Post: #1

I think Roosh had an interesting post somewhere (ROK?) a while back about how Western guys are no longer treated like Rockstars in EE. So in other words, western men in some EE countries are no longer that exotic and thus not interesting to the local women.

Now, I am not "western" since I am local to eastern europe, but I am trying to make sense of the whole nationalities thing - that is to see what countries will work good for me. The thing is that, me going to Western europe/America will be a bad choice for obvious reasons, hence EE is the best place for guys from any country, doesn't matter if you're local or not.

Here is how I'm seeing the change since the fall of communism (for Western white guys):

1990s: Good countries if you're white western guy: Poland, Hungary, CZ.
2000s: Poland already no longer the best choice, good choices: Russia, Ukraine
2012/13+: Belarus? Serbia, Moldova, Bulgaria, Romania


It seems, for example as Hungary and the likes are overrun by British stag parties and many other western men then "central europe" these days will work best if you're Western black or western asian...or eastern euro guy from another country.
Russia could still be good choice if you're white western or serbian/bulgarian but can't say, last time I was there was in 2008 so not much recent data.

That's about it for now, may add more later...

Post: #2

Just check Ryanair website and which cities have lines from western Europe to eastern Europe. Those cities won't have anymore the attraction that they had before.

However, you cannot generalize the whole country. Poland for example, you cannot compare the crowd in Krakow which received thousands of tourists and foreign students per year and Katowice which is 80 kilometers away and totally different despite being a second-tiers city.

In my opinion it would better to talk about cities and not countries.

Post: #3

Why does it matter?
Don't expect to be treated like a rock start just for showing up to the party.
Improve your game and their won't be a problem.

The average dudes taking Ryanair flights to Riga are thirsty and gameless.
Game automatically gives the upper hand.

Post: #4

(08-29-2015 12:10 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Why does it matter?
Don't expect to be treated like a rock start just for showing up to the party.
Improve your game and their won't be a problem.

The average dudes taking Ryanair flights to Riga are thirsty and gameless.
Game automatically gives the upper hand.

This. I was also under the impression that rockstar status is a state of mind that has to be earned. It's difficult to master, but can be attained through vigorous self-brainwashing or by actually becoming "the shit".

See the first half of The Book of Pook for reference (to the OP).

Post: #5

(08-29-2015 04:50 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 12:10 PM)Sourcecode Wrote:  Why does it matter?
Don't expect to be treated like a rock start just for showing up to the party.
Improve your game and their won't be a problem.

The average dudes taking Ryanair flights to Riga are thirsty and gameless.
Game automatically gives the upper hand.

This. I was also under the impression that rockstar status is a state of mind that has to be earned. It's difficult to master, but can be attained through vigorous self-brainwashing or by actually becoming "the shit".

See the first half of The Book of Pook for reference (to the OP).

Game giving the upper hand and making you a rock star are two different things. Game always helps but having lots of game and little status isn't sustainable. You need to have a balance of social circle game, status, and good game in general to pull "rock star" quality girls on a consistent basis.

These things take time to build up and will take time away from making money and accomplishing goals. Balancing all this while maintaining a healthy lifestyle is not easy.

Post: #6

2005 Prague was very nice.

Post: #7

The first time I was in EE was in 2001, but I also know guys that started living in CZ, Russian and Poland long before that and we've discussed the topic at length. I consider this post and its assumptions a bit off base, so here is some reality.

Since your name is kraal... and that means king... in Czech or Slovak, so can I assume that you come from one of those countries?

(08-29-2015 06:01 AM)kral_belial Wrote:  I think Roosh had an interesting post somewhere (ROK?) a while back about how Western guys are no longer treated like Rockstars in EE. So in other words, western men in some EE countries are no longer that exotic and thus not interesting to the local women.

Probably more accurately, the gap between western men in EE countries and the local natives is no longer as big. That covers the areas of money and social evolution, but the EE countries have caught up more in terms of money than otherwise.

(08-29-2015 06:01 AM)kral_belial Wrote:  Now, I am not "western" since I am local to eastern europe, but I am trying to make sense of the whole nationalities thing - that is to see what countries will work good for me. The thing is that, me going to Western europe/America will be a bad choice for obvious reasons, hence EE is the best place for guys from any country, doesn't matter if you're local or not.

I don't know what the obvious reasons are. If the EE guy is a high level professional, he will be better off in the Western country. Without any in-demand skill, he would have to start at the bottom, which most EE girls are more willing to do than EE guys, IMHO. So your assumption seems to be that without money you are better off in EE. Maybe, maybe not, as other guys pointed out, you have to make your own magic. For many girls it's not about money. It's about the inner self.

(08-29-2015 06:01 AM)kral_belial Wrote:  Here is how I'm seeing the change since the fall of communism (for Western white guys):
1990s: Good countries if you're white western guy: Poland, Hungary, CZ.
2000s: Poland already no longer the best choice, good choices: Russia, Ukraine
2012/13+: Belarus? Serbia, Moldova, Bulgaria, Romania

In the 1990s it was pretty easy for any Westerner to meet girls who wanted to get out of the country and as I heard it a lot did. But when some got to the USA and discovered that they had to work harder to maintain the same lifestyle they had back home, a lot of them really wanted to go back home. So by the 2000s the EE girls were wise to the game and cast a tighter net and looked for a good provider. But they still weren't sharp enough to catch a honey-tongued seducer, so it was still not so hard.

The big change was after 2004 when a lot of the EE countries joined the EU. At that point girls didn't need the guy for the ticket out, they could just leave.
So over the next few years, a few at first and many later, the big capital cities, Warsaw, Krakow, Prague, that were previously the magnet for the adventure seeking girls from all over EE, emptied out of those girls as they moved on to London, Paris, Milan, etc. A couple of guys I know in these countries all pointed to this event as the major turning point and end of easy game. Similar for Ukraine pre and post the Orange revolution (after that Westerners could come without a visa, so there were a lot more)

From around 2010, with the influx of western companies that brought higher wages, the local EE guys started to be more competitive and have higher self esteem. Then local girls who were comfortable at home and maybe not so good at foreign languages, but still were interested in the financial aspect, were more interested in choosing them as they thought the best way to compete with the foreigners was to spend lots of money. But with more money in their pockets the local guys in the countries like PL, CZ, HU became more confrontational and a bit less welcoming to foreigners. This is especially true in CZ where lately they have had anti-immigration protests similar to the extreme right protests in Germany, except in CZ it is more of a mainstream movement. When their main reasons for not wanting the foreigners revolve around their behavior towards women (e.g. Muslims treat women bad, black guys are horny), it's suspicious as to what their true motives are. The flip side of that is that a lot of the large number of girls who have lived overseas, and are back home, are just trying to figure out a way to go back. They understand western culture and are really open to meeting foreign guys.

(08-29-2015 06:01 AM)kral_belial Wrote:  It seems, for example as Hungary and the likes are overrun by British stag parties and many other western men then "central europe" these days will work best if you're Western black or western asian...or eastern euro guy from another country.
Russia could still be good choice if you're white western or serbian/bulgarian but can't say, last time I was there was in 2008 so not much recent data.

I think you over emphasize the racial factor in the same way you appear to over emphasize the monetary aspect. Black and Asian guys have their fan clubs. The major detractor for them is that some EE guys think, as you mention, that they are big competition and try to bitch shame girls who go out with them. In reality, their major advantage may be that the girl who is looking for a foreigner may spot them more easily.

I would sum it up by saying, it's not as easy as it was 20 years ago, but there are still lots of opportunities for any guy that has his act together and can show that he has a little bit extra to offer (not only money, just social skills, insight, etc). Countries like belarus, romania, moldava are only more interesting in that they have less tourists so there is less competition for the girls who are looking for a foreigner, but as pointed out above if you have game you can go after all girls and then you don't need to worry so much about the competition.

A bigger factor may be online game. This one has been pointed out a lot elsewhere on this forum. But if you just go online to a website where girls are looking for foreigners (and you are foreign) then it's not too hard in any of these countries. In 1990 girls who wanted to hook up had to go out to do it. In 2015 they have tinder, and a dozen other ways to do it.

Post: #8

Many good points in the post above by JohnQPublic.

It's a number of factors really: when a country joins the EU, it's so much easier for foreigners to get in either through budget airlines, not needing a visa for work or the numerous student and cultural exchange programs the EU funds. It's also easier for the natives to get out and migrate to richer EU countries - just look at the rise in the Polish population across places like Germany and the UK and you'll get the idea. In both cases, the novelty of the foreigner quickly wears off.

The rising standard of living in these countries also removes the need to idolise foreigners so much. Not only can they survive at home in relative comfort, but some may have went abroad, realised the grass isn't always greener (higher costs of living for example) and come home happy to stick with their own.

The internet means you can meet people, read about countries, download their films and music, learn languages online through websites and skype etc etc. You don't turn your head when a foreigner walks down the street of a big city anymore.

When it's easy to get to a country, you don't just get wealthy or high-status travellers, you get anyone with a passport and drinking money for the weekend. When you see the reality of how average most people are from any country, it takes away some of the mystery and intrigue.

Generally, the negative side of foreigners has caught up with the positive stereotypes they had a couple of decades ago. Nothing special anymore.

Post: #9

20 years is a long time. Everything changes, all over the world, in that time. And in eastern Europe, the 1990s was a very special window, not some kind of baseline. So what's the point of comparisons? Accept change, adapt, that's all there is to it.

Post: #10

Take a look at some pics from a club for wannabes in Warsaw

https://m.facebook.com/theviewwarsaw/med....&refid=17

If you're not good looking with a decent bankroll you'd better head to Kiev.
Better looking girls and it is cheaper than PL

Post: #11

(09-02-2015 11:57 AM)sven1985 Wrote:  Take a look at some pics from a club for wannabes in Warsaw

https://m.facebook.com/theviewwarsaw/med....&refid=17

If you're not good looking with a decent bankroll you'd better head to Kiev.
Better looking girls and it is cheaper than PL

You need king baller game to do well in Warsaw: http://www.rooshv.com/the-king-of-warsaw

Post: #12

I have a Polish buddy, born and raised in Warsaw. He came to Toronto in his late 20's and lived here for several years until he moved back to Poland last year.

So I brought up the idea of what it was like to meet Polish women back in the 1990s or early 2000's when the fall of communism was relatively new, Western visitors were rare and exotic and there was widespread poverty. I assumed that it would have been incredibly easy to meet hot Polish girls.

He insisted that it is easier now to meet Polish women then it was back then. His explanation was more or less based on the idea that Polish people were just naturally very shy of outsiders back then. They were also used to growing up in a communist society where the west was considered "evil". Also, English was not widely spoken.

I have been to Warsaw, Krakow and Bialystok. In Bialystok or any other small/mid sized Polish city, Western men are still held in high regard. Not rock stars, but you need way less game to succeed than in the Western world.

Post: #13

one think I've noticed about Eastern Europe in the past few weeks is the fact that you have marauding gangs of Syrian, Afghani and Pakistani "refugees" traveling en masse through countries like Macedonia, Serbia & Hungary

Call me crazy but that's probably not a good thing for gamers.

Post: #14

thank all the drunk assholes from GB and the sex starved Italians for ruining most cities in EE...When I first went to Buda in 91, it was a gold mine. 20 years later, my English got confused with being "English", as most women were tired of the bachelor party idiots. Took a while to separate myself from the stigma, even though I was traveling alone.

ps question for the Italianos...what's up with your women? why are you act like sex starved morons in foreign countries?

Post: #15

(09-06-2015 12:37 PM)tommydglobal Wrote:  thank all the drunk assholes from GB and the sex starved Italians for ruining most cities in EE...When I first went to Buda in 91, it was a gold mine. 20 years later, my English got confused with being "English", as most women were tired of the bachelor party idiots. Took a while to separate myself from the stigma, even though I was traveling alone.

ps question for the Italianos...what's up with your women? why are you act like sex starved morons in foreign countries?

Question not only for them, so are black guys etc.

Post: #16

I was in Czech, Slovak and Poland in 1999. Of the three, Czech was the easier. It was not easy, but I was 18 and had no fear of rejection. I did get onenitis (twonitis?) for two girls there, and was gamed hard by a late 20's American English teacher. One of the Czech girls was so stunning that by the third time we met up she was so high on a pedestal that I almost had a breakdown.

Slovakia was full of stunners but they were much harder to meet. And the men were having nothing of me approaching their women. I felt threatened more than once, the only place I was ever more threatened was Serbia.

Poland (Krakow) was insane, but again the women were not as willing to come back to my hotel. But to me looking in, I thought Krakow was going to be paradise as the women were pounding vodka and dancing on bars. It seemed far more liberal than Prague, and even though the women were easy to approach -far easier than Slovak- they were not as willing to put out as the Czechs.

By 2008 Poland was way ahead of Czech. In fact I was shocked at how different the Czech women were. I have never been back to Czech since.

Post: #17

(09-06-2015 01:58 PM)Laner Wrote:  By 2008 Poland was way ahead of Czech. In fact I was shocked at how different the Czech women were. I have never been back to Czech since.

Could you elaborate more on this please?

I first went to Prague in 2005 and was literally blown away by the women. I banged a couple of 9's over my first weekend there and every club was like the after party of a fashion show, the chicks were like damn runway models! I ended up hooking up with a Czech chick for a couple of years and we went back and forth together until we broke up in 2008.

I hadn't been back since but decided to go over for a few days earlier this year and it has changed so much that I probably won't be going back ever again.

I think Czech girls, especially Prague chicks, are starting to believe in their own hype and have become a nation of pouting Instagram hoes and gold diggers, even though there is a noticeable decline in their natural beauty. They have gone from tall, slim models that easily put out to bitchy, tattooed Westernized chicks that make you work too damn hard.

In my recent experience, I pipelined some chicks that I met on Facebook and a few that I knew through mutual friends. Out of all the chicks that I had arranged to meet only one showed up, the rest total flaked on me and gave me some bullshit excises that they were too tired or busy to meet up or were having personal problems and wanted to be left alone that weekend. The one that did show up came with her two gay male friends, she was a only a 6, but we got on well until she left with her friends at the end of the night (well 6am the next morning), leaving me on my own.

The whole situation left me feeling so pissed off so I wasn't in the right frame of mind to make many approaches, and the few that I did turned out to be foreign chicks anyway. One Russian girl in a club, who left with her male friends soon after, and one Finnish chick who I met on a train, but some Spanish guy who she had met earlier, got on the same train, found her and totally cock blocked me. So even though I have recently banged Czech girls outside of their home country, I doubt I'll be running back for anything but their fantastic beer, as it just isn't worth it in my opinion.

Post: #18

I was first in Russia in 1993, actually there about the time they elected Yeltsin, it was the first fairly real election in , well, ever because I think they went straight to totalitarian Communism from Czarism.

I visited an apartment complex outside Moscow with hundreds of apartments and I only remember seeing ONE resident's car. People didn't even have dialup in their apartments. I had to email the girl I was visiting at her father's office.

It was totally different from what it became after the smartphone, night and day. I visited every two years or so until my Ukrainian landlord assaulted me in about 2012, and felt it had declined enough that as I also had aged, the opportunities weren't worth dealing with Slavic paranoia and bullying.

Internet ruined everything, the smartphone too, maybe the combination. They all think they're going to be marrying 6'4" YoungTallCool Germans or something, because that guy's on the internet and messaging them.

The young Slavic guys now are much more engaging and formidable competition, back then they were all wooden and dorky looking. The girls are fatter. lol, no use crying over spilt milk.

Post: #19

(09-06-2015 04:05 PM)Brick Top Wrote:  

(09-06-2015 01:58 PM)Laner Wrote:  By 2008 Poland was way ahead of Czech. In fact I was shocked at how different the Czech women were. I have never been back to Czech since.

Could you elaborate more on this please?

Polish women did not change their pleasant attitudes toward foreigners, but they did change their conservative attitude toward sex. Also I think that in the late 90's most women stayed in their respective villages, neighborhoods, etc. By mid 2000's the villages were empty and they did not have all the old ladies watching their chastity.

Prague on the other hand was dealt a staggering blow with discount airlines, stag parties, sex tourists and foreign guys falling all over them on a daily basis. As I mentioned I pedestaled a girl hard and she went cold so I learned a hard lesson early on with Slavic women.

Post: #20

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Post: #21

(09-07-2015 12:24 AM)The Ligurian Wrote:  It's easier now or at least if you put in the effort, as easy.

I was first in Moscow and Kiev in early 93. I was there for 2 months. I remember exactly what it was like as I wrote a meticulous diary every day. It was not quite the paradise people imagine it to have been in terms of women although we have to take into account my younger inexperienced self.

Fast forward to Kiev 2015. In the last 2 weeks I have slept with 5 different women, ( 4 new bangs and 1 a regular ), along with James Rodri pulled 2 girls for a immediate semi-orgy, had a hand job in the street from an ex professional rhythmic gymnast and number closed a model who has appeared in Russian Vogue. If I had not flaked twice on two other women it might have been more lays. I'm the other side of 40.

How good do people want it? Put yourself out there and it's as good now as ever. I recently read a book about Grand Tourism in the 1800's Europe. Those Victorians cursed the tourists of the 1700's who had seen the 'good old days'.

These are the good old days.

Bingo!

There is a tendency from people to don the glasses with a strong tint of nostalgia and look back at the 'good ol days'. It's natural. We try to imagine what it was like in the past and perceive it to be better. My parents and those of their generation (1st generation post WW2) speak fondly of the 1960s, a period which saw not only a social but also an economic revolution. I often hear these people speak about 1968, a pivotal year which saw great political upheaval from Peking to Prague. My grandparents remembered the 1920s & 30s as a period of relative peace where everyone was poor but happy. Life was more simple and innocent back then they said.

My sister in law's parents from Russia, regard the 1970s as perhaps the happiest times in their lives. They point to 1973-77 as the high point for the USSR. High oil prices in the wake of the Yom Kippur War left the USSR flush with cash for a short time. We in the West know it as the period of Brezhnev's Stagnation. I saw the black and white photos of the village kholkoz from the 70s. Lots of smiling and happy faces, filled with hope. Weddings, birthdays, anniversaries, Victory Day, May Day etc. People looked well fed and content. Tables filled with food and vodka. Musicians belting it out for the war veterans who paraded down the main street, medals bedecked, faces filled with pride. Children played in the background. The village looked really a sight better than the grim and sad place it is today. Flowers in every garden, the place festooned with colourful banners, flags of the USSR and RSFSR fluttering from lamposts and from school No. 51 on ul. Sverdlova. Balloons stuck to the porch of every home. Three generations of a family, Mum, Dad, kids and babushka jam packed into a dinky looking Zaporozhets off for a Sunday jaunt down to the local river or lake. The nearby city of Sverdlovsk(now Ekaterinburg) then a closed city, looked orderly and clean. Glancing through the photos, I can see why these people, haggered and worn with age and a decade of severe economic hardship recall these times with sadness when the photo album comes out after dinner.

There is a lesson in these examples for all of us. As the Ligurian said, there is no point in looking back at the past and imagining that things were better then. Take a leaf from many modern day Russians' book. Life life for the NOW not back in 1993, 2006 or whenever. I have been guilty of that. I lived for 18 months on and off in Bulgaria about 10 years ago and had a blast there. However those days are gone. Only the memories remain and they will stay exactly what they are, memories. Now I'm in Belarus experiencing a way of life and culture that 99.99% of my contemporaries back in my economically depressed shithole will never witness. I don't regret getting away from the Dickensian drudgery, greyness and melancholy which hangs over my home town. I have identified areas to work on personally but I intend to live life to the full, the way I want it.

Don't be the 50 year old sap in suburban DC or wherever who wakes up one grey Sunday morning, alone, walking around the parket floors of his 4 bedroom house, staring out the window of his fully fitted kitchen onto the driveway where the Lexus beamer is meticulously parked, wondering where all the years have gone before being filled with a stinging regret of what could have been instead of pursuing the dream burdened by a quarter of a century of a 9-6 Monday to Friday grind and commute, speckled with weekends with your dwindling number of likewise single friends at one of the many local bars selling piss that passes for beer or down at the tennis club hopelessly failing at flirting at the fit 20 y.o. fit blonde Ukrainian bar maid doing the summer shift on her J1 visa. The good times are NOW. Live it. You wont get another chance. We could all be gone tomorrow.

Post: #22

(09-07-2015 12:24 AM)The Ligurian Wrote:  It's easier now or at least if you put in the effort, as easy.

I was first in Moscow and Kiev in early 93. I was there for 2 months. I remember exactly what it was like as I wrote a meticulous diary every day. It was not quite the paradise people imagine it to have been in terms of women although we have to take into account my younger inexperienced self.

Fast forward to Kiev 2015. In the last 2 weeks I have slept with 5 different women, ( 4 new bangs and 1 a regular ), along with James Rodri pulled 2 girls for a immediate semi-orgy, had a hand job in the street from an ex professional rhythmic gymnast and number closed a model who has appeared in Russian Vogue. If I had not flaked twice on two other women it might have been more lays. I'm the other side of 40.

How good do people want it? Put yourself out there and it's as good now as ever. I recently read a book about Grand Tourism in the 1800's Europe. Those Victorians cursed the tourists of the 1700's who had seen the 'good old days'.

These are the good old days.

Absolutely.

Its why we commonly hear men say "If only I knew what I do now, back when I was 18". As we get older, more experienced, more confident we tend to know where to put ourselves in order to get pussy, money or whatever makes us happy. Part nostalgia part of it a face saving reason that we didn't take advantage of these places that in our memories were pussy paradise.

While I may not have consciously made important decisions based around pussy, they sure weighed in on my decisions. So when it came time for Czech vs Poland or Singapore vs Sweden or Japan vs Korea the female factor came into play. If a man has a choice, all things the same, why would he choose a place that could potentially handicap his sex life?

Post: #23

(09-07-2015 03:02 AM)Lord Tito Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 12:24 AM)The Ligurian Wrote:  It's easier now or at least if you put in the effort, as easy.

I was first in Moscow and Kiev in early 93. I was there for 2 months. I remember exactly what it was like as I wrote a meticulous diary every day. It was not quite the paradise people imagine it to have been in terms of women although we have to take into account my younger inexperienced self.

Fast forward to Kiev 2015. In the last 2 weeks I have slept with 5 different women, ( 4 new bangs and 1 a regular ), along with James Rodri pulled 2 girls for a immediate semi-orgy, had a hand job in the street from an ex professional rhythmic gymnast and number closed a model who has appeared in Russian Vogue. If I had not flaked twice on two other women it might have been more lays. I'm the other side of 40.

How good do people want it? Put yourself out there and it's as good now as ever. I recently read a book about Grand Tourism in the 1800's Europe. Those Victorians cursed the tourists of the 1700's who had seen the 'good old days'.

These are the good old days.

Bingo!

There is a tendency from people to don the glasses with a strong tint of nostalgia and look back at the 'good ol days'. It's natural. We try to imagine what it was like in the past and perceive it to be better. My parents and those of their generation (1st generation post WW2) speak fondly of the 1960s, a period which saw not only a social but also an economic revolution. I often hear these people speak about 1968, a pivotal year which saw great political upheaval from Peking to Prague. My grandparents remembered the 1920s & 30s as a period of relative peace where everyone was poor but happy. Life was more simple and innocent back then they said.

My sister in law's parents from Russia, regard the 1970s as perhaps the happiest times in their lives. They point to 1973-77 as the high point for the USSR. High oil prices in the wake of the Yom Kippur War left the USSR flush with cash for a short time. We in the West know it as the period of Brezhnev's Stagnation. I saw the black and white photos of the village kholkoz from the 70s. Lots of smiling and happy faces, filled with hope. Weddings, birthdays, anniversaries, Victory Day, May Day etc. People looked well fed and content. Tables filled with food and vodka. Musicians belting it out for the war veterans who paraded down the main street, medals bedecked, faces filled with pride. Children played in the background. The village looked really a sight better than the grim and sad place it is today. Flowers in every garden, the place festooned with colourful banners, flags of the USSR and RSFSR fluttering from lamposts and from school No. 51 on ul. Sverdlova. Balloons stuck to the porch of every home. Three generations of a family, Mum, Dad, kids and babushka jam packed into a dinky looking Zaporozhets off for a Sunday jaunt down to the local river or lake. The nearby city of Sverdlovsk(now Ekaterinburg) then a closed city, looked orderly and clean. Glancing through the photos, I can see why these people, haggered and worn with age and a decade of severe economic hardship recall these times with sadness when the photo album comes out after dinner.

There is a lesson in these examples for all of us. As the Ligurian said, there is no point in looking back at the past and imagining that things were better then. Take a leaf from many modern day Russians' book. Life life for the NOW not back in 1993, 2006 or whenever. I have been guilty of that. I lived for 18 months on and off in Bulgaria about 10 years ago and had a blast there. However those days are gone. Only the memories remain and they will stay exactly what they are, memories. Now I'm in Belarus experiencing a way of life and culture that 99.99% of my contemporaries back in my economically depressed shithole will never witness. I don't regret getting away from the Dickensian drudgery, greyness and melancholy which hangs over my home town. I have identified areas to work on personally but I intend to live life to the full, the way I want it.

Don't be the 50 year old sap in suburban DC or wherever who wakes up one grey Sunday morning, alone, walking around the parket floors of his 4 bedroom house, staring out the window of his fully fitted kitchen onto the driveway where the Lexus beamer is meticulously parked, wondering where all the years have gone before being filled with a stinging regret of what could have been instead of pursuing the dream burdened by a quarter of a century of a 9-6 Monday to Friday grind and commute, speckled with weekends with your dwindling number of likewise single friends at one of the many local bars selling piss that passes for beer or down at the tennis club hopelessly failing at flirting at the fit 20 y.o. fit blonde Ukrainian bar maid doing the summer shift on her J1 visa. The good times are NOW. Live it. You wont get another chance. We could all be gone tomorrow.

Sir or Lord.
+1 from me.
This was so spot on I had to laugh out loud.
I have friends in that age range and they are defeated, despite all the "luxuries" they have in life.

Post: #24

(09-07-2015 02:00 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 03:02 AM)Lord Tito Wrote:  

(09-07-2015 12:24 AM)The Ligurian Wrote:  It's easier now or at least if you put in the effort, as easy.

I was first in Moscow and Kiev in early 93. I was there for 2 months. I remember exactly what it was like as I wrote a meticulous diary every day. It was not quite the paradise people imagine it to have been in terms of women although we have to take into account my younger inexperienced self.

Fast forward to Kiev 2015. In the last 2 weeks I have slept with 5 different women, ( 4 new bangs and 1 a regular ), along with James Rodri pulled 2 girls for a immediate semi-orgy, had a hand job in the street from an ex professional rhythmic gymnast and number closed a model who has appeared in Russian Vogue. If I had not flaked twice on two other women it might have been more lays. I'm the other side of 40.

How good do people want it? Put yourself out there and it's as good now as ever. I recently read a book about Grand Tourism in the 1800's Europe. Those Victorians cursed the tourists of the 1700's who had seen the 'good old days'.

These are the good old days.

Bingo!

There is a tendency from people to don the glasses with a strong tint of nostalgia and look back at the 'good ol days'. It's natural. We try to imagine what it was like in the past and perceive it to be better. My parents and those of their generation (1st generation post WW2) speak fondly of the 1960s, a period which saw not only a social but also an economic revolution. I often hear these people speak about 1968, a pivotal year which saw great political upheaval from Peking to Prague. My grandparents remembered the 1920s & 30s as a period of relative peace where everyone was poor but happy. Life was more simple and innocent back then they said.

My sister in law's parents from Russia, regard the 1970s as perhaps the happiest times in their lives. They point to 1973-77 as the high point for the USSR. High oil prices in the wake of the Yom Kippur War left the USSR flush with cash for a short time. We in the West know it as the period of Brezhnev's Stagnation. I saw the black and white photos of the village kholkoz from the 70s. Lots of smiling and happy faces, filled with hope. Weddings, birthdays, anniversaries, Victory Day, May Day etc. People looked well fed and content. Tables filled with food and vodka. Musicians belting it out for the war veterans who paraded down the main street, medals bedecked, faces filled with pride. Children played in the background. The village looked really a sight better than the grim and sad place it is today. Flowers in every garden, the place festooned with colourful banners, flags of the USSR and RSFSR fluttering from lamposts and from school No. 51 on ul. Sverdlova. Balloons stuck to the porch of every home. Three generations of a family, Mum, Dad, kids and babushka jam packed into a dinky looking Zaporozhets off for a Sunday jaunt down to the local river or lake. The nearby city of Sverdlovsk(now Ekaterinburg) then a closed city, looked orderly and clean. Glancing through the photos, I can see why these people, haggered and worn with age and a decade of severe economic hardship recall these times with sadness when the photo album comes out after dinner.

There is a lesson in these examples for all of us. As the Ligurian said, there is no point in looking back at the past and imagining that things were better then. Take a leaf from many modern day Russians' book. Life life for the NOW not back in 1993, 2006 or whenever. I have been guilty of that. I lived for 18 months on and off in Bulgaria about 10 years ago and had a blast there. However those days are gone. Only the memories remain and they will stay exactly what they are, memories. Now I'm in Belarus experiencing a way of life and culture that 99.99% of my contemporaries back in my economically depressed shithole will never witness. I don't regret getting away from the Dickensian drudgery, greyness and melancholy which hangs over my home town. I have identified areas to work on personally but I intend to live life to the full, the way I want it.

Don't be the 50 year old sap in suburban DC or wherever who wakes up one grey Sunday morning, alone, walking around the parket floors of his 4 bedroom house, staring out the window of his fully fitted kitchen onto the driveway where the Lexus beamer is meticulously parked, wondering where all the years have gone before being filled with a stinging regret of what could have been instead of pursuing the dream burdened by a quarter of a century of a 9-6 Monday to Friday grind and commute, speckled with weekends with your dwindling number of likewise single friends at one of the many local bars selling piss that passes for beer or down at the tennis club hopelessly failing at flirting at the fit 20 y.o. fit blonde Ukrainian bar maid doing the summer shift on her J1 visa. The good times are NOW. Live it. You wont get another chance. We could all be gone tomorrow.

Sir or Lord.
+1 from me.
This was so spot on I had to laugh out loud.
I have friends in that age range and they are defeated, despite all the "luxuries" they have in life.

+1 from me too.

This post lives up to your Marshal Tito avatar.

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Lord Tito Wrote:Now I'm in Belarus experiencing a way of life and culture that 99.99% of my contemporaries back in my economically depressed shithole will never witness. I don't regret getting away from the Dickensian drudgery, greyness and melancholy which hangs over my home town. I have identified areas to work on personally but I intend to live life to the full, the way I want it.

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Lord Tito Wrote:Don't be the 50 year old sap in suburban DC or wherever who wakes up one grey Sunday morning, alone, walking around the parket floors of his 4 bedroom house, staring out the window of his fully fitted kitchen onto the driveway where the Lexus beamer is meticulously parked, wondering where all the years have gone before being filled with a stinging regret of what could have been instead of pursuing the dream burdened by a quarter of a century of a 9-6 Monday to Friday grind and commute, speckled with weekends with your dwindling number of likewise single friends at one of the many local bars selling piss that passes for beer or down at the tennis club hopelessly failing at flirting at the fit 20 y.o. fit blonde Ukrainian bar maid doing the summer shift on her J1 visa. The good times are NOW. Live it. You wont get another chance. We could all be gone tomorrow.

Lord Amen.