Post: #26

I would think there are more positives to going through life looking younger than your actual age than negatives. I am somewhere in between the men described in Samseau's post. I was a babyface until 18 (I only had a light mustache, and my beard amounted to a single curly hair on one of my cheeks). During the summer between my freshman and sophomore years in college, a full beard exploded on my face, but I still had soft, baby skin. I sported it because I hardly ever got carded when I went out. One of my friends started college at 16, yet he was already balding and had an older looking face.

For several years I sported a goatee instead of the full beard, but I still looked younger than my years. Now that I'm graying (in the temples and thoughout my head, my chin is completely gray, and gray is sprouting in my moustache), I've gone clean-shaven except for the moustache, but I still get told I don't look my age (I'm 48 now). I've generally taken good care of my skin, and I've stayed in shape throughout life. My brother, who is almost two years older than me, STILL can't grow a full 'stache and only has some hair on his chin. He has almost NO gray. But he has a receding hairline and is extremely overweight. If he had taken better care of himself, he'd probably look younger than I do. Heredity plays a part - I got the facial hair from my dad (he often shaved twice a day), and went gray pretty early (though that may have been because he drank and smoked). When you're younger with a babyface, you'll pull girls that think you're "cute." When you hit your mid-20s, you should start dressing more mature and carrying yourself that way, and you'll pull. When you hit your 30s and 40s, you'll be able to pull from all kinds of demographics (late 20s to 40s). Looking younger than you are will always be a positive for you.

Post: #27

(11-28-2011 09:11 PM)PDX Wrote:  

(11-28-2011 01:27 PM)Samseau Wrote:  They get married by age 25 and usually begin to look old by 30. I feel bad for these guys, because they live a life just like a woman; attractive while young, and hits the wall fast.

I'd venture that most married men look older than their single counterparts. They quit caring, working out, etc.

In fact, throw in a kid, and they're pretty much done. I'm 35 and there's a remarkable difference between my friends who are married (w/ and w/o kids) and the ones that are single.

So, don't get married, stay looking young.

This is definitely true - especially w/kids because the kids sleep deprive the hell out of you.

Post: #28

I also had a babyface. When I was driving at 17 people said they thought I was a kid that stole their parents car. They said I looked like I was 12 or 13. My doctor at the time said I'll be thankful later in life.

I'm 32 now, and when a girl guesses that I'm 25... I realize he was right.

Post: #29

(11-29-2011 01:48 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I also had a babyface. When I was driving at 17 people said they thought I was a kid that stole their parents car. They said I looked like I was 12 or 13. My doctor at the time said I'll be thankful later in life.

I'm 32 now, and when a girl guesses that I'm 25... I realize he was right.

when the girl guesses you are 25 do you correct her? i'm 34 and when i've corrected girls who are like 22ish who guess i'm 26 and i see 34 i've gotten the look of death to the point where i just try and change the subject altogether w/o answering the question

Post: #30

(11-29-2011 05:30 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(11-29-2011 01:48 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I also had a babyface. When I was driving at 17 people said they thought I was a kid that stole their parents car. They said I looked like I was 12 or 13. My doctor at the time said I'll be thankful later in life.

I'm 32 now, and when a girl guesses that I'm 25... I realize he was right.

when the girl guesses you are 25 do you correct her? i'm 34 and when i've corrected girls who are like 22ish who guess i'm 26 and i see 34 i've gotten the look of death to the point where i just try and change the subject altogether w/o answering the question

If you're just trying to fuck, don't correct them. Obviously, if your interaction with her goes beyond a one-night stand, discovering your true age may be more of an issue.

Post: #31

(11-29-2011 05:30 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(11-29-2011 01:48 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I also had a babyface. When I was driving at 17 people said they thought I was a kid that stole their parents car. They said I looked like I was 12 or 13. My doctor at the time said I'll be thankful later in life.

I'm 32 now, and when a girl guesses that I'm 25... I realize he was right.

when the girl guesses you are 25 do you correct her? i'm 34 and when i've corrected girls who are like 22ish who guess i'm 26 and i see 34 i've gotten the look of death to the point where i just try and change the subject altogether w/o answering the question

Dude, just lie once, lie again, and lie some more. Never tell the truth about anything to a woman.

Post: #32

a friend of mine is definitely babyfaced (mid30s barly visible facial hair) it definitely helps him as most of the women he dates are 10 years younger.

an advice,(not to sound gay) I think all men should take care of their facial skin: cleans, moisturise with spf and exfoliate

Post: #33

damn this doesn't go well for me! lol. I looked 25 when I was 15, and from the looks of it, It wont look too good!

Post: #34

grow beard and your babyface will eventually disappear

Post: #35

(11-30-2011 10:24 AM)bengalltigerr Wrote:  grow beard and your babyface will eventually disappear

I wish I could

I am 23 and some people still guess my age at 16. It bothered me a few years ago but not anymore.

Apart from looking better when getting older, it has some more advantages. People are always mind blowed when you open your mouth. I would say I am more mature than people my age anyway (not a hard thing to be...), but when you look even younger it has a nice effect.

Girls don't care as long as you own it, as with everything. I hear "you are too young" sometimes though but it's just another shit test, never been a problem

Post: #36

Youll appreciate it as you age. For me I started looking younger when I got out of shape (always had a babyface though). If you work out your will get chizzled and have a proper posture and form, your neck and shoulders will beef up and thus it will end up not to matter if your face baby smooth young or you look like a toured grizzly bear old like Roosh you it will still work to your benefit

I add a little rough facial hair to balance things out. reasons being I am lazy to shave and go to my barber for it, plus I rocked a baby face for so long that I got sick of it. But it does not matter what I do to my face, the females respond better to what aura/vibe I present out. The gym I think has helped more, it gives me an edge and women like muscles.. fuck being feeble and flabby that shit don't fly.

When I was feeble and ultra limp before Game Women thought I was as young as 18! (I'm 25), Fuck that shit. It was mad insulting, it did help when I tried to sleaze up first year girls though haha.

Post: #37

"...an advice,(not to sound gay) I think all men should take care of their facial skin: cleans, moisturise with spf and exfoliate."

That's the problem right there...it's not soft or gay for a man to take care of his skin. Drink plenty of water. Use men's skin care products to wash and moisturize your face. Put some of that Nivea Q-10 shit around your eyes. I'm dark, but when I'm in one of those hot climates on a beach, I use sunblock just like someone that's fair-skinned. If you want to keep looking good, you have to maintain. There's nothing pussy about that. Now you don't want to answer the door with some green shit on your face and cucumbers over your eyes (NOT a good look), but you should take care of your skin.

Post: #38

^ Truth. I did not notice brothers rocking suncreen till I moved to Toronto. This Hatian dude always got the SPF on. Hes in his 30's and strait up says, the sun is good for dark skin but it will mess your shit up long term if you ain't careful. Fair skinned people already know what's up with that Sun. Only trick I know for fair skinned people and the sun is to down tomato paste like nobody's business, this old German dude I worked with downs a can evrey day or two.

Wen't from being at risk for melanoma to now barley needing sunscreen. The cooked down tomatoes got that lycopene which I guess bounces of the harmful rays, they protect the tomatoes delicate skins in the the sun drenched mediterranean so you can imagine what it would do for your leathery ass skin.

And yes this is why Italians and others from that region such as Greeks and Middle Easterns got that nice toasty skin, that lycopene gives them a natural sun block to let them crisp up nice and golden.

For the face I exfoliate with sea salt baking soda daily in the shower, and use a warm rag on the face like once a week. Olive oil be the moisturizer. I'm strait. I'm starting to notice fine wrinkles and shit and my hair is turning grey early (that's another story, really ain't know what the fuck is up with that). But I think my face would be way more fucked if I didn't do those little things to take care of it.

I used to just by shit at the store, but "Mens products" are cheap ass versions of the female shit, Loaded up with chemical and bullshit (there is good quality high end stuff though). Only stuff I'd consider from that store stuff be a clay mask or under eye cream - But fuck it, this natural stuff doing an alright job (and its CHEAP!).

Post: #39

Having a babyface, old face, droopy face, a fucking prosthetic face, shouldn't matter one bit to the facets of YOUR game. Women may judge you at first, but it's how you handle that judgement and respond. If they notice a hint of insecurity, you're done. Women pick up on this insecurity in a heartbeat. You ever see that fat girl in high school sitting on her own, looking like her only friend is her dog? That's what your pussy litle ass turns into when you let your insecurities show.

This isn't a matter of what you're going to look like when you're older. What youre age range of potentiomal hook ups is because of you're looks. It's all a matter of your inner game. Sure, maybe some of you feel you get more girls when you look a certain way. But you ever think it was because of your confidence looking that way?

Personally, I'm short and babyfaced. People think I'm 15. Sure, sometimes I don't get second looks or get called "hot." Why the fuck would I care?? Women tell me I'm too young, too short or too much of an asshole. Do I really think that's why? No. Obviously, there was something I portrayed or said that didnt appeal to them. So, why dwell? It's probably the hardest thing Ive had to learn, but definitely the greatest asset I now have.

Anyways, all I'm trying to say is fuck what people say you look like. Ignore it all. You know you the best. Work your features and assets that make you, YOU and apply them to your game.

Post: #40

I'm 30. I had problems with people not taking me seriously because I looked like a teenager, but I found a few physical changes went a long way into making my appearance more mature:

1) get jacked. nothing like filling out your clothes to give the impression of masculinity. most teenagers can't get big. plus, I've noticed some very subtle changes in my facial appearance when I put on muscle. It's more than just fat loss, although that helps too. Hard to describe, but you can often tell a guy is jacked just from pictures of his face.
2) diet. I cut out carbs and dairy and my acne disappeared. yes, I still had acne in my late 20s and would have it now if I didn't eat healthy.
3) fashion. stop dressing like a kid. conversely, I can dress young and clean up at a college bar. don't worry about lying about your age, everyone assumes you're just another student.
4) vocal training. you know how you can guess someone's age just by hearing his voice? a big part of communication that often slips between the cracks of body language and the content of what you say is your tonality. Its hugely important and something that I've been focusing on lately: how to project, how to speak comfortable at high or low pitches, how to do accents, how to sing, etc. I'm starting to think that tonality is just as if not more important than body language. Imagine if Sean Connery had Gilbert Gottfried's voice. All the witty banter and alpha body language of 007 couldn't help him. Most experts say you can't get a deeper voice after adulthood, but I've been doing training for a few months and I can comfortably talk deeper and louder than I used to. It is a huge confidence booster. One exercise I like to do is to call up random numbers until I get a (young sounding) female, and then try to game her using just my voice. It is great practice for cold approaches and if it works out, you've already got her number!

Post: #41

As a fellow babyfacer, I can tell you it's neither a pro nor a con.

As with nearly all genetic traits it's a question of optimising a characteristic.

I wrote a post about it actually: http://www.smokeinmyeye.com/2011/11/14/o...dvantages/

TL;DR any genetic disadvantage can be an advantage if you have the right frame.