(09-09-2015 04:50 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 04:29 PM)tomtud Wrote:  For example, look what happened to south Florida during the Mariel boat lift (along with the cocaine cowboys) crime shot trough the roof for a few years.it was a mess. Today, south Florida is a prosperous place.

Beirut Lebanon was the Paris of the Middle East. When 100,000 Palestinian refugees came, it shifted the balance (in an already teetering political environment) and from 1975-

Cubans adapted to American standards - they also brought some of their own flavor.

The Cubans who fled the revolution were (mostly) white Spaniards ethnically - even though modern-day American racial demography may label them as non-whites, or at least some kind of 'other'. In Europe, like many people from South/Latin America, they're considered white. As I've said on other threads, if Americans think dealing with a lot of people who look like Marco Rubio is comparable to what Europe is facing, they're delusional. Of course, I'm aware the majority of Mexicans pouring over the border aren't like that, but there needs to be a distinction - a lot of the 'Hispanics' will be assimilated into the white majority within 10 years or so.

There's a difference between Ricky Martin and Danny Trejo.

(09-09-2015 05:00 PM)Teedub Wrote:  The Cubans who fled the revolution were (mostly) white Spaniards ethnically - even though modern-day American racial demography may label them as non-whites, or at least some kind of 'other'. In Europe, like many people from South/Latin America, they're considered white. As I've said on other threads, if Americans think dealing with a lot of people who look like Marco Rubio is comparable to what Europe is facing, they're delusional. Of course, I'm aware the majority of Mexicans pouring over the border aren't like that, but there needs to be a distinction - a lot of the 'Hispanics' will be assimilated into the white majority within 10 years or so.

There's a difference between Ricky Martin and Danny Trejo.

Americans don't travel as much as europeans and have no idea how bad the situation in europe really is. Nationalist have started to gain support here as a result of many factors, among them all the unwelcomed danny trejos. Now replace 11 million Danny Trejo's with Ahmed al wantvirghens and imagine what the american reaction would be.

Keep in mind, Americans have the 1st and 2nd amendment. If this type of invasion were to occur in the US, the american political spectrum would look very different.

Trump would be a leftist candidate and the American right would make Le Pen look like a weak centrist.

(09-09-2015 04:51 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  About the role of Jews in all this.

I am Jewish (mixed but still) and completely on the far right, alt right, whatever you want to call it. Anti feminist anti immigration pro walls etc. Israel honestly provides a model many on the far right would like to follow, a proud ethno religious state with no qualms about kicking out illegal immigrants and actively promoting its interests and identity.

While many Jews have done their part to bring about our current leftist social order, being a high IQ group you just cannot be surprised to find them near the top of any structure that exists. Of the people I know in real life some of the most anti-socialist anti-feminist anti-leftist people are Jews as well.

If you simply hate Jews because of what leftist Jews have done, well, I can not really talk to you, you just hate me and Jews and that is that. But I would be very surprised if there weren"t here a large amount of far right Jews who hate all the far left shit that Jews get blamed for.

Honestly man, it's really simple to separate the good Jews from the bad. The good ones accept Jesus and follow the New Testament, while the bad ones follow the Talmud. The good ones have assimilated into various cultures over the centuries and most probably do not even realize they have Jewish blood.

I don't care if a Jew calls himself left or right, all that matters is his religious affiliation. The ones who hate Christ are nation wreckers because they fundamentally deny Truth and seek to subvert Christ's teachings. That's why Talmudic Jews have always been usurers, pimps, slavers, drug dealers, and virtually every immoral profession known to man, because they rejected Christ and his dictum, "Love thy Neighbor." This is how Jews have accumulated their massive wealth over the centuries. For the Talmudic Jew, it's "Love thy Jew," so it's okay to pimp out non-Jews or lend to non-Jews or to sell and enslave non-Jews.

Because they treat their neighbors like shit it is why they are eventually ganged-up on and eradicated over and over after they accumulate too many enemies.

So technically speaking it's not the Jewishness that is wrong, but their dogged insistence on rejected Christ which has continued for over 2000 years at this point. The stubbornness is legendary. Virtually every toxic ideology of the 19th and 20th centuries were produced by Talmudic Jews, which were all rejections of Christ in one form or another. Communism (religion is opiate of masses), Feminism (rejection of female nature and her ordained role by God), Psychoanalysis and the Sexual Revolution (all that pent up desire for sex which evil Christian society keeps repressed), and Deconstructionism ("What is Truth?," asked Derrida (a Jew), the same question asked by Pontius Pilate) all revolve around rejecting Christ's teachings. The Talmudic Jew cannot let go, and from this diseased grudge comes all of the evils typically associated with Jews.

FYI, I am a descendent of Jews who converted to Christianity centuries ago, i.e. I have Jewish DNA.

Slavoj Zizek, noted Marxist intellectual, has weighed in on the migrant/refugee crisis.

And... In a move I call "Agreeing with reactionaries for the wrong reasons" pretty much sides with us. Albeit with a marxist bent he states every objection and moment of theorizing we have: http://t.co/SAWZ4XkJWJ

He even channels Zelcorpion by noting that this is motivated (partly) by a desire for a cheap and balkanized work force.

Although, Chinese textile mill owners in Egypt report being dissatisfied with the workers. So I doubt that will work out in the long run without having the natives acting as welfare batteries whose wages are also cut.

He also had an interview on Democracy Now in 2010 where he blamed multiculturalists for the rise of far right wing parties in Europe.
He echoes the same sentiment here. And considering that r/worldnews and r/europe, two otherwise left of center places, have little sympathy for these "refugees" and the latter's frontpage is filled with anti-immigrant articles; one can assume he has a point

That interview was fascinating because he veered into alt right territory: chiefly 1. Racist is a classist word used by wealthy whites to shame poor whites for not accepting diversity and 2. NRx Cathedral talk about how "experts" and academia are sacralized, reducing the "public domain of reason" as he called it.

(09-09-2015 05:23 PM)Samseau Wrote:  Honestly man, it's really simple to separate the good Jews from the bad. The good ones accept Jesus and follow the New Testament, while the bad ones follow the Talmud. The good ones have assimilated into various cultures over the centuries and most probably do not even realize they have Jewish blood.

A Jew who accepted Christ is no longer a Jew, he’s a Christian.

(09-09-2015 04:51 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  While many Jews have done their part to bring about our current leftist social order, being a high IQ group you just cannot be surprised to find them near the top of any structure that exists. Of the people I know in real life some of the most anti-socialist anti-feminist anti-leftist people are Jews as well.

But are they outliers? If not, what would explain why Jews vote almost entirely Democratic? In 2008 about 80% of the Jewish vote went to Obama. I'm not sure how they vote in Europe. Maybe someone could shed some light.

(09-09-2015 05:00 PM)Teedub Wrote:  There's a difference between Ricky Martin and Danny Trejo.

That is one of the funniest things I've read this week. And yeah, Americans tend to be really confused on the whole Hispanic/Latino thing with regards to race.

(09-09-2015 05:55 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 05:00 PM)Teedub Wrote:  There's a difference between Ricky Martin and Danny Trejo.

That is one of the funniest things I've read this week. And yeah, Americans tend to be really confused on the whole Hispanic/Latino thing with regards to race.

No we aint. It's easy. They are all Mexicans.

It cracks me up when people back home ask me "What language do people in Thailand speak? Taiwanese?" or "You must love Oriental food, right?"

(09-09-2015 05:55 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 05:00 PM)Teedub Wrote:  There's a difference between Ricky Martin and Danny Trejo.

That is one of the funniest things I've read this week. And yeah, Americans tend to be really confused on the whole Hispanic/Latino thing with regards to race.

I knew you'd understand.

(09-09-2015 06:01 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  It cracks me up when people back home ask me "What language do people in Thailand speak? Taiwanese?" or "You must love Oriental food, right?"

My family still thinks I lived in Taiwan for two years, I was in Bangkok.

(09-09-2015 11:07 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  It's all so simple when you're an armchair quarterback. It's sooooooo Beta, but there is a function for kindness in the world, a use for us wimpy types.

You're welcome to host a refugee or ten at your own place of residence.

I'll not stop you.

G

Precisely. The problem here is more the "forced charity" or however you may want to call it. Those who want to espouse Kant's law of International hospitality are free to do so, at their own expense.

I gave 2 examples of mass migration.... I agree it will cause havoc. Europe doesn't only have Syrians as migrants they have Africa, Asia etc.... The nationalist parties will become quite popular .... Le pen, geert wilders etc

I still place a distinction between the Syrians and the economic migrants. If we have ACTUAL refugees, actual syrians who are fleeing war, I don't think it's exactly the optimal solution but at the moment it is what can be done. Some real filtering and scrutiny should be made and only the ACTUAL refugees should be let in, instead of letting in all sorts of people (especially able bodied men) that are taking advantage of the current European lack of zeal. As I said before, I don't think we have the right to force anyone to be charitable for us, but if we're gonna let people in, at least let it be people that do need it.

Ben Shapiro (that Jewish guy who filed charges against that crazy tranny) basically sums up why Jews vote left. Only 10% of them are Orthodox. 30% are attached to Israel. Only 41% consider themselves to even be religious.

Basically, most Jews are your basic secular educated American and aren't practicing any religion. Just like Catholics.

Germans insist that Germany will be turning away people without papers proving they are Syrian.

I don't speak or read German, so I suppress my skepticism at that.
Largely because being suspicious won't change it.

So I will focus my efforts on explaining why taking the asylum seekers they do is bad all the same

^Once you admit "actual refugees" you open the way for a system that allows your country to be overrun by refugees.

I personally know "refugees" who have gotten "asylum" in the U.S. they are perpetrating a straight scam, paid a lawyer a few thousand dollars to concoct papers claiming they are facing something terrible back home when really they just wanted to live in the U.S. and had a perfectly nice life back home.

But even putting aside fraud and rich people playing "refugee" certainly there are millions fleeing real violence and danger.

Doesn't matter. Since when did a civil war mean half your country fled?

Did half of Japan flee after WWII, or during? When Germany was pounded into oblivion did Germans all flee? Sure some did, but not half of the country.

Stay in your country, fight your civil war, build a better future for yourself.

The U.S. certainly has a hand in creating and fomenting this chaos around the world, which is shameful, but two wrongs don't make a right. Bush's doctrine of "Invade the World, Invite the World" is a huge failure. We don't need to let every poor or suffering person into our countries, there are billions of them, and there is no end in sight to war or poverty on this earth, so there will never be an end to this.

You have to just say no to all of them. There will be wars, there always have been, if every war is an excuse for the people of that country to flood into the richest parts of the world, there will never be an end to it until Western Europe looks like Syria + Somalia.

Turning away all of them is impossible. At best you can manage to take in a symbolic number.

(09-09-2015 06:54 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  ^Once you admit "actual refugees" you open the way for a system that allows your country to be overrun by refugees.

I personally know "refugees" who have gotten "asylum" in the U.S. they are perpetrating a straight scam, paid a lawyer a few thousand dollars to concoct papers claiming they are facing something terrible back home when really they just wanted to live in the U.S. and had a perfectly nice life back home.

But even putting aside fraud and rich people playing "refugee" certainly there are millions fleeing real violence and danger.

Doesn't matter. Since when did a civil war mean half your country fled?

Did half of Japan flee after WWII, or during? When Germany was pounded into oblivion did Germans all flee? Sure some did, but not half of the country.

Stay in your country, fight your civil war, build a better future for yourself.

The U.S. certainly has a hand in creating and fomenting this chaos around the world, which is shameful, but two wrongs don't make a right. Bush's doctrine of "Invade the World, Invite the World" is a huge failure. We don't need to let every poor or suffering person into our countries, there are billions of them, and there is no end in sight to war or poverty on this earth, so there will never be an end to this.

You have to just say no to all of them. There will be wars, there always have been, if every war is an excuse for the people of that country to flood into the richest parts of the world, there will never be an end to it until Western Europe looks like Syria + Somalia.

(09-09-2015 06:44 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I still place a distinction between the Syrians and the economic migrants. If we have ACTUAL refugees, actual syrians who are fleeing war, I don't think it's exactly the optimal solution but at the moment it is what can be done. Some real filtering and scrutiny should be made and only the ACTUAL refugees should be let in, instead of letting in all sorts of people (especially able bodied men) that are taking advantage of the current European lack of zeal. As I said before, I don't think we have the right to force anyone to be charitable for us, but if we're gonna let people in, at least let it be people that do need it.

I agree on the general, generous principle, but... how are you going to seriously screen one million men, all pretending to be Syrians, coming by unending, daily groups of tens of thousands, at the EU border?

Set up an interview room in Budapest and spend 2 hours with each candidate, trying to determine whether he is a sleeping-cell member or a genuine refugee or just an economic migrant (or a genuine refugee who may turn extremist islamist someday? or an economic migrant who also may or may not turn extremist islamist? or, more subtle, a double-crossing sleeping-cell member who actually will turn plain economic migrant)?

idea though: Waterboard each of them? 10.000 waterboarding sessions per day at the Hungarian border, why not, but... costly. Water is not cheap in Europe.

One million men do not arrive daily. And not "all" pretend to be syrians though the vast majority sure does. Can we assume most families come from Syria? I would suppose so. Can we assume most lone men are not Syrian? I don't see why not. And the spoken languages are different too, Syrians speak arabic, do most of the migrants overall speak arabic? I wouldn't presume. Especially if we take into account Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Pakistan and some of the Africans (excluding Maghreb). It's tough but not impossible.

(09-09-2015 07:01 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 06:44 PM)LEMONed IScream Wrote:  I still place a distinction between the Syrians and the economic migrants. If we have ACTUAL refugees, actual syrians who are fleeing war, I don't think it's exactly the optimal solution but at the moment it is what can be done. Some real filtering and scrutiny should be made and only the ACTUAL refugees should be let in, instead of letting in all sorts of people (especially able bodied men) that are taking advantage of the current European lack of zeal. As I said before, I don't think we have the right to force anyone to be charitable for us, but if we're gonna let people in, at least let it be people that do need it.

I agree on the general, generous principle, but... how are you going to seriously screen one million men, all pretending to be Syrians, coming by unending, daily groups of tens of thousands, at the EU border?

Set up an interview room in Budapest and spend 2 hours with each candidate, trying to determine whether he is a sleeping-cell member or a genuine refugee or just an economic migrant (or a genuine refugee who may turn extremist islamist someday? or an economic migrant who also may or may not turn extremist islamist? or, more subtle, a double-crossing sleeping-cell member who actually will turn plain economic migrant)?

idea though: Waterboard each of them? 10.000 waterboarding sessions per day at the Hungarian border, why not, but... costly. Water is not cheap in Europe.

The current situation in Europe is a direct consequence of decades' worth of psychological warfare directed at white Europeans, particularly Germans, via the Holocaust narrative. Without the Holocaust narrative, it simply would not be possible to brainwash tens of millions of people into supporting the genocide of their own people. The Holocaust narrative is a psychological weapon that paralyzes white people through the idea of collective guilt. This idea of collective guilt is only inflicted upon white European peoples. For example:

Although it is a fact that black people disproportionately commit violent crimes, we are constantly reminded that "not all black people are like that", that blacks do not bear collective guilt as a whole, and that we cannot judge blacks collectively as a group.
Although it is a fact that Muslims disproportionately commit acts of terrorism, we are constantly reminded that "not all Muslims are like that", that Muslims do not bear collective guilt as a whole, and that we cannot judge Muslims collectively as a group.
Although it is a fact that Jews are disproportionately involved in the cultural subversion in the West, we are constantly reminded that "not all Jews are like that", that Jews do not bear collective guilt as a whole, and that we cannot judge Jews collectively as a group.

In contrast, white people are held to be collectively guilty of the crimes of other whites, both living and dead. We see this with slavery in the United States, as well as in smaller examples like the idea of "white privilege", but the Holocaust narrative is by far the most egregious example, especially in Europe. White Europeans, particularly Germans, are propagandized to such a degree that millions of them literally believe they have no legitimate right to exist as a people. Germany is committing suicide as a nation because it has been infected with this mind virus of Holocaust guilt. It is unable to defend itself not because it is incapable, but because it believes that the very idea of self-defense is immoral, because they themselves as a nation are an immoral, wicked people who don't deserve to exist.

It is truly sickening. And this did not happen by accident. Jews have been pushing the Holocaust narrative for decades now, and publicly questioning it as a criminal offense in most of Western Europe. Quite convenient, isnt it? When a psychological weapon of mass destruction is not only pushed relentlessly in media and education, but is literally illegal to question? You couldn't design for a more perfect recipe to destroy a nation from within. Combine the Holocaust narrative with the other fruits of cultural Marxism (feminism, atheism, homosexuality, relativism, etc...) and you've mixed up the ultimate cultural destroyer cocktail.

And remember, this supposedly all "just happened". We're told it's really just some kind of sad coincidence that the West has been hit with this devastating combination of psychological and cultural weapons in the past several decades. But people are beginning to learn better. They are slowly discovering the truth. And when knowledge of the truth reaches critical mass there is going to be Hell to pay.

(09-09-2015 12:51 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-09-2015 11:06 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  “There are those who think completely differently about this: the European Left does not see a danger in immigration but an opportunity,” said the Prime Minister, adding that the reason the Left likes the “escalation of immigration” is because “it weakens and eliminates the national bonds”, which he claims to be the long-term goal of the Left.

And this is every bit as true in America. Scratch the surface of anyone that's pro mass immigration and they are hostile to nationalism at their core. Often self-loathing.

(09-09-2015 11:09 AM)mrbiggs Wrote:  I will work to establish a homeland in the North American continent for my fellow-red pill men. Good luck to the Europeans. If you're going to go down, at least go down with a fight.

Do you not realize that it's the same shit here in North America? We had(have) a refugee crisis just like this with all these people from central America crossing the border, many of them minors. Anyone that called for sending them home was vilified as a vile racist. Fleeing Europe to N. America doesn't solve your problem.

I was referring to the possibility of establishing a new nation on the North American continent in the same spirit as say Singapore.

Just keep them all out.

Sure some percentage will sneak in, whatever.

Make it legal for cops to ask for papers, scan them, and deport those who are found to be illegal.

My license is scanned to verify it when I want to buy beer or am stopped for driving too fast. Asking for papers is something all American citizens regularly face, would be no big deal to do it with an eye towards catching those who are here illegally.

(09-09-2015 07:14 PM)mrbiggs Wrote:  

Many people on this thread asked: Why now, why are those tens and tens of thousands of migrants rushing to Europe, now...?

Well, the main answer is recorded on the video above, at the 1'09 mark:

The migrant woman says: "tengo que aprovechar ahora porque eso se va a acabar": I have to seize the opportunity (to illegally migrate) right now, because this can't go on forever!

That's what migrants feel and think: this is too good to last forever, Europe is weak and dumb now, but it won't last very long, soon they will vote for nationalist parties and the party (for us migrants) will be over.

To give you an image:
Migrants now see Europe as a female whore naked, on her back, legs and all wide open. So they rush in. I understand, you understand. But, in such a situation, you'd also know that... it is so good and easy that it is bound to end soon. Soon, the whore will be full, and her leftist pussy sore, and thus she will close her legs. So, they move now, taking advantage while the whore is still welcoming!

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