Post: #51

Jesus, all I hear from OP in multiple threads is whining. "Canada sucks, why are they so mean to me with my fancy qualifications which don't even include a degree?" You're like a woman, saying one thing, yet then doing something completely different (staying despite an easy out back to UK)

I have multiple friends at professional levels from many places, and between most first world countries, there are generally agreements in place to move back and forth without too much trouble, because they realize that a mobile workforce educated to common standards is valuable for everyone. I have Brit doctor friends who do exchanges to Montreal, I myself have worked in multiple countries, and have many other friends with real skills/experience (professional/trades) who've done the same. Not always easy, hell to get PR in Oz I'd have to do an English test, but their country, their rules. Didn't used to be, but I guess they got fed up with too many Americans/Brits/whoever coming down and not knowing English.

To blithely say that "education in the UK is *far* superior to Canada" reeks of arrogance. Did Newton have some secret fourth law that he only revealed to you guys? Are our doctors routinely killing people and our buildings routinely falling down because people don't know what they are doing?

Especially in lieu of the past few weeks in terms or SJW/feminism shit, I can appreciate that Canada isn't good in that regard, but Canada is a huge frigging place, and it's not all like that I assure you. And there are quite a few good things, like you can reasonably be expected not to be robbed by the police walking down the street, and though slightly more challenging now, you can make a very good wage out west if you're willing to bust your ass.

Bottom line I guess is that the proof is in the pudding. Its unfortunate doctors from third world countries are driving cabs, but like you, they always have the option to go back. By their actions it seems that they would prefer to be driving a cab in a stable, rich country, than being a doctor back in where ever they came from. More people want in than out, and frankly the only reason many here can zip off to these far off lands and live like kings is because we weren't born there making $5 a day.

Post: #52

(08-23-2015 09:39 PM)Seadog Wrote:  Bottom line I guess is that the proof is in the pudding. Its unfortunate doctors from third world countries are driving cabs, but like you, they always have the option to go back. By their actions it seems that they would prefer to be driving a cab in a stable, rich country, than being a doctor back in where ever they came from. More people want in than out, and frankly the only reason many here can zip off to these far off lands and live like kings is because we weren't born there making $5 a day.

Seadog you hit the nail on the head there, that even goes for inter-provincial migrants such as myself, often I will hear my friends bitching about how much they miss home and don't like living out west, I'm guilty of it myself sometimes and the response I give and get is always, "if ya don't like it out here then fuck off back home!"

Post: #53

(08-23-2015 09:39 PM)Seadog Wrote:  Jesus, all I hear from OP in multiple threads is whining. "Canada sucks, why are they so mean to me with my fancy qualifications which don't even include a degree?" You're like a woman, saying one thing, yet then doing something completely different (staying despite an easy out back to UK)

I have multiple friends at professional levels from many places, and between most first world countries, there are generally agreements in place to move back and forth without too much trouble, because they realize that a mobile workforce educated to common standards is valuable for everyone. I have Brit doctor friends who do exchanges to Montreal, I myself have worked in multiple countries, and have many other friends with real skills/experience (professional/trades) who've done the same. Not always easy, hell to get PR in Oz I'd have to do an English test, but their country, their rules. Didn't used to be, but I guess they got fed up with too many Americans/Brits/whoever coming down and not knowing English.

To blithely say that "education in the UK is *far* superior to Canada" reeks of arrogance. Did Newton have some secret fourth law that he only revealed to you guys? Are our doctors routinely killing people and our buildings routinely falling down because people don't know what they are doing?

Especially in lieu of the past few weeks in terms or SJW/feminism shit, I can appreciate that Canada isn't good in that regard, but Canada is a huge frigging place, and it's not all like that I assure you. And there are quite a few good things, like you can reasonably be expected not to be robbed by the police walking down the street, and though slightly more challenging now, you can make a very good wage out west if you're willing to bust your ass.

Bottom line I guess is that the proof is in the pudding. Its unfortunate doctors from third world countries are driving cabs, but like you, they always have the option to go back. By their actions it seems that they would prefer to be driving a cab in a stable, rich country, than being a doctor back in where ever they came from. More people want in than out, and frankly the only reason many here can zip off to these far off lands and live like kings is because we weren't born there making $5 a day.

One thing is false though, go to Montreal and you will see that our bridges, our interchanges and our roads are shitty and collapsing. Its third world shit there XD a

Post: #54

(08-24-2015 01:31 AM)MrRoundtree Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 09:39 PM)Seadog Wrote:  Jesus, all I hear from OP in multiple threads is whining. "Canada sucks, why are they so mean to me with my fancy qualifications which don't even include a degree?" You're like a woman, saying one thing, yet then doing something completely different (staying despite an easy out back to UK)

I have multiple friends at professional levels from many places, and between most first world countries, there are generally agreements in place to move back and forth without too much trouble, because they realize that a mobile workforce educated to common standards is valuable for everyone. I have Brit doctor friends who do exchanges to Montreal, I myself have worked in multiple countries, and have many other friends with real skills/experience (professional/trades) who've done the same. Not always easy, hell to get PR in Oz I'd have to do an English test, but their country, their rules. Didn't used to be, but I guess they got fed up with too many Americans/Brits/whoever coming down and not knowing English.

To blithely say that "education in the UK is *far* superior to Canada" reeks of arrogance. Did Newton have some secret fourth law that he only revealed to you guys? Are our doctors routinely killing people and our buildings routinely falling down because people don't know what they are doing?

Especially in lieu of the past few weeks in terms or SJW/feminism shit, I can appreciate that Canada isn't good in that regard, but Canada is a huge frigging place, and it's not all like that I assure you. And there are quite a few good things, like you can reasonably be expected not to be robbed by the police walking down the street, and though slightly more challenging now, you can make a very good wage out west if you're willing to bust your ass.

Bottom line I guess is that the proof is in the pudding. Its unfortunate doctors from third world countries are driving cabs, but like you, they always have the option to go back. By their actions it seems that they would prefer to be driving a cab in a stable, rich country, than being a doctor back in where ever they came from. More people want in than out, and frankly the only reason many here can zip off to these far off lands and live like kings is because we weren't born there making $5 a day.

One thing is false though, go to Montreal and you will see that our bridges, our interchanges and our roads are shitty and collapsing. Its third world shit there XD a

Probably because the public works in Quebec is run by the mafia.

Post: #55

Not really, everything was built in 1960-1970 with stupid building/concrete codes coming from Texas, which is kind of crazy considering the difference of weather there but engineers were not super aware of the consequences of frost/defrosting at the time and now it is starting to show. The Concrete Code and the Minister of Infrastructures requirements are much much stricter now that it was back in the days and numerous studies at École Polytechnique de Montréal were done and are still done on the subject. For exemple it is well known that the Champlain Bridge was badly designed and now they have to build a new one. This has nothing to do with the contractors.

The mafia are usually italian contractors working on smaller projects and nothing of grand scale. These guys never worked on the great dams of Quebec. It is true though that some of them are subcontractors on larger infrastructures but usually this doesn't affect the quality of the work if the EPCM firm knows what they are doing and apply the strict measures that didn't exist at the time.

Post: #56

(08-24-2015 02:28 AM)MrRoundtree Wrote:  Not really, everything was built in 1960-1970 with stupid building/concrete codes coming from Texas, which is kind of crazy considering the difference of weather there but engineers were not super aware of the consequences of frost/defrosting at the time and now it is starting to show. The Concrete Code and the Minister of Infrastructures requirements are much much stricter now that it was back in the days and numerous studies at École Polytechnique de Montréal were done and are still done on the subject. For exemple it is well known that the Champlain Bridge was badly designed and now they have to build a new one. This has nothing to do with the contractors.

The mafia are usually italian contractors working on smaller projects and nothing of grand scale. These guys never worked on the great dams of Quebec. It is true though that some of them are subcontractors on larger infrastructures but usually this doesn't affect the quality of the work if the EPCM firm knows what they are doing and apply the strict measures that didn't exist at the time.

Not trying to start a war over this, but one of my previous Hockey teammates use to manage a team of hookers so he dabbled in pretty much all the dirty facets of criminal life. On multiple occasions he confirmed to me that the construction business is 100% run by them, especially in the city of Montreal. No matter if the project is big or small, they have a say in it. Scotian is 100% right on this one, at least for the city on Mtl.

Post: #57

Its all over really, some of the biggest construction companies in the oil patch were started by or are actively run by large criminal organizations like the HA.

Post: #58

I am talking about the contractors, do you really think a legit entrepreneur like Kiewit or EBC is run by mafia? We never heard anything about an infrastructure built by Kiewit having problems so far in Quebec (A25 for exemple, built in time and within budgets). SNC-Lavalin has been corrupted, same as Dessau but I wouldn't call corruption as being run by mafia.

Of course there's a lot of shady things, I worked in that field, I'm a civil engineer and my dad is a contractor too, it is well known that Montreal has a lot of mafia contractors but I would say for the EPCM firms its more due to corruption/ignorance/lack of ethic. But more often it is the contractors who are extremely connected to the mafia, a lot of them are run by italians Montrealers. Some contractors are only there for making quick money and are throwing invoices left and right, trying to put the blame on the client and being dishonest.

But the disaster of Montreal infrastructures is due to the shitty design codes used at the time. Engineers were still engineers back then and the quality of the work had to meet a standard, especially on governmental jobs. The standards used at the time were just not good for the city.

Post: #59

The "no canadian experience" is more of a reflection of a tight job market than any immigration issues and system to rig it in favor of canadians. I'm an immigrant, my father came here 15 years ago and worked menial jobs for a while until his paperwork was sorted out. Because of his education he was allowed to challenge the P.eng exams, he passed them and has been working as a professional engineer since, although it took about a year before he could practice. Many of his friends also came in the same time in the 1990s and the same happened to them.

Toronto and ontario in general isn't doing so well, not having canadian experience is just an excuse they use to reject you, live with it and keep moving. In fact I'd like to see a stricter immigration policy on who gets to do what and who can immigrate here, canada is pretty easy to get PR and citizenship for a first world country. We also shouldn't just give people a pass just because they're from europe or the states, they should duke it out with everyone else.

As to the OP, you should've stayed at oxbridge. Degrees from those two places actually mean a lot here in canada believe it or not and is a huge leg up compared to the students being pumped out of UofT.

Post: #60

(08-24-2015 05:45 PM)MrRoundtree Wrote:  I am talking about the contractors, do you really think a legit entrepreneur like Kiewit or EBC is run by mafia? We never heard anything about an infrastructure built by Kiewit having problems so far in Quebec (A25 for exemple, built in time and within budgets). SNC-Lavalin has been corrupted, same as Dessau but I wouldn't call corruption as being run by mafia.

One of the largest EPCM companies active in Alberta, which I won't name here got their big start after they bought out a medium sized oil field construction company which allegedly was run by bikers. I wouldn't be surprised if SNC-Lavalin have mafia influences, they are responsible for some pretty dodgy dealings in Libya, including human rights offences. As for Kiewit, ask around about the tank that Ganotech (Quebec based company bought out by Kiewit in 07') fucked up royally at the Exxon Kearl Oil Sands site, I'm pretty sure that Fluor or Exxon sued them over that one.

Post: #61

I sold immigration for a bit when I lived in London. I can tell you it isn't easy to get over here from a lot of places, I turned away a lot of people who didn't qualify under the points program. In fact my boss was a crook, he made a lot of money giving false hopes to people who wanted to live the Canadian dream. In the end, he let me go because I wasn't willing to sell his new package. This consisted of charging people for a student visa, which would give them an option to work full time afterwards. This is a complete lie and I have morals when it comes to taking peoples money.

I find it humorous when people that came here as immigrants, then turn around asking for tougher regulations. Canada has always been an immigrant country, we are under populated and need people. I think they should loosen the belt a bit, but I believe there is an agenda for keeping certain people out.
After all, that is the definition of immigration - it is about keeping certain people out.

Another trend I have seen, is people moving here from the USA. They dislike this place and end up moving back to the USA, the number one complaint is that they find Canada expensive.

Post: #62

(08-24-2015 07:52 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  I sold immigration for a bit when I lived in London. I can tell you it isn't easy to get over here from a lot of places, I turned away a lot of people who didn't qualify under the points program. In fact my boss was a crook, he made a lot of money giving false hopes to people who wanted to live the Canadian dream. In the end, he let me go because I wasn't willing to sell his new package. This consisted of charging people for a student visa, which would give them an option to work full time afterwards. This is a complete lie and I have morals when it comes to taking peoples money.

I find it humorous when people that came here as immigrants, then turn around asking for tougher regulations. Canada has always been an immigrant country, we are under populated and need people. I think they should loosen the belt a bit, but I believe there is an agenda for keeping certain people out.
After all, that is the definition of immigration - it is about keeping certain people out.

Another trend I have seen, is people moving here from the USA. They dislike this place and end up moving back to the USA, the number one complaint is that they find Canada expensive.

It wouldn't be very politically correct of me to point this out but, the most successful immigrant communities who drive around in Bentleys and Ferraris in Vancouver tend to look down on immigrants who collect welfare in Rexdale.

Post: #63

^Every ethnic group thinks they are better than the next in Canada.

I assume you are talking about the Rich Chinese looking down on the Somalis.

Post: #64

Somalis who come here via refugee status and sponsorship. The country has been in the refugee list for decades that is why they come over in such large numbers.

They are not the same as the system entry educated Algerian Muslims who speak multiple languages and have a slid education, you can see the differeces clearly. The waves of Serbs who came in during the war were a rag tag group also, many refugee groups will have way more bad apples coming in.

As far as welfare goes more Canadians abuse it then immigrants. In Canada immigrants typically live in co-op housing versus pure social housing, that is really just a GTA thing I find IMO (not sure how it works in Montreal). In my hometown I can list off the co-cop complexes that make good money renting big units for new families to squeeze into. 90% of the immigrants in my town start off in these complexes while its the Canadian single mothers packed up in the social housing.

The Vancouver-China situation was born out of Canada needing cash and exploiting a rush of wealthy Hong Kong Chinese who wanted to flee after the transfer back to China. The govt had a hush hush money for visa typenprpgram for a while then and cashed in on the huge demand for wealthy Chinese to move here. If I can remember it was as blantsnt as these wealthy folks being pushed into buying Canadian bonds, It was legal fraud but our Govt needed the money.

Post: #65

OP, the Canadian experience requirement is part of the limited jobs available in the Greater Horseshoe Area. Unfortunately lots of people don't really want to leave the region and get sucked in by their family and friends, and remain un-or-underemployed. There's good work in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and northern BC.

I know many people who moved here from India, West or South East Africa and were working almost immediately. Now that the oil boom is over, unfortunately that will change.

As Scotian mentioned, Canada's immigration system is one of the best in the world. And we have avoided the issues that have plagued America even as Canada has actually changed demographically far more than the USA over the last three decades.

Post: #66

The whole "Canadian experience" requirement is a scam but it's also a scam that just filters out more immigrants. My parents immigrated here and dealt with the same bullshit. They worked part-time jobs while writing exams and upgrading their degrees to get "Canadian accreditation". As others pointed out the job market in Toronto and the GTA/Ontario has never been the same since 07-08 and it's competitive as hell. I have read studies about how the GTA is one of the most competitive job markets in the world with an over-saturation of people with degrees, designations, and tons of experience. At this point anyone wanting to work in Toronto has to simply realize the realities of the job market. There's no point in whining, just gotta deal with it and do your best to thrive here.

On top of that as many others pointed out the Canadian immigration system is one of the best in the world and even though the immigrants coming here are now not European and mostly come from Asia/Africa, the country has avoided the problems faced by Europe/USA. Even the Muslim integration here is better than most of the developed world. We have had a couple of scares but so far we have been sheltered by the worst of Muslim extremism. My only beef is that many restaurants in the GTA now only serve Halal meat to target the Muslim clientele and I don't wanna be forced to eat Halal meat (no offense to Muslims on the forum). I have even stopped going to a couple of places which switched to Halal meat in the last couple of years. However, in the grand scheme of things that's not that big of a deal.

Immigration is a hot button topic on the forum due to majority of the members being from the US and the country having a huge illegal immigrants problem. In the light of that I am happy with the way things are here regarding immigration.

Post: #67

(08-22-2015 11:30 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  ^ This is the type of commentary I like to read about.

Because he agreed with you?

OP, they probably aren't hiring you because there was a Candidate with similar or perhaps even lesser credentials who was an overall 'Better cultural fit'. In other words, they were raised locally and are thus deemed more capable and better to work with.

Recently, it was all the rage to hire the person with the highest accolades when it came to education but that is slowly changing. The winds of education inflation are flooding the workplace with idiots who bluffed their way through university or even paid someone else to do it for them, these are guys who aren't good cultural fits to begin with, but when you get them in the workplace you see their lack of practical application of skills stick out like a sore thumb.

Canada & Australia have similar education and immigration requirements. As countries, they are some of the most highly regulated in the world and at the same time, they field extensive 'unskilled' work forces who regardless of their lack of credential have, from a lifetime of following stringent procedure, are far more capable to work and thrive in the western workplace than an immigrant with a degree. Usually.

Post: #68

(08-23-2015 10:17 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 07:26 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  Did any of you guys who migrated to Canada ever encountered a statement from an HR interviewer that "you have no Canadian experience"?

You claim to have studied at Oxford and Cambridge, yet your English is filled with grammatical errors.

Either those universities have really low standards, or you are a liar and a troll. I am going to bet on the latter.

Oxford and Cambridge are the names of the examination boards. The OP appears to have sat A-Level which are the examinations taken by millions of kids at age 18. I’m almost certain he doesn’t have a Bachelors degree from Oxford or Cambridge.

Sitting exams run by the Oxbridge examination board is not the same thing as doing an undergrad degree at one of the universities.

I took and passed some UCLA Online Extension modules - does that make me a UCLA alumnus? No.

I find it hard to believe that an Oxford or Cambridge bachelor’s degree (if the OP has one) would not be accepted in the Canada. The whole world knows about those universities.

Post: #69

(08-30-2015 09:18 AM)kosko Wrote:  The Vancouver-China situation was born out of Canada needing cash and exploiting a rush of wealthy Hong Kong Chinese who wanted to flee after the transfer back to China. The govt had a hush hush money for visa typenprpgram for a while then and cashed in on the huge demand for wealthy Chinese to move here. If I can remember it was as blantsnt as these wealthy folks being pushed into buying Canadian bonds, It was legal fraud but our Govt needed the money.

This concept has several variations. The latest trend is education visa into work permit to PR. Big business on the West Coast with ESL programs and etc.

Post: #70

^ Can you elaborate on the visa/work permit thing?

Post: #71

TL DR version: international students(immigrants) pay international rates of course to learn in Canada. Education brokers catering to specifically non Canadians will get them placed in a vocational/business ESL program or etc at primarily private schools. Now they have legal status. Some complete their programs which may actually have been beneficial but the objective is to work once you have legal status. If they find jobs at companies that will sponsor their work permit, great. If not they do low end retail or labour and keep under the radar. Either way its a matter of time.

Where the money is, is in running the education programs at said private schools, the brokers cut, housing and co op programs. 1 large organization on the West Coast has recently bought pricey real estate in Richmond as student housing for rentals. Guess they are minting it.

Post: #72

^ Oh man this scam was going on big time in the UK a few years back.

I know a dude who made large cash because he owned a private school teaching computers. Most of the students wouldn't show up once they paid their tuition.

The dude then saw a need for immigration visas and moved into that making a fortune.

Post: #73

(08-31-2015 08:00 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(08-23-2015 10:17 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 07:26 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  Did any of you guys who migrated to Canada ever encountered a statement from an HR interviewer that "you have no Canadian experience"?

You claim to have studied at Oxford and Cambridge, yet your English is filled with grammatical errors.

Either those universities have really low standards, or you are a liar and a troll. I am going to bet on the latter.

Oxford and Cambridge are the names of the examination boards. The OP appears to have sat A-Level which are the examinations taken by millions of kids at age 18. I’m almost certain he doesn’t have a Bachelors degree from Oxford or Cambridge.

Sitting exams run by the Oxbridge examination board is not the same thing as doing an undergrad degree at one of the universities.

I took and passed some UCLA Online Extension modules - does that make me a UCLA alumnus? No.

I find it hard to believe that an Oxford or Cambridge bachelor’s degree (if the OP has one) would not be accepted in the Canada. The whole world knows about those universities.

You're right about the credentials, though I did Cambridge A-levels. I only had credits for a Bsc in Applied Accounting, which was only used for my Grade 12 Ontario school diploma!

However, there are many UK trained doctors, engineers, accountants who get their qualifications ignored by the Canadian job market, but that is another story to say what kind of qualifications they had. However, many UK universities do rank higher than Canadian university.

I wonder how the University of Toronto got in the top 25 rankings even though the university is feminist to the core?

Post: #74

(08-31-2015 06:19 PM)CodyB Wrote:  

(08-22-2015 11:30 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  ^ This is the type of commentary I like to read about.

Because he agreed with you?

OP, they probably aren't hiring you because there was a Candidate with similar or perhaps even lesser credentials who was an overall 'Better cultural fit'. In other words, they were raised locally and are thus deemed more capable and better to work with.

Recently, it was all the rage to hire the person with the highest accolades when it came to education but that is slowly changing. The winds of education inflation are flooding the workplace with idiots who bluffed their way through university or even paid someone else to do it for them, these are guys who aren't good cultural fits to begin with, but when you get them in the workplace you see their lack of practical application of skills stick out like a sore thumb.

Canada & Australia have similar education and immigration requirements. As countries, they are some of the most highly regulated in the world and at the same time, they field extensive 'unskilled' work forces who regardless of their lack of credential have, from a lifetime of following stringent procedure, are far more capable to work and thrive in the western workplace than an immigrant with a degree. Usually.

I've talked to guys who used to work in management, and they tell me that it doesn't matter if the man is white or not, people from the LGBT community and women are always given preference to the best jobs in Toronto.
There was a documentary back in 2005 where an engineer who wasn't getting hired in his field in Toronto got a job offer in the U.S. in a field he is experienced at. This is why America is a superpower and Canada is not; Canada chases away all the good talent and with this feminism that is growing there, many men who were born in Canada who took the Red Pill will be leaving Canada's shores for good. I've already known at least 8 men who already planned to leave Ontario because of the insane leftism and lack of job opportunities.

Post: #75

(08-30-2015 05:14 PM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  OP, the Canadian experience requirement is part of the limited jobs available in the Greater Horseshoe Area. Unfortunately lots of people don't really want to leave the region and get sucked in by their family and friends, and remain un-or-underemployed. There's good work in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and northern BC.

I know many people who moved here from India, West or South East Africa and were working almost immediately. Now that the oil boom is over, unfortunately that will change.

As Scotian mentioned, Canada's immigration system is one of the best in the world. And we have avoided the issues that have plagued America even as Canada has actually changed demographically far more than the USA over the last three decades.

Ontario has gone downhill with these Liberals and militant socialists. I'm suckered in with 1.5 more years of college in feminist infected Toronto. I wanted to move to Alberta back in April 2014 because I wanted to work there for the summer, but I made the mistake of sending my plans to a mangina staff at Ryerson University, and I was called in a meeting because they thought I would join some extremist group.
How racist of them! LOL....Toronto bureaucrats depend on more people for their Ponzi scheme, they will never suggest to anyone to move to another province.

The Toronto bureaucrats even hated on me when I told them I was away in Quebec! I'm not sure if Toronto is some open-air prison camp for straight males, but I'd tell any guy who wants to come to Canada to move West, or at least avoid Ontario.