugly masculine women losing out the most desirable men and declining in sexual market value, then clearly you have got to say fuck it to either thin pretty feminine girls or meritocracy."

Saying "fuck it" to meritocracy also runs counter to the core neomasculine belief of self-improvement, espoused by this forum's creator:
6) Self-improvement (weightlifting & fitness | individual responsibility | hard work ethic | lifestyle optimization): http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-neomasculinity#6

What else would you expect from a newbie original poster of this thread who has contributed zero value to game & self-improvement aside from societal complaints thus far....

Post: #69

(10-01-2015 01:44 AM)262 Wrote:  A fat ugly masculine woman could say the same thing about being dispossessed by thin pretty feminine girls. I'll rewrite what your wrote in bold from the perspective of a fat ugly masculine woman:

"In this case, if the combination of thin pretty feminine girls + meritocracy leads to fat ugly masculine women losing out the most desirable men and declining in sexual market value, then clearly you have got to say fuck it to either thin pretty feminine girls or meritocracy."

Saying "fuck it" to meritocracy also runs counter to the core neomasculine belief of self-improvement, espoused by this forum's creator:
6) Self-improvement (weightlifting & fitness | individual responsibility | hard work ethic | lifestyle optimization): http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-neomasculinity#6

Dude are you even paying attention? Fat chicks ARE waging a war against thin chicks. Roosh is waging a war against SJWs. This is a culture WAR. You fight for your side. You don't say, "hmmm, you know meritocracy is really the ideal we should strive for." Self Interest over Ideals. Of course you try to improve yourself, but that doesn't preclude keeping the immigrants OUT.

Post: #70

(10-01-2015 06:31 AM)uptownguy Wrote:  Dude are you even paying attention? Fat chicks ARE waging a war against thin chicks. Roosh is waging a war against SJWs. This is a culture WAR. You fight for your side. You don't say, "hmmm, you know meritocracy is really the ideal we should strive for." Self Interest over Ideals. Of course you try to improve yourself, but that doesn't preclude keeping the immigrants OUT.

Yes, that actually was my point. Fat chicks and SJWs are also placing self-interest over meritocratic ideals. And now we're living with the results of meritocracy being thrown out.

Let's flip the script. Going with "self-interest over meritocratic ideals," then what prevents broke/unemployed basement-dwelling video-game/porn addicts from thinking that due to their "victim" status, they deserve super model girl harems - and you don't?

That world doesn't work either.

Post: #71

(10-01-2015 01:44 AM)262 Wrote:  

(09-30-2015 01:30 PM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  Who gives a fuck exactly why or how you got dispossessed? At the end of the day, you are dispossessed, and that's a bad thing. Westerners have this stupid ideological way of looking at the world. Fuck the ideology. Look at the outcome. If an ideology leads to you/your people being worse off, then that ideology should be shunned. In this case, if the combination of Asian immigration + meritocracy leads to Americans losing out the most desirable positions and declining in socioeconomic status, then clearly you have got to say fuck it to either Asian immigration or meritocracy.

And for what it's worth, I have heavy yellow fever and pursue Asian girls exclusively.

A fat ugly masculine woman could say the same thing about being dispossessed by thin pretty feminine girls. I'll rewrite what your wrote in bold from the perspective of a fat ugly masculine woman:

"In this case, if the combination of thin pretty feminine girls + meritocracy leads to fat ugly masculine women losing out the most desirable men and declining in sexual market value, then clearly you have got to say fuck it to either thin pretty feminine girls or meritocracy."

Saying "fuck it" to meritocracy also runs counter to the core neomasculine belief of self-improvement, espoused by this forum's creator:
6) Self-improvement (weightlifting & fitness | individual responsibility | hard work ethic | lifestyle optimization): http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-neomasculinity#6

Let me paint you a picture. You have a nice house and a nice sexy wife. You're a strong believer in meritocracy and place ideology above all else. So when a 6'4, jacked NFL player asks to live in your nice house with your sexy wife you enthusiastically proclaim "Cuck yes!" and shortly thereafter end up with your ass beat on the street while the NFL player is banging your wife, just like you always knew would happen. Meritocracy at work, the better man won. Who are you to complain, right? Sure, you could have simply said "nah bro, this is my house, find your own" and still had your nice house and your sexy wife, but what is that worth compared to being ideologically sound, right? If it works in theory, who cares about what happens in practice!

Fuck the ideology, bro. Look at the outcome. If you have serious reason to believe that the combination of Asian immigration + meritocracy will lead to you losing your $500k IB job and working at McDonald's for $20k, you should NOT support the combination of Asian immigration and meritocracy. End of story. I'm not going to bother discussing the merits or demerits or fairness or other bullshitry. As you said, the focus on this forum is self improvement. If something leads to you being worse off, then that goes against self-improvement, nay?

So if the combination of Asian immigration and meritocracy makes you worse off...........................I'll let you finish.

Post: #72

(09-30-2015 06:29 AM)uptownguy Wrote:  The main issue I see is that the Asians will take over all the high paying fields in 2 generations. They are already like 25% of the Ivy League and that will continue to grow. They will dominate the finance and IT sectors. We'll still have a white ruling class, but the professional class will be mostly Asian. Whites will be resigned to construction and the like.

Asian's have a soft quota of 20% in the ivy league, which they have been capped at for 20 years now. If you are looking for who 'dominates' ivy league enrollment, look no further than Jews.

Read Ron Unz's work on the quota issue and who is really over-represented.

Post: #73

It's called the Myth of American Meritocracy for anyone interested.

Post: #74

Do people seriously think that asian immigration will make America into Singapore?

Do Asians in America vote for anything like Singapore's ideology?

No. They lean democrat.

Post: #75

(10-02-2015 07:42 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  Do people seriously think that asian immigration will make America into Singapore?

Do Asians in America vote for anything like Singapore's ideology?

No. They lean democrat.

Singapore has a number of very leftist policies well to the left of American Democrat-party policies that Asian-Americans supposedly support.

Healthcare, retirement scheme, compulsory savings rates, insane taxation on cars are just some examples.