Post: #876

(01-05-2017 03:55 AM)jabba Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 08:44 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  I'm giving it another go with a second girl I met in Moscow in November. We have only met a few times the week I was there. "Wife hunting" will be premature at this point but she is coming to stay with me in California for a few weeks. She is a personal trainer at the top Moscow fitness chain and her life is above average. We did know of some of the same people. I was only able to kiss her there and social media points to a family/responsible woman. I will admit that there has to be a little bit of crazy in her to travel half way around the world to see a man. She got the visa and plane ticket on her own. Seems motivated but not too much. I'll let you know how this one plays out. 30 7.5/8

For all those considering an LTR with EE girls, I've been blind to a woman's natural tendencies.

Lessons Learned...
Don't pay for her trips to visit you in the North America.
Why - She will expect you to pay for all the vacations and never understand the value of money.

Pick a country where the quality of are girls on par or better than your girl.
Why - If she starts to misbehave, then leave her on the spot. Don't think about 1 girl. You need to look out for yourself. There are plenty of other girls who want to meet you. Whenever a girl was acting weird on a date, I knew which clubs / lounges I would go right after seeing her.

It's very important to conduct from a position of authority, because this brings abundance to your mindset. You may crush her ego and make her cry, but it's better than you getting crushed.

She can obtain her own visa (work / tourist).
Why - She understands how to strategize and comply with governmental regulations. Her ability to think rationally is very important. This is huge. If things don't work out, then there's less pressure for both parties vs. the fiancee visa route. Also, this gives both of you breathing room to see if the relationship is viable. If things work out, then it's awesome you found a beautiful girl who can also be a good partner. Having smarts, diligence and maternal instincts is very attractive. She should be a good role model for your kids.

She earns her own money / enjoys her job.
Why - Haters are always going to hate. Women who are spoiled will never be happy and only complain. They will become lazy and find an addiction (drugs, shopping, food, alcohol, gambling, opioids, gossip, etc...). She will drag you down and create a destructive environment. You will age 10 years and waste some of the best years of your life due to the stress.

She will expect an allowance from you when you're working your ass everyday. She doesn't need to be a CEO, but she needs to work and help with the expenses if you both enjoy the finer things in life.

Be careful with lower-class girls who don't have any money but want to live the good life.
Note: I saw this a lot in EE. I agree with deleting EE girls (with no financial means) who are sponsored and have lavish pics in a hotel. Cutting them immediately will save you a lot of time in the end. Her mind is polluted, and she will take you for a ride. There are normal EE girls. Meet them instead.

Why - If you ever get married, she will take money from you and send it to her family. She may never work, but she will figure out ways to siphon your savings to her fund her family's financial woes.

After spending time in EE, I welcomed returning to Western Europe's standard of living and meeting girls there. It's refreshing meeting girls who don't expect you to pay for everything. They have money and can travel freely to the North America.

East & West has it's pros & cons. Fortunately, it's a short 2 hour flight within Europe if you ever fancy either side.

So much truth in this whole post... but the bolded part really stands out... you sir get a +1 from Uncle Cr33pin... thats like being touched by The Don

Post: #877

I have been in Cluj right now about to leave for the next stop.

Went to two church services and the salt mine yesterday. One Orthodox, one Catholic.

The Orthodox one had 1,500 people. Mostly older. The women on average wore less make up and look less aged. Though out of that large crowd the number of single women 18-23 may have been a handful. Even couples under 30 were very rare. It was a beautiful ceremony with great chanting. The building is a work of art.

The Catholic one which I came to learn was the best mass in the city for having students and young professional attend had 300 people. Maybe 5 or 6 girls 18-23 years old. I did get a lot of eyes at both services. The service was surreal. A gigantic cathedral with the organ and choir coming from the sky. Everyone is wearing winter gear indoors. The priest has a PA system that has the reverb of a WW2 propganda loud speaker announcement in a war zone bouncing around the accoustics of a hollow castle. Again mostly old people, the women wore much less make up and aged a bit better than girls on the street.

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Girls give me consistently strong eyes in venues, much more than then streets. The waitresses and cashier girls always seem somewhat flirty.

On the streets I get almost nothing.

We were very unlucky with the weather. Snow, hail, rain, sharp bitter cold winds. Students were out for break until today, yet things may have been easier to approach on the streets because with less people in the city people meandered and walked at a slower pace. With the weather everyone has been in a hurry.

Older women 27-33 have given me better responses on day approaches. Many times they look 24-26 at a distance, then I really get to see.

The English rate even though most clearly understand, it is almost never a fluid experience.

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My gut feeling is that there are 4 things making here so far not worth it for me:

1) The aging factor. It is everywhere. It is to the point I am scared to approach girls looking 20-22 because they are probably 14-16. And girls from a distance in broad daylight that look cute up close over and over look horribly aged.

The friend of a friend that took me to the salt mine with his very pleasant well dressed girlfriend who was late 20s early 30s had it look like her face was melting off, I literally couldn't look at her in the face for long periods.

I shouldn't feel blessed by God whenever I happen to see a 28 year old that looks 28, I do here.

2) My value as an American tall white guy seems very very small. Meaning I would have to learn Romanian to start getting good potential of results. Romanian is a pretty useless language. The English abilities here just aren't very strong to be able to make a real connection to the culture in my opinion.

3) Socially integrating. Because my value doesn't mean much as a foreigner it doesn't feel like I'd get any helping hand in integrating into the society through friends. I imagine I'd have to learn Romanian and be very patient with locals to start having friend groups. The men like the women are cold at first and take a bit to start warming up at all. I have a little cartoon character inside me and to deal with this repeatedly is stifling.

By comparison in Colombia or Vietnam I think I would make local friends very quick. There it seemed like people wanted to be my friend and show me off to their friends. I know there is a superficial level to this. I could cut through the bullshit though and find the best friends though eventually without too much work.

4) I see no signs of age gap couples, even slight age gaps. It either rarely exists, or the girls just age so horribly the guys are dating 5-10 years younger and I can't tell the difference.

I enjoyed the city though. The nightlife has a great variety is pretty fun. Lots of little cafes & restaurants. It is dense with lots of foot traffic. Has a cool feeling.

Romanian girls have great medium size plump asses and nice figures. They are cute from 18-24, then drop off a cliff. Lots of girls are under 5'3" though which for how tall I am is my cut off point. Much more very short girls than I expected.

Post: #878

Why are they prematurely aged? Smoking and drinking only? How exactly do they look? Wrinkled?

Post: #879

Not sure what your point of reference is when you talk about aging. Asians age better that's for sure but I fail to see how Romanians would age worse than Americans. In general, women in EE peak between 18 and 25, then slowly fade away although I've met a few 30+ who looked hot. In general those women are carefree, no children and very active.

Post: #880

^ I would say the number of U.S. women 25-35 that are very bangable without their facial skin severely hitting the wall in the better hunting ground cities as a percentage of the population has to be almost double if not more.

In Cluj girls that aged very well between 25-35 let's say (just as a point of reference for comparing) is 10-15% in the U.S. in the better cities & college towns is probably 20-30%. Those are just some percentages. The real fact is I rarely see women in the U.S. I completely discount as very bangable 25-35 only because their face has dramatically aged. They are discounted usually because of obesity, bad hair cuts, bad tattoos.

It is just the smoking, staying out late drinking when very young, caking on make up, and diet that seems to include fatty meats, cheese, sour cream, desserts etc... as well as what seems like a lack of a work out culture. My reference for gym culture is the lack of built guys, or people out jogging etc... so I am guessing the women don't work out and stay thin just through eating very little food with probably not the healthiest choices.

You can see that babushka face forming so early. The half moons under the eyes and the elasticity of the facial skin starts drooping to give the face melt affect. It isn't terrible at 25-27, around 28 or so it gets real bad real fast. Also the skin glow just evaporates as early as well.

The lack of obesity doesn't make up for the prevalence of premature aging. I am sure many guys in worser cities in the U.S. or that have a harder time getting good looking girls would gladly trade for a 26 year old Romanian girl already fast on the downhill from a chubby American girl back home. I am not looking for just any girl though that will do. This is serious.

Post: #881

Can anyone with experience comment on the aging totem pole of EE?

Romania
UA
Russia
Estonia
Serbia

Are the ones I am most interested in. Do they all experience what I am talking about?

Post: #882

(04-24-2017 09:27 PM)Travesty Wrote:  It is just the smoking, staying out late drinking when very young, caking on make up, and diet that seems to include fatty meats, cheese, sour cream, desserts etc... as well as what seems like a lack of a work out culture. My reference for gym culture is the lack of built guys, or people out jogging etc... so I am guessing the women don't work out and stay thin just through eating very little food with probably not the healthiest choices.

My experience (1 week in Brasov, 1 week in Bucharest last year) was that the smoking culture seemed pretty strong in Romania amongst both men and women. I'm not sure if there is variance amongst class or if this is straight across the board culturally but that's the vibe I got. One ONS in her early 30s I got with in Brasov echoed this - pretty washed up 6 - drinking, smoking had got the best of her. Sad actually. But I'm in no way saying conclusively this is how it is - maybe those that live there would give you a better opinion on how the Wall effects EE women.

The work out culture - I can only comment on one experience with the men at least. I remember there was a public outdoor gym in Brasov beneath Mount Tampa. Walking there one afternoon for a workout (after seeing it the day before empty I'd made a mental note to check it out) - but this time there was a big group of guys there, iPod dock going, nice woman there - presumably someone's cousin or sister who knows. Anyway, I just proceeded to start working out and everyone gradually introduced themselves to me - shook my hand and made me feel extremely welcome - particularly after realising I couldn't understand what they were saying and I'm like "yeah.. English mate I was blown away by how friendly a random group of strangers were to an outsider. Started offering me their cherries too and I'm like "these cost about $25 a kilo where I'm from" By the end of my workout they were all shaking my hand as if we were old mates saying goodbye. I imagine this is how you would go about cracking social circles and if I was there long term I would've made a point of it too. It was a highlight of my week actually. Anyway, this type of behaviour - this sense of community to strangers - is simply UNHEARD of in Australia where I'm from.

Anyway, that's just a side point.

Been following your thread for a while Travesty - great value you keep dropping - I'm keen to see how you get on. I'd say check out Brasov if you got time - you might like it as an alternative to Cluj. There is a mountain there too in the winter if snowboarding or skiing is your thing.

Post: #883

What is your experience with countries where you can marry but the marriage is not legally recognized in the U.S. or other western countries?

I've known Thai and Indonesian people who have experience with this. Pretty common in both countries. Maybe you can tell me about some other ones.

Remember, under U.S. law, you can marry a local woman in a foreign coutnry and if the marriage is recognized by the U.S. (most are), she can divorce shop in the U.S. and divorce you in the worst state for men e.g. CA.

Most guys have no idea about this.

I learned it from a lawyer.

Post: #884

Hey Travesty,

Following your journey with some interest. Let me give you my point of view and a few thoughts and some opinions about the aging question.

First off I don´t quite get why you went to Romania as your first destination in your journey to find a wife in EE. I personally think that the Balkans in general are not the easiest places to find girls. The main reason in my opinion is that there is a lot of social circle and gossiping. The best place where you can notice this is when you go to typical Balkan nightclubs. People only mingle around their tables and stick pretty much within their closed group. I also found that there is usually no way to get access to the top girls since they are usually taken by the local elite guys. Countries like Ukraine or Russia would have higher quality girls available also for foreigners in my opinion.

I also don´t get why your started in Cluj and did not start in Bucharest. Cluj in my opinion is a great place to go for a weekend and have a blast. But finding a girlfriend there I think would be very difficult. What I noticed when I was there is that social circles are even more important than in Bucharest. The only option I thought to find a gf or potential wife there would be to be a student and get into the university community. However this obviously takes time and can´t be achieved within a few days.

What I also want to mention here is that being a foreigner does not give you any special value especially in EE countries which are part of the EU. A girl from Cluj can just take a Wizz Air flight to London for €40 whenever she likes. So there is really nothing special being a foreigner anymore especially in countries like Romania, Bulgaria or Poland. Even in Ukraine or Russia more educated girls are not impressed at all about you being foreigner. Having said that you might be lucky to run into some village girl who is impressed by you being a foreigner.

(04-24-2017 09:41 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Can anyone with experience comment on the aging totem pole of EE?

Romania
UA
Russia
Estonia
Serbia

Are the ones I am most interested in. Do they all experience what I am talking about?

If you worried that smoking makes the aging process worse you should not look for girls in Romania, Serbia or Bulgaria. In these countries smoking is the norm and you will hardly find a girl who does not smoke at all. Here is my personal opinion based on some anecdotes regarding aging process of girls in the countries you asked:

Ukraine/Russia: I think girls here age very well as long as they are single. The best aging girls I found are single mums. While this might not be relevant for your wife searching mission I was banging a 36 year old single mom in Kiev two years ago. She had a better body than a twenty year old. She was a total fitness addict hitting the gym every morning Monday to Friday. She took also a lot of attention that her son eats as healthy as possible so she was always cooking really healthy food. Lots of vegetables, low carb etc.

If you go to the gym in Kiev in the morning around 10am you will also see many hot milfs working out who are in their 40s and still having amazing bodies. I also met many career girls in Ukraine and Russia in their 30s who were single and had no kids. Many of them really looked a lot after themselves doing sports, eating healthy and looked after their skin. Nevertheless I think things look slightly different when girls in their 30s and 40s have a husband and children. I think some of them really drop off.

Serbia: I am currently dating a Serbian girl here in Vienna. I also met her Mom. While her English is really poor she looks still very attractive. She does a lot of sports, eats healthy and cares about herself. I saw her twice and both times she was also really dressed well. For her face she has some wrinkles but I would not say that she aged worse than a Western European women in her age.

I think what does not help for Balkan girls in general (Romania, Serbia etc.) is the fact that everyone smokes everywhere and the fat and calorie heavy local food. Also I think that Balkan girls are going out to party way more often and in general drink more than Ukrainian and Russian girls which obviously does not help the aging process.

I have not spend so much time in the Baltics but I would say from my gut feeling that they are aging better than Balkan girls.

Post: #885

(04-24-2017 11:22 PM)Oaktree Wrote:  What is your experience with countries where you can marry but the marriage is not legally recognized in the U.S. or other western countries?

I've known Thai and Indonesian people who have experience with this. Pretty common in both countries. Maybe you can tell me about some other ones.

Remember, under U.S. law, you can marry a local woman in a foreign coutnry and if the marriage is recognized by the U.S. (most are), she can divorce shop in the U.S. and divorce you in the worst state for men e.g. CA.

Most guys have no idea about this.

I learned it from a lawyer.

This is not correct.

Marriages are matters of the individual state/county, not the US State Dept. or the US government.

So for example if the State of Texas requires that in order to get a divorce in Texas, you or your spouse had residency, inside the State of Texas, for the previous six months. Without that, it would be impossible to file there.

Also without having a Marriage License or certificate from any state in the US, might make it pretty difficult for that foreign woman to initiate a divorce.

I don't know much about California laws, but looking it up really quickly, they have a residency requirement as well as a county requirement.

If you marry someone somewhere else and never lived in the US with that person (they need a visa to enter the country to begin with), it's highly unlikely the woman will be able to file for divorce in California, and be successful at it.

I'm not a lawyer, but I cannot see how any woman being able to get a visa without you signing on her application to the USA, then she travels to the county and state of your residence, and somehow gets an exemption to file for a divorce.

If you married a rich woman, she could get a B visa to get into the country, but once she goes to the County Clerk's office to file for a divorce, they will try to look up your marriage license on the computer and find absolutely nothing. Shit, even if you do a K1 or K3 visa you still have to file for a marriage license at the county clerk office and get legally married. The K1 and K3 just lets the woman enter the US for 90 days. That's it.

You may want to get some clarification from the lawyers you know on how feasible that is.

I will tell you something more dangerous than divorce with a foreign woman. Not getting your kids an American birth certificate and passport from the US embassy after they are born. Failure to do that, you might never see your kids again.

Post: #886

^ Thanks for the response superchalk

I don't get why you are being so faggy though with your "I don't get why you..."

I also don't get why you choose to drop data now after following the thread so long instead of the first time you read it.

Other than that nice post I will keep the UA Russian aging in mind.

Post: #887

Single mums in Russia/UA are very realistic about the choices for them in life.

The shelf life for women in their 30s is still very short, sure not smoking and exercising can prolong the inevitable.

Post: #888

(04-25-2017 11:22 AM)Travesty Wrote:  ^ Thanks for the response superchalk

I don't get why you are being so faggy though with your "I don't get why you..."

I also don't get why you choose to drop data now after following the thread so long instead of the first time you read it.

Other than that nice post I will keep the UA Russian aging in mind.

Sorry, I did not want to come along as faggy but it would be really interesting to know why you decided to go to Romania as your first destination in EE?

Are you into how Romanian girls look, you like their personalities or any other reasons?

Post: #889

1. I have a good friend back home that was born and raised in Cluj. He told me a lot about the city and I found it interesting. He is a very kind, smart, and charismatic guy so his reference meant a lot to me. He had local friends to give me info and show me around.

2. A native Romanian while back posted in this thread some lengthy and detailed posts as to why many Romanian women make good LTRs, that were highly convincing, and which I still believe in as far as character traits.

3. Romanians are about as close as you get to Colombian looks in Europe which I am very into. I like girls 5'3"-5'6" with medium size plump asses.

4. English levels in Romania, especially in university and business cities I thought would have been much higher from people I spoke with and things I read. The English rate is decent, not nearly as high as I expected though.

5. Before this trip I had no will power to learn a new language especially one as difficult as Russian. I had a feeling UA and Russia would be very hard to get a good feel as to potential without at least knowing basic Russian.

6. Romanian girls again from talking and reading were supposed to be much easier to open than UA and Russian girls and have warmer personalities overall. I can say Romanian girls do open pretty easily and seem to warm up pretty quickly. I haven't been to UA and Russia so I cannot compare.

7. Again from what I have read and talked to people Russia (expensive) and UA can be harder to live in long-term (1-3 years). Romania on the other hand so far I could easily see living in for a few years or longer and enjoy coming back to visit in-laws.

8. Romanian girls were to be less transactional in the relationships than Russian and UA girls. Again I cannot compare I haven't been to UA or Russia. Romanian girls do not seem to have a transactional nature at all that I can tell so far.

9. I honestly thought some of the darker features of Romanians would have them age better than girls from UA and Russia, I also thought because Romanians are starting to do a lot of business with the West, especially in cities like Cluj that girls would start living healthier lives (yoga, kale, organic food etc...). There is a Romanian woman at my work that aged extremely well into her 40s.

10. This is my first trip ever to EE. Again with no Russian language skills I felt it was wise to go somewhere I could ease into the culture more easily.

Post: #890

I'm sitting here resting up as my time comes to an end in Romania thinking to the future.

Unfortunately the only places I have been to I could see being pretty happy living in for much of each year for the rest of my life outside of the U.S. would be Colombia or the south island of New Zealand.

My gut right now just says to keep on improving my lifestyle and mindset towards attracting LTR girls and keeping my options open. I have a girl in the U.S. right now that seems like a very good candidate which I never dreamed of happening where I live and how it happened so soon after I changed my lifestyle habits.

Vietnam right now is still the only country that has really stood out. That said, my gut says I have a few years to keep building myself and options before heading there. I think the time zone difference would be really rough doing U.S. business. I am pretty sure I'd have to change jobs to an international company that has offices in Asia and would let me work from Vietnam on a close Asian time zone's schedule. That in itself would most likely sidestep my career & earning potential temporarily by folding to what a specific company there would want me to work on as far as skillsets. I have zero interest in becoming a manager of any sort so skillsets are very important to me. I would want to save that option for an absolute last resort and I think I probably have 3-4 years before that time would come to pull the trigger.

As for places to go to next I am planning to have high paying location independent work in the next year. Which would alleviate these 2-3 week forced scouting trips dependent on vacation days.

The only places left on my list:

Mazatlan, Mexico
Belo Horizonte, Brazil
A Taiwanese city
A mainland China city (probably Chengdu)
Kiev, UA
A Russian city (not sure yet)
Tallin, Estonia
A Japanese city (maybe Kyoto)

After that I think I am out of bullets, I would just wait until the time is right to go to Vietnam.

Serbia is up next, let see what happens.

Post: #891

(04-25-2017 07:33 AM)superschalk Wrote:  What I also want to mention here is that being a foreigner does not give you any special value especially in EE countries which are part of the EU.

Very interesting response from superschalk in its entirety, this stood out to me, not that I would be worried either way. I just find it interesting.


The other thing I find interesting is that apart from the fact that I have no idea what he looks like or his personality is, I have strikingly similar takes and interest. Serbia (similarly for high English language knowledge) but then Belarus, Baltics, Russia and Ukraine were all top considerations for cultural reasons although I don't know Russian language. Right now I'm exploring Central and South America as my first stops, because I do know Spanish.

I'll be following your posts with interest, Travesty.

Post: #892

(04-26-2017 10:56 AM)Kid Twist Wrote:  

(04-25-2017 07:33 AM)superschalk Wrote:  What I also want to mention here is that being a foreigner does not give you any special value especially in EE countries which are part of the EU.

Very interesting response from superschalk in its entirety, this stood out to me, not that I would be worried either way. I just find it interesting.

Don´t want to get too much off topic on Travestys thread here but the Eastern EU countries have become extremely global over the past five years.

If you speak to people in Poland, Romania or Bulgaria most of them have at least one closer family member working and living either in Germany or the UK.

The Erasmus program gives students from these country the opportunity to study and live in an Western European country for one whole year.

The salary gap between EE EU and Western EU gets smaller and smaller. People in Warsow almost earn the same as people do in Eastern Germany for example.

The low cost carriers Ryan Air, EasyJet and WizzAir offer bargain flights even from small EE cities like Cluj or Wroclow straight into London and other bigger Western EU cities.

So most girls in the bigger cities have enough opportunities to travel and move around so vice versa it is nothing special anymore if a foreigner from the West visits these cities.

That in my opinion are the main reasons why beeing a foreigner does not give you a huge advantage.

However things are still looking different in countries in EE outside the EU. On one of my trips through Eastern Ukraine last year I found a city where girls approached me in a nightclub asking me where I was from because they have seen me at a restaurant for lunch. If you would have the motivation and could deal with the day to day life in one of these second tier Ukrainian or most likely also Russian cities, have enough money and know some Russian on top you would potentially do very well.

Post: #893

(04-26-2017 08:22 AM)Travesty Wrote:  The only places left on my list:

Mazatlan, Mexico
Belo Horizonte, Brazil
A Taiwanese city
A mainland China city (probably Chengdu)
Kiev, UA
A Russian city (not sure yet)
Tallin, Estonia
A Japanese city (maybe Kyoto)
Beijing (to enjoy craft brew scene)

You forgot one.

Post: #894

Travesty - Thanks for reporting on Romania.

Why long term living in Colombia but not Vietnam?

How is it learning Vietnamese? Do you speak at all? Is that a factor in your choice?

Post: #895

^ Colombia for me is fun everyday, it has that Latin energy. It feels like anything could happen. Spanish being easier to learn greatly helps feeling a part of the scene.

Vietnam is nice, the language is tough as balls, integrating would be much tougher. I hate Saigon. Da Nang and Hanoi are no where near as dynamic as Colombian major cities.

Colombian time zone and shorter flights to US would make connection with my family much much easier. Also telling friends from US to visit you in Colombia is a much easier sell than Vietnam for my friends.

Post: #896

@Travesty - would you live in Europe or outside America?

Post: #897

^ Sure if I found a country that gives me a gut attraction like Colombia to its culture. Something tells me that will be hard to find for my personality. The guys I met that love EE culture tend to be more dry like Roosh. If you guys haven't noticed I have my ups and downs, love to joke around and fuck with people. I get loud. Prone to outbursts. I like to dance. I love to act silly with chicks. I think Europe is really nice. Like America if they rounded up all the people on COPS and shipped them away.

I mean shit I love watching Pewdiepie videos and I am in my 30s for Christ's sake.

From listening to your podcasts with Moma I think you would fit into the culture better than me.

Post: #898

^Moma and I are from there, but he has zero interest in living in Europe and for me it would have to be the right circumstance.

The reason I ask is because I see a lot of FSU women on dating sites, preferring to live in Europe and being close to home. Of course, when a handsome dude like yourself comes from California. The girl will be more than happy to pack her bags.

Which podcasts did you like? Thanks for listening.

Maybe we need to do a podcast on this topic.

Post: #899

Cluj vs. Timisoara:

Women:

- Both are really great all around. I don't have any complaints for my tastes. Many girls are in the 5'2"-5-6" range with thin bodys B-cups and medium size plump asses. They walk very well in heels. You have outliers on the very short midgety size and tall ones. Vast majority brunettes with a few redheads thrown in. A lot of girls like to dye their hair a retarded semi purple-red color. The somewhat slutty librarian look with thick black rimmed rectangular glasses is common in both.

- Cluj I said average girl is a mid 6 walking around with 7 fashion. Cluj girls tend to cake on makeup more than Timisoara. Timisora girls are more high 6 7 fashion with less makeup and significantly less aging. I attribute this to the culture in Timisoara is more provincial and laid back. It does not have a hustle and bustle feel like Cluj. People are even more social circle oriented and take their time in life. Timisoara girls also seem a bit more smiley and happy. What Cluj has going for it though is that girls are more likely to be out about their day alone in the hustle of the city. It also feels like a Cluj girl would be more open to a foreigner. In Timisoara everyone hangs out in the cafe culture of the main squares and walkways where there are no cars. You see girls with their boyfriends or friends much more often.

- The wife hunt and everyday living (even though Timisoara girls seem to age much better and on average are a half step cuter) I think would be much more interesting and fun in Cluj. Because of the cafe culture, social circle, provincial nature of Timisoara it would take more work to break in it seems.

- English levels seem about even.

- Just to mention again I saw many girls in Timisoara that looked their age and good for their age with much less makeup than Cluj girls. Many girls 25-35 that looked supremely bangable. I saw more open smiles with Timisoara girls during the day. The weather was better though which definitely counts.

- I got many more hard stalking stare in Cluj venues day and night. On the streets in Cluj I got a few IOIs. In Timisoara more glancing curiosity. Again I believe this is due to the provincial nature of Timisoara where either you are a local or tourist and tourists get lumped in an outsider basket.

- Girls are on their phones a little bit. No where near the US. I don't think I saw one selfie/ group selfie being taken my entire time here which is incredible on it's own!!!! Maybe once I saw 3 teenage girls dancing at a dive bar take a group selfie that's it.


Daygame:

On the surface Timisoara wins. Huge squares and streetways with cars and no traffic. A more outdoor European cafe culture and architecture rather than the hybrid Soviet architecture of Cluj. Timisoara girls wear less makeup, party less, age significantly better.....

Though as a foreigner I think Cluj wins because you can find girls going about their daily business by themselves much more often. Also my friend and I both experience better receptions day and night in Cluj. In Timisoara it always seems like girls are with their boyfriends or their friends.

Nightgame:

Cluj absolutely destroys Timisoara. Even when students were out on break venues were still half to three quarters filled. Many more options. More action on weeknights.

Competition:

Guys in Timisoara seem to date up even more than in Cluj. Probably a full 1.0 higher often. This is because the girls wear less makeup, party less, age better, while the guys slack on their style a little bit compare to Cluj. We saw mixed groups out where in Anglo countries the guys would have no business hanging out with the chicks they were in Timisoara especially.

Conclusion:

If you were hardcore about getting a Romanian wife:

Go to Timisoara. Sign up for Romanian classes at the University. Game chicks there and in the main squares. Make male friends. There will be almost zero nightlife Sunday-Wednesday. The city is laid back and not dynamic. If you love outdoor cafe culture this is your city.

If you want more fun wife hunting go to Cluj. I personally after seeing the upsides of Timisoara would still go to Cluj. Who knows in 3 years from now I may slow down even more and be fine with a place like Timisoara.

Romanian girls have nice personalities. Timisoara is proof if you get them away from stressing away as students, international workers, cigarettes, partying all night on weeknights that Romanians can age very well. In Romania all the couples seemed happy together walking about. They was no one wearing the pants or no one downtrodden. They all seemed to love spending time together, which is a big statement coming from America where many couples look miserable.

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(04-26-2017 04:12 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  ^Moma and I are from there, but he has zero interest in living in Europe and for me it would have to be the right circumstance.

The reason I ask is because I see a lot of FSU women on dating sites, preferring to live in Europe and being close to home. Of course, when a handsome dude like yourself comes from California. The girl will be more than happy to pack her bags.

Which podcasts did you like? Thanks for listening.

Maybe we need to do a podcast on this topic.

WIA one of course... I think wasn't Kaotic on? (I met that bastard).

I don't remember I remember it was good though. Moma's voice alone makes any sentence 3x more interesting and fun.