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Can't people just live at and let live? SJW's and fascists alike should just fuck off to an island somewhere far so normal people can live their lives in peace.

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(09-14-2015 04:44 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Can't people just live at and let live? SJW's and fascists alike should just fuck off to an island somewhere far so normal people can live their lives in peace.

So a white student union is fascist.
Are the black student unions in Canada also fascist?
Will you stand up against them?

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Those kids are morons and likely Aspies. I have no sympathy for them.

You have to play the game a certain way, coming out of the word work stating that your making a "white students union" to counter act femenisrm/cultural marxism/leftism in a University is the same level of trolling as the those femensist at the Islam speech, or the Brazlian dude who whipped his dick out st a femensit ralley.

It shows low social IQ and awareness and no sense of strategy or broader based thinking. Who in that group though it would be a good ides to approach it the way they did? Seriously.

Why not just have a group to examine western civilization. Simple.

Does the Polish students union advertise its a white student group? No. But unless your a non-white Polish student you would assume their membership is 100% white, yet nobody cares. They look to enhance and preserve many things this group in questions wants to as well but they were not social retarteds to state that so openly.

Those students will get run through the mud for this. And agree with whatever hey get because I can't believe they can be so dumb not to know this outcome would come.

These students:
Go to York University...
Thus hate on cultural Marxism and all that...
Yet still want York U to fund their student group...
Which openly trolls not just on school folly policies, or bogus Provivnial Hunan rights laws but trolls upon Federal Criminal Code...

I can't commend that level of stupid.

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(09-14-2015 04:39 PM)Vanguard Wrote:  http://www.vice.com/read/a-group-of-whit...y-campuses

"Toronto criminal lawyer Chris Rudnicki said the posters amount to hate speech and should be investigated by police. The Criminal Code prohibits inciting hatred against any identifiable group. "It's enough for them to say we support and promote white supremacy," Rudnicki told VICE."

Supposedly, a group of Caucasian students are attempting to form a White Student Union to help combat "cultural Marxism" and liberal indoctrination at York University and other universities in Toronto. Here is their website and a more in-depth description of what they're doing:

http://www.studentsforwesterncivilization.com

Whether you agree with their position or not, it's apparent that Canada is becoming a repressive totalitarian state for anybody who disagrees with the SJW's and leftist's that run the government.

What else do you expect in Soviet Canuckistan?

In addition to building a wall between the USA and Mexico, we are also going to need to build one between Soviet Canuckistan and 'Murica.

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(09-14-2015 04:46 PM)johnfortunebg Wrote:  

(09-14-2015 04:44 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Can't people just live at and let live? SJW's and fascists alike should just fuck off to an island somewhere far so normal people can live their lives in peace.

So a white student union is fascist.
Are the black student unions in Canada also fascist?
Will you stand up against them?

That's moot question because race relations aren't fucked up in Canada as they are in America. These guys know what's the deal, they could've played it better instead they come out guns blazing against 'cultural marxism' and promote 'conservative values' and 'western civilization'.

They got called out. A small violin for small problem.

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I see much of the mainstream perception being used to downplay the right of this group to exist.

I support white identity groups regardless of purpose or context.

Thinking in terms of "historical imbalances" and such are the same strategies counter groups have used for the last few decades to submit white identity, so I don't care if them being straight forward looked politically incorrect or was destined for a lash back. There will be a lash back or neutering no matter what. The important thing is that they had the audacity to create such a group.

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(09-14-2015 04:44 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Can't people just live at and let live? SJW's and fascists alike should just fuck off to an island somewhere far so normal people can live their lives in peace.

No, they cannot and pretending that they are someone going to reach a point where they are like "oh ok yeah just go ahead" is never going to happen.

I've gotten to the point where I don't even care about being called a racist, homophobe, or misogynist and I am most certainly not going to defend against accusations any longer.

This is psychological warfare which, if conditions were right, would inevitably lead to conflict and violence. There is absolutely no reason to suspect that, given the opportunity and levers of power, the people who claim to be oppressed would not oppress their perceived oppressor. People like the ones in that video and SJW warriors at large are in a chronic state of victimhood and very rarely ever leave that state. Blame is the easiest thing in the world to do and their are politicians and ideologues galore that will enable it for their own ends.

Here are my precepts when it comes to race and other issues.

1. If you are white and honourable, I will treat you with respect.

2. If you are non-white and honourable, I will treat you with respect.

2. If you are white and not honourable, fuck off.

3. If you are non-white and not honourable, fuck off.

4. If I am not behaving in an honourable manner, feel free to tell me to fuck off.

5. In fact, if I am behaving in an honourable manner, feel free to tell me to fuck off. You don't owe me anything.

6. I am going to pursue my interests to the best of my ability, if this includes engaging in group strategies with like minded and interested people, I am going to do it with or without your permission.

7. If you get in my way and tell me I can't, I am going to push back even harder and do it anyway.

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Canada has never had "free speech" in the American sense of the word.

However, it seems like they are simply getting rid of the BS version of free speech they previously had altogether by defining anything that annoys the SJWs as "hate speech."

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Sounds like whoever was behind this was trolling the campus and it's students.

It also shows how much of a reaction it got, might of proved the posters point that you can't any white organization that won't be deemed racist.

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Europe, Canada, and Australia are always touted by the left in the U.S. as perfect model countries that the U.S. needs to emulate. Over the last few years I have come to the firm conclusion that Europe, Canada, and Australia are not worth emulating, at least for the most part. Yes, they may have a few areas in which they are better in terms of the environment and some economic issues, but the nitty gritty good stuff such as not getting arrested for speech and being able to arm oneself heavily are issues that transcend having more money or having more social stability and safety.

I would give up economic and material comforts before giving up freedom to express myself without fear of reprisal. Hate speech laws are a trojan horse which will ultimately lead to tyranny which is what Europe, Canada, and Australia all have.

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While it is true that such a group should have the right to exist as any other non criminal group, these students simply have no clue that they are literately in the belly of the beast by being in a liberal education factory. I would tell them to keep going with the group since they feel strongly about it, but to not associate it with York U. That would've been like Roosh trying to schedule his speech at UofT. Not a good plan but they've been told that freedom of speech exist in academia so I don't really blame them they just don't know any better yet.

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I don't understand what they mean by white though - it does not seem to make sense. Classifying a group of people by their skin color is quite ambiguous. Chinese people are white - would they qualify. There are some blacks who are born white due to a skin disorder. Then there are some people with white skin who have black or mulato parents. Some get white in the winter and brown during the summer. Hence classifying a group by their skin color is confusing and hence I think the wrong choice of a word.

Also 'white' bring ups connection to the Klu Klux Klan and Hitler's Nazis. Hence it is bound to create hostile attention. Jewish people are also mostly white but they were killed by white Nazis.

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(09-14-2015 09:57 PM)sour grapes Wrote:  I don't understand what they mean by white though - it does not seem to make sense. Classifying a group of people by their skin color is quite ambiguous. Chinese people are white - would they qualify. There are some blacks who are born white due to a skin disorder. Then there are some people with white skin who have black or mulato parents. Some get white in the winter and brown during the summer. Hence classifying a group by their skin color is confusing and hence I think the wrong choice of a word.

This brings up American style race bait politics which is slowly creeping into Canada. Only Americans clump all that stuff together.

This is why I laugh at how some white dudes in Toronto think that you need a "white students union" in a country that is literally, literally, nearly all white.

For god sakes I am probably more white then these dudes are as I grew up swilling beer and getting drunk in barns with rednecks growing up. The only culture I knew was Canadian Prairie culture which revolves around traditions in farming, soft socialism, and heavy Ukrainian influences.

Canada is 90% white and all you need to do is drive 4 hours in any direction out of any of the 3 major cities (Montreal, Vancouver, Toronto) and you will be in towns and cities that maybe have a few First Nations Native people, a black guy, and some random Chinese families and thats it. Canada, unlike the rest of the Anglo-sphere, still (though they do not advertise it much) if I can recall, has the largest white based population, maybe Australia has more but I suspect they may have more Aboriginals then us here in Canada.

These people in question need to do more homework on the already rich Canadian ("white") history. Let them go to Sherbrooke Quebec that is 98% white, let them go to Cape Breton, again 90% white, Let them go up the seaside hills of Vancouver island, even larger cities such as Moncton, Kamloops, Saskatoon, Kitchener-Waterloo, etc are all still very much majority white. All these regional places have unqiue and distinct cultures that are unique and quintessentially Canadian and very interesting. All the regional ethnic pockets of Canada are all willing to teach you their culture, all are friendly, all are polite, all are Canadian.

This is why this group gets trashed. Because they start trolling for this in Toronto which is the most PC places on earth and the whole idea is ludicrous because there is no president for it and no need for it in Canada.

To many people in 2015 like to moan about race but those who do fail to see the details within - race. Only a moron would classify all Africans as Black and having some "affinity" culture (Africa has over 1000 unique ethnic groups that total as small as 250K+ to the tens of millions). People attempt to do this for Europe but are misguided, both places have very detailed and unique ethnic groups who have unique and different cultures.

I call people out on this because they obviously have no connection to any tangible ethnic or cultural ties as if they did.. they would not make such silly comments. Where are these dudes in question why are they not learning Canadian culture and traditions? You get stuck in Toronto you might seem that they do not exist but I can tell you first hand that they do if your willing to put in the effort and time.

Once again more and more I see American style race bait identity politics coming into Canada. The how 'Black Lives Matters' thing is a example. SJWs and such have been trying to creep it into the discourse and I feel its dangerous to introduce. Only people in Toronto buy it. There is no race issue here that extends beyond the plight of the First Nations who have been royally fucked (for many complex reasons) for generations. Everybody else here doesn't have shit to moan about.

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They should've just made a men's club.

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@Kosko, man, I think you're missing the boat on this one.

I'm going to take a bit of a contrary position to some of the posters here.

I think we're missing the bigger point here. Stop focusing on this "white student's club." The people trying to start this were, in my opinion, mostly trying to make a point. The opponents of this group are cleverly and conveniently shifting the issue to "racism" when the real issue here is about intellectual honesty. They are trying to link pride in Western culture to "racism" and thereby smear it.

We're overlooking--perhaps deliberately--the fact that modern universities have created an environment in which it is acceptable to celebrate every culture of the world except the European.

Multiculturalism, force-fed to us for many decades now, denigrates, minimizes, and obfuscates the key role that European civilization played in the shaping of the modern world.

Every major culture in the world has played a role in the forward movement of progress and knowledge. But what I think this incident is pointing out is a very simple truth: academia is systematically trying to whitewash the positive parts of Western civilization, and emphasize only the negatives (i.e., colonialism, etc.).

That's what this really is about. Look at this video:

http://www.studentsforwesterncivilizatio...video/cdyi

The people trying to create a "White Students' Union" may--or may not--have been closet racists. To me, that issue is irrelevant.

What is relevant is the reaction by the authorities to something as benign as this.

It's very easy to rationalize the overreaction of the authorities here. But we need to be asking the bigger question:

Why is Western Civilization a "dirty phrase" in the modern teaching environment?

To me, it is undeniable that there is a deliberate attempt to remove classical European learning from modern school curricula. This is simply undeniable.

European history, philosophy, science, literature, and music is now forced to take a back-seat to feminist studies, dubious "ethnic" studies, and other useless forms of "learning."

Classics are being purged of words that might "cause offense." Brilliant works of art and literature are being forgotten, ignored, or maligned.

That's the real issue here. And I think it's something that can't be ignored.

There are now several generations of people in the West who are totally ignorant of their heritage. This is a disgrace. A pure, utter disgrace. It started back in the 1960s and has gone on steadily since then.

I have spent a lot of effort writing about these things, in an effort to interest young guys in these subjects. And I will continue to do so until I take my last breath.

I think everyone should be proud of his history. Nothing wrong with that. But credit needs to be given where it is due, as well as assigning blame where it is due. Modern social justice warriors have forgotten the former, while obsessing over the latter.

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The point of the "white student's union" is to prove a point of how far this mess has gotten. I honestly don't think any of those students want to sit around and discuss such a thing.

If anything, they probably heard of Roosh and were inspired by his cause to basically bring these nuts out of the woodwork.

It's trolling on an epic scale. Something I wish I had done in college to prove how far gone the whole shit hole has become.

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(09-14-2015 04:44 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Can't people just live at and let live? SJW's and fascists alike should just fuck off to an island somewhere far so normal people can live their lives in peace.

You're kind of using the SJW vocabulary here by just wishing and wanting to pretend the world should or can be a certain way... but it can't and it never will. The world is populated by humans, humans are tribal creatures, there will ALWAYS be conflict by some fringe group trying to gain power by pushing the envelope or wanting to change the rules. That's how conservatives and people who want to "just be left alone and leave others alone": they become complacent and then the people who DO NOT want to leave other alone will win.

Keeping a society stable is a constant, never ending act of vigilance in fighting back the deviancy. You cannot get any rest or respite from that. Ever. The shitlibs will always keep agitating, that's what makes them shitlibs

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Starting a 'white' anything group in Toronto specifically is a bad idea, there is too much history against them. Race politics in toronto, specifically anything related to white supremacy goes back 25 years not to the recent dawn of SJWs.

Toronto had a significant neo nazi movement in the early 90s that made the news often. When I was staring high school in the greater toronto suburbs there was a legitmate risk for gays and minorities to take a beating if they were in the wrong places at night. Nazi graffiti was in most of the alleys and I would regularly see guys, and girls wearing the skinhead uniform (doc martens, bomber jackets, shaved heads with white laces and/or white suspenders). Canada's first hate speech law convictions were actually against leaders of these movements. The movement against the neo nazis was called "Anti Racist Action" whose members became "environmentalists" after the nazis died down and who then became "SJWs" after being a tree hugger stopped being cool.

Anyway, the short version of what I'm trying to say is that starting a 'white' anything in toronto will get heat very fast due to history.

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(09-15-2015 12:27 AM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  @Kosko, man, I think you're missing the boat on this one.

I'm going to take a bit of a contrary position to some of the posters here.

I think we're missing the bigger point here. Stop focusing on this "white student's club." The people trying to start this were, in my opinion, mostly trying to make a point. The opponents of this group are cleverly and conveniently shifting the issue to "racism" when the real issue here is about intellectual honesty. They are trying to link pride in Western culture to "racism" and thereby smear it.

We're overlooking--perhaps deliberately--the fact that modern universities have created an environment in which it is acceptable to celebrate every culture of the world except the European.

Multiculturalism, force-fed to us for many decades now, denigrates, minimizes, and obfuscates the key role that European civilization played in the shaping of the modern world.

Every major culture in the world has played a role in the forward movement of progress and knowledge. But what I think this incident is pointing out is a very simple truth: academia is systematically trying to whitewash the positive parts of Western civilization, and emphasize only the negatives (i.e., colonialism, etc.).

That's what this really is about. Look at this video:

http://www.studentsforwesterncivilizatio...video/cdyi

The people trying to create a "White Students' Union" may--or may not--have been closet racists. To me, that issue is irrelevant.

What is relevant is the reaction by the authorities to something as benign as this.

It's very easy to rationalize the overreaction of the authorities here. But we need to be asking the bigger question:

Why is Western Civilization a "dirty phrase" in the modern teaching environment?

To me, it is undeniable that there is a deliberate attempt to remove classical European learning from modern school curricula. This is simply undeniable.

European history, philosophy, science, literature, and music is now forced to take a back-seat to feminist studies, dubious "ethnic" studies, and other useless forms of "learning."

Classics are being purged of words that might "cause offense." Brilliant works of art and literature are being forgotten, ignored, or maligned.

That's the real issue here. And I think it's something that can't be ignored.

There are now several generations of people in the West who are totally ignorant of their heritage. This is a disgrace. A pure, utter disgrace. It started back in the 1960s and has gone on steadily since then.

I have spent a lot of effort writing about these things, in an effort to interest young guys in these subjects. And I will continue to do so until I take my last breath.

I think everyone should be proud of his history. Nothing wrong with that. But credit needs to be given where it is due, as well as assigning blame where it is due. Modern social justice warriors have forgotten the former, while obsessing over the latter.

History, to these people, is an obstacle to be overcome and something to be forgotten entirely unless it can be used as a cudgel against opponents. To them most everything American and European before 1945 is sort of a vague dark cloud of evilness until the 1960s when our betters brought forth the lamp of progress to enlighten the masses. Yet their work is never done as long as one person who takes pride in their heritage exists. Nationalism, identity, feeling a connection to anything traditional and normal is evil.

Worship of Dildolech, "being on the right side of history", moral signaling, permanent revolution, the destruction of tradition and subservience to the state trumps all.

It's simple: people who do not know their own history or are taught that it's evil are more easy to lead astray, bamboozle, and guilt into accepting their own destruction.

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Evidently many posters here have not gone to school in Canada and live in an alternate reality disconnected from what's actually taught here. Almost sort of right wing cool aid with a touch of race.

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(09-15-2015 01:18 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  Evidently many posters here have not gone to school in Canada and live in an alternate reality disconnected from what's actually taught here. Almost sort of right wing cool aid with a touch of race.

What's clear to me is that you don't understand the purpose of this whole exercise. It got the exact response that was desired.

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(09-15-2015 10:10 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  I would regularly see guys, and girls wearing the skinhead uniform (doc martens, bomber jackets, shaved heads with white laces and/or white suspenders).

I'd like to defend my Skinhead friends (I grew up in the punk, hardcore, etc scene)

Skinheads started at as Rudeboys (West Indian Black style) and British Mods.

They were working class blue collar (and still mostly are).

These guys listened to Reggae, Oi!, Punk, Dancehall, Ska etc.

The wannabe Nazi fucks are an offshoot of the Skinhead culture. Fuck them, we used to stomp these guys at shows. They still have somewhat of a presence in So-Cal.

A famous phrase goes "Boots and Braces - don't make me racist"

Look up SHARP (Skinheads Against Racism).

I've rocked docs with white laces, boots, buzzed head, and suspenders on denim (albeit not for long). I'm BROWN !

Some of my friends still rock docs and suspenders and are white, it's shitty because they are seen as Nazi's until I shake their hand.


Anyways back to the point of this post.

The guy who trolled the school got the exact response he wanted - censorship/racism/etc.

All because of some posters, I don't think this union was serious at all.