Post: #1

Another study confirming basic RP truths -- 70 percent of divorces are initiated by women, and primarily because it is "harder" on them when they lose the tingles..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/solo...e-divorce/

Quote:Scientists have known for decades that wives are usually the ones asking for a divorce. But Rosenfeld’s study also surveyed people in non-marital romantic relationships, from casual flings to couples who had lived together for several years; in those relationships, women and men initiated breakups at equal rates. So there’s something about marriage that makes it harder on women.

They even address at the beginning that women expect too much out of their mate -- must be a clown, seducer, father and provider, but immediately state that women are the ones who have it worse.

Post: #2

"There's something about marriage that makes it harder for women."

That's one way of spinning it. Another would be that women have positives incentives to divorce (receiving assets and income), whereas man have strong incentives not to (losing assets and income). But that would make men the 'victims', so I guess it can't be true.

Post: #3

Quote:Scientists have known for decades that wives are usually the ones asking for a divorce. But Rosenfeld’s study also surveyed people in non-marital romantic relationships, from casual flings to couples who had lived together for several years; in those relationships, women and men initiated breakups at equal rates. So there’s something about marriage that makes it harder on women.

Unfortunately, these "scientists" fail to cast aside their political beliefs, and thus damage their ability to do science.

Data: non-marital relationship break-ups initiated equally; marital relationship break-ups initiated by women. Obvious conclusion: women benefit from breaking marital relationships more than men.

Pay no attention to the common sense in the room. Don't let it disturb your beliefs.

Post: #4

Quote:“Today Americans want not only a spouse who is reliable and reasonable, but also someone who is their best friend, and a great lover, and someone who pays the bills … but is also really fun,” said Stanford sociologist Michael Rosenfeld."

Translation- if you are not a Navy S.E.A.L. brain surgeon/GQ model who H.A.L.O. jumps into remote villages in Syria to save puppies, only to come home and give her screaming orgasms for four straight hours and then do the dishes- you are worthless scum and she will divorce you and take all of your hard earned money....after screwing the repair guy.

Quote:"According to research that Rosenfeld presented at the American Sociological Association’s annual meeting last week, these heightened expectations can leave women feeling worse off in marriage than men."

Translation- Men actually live in reality.

Quote:"On the whole, they also reported less satisfaction with their marriages than men."

Question- When is your typical American cunt satisfied with anything?

Quote:"One woman, who was 23 when the study began in 2009, initially reported a “good” (4 out of 5 points on the satisfaction scale) relationship with her husband-to-be: “He is very clever, fun, and sweet. I respect him and feel like we are equals on values, intellect and humor.”

She noted, however, “It is not ‘excellent’ because I wish that he was more romantic. He’s very practical.”

Four years later, the couple got divorced. In early 2015, she said, “I used to be a very happy optimistic person and it was like he was slowly starving my soul.”

Translation- He doesn't moisten my va-jay-jay anymore, because that selfish bastard works his ass off so that I can afford the latest iphone.

*sigh*

Post: #5

The number one rule is to keep a woman in check.... demand more from here. Point out her faults. Make her respect you, even if you are chronically unemployed.

And if all else fails, start chasing younger, prettier women. Even though they hate it and claim that you are driving them crazy, the thought of you not being, 'theirs' anymore will make them want you more.

There is a great movie about it. Term of Trial

Post: #6

(08-27-2015 07:38 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

Quote:Scientists have known for decades that wives are usually the ones asking for a divorce. But Rosenfeld’s study also surveyed people in non-marital romantic relationships, from casual flings to couples who had lived together for several years; in those relationships, women and men initiated breakups at equal rates. So there’s something about marriage that makes it harder on women.

Unfortunately, these "scientists" fail to cast aside their political beliefs, and thus damage their ability to do science.

Data: non-marital relationship break-ups initiated equally; marital relationship break-ups initiated by women. Obvious conclusion: women benefit from breaking marital relationships more than men.

Pay no attention to the common sense in the room. Don't let it disturb your beliefs.

Bingo. The immense added incentivization marriage adds to hypergamy long game is undeniably quantifiable. What happened to the dowry? I doubt women's families even pay for entire weddings anymore. Certainly BOTH sides - on top of the $5k+ ring - foot the cost. But the wedding is essentially the carrot on the string for the man, or so it would seem. "We'll giver HER her fairy tale wedding, for a lifetime of your enslavement." It's a chain weighted royal ass fucking.

The 28yo+ women who can't snare a guy into marriage do it with children out of wed lock, leaning on the state/county to enforce child support, the "real" cost of which is NEVER split between both parents.

I know of a smoking hot 35 yo, looks like a magazine model at that age. Has 3 kids with her ex husband, and another kid with her rebound after him. She remains unmarrried, but collects so much in child support she was able to buy a condo, a new car, AND care for the best her kids could ever want. Both her "exes" make 100k+ a year. Not to mention, she also gets alimony from the marriage. She holds a job so it "looks" good on paper, working 10-20 hrs a week.

Post: #7

Quote:For most of Western history, marriage had little equality. Wives bore the brunt of child care and housework, depended on their husbands for financial support and enjoyed little social autonomy while men openly had affairs.

I'm not seeing the part about depending upon someone else for support as being some kind of hardship. Never mind that they still do depend on their husbands for financial support - even if that financial support often arrives in the form of alimony checks after she's hit the road.

Post: #8

(08-27-2015 08:29 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

Quote:For most of Western history, marriage had little equality. Wives bore the brunt of child care and housework, depended on their husbands for financial support and enjoyed little social autonomy while men openly had affairs.

I'm not seeing the part about depending upon someone else for support as being some kind of hardship. Never mind that they still do depend on their husbands for financial support - even if that financial support often arrives in the form of alimony checks after she's hit the road.

For me the hilarious part is their expression that they "enjoyed little social autonomy while men openly had affairs."

(1) "Social autonomy" = "ability to have affairs". On this site, we don't discuss having consensual sex with women, we practice social autonomy! XD

(2) The idea that men could openly have affairs without consequence to them socially is about as daft an idea as I've heard since coming on this site. There's basically only one Western nation where it's more or less socially accepted that guys could have a side order of fries: France. And even then it is not done openly but rather is tolerated.

Every other Western nation founded or evolving with a Christian impetus behind it had the Ten Commandments rooted into its collective psyche, and in particular, the commandment "Thou shalt not commit adultery". Christianity condemned men fucking women other than their wives. It was a mortal sin, i.e. die with that one on your conscience and you're going straight to hell. At the very least it was socially taboo. When Christianity did have a firm hold over the Western social conscience, it at the very least shamed men who had affairs. Anyone who says otherwise did not grow up through the earlier part of this century.

Post: #9

(08-27-2015 07:58 PM)Charles Martel Wrote:  

Quote:“Today Americans want not only a spouse who is reliable and reasonable, but also someone who is their best friend, and a great lover, and someone who pays the bills … but is also really fun,” said Stanford sociologist Michael Rosenfeld."

Translation- if you are not a Navy S.E.A.L. brain surgeon/GQ model who H.A.L.O. jumps into remote villages in Syria to save puppies, only to come home and give her screaming orgasms for four straight hours and then do the dishes- you are worthless scum and she will divorce you and take all of your hard earned money....after screwing the repair guy.

Quote:"According to research that Rosenfeld presented at the American Sociological Association’s annual meeting last week, these heightened expectations can leave women feeling worse off in marriage than men."

Translation- Men actually live in reality.

Quote:"On the whole, they also reported less satisfaction with their marriages than men."

Question- When is your typical American cunt satisfied with anything?

Quote:"One woman, who was 23 when the study began in 2009, initially reported a “good” (4 out of 5 points on the satisfaction scale) relationship with her husband-to-be: “He is very clever, fun, and sweet. I respect him and feel like we are equals on values, intellect and humor.”

She noted, however, “It is not ‘excellent’ because I wish that he was more romantic. He’s very practical.”

Four years later, the couple got divorced. In early 2015, she said, “I used to be a very happy optimistic person and it was like he was slowly starving my soul.”

Translation- He doesn't moisten my va-jay-jay anymore, because that selfish bastard works his ass off so that I can afford the latest iphone.

*sigh*

There's something really wrong with the establishment and social "sciences" if they can put out drivel like that and come to such faulty conclusions. Because women have "heightened" expectations which are understandably not met, it's somehow someone else's fault rather than the woman's fault for having such expectations?

Maybe I should have unrealistic expectations out of a relationship too. If a woman I'm in a LTR with doesn't go out and get me random women for 3somes with her nightly, I'm going to lose my shit and it's my LTR's fault because she can't meet my expectations.

Post: #10

Story of my life. Luckily no marriage, but close.

Post: #11

(08-27-2015 07:37 PM)Ocelot Wrote:  "There's something about marriage that makes it harder for women."

That's one way of spinning it. Another would be that women have positives incentives to divorce (receiving assets and income), whereas man have strong incentives not to (losing assets and income). But that would make men the 'victims', so I guess it can't be true.

Women are hypergamy-motivated serial daters who are looking for the next best thing.

However the incentives for divorce are massive for women. Men shouldn't marry on principle (with very few exceptions) until laws are returned to UK-level around 1850.

Back then: No tingles? No problem, pack your suitcase, kiss your kids good-bye and then get the fuck out of your ex-husband's house - no alimony, no child-support, no children, no nothing. The only viable reasons for any payments back then were physical or financial abuse (not giving family money while having it for himself). All other reasons - lack of tingles, husband having a mistress etc. - all of that could only be used to pack her shit and be off without a penny and without having any parental rights left. Also the same shit was extended to men. If a man wanted divorce only infidelity (grave when women in child-bearing age are concerned), lack of fulfillment of marital duties (no sex) or insanity were valid reasons to end the marriage. And even then was he obligated to care for her somehow. If a man wanted a divorce because he wanted to marry his hot young mistress, then his wife retained parental rights and was liable to receive ample cash. Back then the marriage contract was fair and balanced offering both partners a strong legal bond for the sake of raising children and building civilization.

Now it's a lopsided scam contract which only favors women almost every step of the way - combined with the inherent hypergamy, divorce-porn for women and feminism, marriage simply is a male meat-grinder:









Roosh tweeted one of those vids recently about a Russian groom being humiliated on his wedding day by his wife. Of course the guys displayed Beta behavior, but inherently they were right to feel angry about it.

The wives showed clearly a lack of devotion in that moment. It was basically a public shit-test. Female love rather works in the way of adoration for a man. Her having puppy love for you is not enough - she should adore you and if she cannot serve you in this little gesture of feeding you the cake in a doting manner on your fucking wedding, then it's all downhill from there. And Russian women are even less tolerant of Beta behavior than it seems.

Post: #12

Quote:Expectations for a spouse are much higher than they used to be.

Right off the bat they're lying. Divorce for women equals, monthly checks, kids, housing if needed, alimony and welfare checks. No social disapproval at all, she can just use the "abuse" card and all is forgiven.

Sanity and fairness will only return when the women's welfare system collapses.

Post: #13

(08-27-2015 07:58 PM)Charles Martel Wrote:  

Quote:“Today Americans want not only a spouse who is reliable and reasonable, but also someone who is their best friend, and a great lover, and someone who pays the bills … but is also really fun,” said Stanford sociologist Michael Rosenfeld."

Translation- if you are not a Navy S.E.A.L. brain surgeon/GQ model who H.A.L.O. jumps into remote villages in Syria to save puppies, only to come home and give her screaming orgasms for four straight hours and then do the dishes- you are worthless scum and she will divorce you and take all of your hard earned money....after screwing the repair guy.

Quote:"According to research that Rosenfeld presented at the American Sociological Association’s annual meeting last week, these heightened expectations can leave women feeling worse off in marriage than men."

Translation- Men actually live in reality.

Quote:"On the whole, they also reported less satisfaction with their marriages than men."

Question- When is your typical American cunt satisfied with anything?

Quote:"One woman, who was 23 when the study began in 2009, initially reported a “good” (4 out of 5 points on the satisfaction scale) relationship with her husband-to-be: “He is very clever, fun, and sweet. I respect him and feel like we are equals on values, intellect and humor.”

She noted, however, “It is not ‘excellent’ because I wish that he was more romantic. He’s very practical.”

Four years later, the couple got divorced. In early 2015, she said, “I used to be a very happy optimistic person and it was like he was slowly starving my soul.”

Translation- He doesn't moisten my va-jay-jay anymore, because that selfish bastard works his ass off so that I can afford the latest iphone.

*sigh*

This was quality hate. Thoroughly enjoyed.

Post: #14

(08-28-2015 03:41 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Roosh tweeted one of those vids recently about a Russian groom being humiliated on his wedding day by his wife. Of course the guys displayed Beta behavior, but inherently they were right to feel angry about it.

The wives showed clearly a lack of devotion in that moment. It was basically a public shit-test. Female love rather works in the way of adoration for a man. Her having puppy love for you is not enough - she should adore you and if she cannot serve you in this little gesture of feeding you the cake in a doting manner on your fucking wedding, then it's all downhill from there. And Russian women are even less tolerant of Beta behavior than it seems.

The kick was pretty good, but I would really enjoy seeing one where the groom grabs the table and flips it- with the cake flying through the air all over some bridesmaids.

Post: #15

(08-28-2015 04:10 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

Quote:Expectations for a spouse are much higher than they used to be.

Right off the bat they're lying. Divorce for women equals, monthly checks, kids, housing if needed, alimony and welfare checks. No social disapproval at all, she can just use the "abuse" card and all is forgiven.

Sanity and fairness will only return when the women's welfare system collapses.

Post: #16

This is why I hate threads like 'Every man needs to get married and have kids!' or shit like 'chasing pussy erodes your soul!, build a lasting relationship with a wife!' 'Do the right thing!'
you don't want to be a soulless man, get married!

All that shit just guilts men into getting married.

Marriage is a bad fucking deal for men. It can't be overemphasized. Yea, Id like to live in an ideal world and bond with them, but the reality keeps smacking me in the face. Every scientific study and most anecdotal stories show you are delusional and stupid to trust a woman that much. Women don't stay attracted to you the way you are attracted to them. And if you pull it off it's a huge amount of work.

Post: #17

(08-28-2015 11:30 AM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  This is why I hate threads like 'Every man needs to get married and have kids!' or shit like 'chasing pussy erodes your soul!, build a lasting relationship with a wife!' 'Do the right thing!'
you don't want to be a soulless man, get married!

All that shit just guilts men into getting married.

Marriage is a bad fucking deal for men. It can't be overemphasized. Yea, Id like to live in an ideal world and bond with them, but the reality keeps smacking me in the face. Every scientific study and most anecdotal stories show you are delusional and stupid to trust a woman that much. Women don't stay attracted to you the way you are attracted to them. And if you pull it off it's a huge amount of work.

Post: #18

(08-28-2015 06:14 AM)Renzy Wrote:  

(08-28-2015 04:10 AM)zombiejimmorrison Wrote:  

Quote:Expectations for a spouse are much higher than they used to be.

Right off the bat they're lying. Divorce for women equals, monthly checks, kids, housing if needed, alimony and welfare checks. No social disapproval at all, she can just use the "abuse" card and all is forgiven.

Sanity and fairness will only return when the women's welfare system collapses.

And as long as women have the right to vote, I seriously doubt this will ever change.

Post: #19

(08-28-2015 04:09 PM)Samseau Wrote:  And as long as women have the right to vote, I seriously doubt this will ever change.

I believe it will. Just in ways people will not expect or like. I have not given much thought about it, yet. But a system like this is simply not sustainable, much like my former country (Yugoslavia). That is why I fear that once it will start crumbling... violence shall ensue with innocents in the crossfire. Only because of the delusions of a self selected few that believe that they can chain Nature and make it bend towards their wills.

Post: #20

I think several of you really hit the nail on the head -- women are not incentivized to stay married, particularly once their emotions change. A six-year relationship dissolves outside of marriage, she has no legal right to anything. However, within a marriage, she has ample economic incentives to leave.

Post: #21

(08-29-2015 02:58 PM)trian1 Wrote:  I think several of you really hit the nail on the head -- women are not incentivized to stay married, particularly once their emotions change. A six-year relationship dissolves outside of marriage, she has no legal right to anything. However, within a marriage, she has ample economic incentives to leave.

Maybe in the extremely rare case that she is married to a guy with no debts, has a lot of money saved, all of which is marital, and who can afford to pay alimony after covering all of his own expenses. How many guys in the United States satisfy all of those requirements? 1%? Maybe not even that. In the vast majority of cases, all a women will see after a divorce is child support, if she even sees that.

Post: #22

(08-29-2015 03:14 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:58 PM)trian1 Wrote:  I think several of you really hit the nail on the head -- women are not incentivized to stay married, particularly once their emotions change. A six-year relationship dissolves outside of marriage, she has no legal right to anything. However, within a marriage, she has ample economic incentives to leave.

Maybe in the extremely rare case that she is married to a guy with no debts, has a lot of money saved, all of which is marital, and who can afford to pay alimony after covering all of his own expenses. How many guys in the United States satisfy all of those requirements? 1%? Maybe not even that. In the vast majority of cases, all a women will see after a divorce is child support, if she even sees that.

Courts require the man to pay alimony if he is the breadwinner, and don't take into consideration the man's expenses. See Dave Foley (Canadian court, but same principle)

Post: #23

(08-29-2015 03:14 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:58 PM)trian1 Wrote:  I think several of you really hit the nail on the head -- women are not incentivized to stay married, particularly once their emotions change. A six-year relationship dissolves outside of marriage, she has no legal right to anything. However, within a marriage, she has ample economic incentives to leave.

Maybe in the extremely rare case that she is married to a guy with no debts, has a lot of money saved, all of which is marital, and who can afford to pay alimony after covering all of his own expenses. How many guys in the United States satisfy all of those requirements? 1%? Maybe not even that. In the vast majority of cases, all a women will see after a divorce is child support, if she even sees that.

The courts don't give two shits about the general state of the economy and the fact that it's not 1970 anymore when an uneducated manual worker could make enough dough to pay for a house, a car and support a non-working wife with 2,5 children.

Nowadays the performance demand is the same and the media, entertainment and academia blasts it out every fucking day. Recently saw it with NFL players and some young students the pro was seeing.
One girl: "My father is an asshole."
Pro NFL player: "Uh - careful - sometimes it turns out he is not such a bad guy after all."
Girl: "He is behind child support."
Player: "Well, then he is an asshole." Laughter.

Indeed - because child support for an NFL player is not problematic, but for the average Joe it's something else completely. Our system has turned from the one of the nuclear family into one of child support. Whether a man has the cash to support his ex-family or not is irrelevant in total since the government and the men of society will support the family through taxes anyway. Apart from that 100.000+ men are in prison in the US right now for not having paid child support - zero women by the way despite many of them not paying their share either. Oh - and the fees and penalties keep rising even if the fathers are behind bars. Essentially the currently one million fathers behind bars in the US will likely never catch up to their official child support obligations.

https://bitchmedia.org/post/this-fathers...-in-prison

Thus in return can the mothers withhold their visitation rights indefinitely and they are all "assholes".

Post: #24

(08-29-2015 05:55 PM)trian1 Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 03:14 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(08-29-2015 02:58 PM)trian1 Wrote:  I think several of you really hit the nail on the head -- women are not incentivized to stay married, particularly once their emotions change. A six-year relationship dissolves outside of marriage, she has no legal right to anything. However, within a marriage, she has ample economic incentives to leave.

Maybe in the extremely rare case that she is married to a guy with no debts, has a lot of money saved, all of which is marital, and who can afford to pay alimony after covering all of his own expenses. How many guys in the United States satisfy all of those requirements? 1%? Maybe not even that. In the vast majority of cases, all a women will see after a divorce is child support, if she even sees that.

Courts require the man to pay alimony if he is the breadwinner, and don't take into consideration the man's expenses. See Dave Foley (Canadian court, but same principle)

Not where I am. There are three kinds of alimony, temporary, rehabilitative, and indefinite. Temporary requires the proof of pending litigation, the need of one of the parties, and the ability to pay on the other party. Rehabilitative is for a fixed amount of time and can be extended under some circumstances. Indefinite is when due to age, illness, or some other factors, even if one spouse makes as much progress toward being self sufficient as cannot reasonably be expected, the respective spouses' standards of living will be unconscionably disparate. All of these require ability to pay on behalf of the payor. Further when assets are distributed, marital debt is also taken into consideration. In 2015, how many women will be entitled to anything after mortgages, credit cards, car loans, and car leases which were incurred during the marriage are factored in. Very, very few. It used to be much more. I started out during the real estate boom. If people were unhappy in their marriage, they could just refinance their home , get the other person off the deed, give the person leaving the home his or her money, and everybody was happy, including lawyers. Those days are over. Long over. As I said, maybe 1% is debt free and has some marital property which the other side could get. The rest are credit card warriors or worse and in the vast majority of cases, the woman woll be worse off financially when she leaves. The only move then would to marry a high value guy or leach off of some high value guy and often, that ship already sailed or was never even an option.

Post: #25

(08-29-2015 06:09 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  Indeed - because child support for an NFL player is not problematic, but for the average Joe it's something else completely. Our system has turned from the one of the nuclear family into one of child support. Whether a man has the cash to support his ex-family or not is irrelevant in total since the government and the men of society will support the family through taxes anyway. Apart from that 100.000+ men are in prison in the US right now for not having paid child support - zero women by the way despite many of them not paying their share either. Oh - and the fees and penalties keep rising even if the fathers are behind bars. Essentially the currently one million fathers behind bars in the US will likely never catch up to their official child support obligations.

https://bitchmedia.org/post/this-fathers...-in-prison

If John Oliver wants to get back in my good books, he needs to do a segment on this