Post: #51

(10-17-2016 08:20 AM)klosck Wrote:  According to the esoteric concept of Polarity, anything that brings a benefit, also carries an equal and opposite downside. This also applies to technology. Try to think of any technological innovation which this doesn't apply to: cars pollute , computers make us more sedentary, etc etc

If this is true, then it might also be true that Society doesn't decline or progress based on technology alone. Rather the real factors of progress are determined by changes in human consciousness.

Modern medicine saves lives, but ultimately leads to the weakening of the gene pool.

Hard drugs (which are, in fact, a technology) make you feel good, but cause addiction and other social problems.

The "esoteric concept of polarity." That's what I was getting at in this thread. I didn't realize it had a name.

Post: #52

the ascent of society is mainly due to technology. Society is not declining. Well, it's declining (slightly due to globalisation) for the top 10-2% (lower/middle class in Western countries). But for the world's rich, and the vast majority, it is improving massively.

The basis of a nation is not the family unit. It is the economy. If the economy is strong, society improves.

Post: #53

I'm a bit on the ropes in that sense,evolution is inevitable an dit often take strange turns,I for one am not overtly fond of the technologization gopingt on which is becoming anachronic of penny sci fi novels of the 50's and the cyberpunk but then again I do use and abuse the resources offered by the internet and other gadgets.

Though I am not quite ready to let go of the flesh just yet, the adrenaline,the joy,the rage,the smells..!
This does worry me now as I am wanting to sire some children and I ask myself how technology will make their growth different from mine (then again,story of every generation,right?).
Though I grew up in a urban environment my early reality had been quite physical,had a geeky period but came full force back on the physical eventually. My bird had an even more hands and feet on dirt and twigs upbringing than mine and is quite fond of physical engagements and critters so agan,I wonder if our combined emphasis on the physical will prove a conflict in the raising of children in a progressively virtualized society (provided it doesnt go haywire and on to mad max levels).

EDIT & addendum:
To cite an example,I was wonderiing how many people already of my age have absolutely no idea what a cow really looks like,and some people my age that i know who have children are teaching them to use tablets before they are even able to learn to speak.
Now here is what concerns me,I remember how We Ambulance who served in armed forces said [i["in a crisis ,you don t raise to the challenge,you revert to basic training"[/i]
Now as I understand it,childhood is the primary basic training, you learn what are your physical limts,how hierarchy is established,how to react.etc
How would an adult that as a child was never exposed to say,animals or situations of physical challenge but instead to using touch screens and phones react to encountering a potentially dangerous animal such as a bear or a boar?

Post: #54

(12-23-2016 08:11 AM)elRey Wrote:  The basis of a nation is not the family unit. It is the economy. If the economy is strong, society improves.

You're absolutely wrong. The US economy during the 1960s was at its strongest, and yet societal values and morality declined.

(12-23-2016 03:54 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  Money (and gold, diamonds, precious metals, etc.) only has value because we say it does. If enough people were to stop accepting it as currency, it would be worthless. If you're rich but you don't have survival skills, you are dependent on the global economic system. You cannot survive without it. Even somebody that knows a trade (e.g. auto mechanic) is still dependent on there being someone willing to hire him. That is why there is no substitute for survival skills (i.e. hunting, combat/firearms training, cooking, outdoor camping and backpacking, etc.) and friends/family you can trust.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't focus on making money. You just need to have a backup plan. I just feel like you're not really a man if you are dependent on a system of men who you don't even know for your own (and your family's) survival.

PS: If anyone thinks I am describing a doomsday scenario that will never actually happen, just look at the Great Depression. That happened less than a century ago. Many hard-working responsible men were suddenly unable to support their families because the system, which they had no control over, had failed them.

"But Rob, the Great Depression only happened once. That was the first time in history that an economic depression of that magnitude affected so many people."

Exactly, because prior to the Industrial Revolution, most men still had survival skills. Even if most men had jobs and depended on someone else for income, you did not see entire societies turning over control of their lives to the system, like you saw post-Industrial Revolution.

Post: #55

I am damn glad to be alive in December 2016.

Technology is a tool which makes many things in life easier - and sometimes more interesting. I find that if you are a proactive man dedicated to self-improvement then almost everything works to your advantage. Life is always throwing challenges at you in many different ways and our ancestors have always found a way to survive. Stop throwing up your hands and wishing we could undo anything. Even if it were desirable it would be impossible.

I share many of the typical manosphere views about the changing nature of society - it's decline if you will, for example the negative behavioural changes of western women - and men - in the last several decades. We cannot change that on the societal level. Our duty to ourselves is to be the best men that we can possibly be and get out there into the world to do as well for ourselves as we can. In that way we can perhaps serve as role models for others.

It is certainly true that in the last several decades the pace of societal change has accelerated - largely due to technological developements. This has produced a more challenging environment, but accepting challenge and overcoming it is part of what being a man is about.

Post: #56

^

Post: #57

It's not technology per se, but instead Modernity that has ruined society. Modernity as defined as a rejection of the traditional world and a prioritization of the individual above all else. Roosh spoke a bit about this in his first podcast. We have certainly reaped the benefits of Modernity, such as technology, the ease of travel, the fact that we all live better than the kings who lived more than a 100 years ago. Modernity has unshackled individuals from community, heritage, and religion so that we can pursue our gratification and find our true selves without any reference to tradition.

Modernity is what has led to globalization, diversity, and secularization dominating the West. Without those we probably wouldn't even need Game or the Red Pill.

Post: #58

↑ I don't think you can really separate the two (modernity and technology). Modernity and technology go hand in hand. Modernity is not possible without technological advancement. Prior to the Industrial Revolution and the advent of modern technology, we needed religion, community, tradition, etc., in order to survive. Any woman who attempted to live a "feminist" lifestyle would simply not be able to support herself.

You can't have modernity (as you describe it) in a world without modern technology. And I also believe you can't have modern technology without influencing society to reject traditional values and accept modernity. Sure, some events (such as the election of Trump) can slow down the march towards modernity and globalism, but ultimately, it would be very hard (if not impossible) to get society to embrace traditional values in a technologically advanced world.

(12-27-2016 06:20 PM)MarkVG Wrote:  ...the fact that we all live better than the kings who lived more than a 100 years ago.

I've heard this before, and I'm not sure I agree. Sure, the average person today lives better than a medieval king, if you define "living better" to mean having an easier, more comfortable life with access to modern technology and modern medicine. However, if you define "living better" as having a meaningful life, having the freedom to fight for what you believe in, being free from globalist control of your life, living in a society that believes in traditional values, finding a good woman, etc., then a medieval king (or any respectable person from that time period) lived far better than almost everyone alive today.

Like I've said before, technological advancement solves some very important problems, but it also creates new problems. I don't think it is possible to get around this. In my opinion, anyone who believes it is possible to avoid the downsides of technology is just as wrong as anyone who believes that "socialism will work this time." Human nature simply doesn't allow for it.

Sure, you can get some people to believe in "red pill" ideas, but there is no way to get society at large to re-embrace traditional values in a technologically advanced world, in my opinion.

Post: #59

^This is why the direction of the world and "prophecies" are so plainly obvious and true --- but note that so many people have rejected tradition and virtue that they are currently unaware and will be even more clueless as things unfold right before their eyes, as we see currently. The Matrix is here in so many ways but without the background to really understand the meaning of it all, it just seems like another fantasy for the mass man to entertain himself with. There are a few waking up to things just "not being right" ... they have a glimpse inside them to figure out where to seek virtue ... and I think with patience and a good heart they will find it.

Post: #60

I always like when this topic comes up, as it allows me to repost this superb text by the Lizard which serves as a perfect antidote to this particular -and especially destructive- part of the mythology of decline

Don't Lose the World Because of Ideology

(09-20-2015 06:02 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  
...look around you. You are privileged to be in an indescribably beautiful, indeed mystical place: a perfectly air conditioned city gym with top 40 music playing in the background. I'm not even going to lecture you about gratitude; I'm not even going to bore you with a long discourse (all of which would be true) about how centuries of work, of thought, of human (male) ingenuity have gone into making every single apparatus you see arrayed before you, how physicists had to invent the beautiful ideas of thermodynamics and engineers had to slave to put those ideas to use to design devices that maintain the ideal temperature for human beings to live and thrive in; how the cloying confectionary strains of "top 40 music" were optimized by canny and skillful operators over time to achieve a kind of sublime banality. I'll even spare you the harangue about the amazing, and constantly improving, materials that went into making your Under Armour tanktop a kind of weaponized weightlifting uniform. Relax -- you've been spared all this.

But look around you. Do you see the mixed raced hottie with her ass in yoga pants bending over, stretching, and seating herself on a pussy machine so that her pussy can get just a little tighter? Do you see the Misc-reading IRT perform his deadlifts with inspiringly terrible form, essentially trying to wreck his delicate subcontinental frame in his terrible quest for muscle; do you see the fag and his mincing bicep curls; do you see the gutted out contractor who looks 60 if he's a day actually squat 225 to the absolute paused bottom for 15 brutal reps? DON'T you see all these things? Don't you see the insane, endless, magical variety of life around you -- life that, as Henry James said, is no illusion, no phantasm, no evil dream of a night. Life that is as real and as authentic as any ax wielded by any fool in Siberia or elsewhere -- indeed, more glorious, more interesting, more various than any of these villagers could ever conceive of. Don't you see it?

Look around you. Technological advancement, the progress won by centuries and centuries of men's toil and creativity, has not made life less "real", less "genuine", less meaningful -- it has added to the beauty, to the variety, to the comedy of what we are privileged to experience at all times. An air conditioned gym is every bit as much a part of "nature" as any stretch of Siberian tundra; it is nature transformed and enlivened by the most singular and superb of nature's creations, the human being. Don't let mere ideas, in their heated thinness, cause you to lose the world. Welcome experience as it comes, and give it what it demands; don't be so absorbed in your thought -- so often futile and devoid of reality -- that the very ground on which you walk becomes abstracted and unreal, that you fail to see the hottie in yoga pants, and also the ill-fated IRT, the fag, and the contractor. Don't lose the world -- it is as worth living in and attending to as it ever was; more so if you ask me. Give life as it is a chance, in all humility; and it will reward you a thousandfold.

Post: #61

Agreed, don't lose sight and hope, but the fact still remains, atomization is real.

Post: #62

Technology has nothing to do with the decline. Even if there were no technology advancement we would still be corrupt. We are losing morals. Everyday. The movies. Are shit. In 100 movies launched every year 5 are bearable. And what about the children movies. Were the female character is the hero. Went to see petit prince with my kid. And it´s a girl the main character. The boy actually is a loser. With a mope. Shitty awful propaganda.

Also after reading the hollywood thread I look at actors and think they are faggots who sucked dick to be there. And it disgusts me. I like to see 80´s/90´s movies.

Technology is good. But needs to be regulated to be beneficial to the people. For fuck sake the people. The mob. It´s for them. Not for companies. This fad about startups is ridiculous. Everyday crazy evaluations. Where does the money come from? Injecting millions in a bunch of spoiled nerd brats.

One thing which is clearly lacking in tehcnology is privacy. But you can regulate it. Governments don´t because they enjoy. The level of info governments have would make a nazy wet dream. And everybody acts like this isn´t a problem.

Post: #63

(12-28-2016 09:06 PM)chakalaka Wrote:  Technology has nothing to do with the decline.

So you think it is a mere coincidence that the so-called decline began right after the Industrial Revolution, and that said decline seems to accelerate as technology advances?

Sure, in theory we should be able to "regulate" technology so that it doesn't lead to social and moral decline, but in theory we should also be able to make socialism work by "regulating" the economy.. In practice, though, you can't regulate human nature away.

Post: #64

(12-28-2016 10:23 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  

(12-28-2016 09:06 PM)chakalaka Wrote:  Technology has nothing to do with the decline.

So you think it is a mere coincidence that the so-called decline began right after the Industrial Revolution, and that said decline seems to accelerate as technology advances?

Sure, in theory we should be able to "regulate" technology so that it doesn't lead to social and moral decline, but in theory we should also be able to make socialism work by "regulating" the economy.. In practice, though, you can't regulate human nature away.

Other empires have fallen. And I don´t think it was because of any technology advancement. Technology is a good thing. A very good thing. It allows me to write in this forum. And gather incredible knowledge. Specially military technology. If in the future we could have only robot wars. And the losses be only economically. This would be great.
There were a group of people in the last century who were against technology. They would go around putting bombs in factories. I already googled them. But can´t find their name. We have to understand as a society what´s happening. And create solutions. Just because it has the word startup the nerds think they don´t have to respect the rules. Same line of thought than China.

Post: #65

(12-29-2016 05:54 AM)chakalaka Wrote:  Other empires have fallen. And I don´t think it was because of any technology advancement. Technology is a good thing. A very good thing. It allows me to write in this forum. And gather incredible knowledge. Specially military technology. If in the future we could have only robot wars. And the losses be only economically. This would be great.
There were a group of people in the last century who were against technology. They would go around putting bombs in factories. I already googled them. But can´t find their name. We have to understand as a society what´s happening. And create solutions. Just because it has the word startup the nerds think they don´t have to respect the rules. Same line of thought than China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Simply opposing technology itself is almost always going to be counterproductive and hopeless. However, sometimes advances in technology are combined with political or other forces to screw one group to the advantage of another ... and opposing that, on the part of the group getting screwed, is only logical. Case in point, advances in transportation and communication allow US business owners to arbitrage much lower labor rates overseas. The businesses profit greatly, the overseas labor profits some, the US labor gets crushed. The people taking advantage will always paint any critics as Luddites, and probably mention buggy whip manufacturing or something similar. Debates are at the level of sound bites and quips (or memes) and reality is much more complex.

Post: #66

Much like the domestication of animals by humans, we humans have now been domesticated by technology. Our reliance on tech has created a dependence thus that we have lost our innate ability to survive in the wild.

Although the rational optimist in me likes to believe that there is no other better time in history to be alive, it is pretty hard to argue the fact that we as a society have irreversibly hitched our wagon to the machines, and in the same way that our pets if released into the wild will almost certainly die, if our technology ever fails us we too will not survive. A few stragglers may be able to eek out an existence and save the species, but 99% of us will simply disappear, probably quicker than you would think.

From a cultural aspect however, my opinion is that the actual decline in society is mainly due to the cult of materialism, which is merely facilitated by technology. Doesn't have to be that way though; that I believe IS reversible.

Post: #67

(12-27-2016 09:51 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  I've heard this before, and I'm not sure I agree. Sure, the average person today lives better than a medieval king, if you define "living better" to mean having an easier, more comfortable life with access to modern technology and modern medicine. However, if you define "living better" as having a meaningful life, having the freedom to fight for what you believe in, being free from globalist control of your life, living in a society that believes in traditional values, finding a good woman, etc., then a medieval king (or any respectable person from that time period) lived far better than almost everyone alive today.

Like I've said before, technological advancement solves some very important problems, but it also creates new problems. I don't think it is possible to get around this. In my opinion, anyone who believes it is possible to avoid the downsides of technology is just as wrong as anyone who believes that "socialism will work this time." Human nature simply doesn't allow for it.

Sure, you can get some people to believe in "red pill" ideas, but there is no way to get society at large to re-embrace traditional values in a technologically advanced world, in my opinion.

Poppycock with this BS nostalgia for bygone eras.

I've got journals from 17th and 18th century family members living in Europe. They were truly depressing miserable bunch. All of them had 8-9 kids, only 2 or 3 survived between all of them.

They lived subsistance life styles. The only time they were truly happy was during a wedding celebration.

Other times, they were writing about how scared they were when easternly winds blew, trying frantically to explain their child's death using astrology, and praying daily.

Technology solves as many problems as it creates. If you time warped to your era of choice you wouldn't be complaining about feminism and societal decay, you'd be complaining about the high infant and female mortality rate, the lack of decent food, or the landed gentry consuming 70% of your income.

In fact, i'd wager to guess that you'd rather have bitchy women and pointless divorces over the daily occurences of death, war, and famine. Personally, i know I would.

This really goes to show that the creature comforts of today really shouldn't be afforded to most of the population. Frankly they don't deserve the gifts of our technological eden if allv they're going to do is whine and complain.

Post: #68

(12-29-2016 10:15 AM)WhatTheFuck Wrote:  Much like the domestication of animals by humans, we humans have now been domesticated by technology. Our reliance on tech has created a dependence thus that we have lost our innate ability to survive in the wild.

Although the rational optimist in me likes to believe that there is no other better time in history to be alive, it is pretty hard to argue the fact that we as a society have irreversibly hitched our wagon to the machines, and in the same way that our pets if released into the wild will almost certainly die, if our technology ever fails us we too will not survive. A few stragglers may be able to eek out an existence and save the species, but 99% of us will simply disappear, probably quicker than you would think.

From a cultural aspect however, my opinion is that the actual decline in society is mainly due to the cult of materialism, which is merely facilitated by technology. Doesn't have to be that way though; that I believe IS reversible.

Explain to me how you can have materialism without technology? At its core materialism cannot exist unless you can produce large quantities of stuff - which itself is not possible without technologic innovations. In fact I would argue that technological innovations inherently lead to materialism through the consolidation (smaller workshops getting closed down as large factories are able to produce at lower costs), which then leads to needing to have planned obsolescence so that large consolidations can get bigger and bigger every year and needing a marketing department to sell this crap to the masses.

Post: #69

(12-30-2016 05:07 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 10:15 AM)WhatTheFuck Wrote:  From a cultural aspect however, my opinion is that the actual decline in society is mainly due to the cult of materialism, which is merely facilitated by technology. Doesn't have to be that way though; that I believe IS reversible.

Explain to me how you can have materialism without technology? At its core materialism cannot exist unless you can produce large quantities of stuff - which itself is not possible without technologic innovations. In fact I would argue that technological innovations inherently lead to materialism through the consolidation (smaller workshops getting closed down as large factories are able to produce at lower costs), which then leads to needing to have planned obsolescence so that large consolidations can get bigger and bigger every year and needing a marketing department to sell this crap to the masses.

I actually agree with you. What I meant is that technology isn’t inherently bad. It’s currently leading to a decline in society because we are using it to facilitate materialism, which is a neverending treadmill of buying stuff we don’t need.

Humans have always been inventing shit, which eventually leads to consumerism. Even the chimpanzees have primitive technology. A caveman invents fire, and now he can smoke a bunch of fish. This leads to surplus, which allows him to trade with the guy who makes the jade arrowheads. This is essentially the birth of capitalism.

Capitalism and consumerism drive innovation and I believe are good for society.

Materialism - a tendency to consider material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.

At what point does good technological innovation cross into the territory that leads to the cultural decline? There is certainly a lot of overlap between consumerism and materialism. Where do you draw the line? I don’t know.

I envision a sort of balance of the two where we can be a technology and innovation driven society with a minimalist mindset.

Maybe that is inherently contradictory. I know I don’t want to go back to before the wheel was invented though, or even the internet really.

Post: #70

(12-29-2016 10:04 AM)Edmund Ironside Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 05:54 AM)chakalaka Wrote:  Other empires have fallen. And I don´t think it was because of any technology advancement. Technology is a good thing. A very good thing. It allows me to write in this forum. And gather incredible knowledge. Specially military technology. If in the future we could have only robot wars. And the losses be only economically. This would be great.
There were a group of people in the last century who were against technology. They would go around putting bombs in factories. I already googled them. But can´t find their name. We have to understand as a society what´s happening. And create solutions. Just because it has the word startup the nerds think they don´t have to respect the rules. Same line of thought than China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Simply opposing technology itself is almost always going to be counterproductive and hopeless. However, sometimes advances in technology are combined with political or other forces to screw one group to the advantage of another ... and opposing that, on the part of the group getting screwed, is only logical. Case in point, advances in transportation and communication allow US business owners to arbitrage much lower labor rates overseas. The businesses profit greatly, the overseas labor profits some, the US labor gets crushed. The people taking advantage will always paint any critics as Luddites, and probably mention buggy whip manufacturing or something similar. Debates are at the level of sound bites and quips (or memes) and reality is much more complex.

Yeah it was the luddites.

Of course the elite is happy with the intrusion of privacy. And people who object it and any type of censorship might end up hanged:

Aaron Swartz

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/0...or-a-dream

Post: #71

(12-30-2016 09:46 AM)WhatTheFuck Wrote:  

(12-30-2016 05:07 AM)Genghis Khan Wrote:  

(12-29-2016 10:15 AM)WhatTheFuck Wrote:  From a cultural aspect however, my opinion is that the actual decline in society is mainly due to the cult of materialism, which is merely facilitated by technology. Doesn't have to be that way though; that I believe IS reversible.

Explain to me how you can have materialism without technology? At its core materialism cannot exist unless you can produce large quantities of stuff - which itself is not possible without technologic innovations. In fact I would argue that technological innovations inherently lead to materialism through the consolidation (smaller workshops getting closed down as large factories are able to produce at lower costs), which then leads to needing to have planned obsolescence so that large consolidations can get bigger and bigger every year and needing a marketing department to sell this crap to the masses.

I actually agree with you. What I meant is that technology isn’t inherently bad. It’s currently leading to a decline in society because we are using it to facilitate materialism, which is a neverending treadmill of buying stuff we don’t need.

Humans have always been inventing shit, which eventually leads to consumerism. Even the chimpanzees have primitive technology. A caveman invents fire, and now he can smoke a bunch of fish. This leads to surplus, which allows him to trade with the guy who makes the jade arrowheads. This is essentially the birth of capitalism.

Capitalism and consumerism drive innovation and I believe are good for society.

Materialism - a tendency to consider material possessions and physical comfort as more important than spiritual values.

At what point does good technological innovation cross into the territory that leads to the cultural decline? There is certainly a lot of overlap between consumerism and materialism. Where do you draw the line? I don’t know.

I envision a sort of balance of the two where we can be a technology and innovation driven society with a minimalist mindset.

Maybe that is inherently contradictory. I know I don’t want to go back to before the wheel was invented though, or even the internet really.

Humans have always been inventing shit, but the amount of technological advancement in the last, say, 150 years, and the degree to which our environment has changed as a result of that technological advancement, is unprecedented in human history. I would go as far as to say that the technological advancements of the last 150 years have been more significant than the advancements of the previous 10,000 (since agriculture was invented).

Prior to the Industrial Revolution, there were plenty of inventions and innovations (i.e. the wheel, the printing press, firearms, tools, etc.), and it did not really cause the societal problems we see today. Modern technology, though, is different. The environment we are living in is vastly different from that of previous generations, and it leads to a lot of the social/moral deficits we see in modern society.

The human species is simply not evolved for such a rapidly changing world. Evolution can't possibly keep up with how fast our environment is changing. Modern humans are fundamentally the same as humans from 200 years ago, but our environment is so vastly different. Roosh actually talks about this in one of his articles.

The fact that I'm saying all this does not mean that I'm "whining" or "complaining" about technology. Obviously, there is no going back to a pre-industrial world, but I don't think there's anything wrong with simply acknowledging the negative effects (along with the positive) that technology has on society.

Post: #72

@OP,

This is what I've just woke up and realized myself in terms that people have become so GOD DAMN technology dependant, that they are losing their humanity!

Post: #73

(12-31-2016 10:04 AM)Randy Antilles Mk2 Wrote:  @OP,

This is what I've just woke up and realized myself in terms that people have become so GOD DAMN technology dependant, that they are losing their humanity!

Just my personal half-assed opinion, but, I think keeping your humanity amongst the technology has a lot to do with not letting the technology control your brain too much. There are at least a couple of different parts to that ... one is maintaining critical thinking and logic (danger there if AI eventually becomes so good at that and useful day-to-day that we start to rely on it too much and lose our own ability ... those of us who even have it now) and ensuring that the information that reaches your critical-thinking brain is somewhat valid and objective (aka not living in a virtual reality where everything you think you know is completely manipulated.)

Just as being a man is really more about your attitudes and priorities than just being able to lift a lot of weight or change an oil filter, keeping humanity I think is more about keeping your mind right, than spending a lot of time smelling other people or planting gardens or whatever.

Post: #74

(01-01-2017 11:31 AM)Edmund Ironside Wrote:  

(12-31-2016 10:04 AM)Randy Antilles Mk2 Wrote:  @OP,

This is what I've just woke up and realized myself in terms that people have become so GOD DAMN technology dependant, that they are losing their humanity!

Just my personal half-assed opinion, but, I think keeping your humanity amongst the technology has a lot to do with not letting the technology control your brain too much. There are at least a couple of different parts to that ... one is maintaining critical thinking and logic (danger there if AI eventually becomes so good at that and useful day-to-day that we start to rely on it too much and lose our own ability ... those of us who even have it now) and ensuring that the information that reaches your critical-thinking brain is somewhat valid and objective (aka not living in a virtual reality where everything you think you know is completely manipulated.)

Just as being a man is really more about your attitudes and priorities than just being able to lift a lot of weight or change an oil filter, keeping humanity I think is more about keeping your mind right, than spending a lot of time smelling other people or planting gardens or whatever.

I follow you.

I'm observing in people not in my family( in addition to people outside of Redpill) is they turn themselves into this helpless victims cause they couldn't sit down and figure out all the technology.

For example, a modern car...no one actually wants to sit and learn how to maintain the vehicle.
No one actually wants to look at the engine, they just expect that shit to work for them or some computer to do all the damn work for them.

They just say "fuck it! the dealership will take care of it, fuck it I have the money to do this" Then they wonder were in the hell all the debt came from.

A personal example of mine is this, all we had to get Men to the moon was the slide ruler. Today we have highly advanced computers to do what again? Send little pussy robots into space. Sure that is good exploration reconnaissance, but the fact is because no one was willing to keep up the risk of sending humans into space that we just said "fuck it, the robot will do it for us."

Post: #75

(01-01-2017 11:45 AM)Randy Antilles Mk2 Wrote:  A personal example of mine is this, all we had to get Men to the moon was the slide ruler. Today we have highly advanced computers to do what again? Send little pussy robots into space. Sure that is good exploration reconnaissance, but the fact is because no one was willing to keep up the risk of sending humans into space that we just said "fuck it, the robot will do it for us."

We could have a whole other thread to discuss the speed of technological change. The popular meme is that technology is advancing faster than ever, but I don't buy that. I honestly think the pace has slowed. Sure you can name some things in the last few years, but compare decade by decade and tell me that recent decades are moving faster than 1940-1950 or 1950-1960? If your only frame of reference is screen resolution and network speed, sure, but look at everything.

I love the quotes about "big data" where they act like changes in the last few years are so much bigger than anything before. Really? Compared to the previous couple of decades where everything went from typewriters and hard copy to being digitized in the first place ... you think capturing some more data lately is a bigger deal?

Standing on the shoulders of giants and using the smart phone they enabled for you to send someone pictures of your junk ... that's modern day.