Post: #976

(10-08-2017 03:49 PM)Jungle Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 09:21 AM)robreke Wrote:  fwiw Ukraine seemed okay to me, but I'm being cautious about LTR'ing/marrying women from more "desperate" economically-speaking, countries

Any insights on experiences/best countries for white girls?

I've experienced first-hand an equal amount of "desperate" (to get a visa in the west) girls in South East Asia, Eastern Europe and Latin America... basically in most developing countries there'll be some level of desire to upgrade their life for a perceived future affluence...

So your energy may be better spent in having acute antennae to screen a woman properly. The red flags and ways of screening a woman to know whether she loves you for you primarily, OR loves you for your money/citizenship primarily has been talked at great length in this forum.

But to answer your question I think the best countries for LTR/partner quality white girls are also the most traditional/conservative countries of Europe, e.g. Belarus, Ukraine, Poland etc ...

Regardless of which country you try to filter for a wife from, I still think the overarching factors you need to consider are this:

+ Does the girl have the "happy gene" as another member referred to it as?
+ Does her mother deeply love her father, and shows him respect?
+ Does the girl have a great relationship with her father?
+ Does the girl have a normal social circle of well-adjusted female friends that are in long-term relationships or marriages?

These are the basic filtration criteria that I start out with, regardless of which culture the girl comes from. It obviously doesn't hurt start with the more conservative countries first, then filter from the list above.

Post: #977

I would just like to say something about wife hunting in the Islamic world. If you have good money and are willing to convert I think this could be a great deal. If not... it's illegal in most of these countries for Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men. However, it's true that Muslim men can have up to 4 wives.... if you can afford them, and they do expect you to have a pile of cash to do this.

Lastly, I have noticed a particular attitude among some Muslim women regarding taking care of their bodies after marriage. Once they get married they go from the expectation of wearing attractive clothes with a hijab to basically becoming walking bed sheets. At this point I have had more than 1 woman tell me that Muslim husbands don't care how fat their wives get. I heard that and was thinking to myself... bullshit, but these ladies believe it 100%.

Post: #978

(10-09-2017 02:41 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 03:49 PM)Jungle Wrote:  

(10-08-2017 09:21 AM)robreke Wrote:  fwiw Ukraine seemed okay to me, but I'm being cautious about LTR'ing/marrying women from more "desperate" economically-speaking, countries

Any insights on experiences/best countries for white girls?

I've experienced first-hand an equal amount of "desperate" (to get a visa in the west) girls in South East Asia, Eastern Europe and Latin America... basically in most developing countries there'll be some level of desire to upgrade their life for a perceived future affluence...

So your energy may be better spent in having acute antennae to screen a woman properly. The red flags and ways of screening a woman to know whether she loves you for you primarily, OR loves you for your money/citizenship primarily has been talked at great length in this forum.

But to answer your question I think the best countries for LTR/partner quality white girls are also the most traditional/conservative countries of Europe, e.g. Belarus, Ukraine, Poland etc ...

Regardless of which country you try to filter for a wife from, I still think the overarching factors you need to consider are this:

+ Does the girl have the "happy gene" as another member referred to it as?
+ Does her mother deeply love her father, and shows him respect?
+ Does the girl have a great relationship with her father?
+ Does the girl have a normal social circle of well-adjusted female friends that are in long-term relationships or marriages?

These are the basic filtration criteria that I start out with, regardless of which culture the girl comes from. It obviously doesn't hurt start with the more conservative countries first, then filter from the list above.

Just wondering what the takeaway on the social circle factor is? My current girl ticks all the other boxes resoundingly but isn't a slam dunk on that one so just wondering what I should be looking for as positive/negative takeaways on that.

Post: #979

(10-09-2017 11:16 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  I would just like to say something about wife hunting in the Islamic world. If you have good money and are willing to convert I think this could be a great deal. If not... it's illegal in most of these countries for Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men. However, it's true that Muslim men can have up to 4 wives.... if you can afford them, and they do expect you to have a pile of cash to do this.

Lastly, I have noticed a particular attitude among some Muslim women regarding taking care of their bodies after marriage. Once they get married they go from the expectation of wearing attractive clothes with a hijab to basically becoming walking bed sheets. At this point I have had more than 1 woman tell me that Muslim husbands don't care how fat their wives get. I heard that and was thinking to myself... bullshit, but these ladies believe it 100%.

Muslim guys, or at least the few that I've interacted with, have told me they like women with more curves, even what would be considered on the thicker side.

Post: #980

(10-09-2017 05:20 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(10-09-2017 11:16 AM)EndsExpect Wrote:  I would just like to say something about wife hunting in the Islamic world. If you have good money and are willing to convert I think this could be a great deal. If not... it's illegal in most of these countries for Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men. However, it's true that Muslim men can have up to 4 wives.... if you can afford them, and they do expect you to have a pile of cash to do this.

Lastly, I have noticed a particular attitude among some Muslim women regarding taking care of their bodies after marriage. Once they get married they go from the expectation of wearing attractive clothes with a hijab to basically becoming walking bed sheets. At this point I have had more than 1 woman tell me that Muslim husbands don't care how fat their wives get. I heard that and was thinking to myself... bullshit, but these ladies believe it 100%.

Muslim guys, or at least the few that I've interacted with, have told me they like women with more curves, even what would be considered on the thicker side.

I do not have any experience spending time in the Muslim world. That being said, the more authentically Muslim the place is, the more likely the girl is to be conservative. That's just common sense. Places that are more Muslim in name only, such as Albania, will be slightly more relaxed.

As far as wives getting fatter after marriage if it is cultural/a Muslim thing, it wouldn't hurt to look at 40-year-old women in her geographic area and see if they plump up or stay fairly fit. Also, does the mother take care of her figure? That seems to be a fairly reliable indicator. Also, does she fave fit or fat friends?

I've completely ruled out Muslim women due to not wanting Muslim in-laws. While not all Muslims are terrorists, I find the bulk of them to be reflexively uncurious people when it comes to questioning why The Prophet was such a violent and sexually abusive man. Coming from a Catholic background, I'm more of a Deus Vult type than a "let's marry a Muslim girl and her family and hope for the best type".

The only way marrying a Muslim makes sense to me is if you're not religious or she isn't particularly religious either, nor is her family. Otherwise, you run the risk of the in-laws going medieval on her ass (or yours!). If I marry into a Catholic/Orthodox/Christian family, I don't have to put up wondering if my in-laws are going to "honor" kill my wife if she offends their snowflake triggers of backward social norms.

Personally, I see no upside in marrying into a Muslim family, unless they are Muslim in name only, which is to say---not that Muslim at all.

Post: #981

There's this site http://www[dot]loveme[dot]com/ which is operating since 1995. (maybe it has been mentioned before in this thread, I'm not sure) They do tours in Ukraine (Kiev, Poltava, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev) and have social gatherings where single men meet beautiful women (ratio of men to women is 1:10). They also have some videos on youtube showing how the program looks like.

To be honest, I'm very sceptical because

a) it's too expensive (10 days tour is $3,300 and 17 days $5,500).
b) most men seem to be from the U.S. and are middle aged (or even old, 60+), bald and fat.
c) it looks more like a bazar where men "shop" because they are rich westerners.
d) the women there - although very pretty - look for providers and/or to leave UA.
e) those social meetings have this awkward "losers" vibe, like why would a man spend so much money just to meet some UA women? Can't he do that alone?

Here's one recent, pretty short video of the Kherson meeting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LGPgtZ8TLs
And one of Kharkiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLeXoB4PQyo

Post: #982

Second Kharkov video, the 1:00 mark.... just another reason to leave the West. Just surprised that If girls really look like that in Kharkov why is it then that some of the guys from this forum did not do there well. It seems like total "pussy paradise", maybe even better than Kiev?

Anyways these looser western chaps dont realise that as soon as they bring one of these beauties home they will be stuck watching their back 24/7. Girls like these will be hit on constantly, especially in USA. Chance of these marriages working long-term is slim plus the stigma of having to tell others that you met on a "marriage tour" is something i personally could not live with and is such a desperate BETA move.

Post: #983

(10-10-2017 07:56 AM)TripleG Wrote:  Second Kharkov video, the 1:00 mark.... just another reason to leave the West. Just surprised that If girls really look like that in Kharkov why is it then that some of the guys from this forum did not do there well. It seems like total "pussy paradise", maybe even better than Kiev?

Anyways these looser western chaps dont realise that as soon as they bring one of these beauties home they will be stuck watching their back 24/7. Girls like these will be hit on constantly, especially in USA. Chance of these marriages working long-term is slim plus the stigma of having to tell others that you met on a "marriage tour" is something i personally could not live with and is such a desperate BETA move.

There are girls like those in the West.

Kharkov used to have great nightlife albeit spread out and with hard logistics. Not so good nowadays in that regard. Also the center is small, comprises mostly two streets, Pushkinskaya and Sumskaya. And the couples there are much more equilibrated in terms of looks than Kiev. Good looking guy with good looking girl. In Kiev sometimes is good looking guys with ugly girls, and nice girls with busted guys, though the later should certainly have money.

Post: #984

(10-10-2017 07:56 AM)TripleG Wrote:  Second Kharkov video, the 1:00 mark.... just another reason to leave the West. Just surprised that If girls really look like that in Kharkov why is it then that some of the guys from this forum did not do there well. It seems like total "pussy paradise", maybe even better than Kiev?

Anyways these looser western chaps dont realise that as soon as they bring one of these beauties home they will be stuck watching their back 24/7. Girls like these will be hit on constantly, especially in USA. Chance of these marriages working long-term is slim plus the stigma of having to tell others that you met on a "marriage tour" is something i personally could not live with and is such a desperate BETA move.

None of the guys in that video do well either.

Most of these girls would never be with any of those guys, despite what the video is trying to promote. Knowing Ukrainian women, they probably turned up for the free food and drinks

As for finding a bride in Ukraine, many guys here talk about finding that "wholesome Ukrainian women" who will give them children, cook all their food, wear short skirts, etc. But in reality most guys in Ukraine have given up even having a relationship with them, too many cultural differences, and nothing to talk to them about.

If you want a real hotty in Ukraine you better have a lot of money

Post: #985

(10-10-2017 07:56 AM)TripleG Wrote:  Second Kharkov video, the 1:00 mark.... just another reason to leave the West. Just surprised that If girls really look like that in Kharkov why is it then that some of the guys from this forum did not do there well. It seems like total "pussy paradise", maybe even better than Kiev?

Both videos are showing plenty of Ukrainian 7s but hardly any stunners. That is the typical quality of girls you see in mid end kind of nightclubs and bars.

And I agree with Bangboy this fairy tale of finding the innocent 18 year old Ukrainian village girl who looks like a model but will also cook for you while raising your kids is not happening nowadays especially with the increase of Social Media usage (especially Instagram).

If you manage to find a Ukrainian bride be prepared to pay for her full lifestyle. It does not matter if you bring her to the West or stay in Ukraine. Also be ready to take care of her parents.

If she is done with you or you are getting tired of supporting her be ready that she takes your kids (in case you get some) and to never see her or your kids again. I heard these stories in Kiev more than once.

The only option I would see to find a Ukrainian wife is to find is she is living outside of Ukraine for a couple of years and had to finance her own lifestyle.

Post: #986

(10-10-2017 08:33 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  many guys here talk about finding that "wholesome Ukrainian women" who will give them children, cook all their food, wear short skirts, etc.

I smell straw man

Post: #987

(10-10-2017 07:07 AM)Sky_Is_The_Limit Wrote:  There's this site http://www[dot]loveme[dot]com/ which is operating since 1995.

LoveMe.com (also known as A Foreign Affair and dozens of other clone sites) is largely a scam. It's largely full of girls from marriage agencies and any messages you send them are almost definitely not written by them, but by a "translator". You have to pay something like $7.50 to read a message and about the same to send one. The company that runs it puts their own girls on there from The Philippines, but I doubt you actually speak with them. The site is used to fleece $ out of gullible people and then lure them onto one of their tours, which are actually legitimate.

The only thing that site is useful for is using it to track down the girls on social media. You cam sometimes do that by Google Image searching their profile pics; or their name if it's got two parts to it or is uncommon. For Russians and Ukranians, you can often find them using https://findface.ru/ - This site searches photos and facial dimensions of photos on VK.com. Using that I of just VK.com I was able to track down a lot of profiles. The girls a real, with real DOBs etc., but they may either have sold a few photos to a marriage agency to use (if they are a model and which case more likely to be fake) or if they are real the marriage agency will only give you direct access to the girl after they have fleeced you big time.

Muslims - My comment on this is that if they are willing to marry a kufar then they are probably not really religious. Also, for those thinking that a Muslim wife might be demure and traditional, I don't think this is necessarily the case. Their countries are typically largely devoid of intellectual rigour. They adopt postures because they are largely fascist societies in which not doing so is not a good survival strategy. There isn't any reasoning behind their postures. The postures are held in place by varying levels of social policing and to a lesser extent the fear of god. Under the veil Islamic societies are teaming with degeneracy, such a the world capital of prostitution, Dubai.

My key thought when looking for a good wife is: look for someone who is conservative, demure (whatever characteristics you want) when their circumstances don't make that the likely outcome, i.e. a conservative girl who was raised by regressive parents in L.A. Someone who doesn't have such ideas because society/their peers demand it, or because a religion demands it, but because they came to such conclusions based on observing, thinking and digesting.

Post: #988

(10-10-2017 07:07 AM)Sky_Is_The_Limit Wrote:  There's this site http://www[dot]loveme[dot]com/ which is operating since 1995. (maybe it has been mentioned before in this thread, I'm not sure) They do tours in Ukraine (Kiev, Poltava, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev) and have social gatherings where single men meet beautiful women (ratio of men to women is 1:10). They also have some videos on youtube showing how the program looks like.

To be honest, I'm very sceptical because

a) it's too expensive (10 days tour is $3,300 and 17 days $5,500).
b) most men seem to be from the U.S. and are middle aged (or even old, 60+), bald and fat.
c) it looks more like a bazar where men "shop" because they are rich westerners.
d) the women there - although very pretty - look for providers and/or to leave UA.
e) those social meetings have this awkward "losers" vibe, like why would a man spend so much money just to meet some UA women? Can't he do that alone?

Here's one recent, pretty short video of the Kherson meeting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LGPgtZ8TLs
And one of Kharkiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLeXoB4PQyo

There's a Netflix documentary on this website called Love Me. Not sure if anyone else has seen it but I checked it out recently. I have to say, after watching the movie, I've concluded that this website is nothing but a legal scam.

In the movie, there were guys that paid over $10K to spend a week in Ukraine just talking to women. What they do is set up about 20 men to talk to 200 women in 2-3 different cities. Some of the ladies get scammed themselves because they expect younger men, ones with deeper pockets, or ones with more serious intentions than what they get.

Watching that movie though made me cringe a bit. My assumption was the men had never traveled outside of the country before and were not exposed to the information we have to getting girls yourself in countries like Ukraine. We have to remember that even now, a lot of guys still don't know all of the information out there, and this movie was made five years ago. So they think this type of trip is the only way they'd have access to the quantity and quality of women in the Ukraine, and it may be outside their comfort zone to do their own planning. Hell, even this year I met guys in the Philippines outside RVF and when I told 1-2 of them the girls I was hooking up with, they asked me if I paid for them because they weren't aware girls like that would sleep with them for free.

The movie followed six western guys. Three of them ended up ok, three ended really badly. One 70 year old got scammed real good by a single mother of two who basically married him to get a free vacation to Bali with her kids, another one proposed to a local who milked him for money for months and organized a fake bribe scam with a local guy, and then the real problem I had with the website was stealing $10,000 from the ultimate fool who paid a ton of money to get messages on the site translated to a "beautiful girl" which the movie hints was either a bot or somebody who works for the site cat fishing. That poor dude paid $10K in messages and then another $10K for the trip to meet that one "girl" when there were 200 available. Talk about oneitis to the max.

One American decided young Ukrainians weren't for him and went back to America to date women his own age. Two others did get married and from what I've heard, have both had it work out, but the men were early-mid 40's and the women were late 20's-early 30's so I'm not sure if anyone here would want that. My best guess would be one of the girls was a 6-7 and the other one was probably a 5. Still, I think those men upgraded compared to their American options as single 40's men so I wouldn't go down on them too hard.

I guess my conclusion is that the site seems to attract suckers and hopeless betas for the most part of their base, but a minority percentage of those guys actually seem like they have some common sense and just need a push. I don't know whether to be happy that they don't know what we do or wish that they could so they can save 80% of the money they put in and just do it themselves.

I can't speak for the RVFers that have tried to settle down in Ukraine and I've never been there, but it seems like an ok route to settle down but I'd agree they're harder women to bring back into America than Asian women because they're more the type for males here. As for me, I can't see myself settling down with a Russian/Ukrainian woman. Never been to Eastern Europe but I just get turned off from women with cold personalities and I had an ex kind of like that who would flip between warm and cold. I personally prefer the warmth of girls such as Filipinas.

Post: #989

(10-10-2017 08:46 AM)superschalk Wrote:  If you manage to find a Ukrainian bride be prepared to pay for her full lifestyle. It does not matter if you bring her to the West or stay in Ukraine. Also be ready to take care of her parents.

If she is done with you or you are getting tired of supporting her be ready that she takes your kids (in case you get some) and to never see her or your kids again. I heard these stories in Kiev more than once.

The only option I would see to find a Ukrainian wife is to find is she is living outside of Ukraine for a couple of years and had to finance her own lifestyle.

have been going out with ukrainian girls (2x medium term length) for the past 18 months or so and got into a little of their social circles... what you say can be true but also the opposite.. I heard stories from my main girl of a girl she knows who was with a ukrainian rich guy... 1 kid together. When he got bored, he dumped her, and started fabricating stories so that when he got the best lawyer in town, he even got to keep his son and got rid of her, left her totally pennyless too.
Women in ukraine are NOT "protected" by the state or their laws (in practice). My friend also has quite a few BEAUTIFUL friends who are single mums, that have been literally dumped and left penniless with their kid by unscrupolous men, mostly ukrainian but also foreigners

Post: #990

Themin,

How many would single Ukraian girls you say are actually religious? I've often felt that girls that had a strong Orthodox faith or were Eastern Catholic are more conservative than most, and might make for good wives. Are you clued in at all in those circles? It is one of my criteria for searching for a wife. Also, do you speak Russian or Ukrainian? As a non-speaker, I wonder how hard it would be to breach those social circles. Thoughts?

Post: #991

(10-11-2017 03:09 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Themin,

How many would single Ukraian girls you say are actually religious? I've often felt that girls that had a strong Orthodox faith or were Eastern Catholic are more conservative than most, and might make for good wives. Are you clued in at all in those circles? It is one of my criteria for searching for a wife. Also, do you speak Russian or Ukrainian? As a non-speaker, I wonder how hard it would be to breach those social circles. Thoughts?

learning russian right now (it's bloody hard!! )
the girls I met mostly spoke english (the 2 medium term relationships were with girls who were basically fluent)
Religion is definitely present, both girls i knew better were from other towns and moved to Kiev for uni, so their upbringing was more village and traditional values related for sure. None of them was actively going to church every weekend but they both did drop in every once in a while.
I will not tell you about a semi pro i met (and went out a couple times as she was hot and totally crazy in bed) who told me all sorts of debauchery with a PRIEST when she was 18 though ahahahahah

Post: #992

(10-11-2017 02:53 AM)Themin Wrote:  I heard stories from my main girl of a girl she knows who was with a ukrainian rich guy... 1 kid together. When he got bored, he dumped her, and started fabricating stories so that when he got the best lawyer in town, he even got to keep his son and got rid of her, left her totally pennyless too.
Women in ukraine are NOT "protected" by the state or their laws (in practice). My friend also has quite a few BEAUTIFUL friends who are single mums, that have been literally dumped and left penniless with their kid by unscrupolous men, mostly ukrainian but also foreigners

This is absolutely true. But in most cases these applies to Ukrainian guys. And then most of the guys don't give a fuck about their child anymore which I personally find pretty bad. I think men only need to pay about 2000 Grwinas child support a month which is basically nothing.

You will find plenty of single mums in Ukraine. Personally I find these women great for short term relationships because they know they are on the bottom of the ladder so they take extra care of themselves. Hitting the gym five times a week, eating healthy, dressing hot etc. etc.

Another point to mention is that girls who are into dating foreigners sometimes have several foreign boyfriends at the same time. They literally manage that so that one weekend her boyfriend from Italy is visiting while the next weekend a boyfriend from Germany is showing up in Kiev. A good way to see if a girl is like this is to check out her Instagram. If she has many pictures from her traveling to many different European cities and if she is always alone on these pics then its pretty clear that she has several boyfriends in each place. Ukrainian girls are smart and know how to play the game.

Post: #993

(10-11-2017 04:17 AM)superschalk Wrote:  This is absolutely true. But in most cases these applies to Ukrainian guys. And then most of the guys don't give a fuck about their child anymore which I personally find pretty bad. I think men only need to pay about 2000 Grwinas child support a month which is basically nothing.

You will find plenty of single mums in Ukraine. Personally I find these women great for short term relationships because they know they are on the bottom of the ladder so they take extra care of themselves. Hitting the gym five times a week, eating healthy, dressing hot etc. etc.

agreed! I would even add short to medium term relationships.. as their kids keep them busy enough to only be able to handle 1 BF at the time, with juggling work etc etc
That said, us westerners can be as bad as these ukrainans pieces of shit...I met one of these girls who had been in a LTR with a brit since she was in Uni at 21, guy was in his late 30s. They were together for SIX years, girl got pregnant at 22, guy wanted her to have an abortion etc, she kept the baby as she loved the guy etc etc. Guy built a business in ukraine, she ended up working for him.... as well as other parts of the EE, but he was travelling frequently and they were going on holidays together etc etc. He even went to the distance of meeting her family etc etc etc... this guy was a professional "scammer" when it comes to manipulating this girl etc. Now I don't know if the girl was too naive or totally in love, or knowing the whole thing from the beginning, but anyway after 6 years she finds out the guy was married, with 2 teenage girls back in UK. Guy had been inviting her to the UK for months at a time, he was absolutely juggling everything to perfection.... to the extent of inviting the ukrainian girl to cyprus and her little baby for holidays, when hir real family was on the other side of the island... we're talking absolutely crazy shit

(10-11-2017 04:17 AM)superschalk Wrote:  Another point to mention is that girls who are into dating foreigners sometimes have several foreign boyfriends at the same time. They literally manage that so that one weekend her boyfriend from Italy is visiting while the next weekend a boyfriend from Germany is showing up in Kiev. A good way to see if a girl is like this is to check out her Instagram. If she has many pictures from her traveling to many different European cities and if she is always alone on these pics then its pretty clear that she has several boyfriends in each place. Ukrainian girls are smart and know how to play the game.

totally true!!!
amazing how much you can find out this stuff from these girls' social network pages
I guess it all depends on the type of girls but 100% happens as you describe also

Post: #994

(10-10-2017 05:41 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  The movie followed six western guys. Three of them ended up ok, three ended really badly.

Your typical baller:





This is from a documatary, Louis Theroux: Thai Brides.

After getting engaged the Thai woman was picked up by a Belgian businessman.

Post: #995

(10-10-2017 03:10 PM)gework Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 07:07 AM)Sky_Is_The_Limit Wrote:  There's this site http://www[dot]loveme[dot]com/ which is operating since 1995.

LoveMe.com (also known as A Foreign Affair and dozens of other clone sites) is largely a scam. It's largely full of girls from marriage agencies and any messages you send them are almost definitely not written by them, but by a "translator". You have to pay something like $7.50 to read a message and about the same to send one. The company that runs it puts their own girls on there from The Philippines, but I doubt you actually speak with them. The site is used to fleece $ out of gullible people and then lure them onto one of their tours, which are actually legitimate.

The only thing that site is useful for is using it to track down the girls on social media. You cam sometimes do that by Google Image searching their profile pics; or their name if it's got two parts to it or is uncommon. For Russians and Ukranians, you can often find them using https://findface.ru/ - This site searches photos and facial dimensions of photos on VK.com. Using that I of just VK.com I was able to track down a lot of profiles. The girls a real, with real DOBs etc., but they may either have sold a few photos to a marriage agency to use (if they are a model and which case more likely to be fake) or if they are real the marriage agency will only give you direct access to the girl after they have fleeced you big time.

Muslims - My comment on this is that if they are willing to marry a kufar then they are probably not really religious. Also, for those thinking that a Muslim wife might be demure and traditional, I don't think this is necessarily the case. Their countries are typically largely devoid of intellectual rigour. They adopt postures because they are largely fascist societies in which not doing so is not a good survival strategy. There isn't any reasoning behind their postures. The postures are held in place by varying levels of social policing and to a lesser extent the fear of god. Under the veil Islamic societies are teaming with degeneracy, such a the world capital of prostitution, Dubai.

My key thought when looking for a good wife is: look for someone who is conservative, demure (whatever characteristics you want) when their circumstances don't make that the likely outcome, i.e. a conservative girl who was raised by regressive parents in L.A. Someone who doesn't have such ideas because society/their peers demand it, or because a religion demands it, but because they came to such conclusions based on observing, thinking and digesting.

Cannot be stressed enough. Stay off that website if you are serious about looking for a wife. It's pure junk. Most of the women are bottom of the barrel, and are openly looking to scam men, and they use a shitload of Photoshop and fraud profiles to hide old women.

I wrote an expose datasheet on another forum more or less of that website. Especially avoid the Asian section of that site. It's much worse than the European section is.

Post: #996

(10-10-2017 05:41 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  

(10-10-2017 07:07 AM)Sky_Is_The_Limit Wrote:  There's this site http://www[dot]loveme[dot]com/ which is operating since 1995. (maybe it has been mentioned before in this thread, I'm not sure) They do tours in Ukraine (Kiev, Poltava, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev) and have social gatherings where single men meet beautiful women (ratio of men to women is 1:10). They also have some videos on youtube showing how the program looks like.

To be honest, I'm very sceptical because

a) it's too expensive (10 days tour is $3,300 and 17 days $5,500).
b) most men seem to be from the U.S. and are middle aged (or even old, 60+), bald and fat.
c) it looks more like a bazar where men "shop" because they are rich westerners.
d) the women there - although very pretty - look for providers and/or to leave UA.
e) those social meetings have this awkward "losers" vibe, like why would a man spend so much money just to meet some UA women? Can't he do that alone?

Here's one recent, pretty short video of the Kherson meeting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LGPgtZ8TLs
And one of Kharkiv: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLeXoB4PQyo

There's a Netflix documentary on this website called Love Me. Not sure if anyone else has seen it but I checked it out recently. I have to say, after watching the movie, I've concluded that this website is nothing but a legal scam.

In the movie, there were guys that paid over $10K to spend a week in Ukraine just talking to women. What they do is set up about 20 men to talk to 200 women in 2-3 different cities. Some of the ladies get scammed themselves because they expect younger men, ones with deeper pockets, or ones with more serious intentions than what they get.

Watching that movie though made me cringe a bit. My assumption was the men had never traveled outside of the country before and were not exposed to the information we have to getting girls yourself in countries like Ukraine. We have to remember that even now, a lot of guys still don't know all of the information out there, and this movie was made five years ago. So they think this type of trip is the only way they'd have access to the quantity and quality of women in the Ukraine, and it may be outside their comfort zone to do their own planning. Hell, even this year I met guys in the Philippines outside RVF and when I told 1-2 of them the girls I was hooking up with, they asked me if I paid for them because they weren't aware girls like that would sleep with them for free.

The movie followed six western guys. Three of them ended up ok, three ended really badly. One 70 year old got scammed real good by a single mother of two who basically married him to get a free vacation to Bali with her kids, another one proposed to a local who milked him for money for months and organized a fake bribe scam with a local guy, and then the real problem I had with the website was stealing $10,000 from the ultimate fool who paid a ton of money to get messages on the site translated to a "beautiful girl" which the movie hints was either a bot or somebody who works for the site cat fishing. That poor dude paid $10K in messages and then another $10K for the trip to meet that one "girl" when there were 200 available. Talk about oneitis to the max.

One American decided young Ukrainians weren't for him and went back to America to date women his own age. Two others did get married and from what I've heard, have both had it work out, but the men were early-mid 40's and the women were late 20's-early 30's so I'm not sure if anyone here would want that. My best guess would be one of the girls was a 6-7 and the other one was probably a 5. Still, I think those men upgraded compared to their American options as single 40's men so I wouldn't go down on them too hard.

I guess my conclusion is that the site seems to attract suckers and hopeless betas for the most part of their base, but a minority percentage of those guys actually seem like they have some common sense and just need a push. I don't know whether to be happy that they don't know what we do or wish that they could so they can save 80% of the money they put in and just do it themselves.

I can't speak for the RVFers that have tried to settle down in Ukraine and I've never been there, but it seems like an ok route to settle down but I'd agree they're harder women to bring back into America than Asian women because they're more the type for males here. As for me, I can't see myself settling down with a Russian/Ukrainian woman. Never been to Eastern Europe but I just get turned off from women with cold personalities and I had an ex kind of like that who would flip between warm and cold. I personally prefer the warmth of girls such as Filipinas.

Good post but you can find cold bitches in any country and in any region. If you are an introverted man, even if it feels annoying, you probably need an extroverted woman, just for your own sake.

A wife does need to balance you. If you have extroverted kids constantly nagging for something, and both of you are too introverted to bother, the kid suffers. Someone needs to have the drive to address certain things. My exwife was introverted and I learned enough not to make that mistake again.

A typical conversation was "What do you want to do? "I dunno. Nothing."

My wife is very extroverted, as well as younger than me. She will go the extra mile when I could give a fuck less about lots of things. I pick up the slack on things she has poor experience with or does not have the knowledge of.

Interplay between you and the wife candidate has to have SYNERGY. She still is not your equal in the relationship, but she has to have synergistic properties that balance things out. If you are a wild guy or very extroverted, you probably need a solid gal that will drop hints that you are over-extending yourself and your efforts on something.

I don't see many successful examples of couples that do well outside of E/I or I/E splits. Sometimes a super introvert [90/100] can handle a low [0-20/100] Introvert and vis versa, but still it is not ideal, because an ultra introvert is not exactly balanced either and has room to grow and improve as a man. You do not want an "apathy funk" to spread through the household you are trying to build like some ringworm. Stop it from even being an issue by screening for this from jump street.

Post: #997

What country or specific area can I find this type of women:

-Speak English or Russian
-Light skin with a dark hair and skinny complexion
-No tattoos or piercing

Post: #998

Warrior,

Look into Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Slovakia all come to mind.

As for finding a traditional woman in those countries, I'd look for girls that regularly attend a Catholic or Orthodox church regularly and has a great relationship with her family. Avoid barhound girls.

Everyone else: Does anyone have Travesty's contact information? If so, someone message him and tell him to get his butt back in this thread with an update! For some reason he has PM's turned off on this forum. Travesty, did you find your woman, or are you still in the hunt?

Post: #999

(10-12-2017 02:54 AM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Warrior,

Look into Romania, Ukraine, Russia, Slovakia all come to mind.

As for finding a traditional woman in those countries, I'd look for girls that regularly attend a Catholic or Orthodox church regularly and has a great relationship with her family. Avoid barhound girls.

Everyone else: Does anyone have Travesty's contact information? If so, someone message him and tell him to get his butt back in this thread with an update! For some reason he has PM's turned off on this forum. Travesty, did you find your woman, or are you still in the hunt?

Romania and Slovakia don't speak English or Russian.
Ukrainian are not my type, I prefer the darker hair with round butts.

Post: #1000

I've met a number of girls from Romania and Slovakia that speak Russian, not sure if that's an anomaly or not.

If you really want a girl that speaks Russian, why not head to Russia? Russian women have quite a bit of diverse looks.