Post: #851

Come back here when you have some good info about Montenegro or Uzbekistan.

Post: #852

(03-14-2017 07:47 PM)jabba Wrote:  The guy's a loser...that's obvious.

The connection with my previous post was how the mother unapologetically justified feeding her kids by tapping into the man's resources, figuratively and literally. Guys who get involved with girls from a lower income class end up supporting her (extended) family too. It appears to be expected. You can replace "kids" for "brother, sister, mother, father" who needs money for <anything>, and it's the same justification to her. Her family will always come first, not you. Blood is thicker than water. Guys ignore this fact from the onset of the relationship, but it will be spinning in her subconscious like a slot machine.

When she explained that her and her kids are a package deal, it reminded me of a particular RVF post where a successful guy bankrolled his wife's cousin's venture until he was broke. Eventually, she left him. He got gamed at the end.

This is a lesson we can all learn without the experience.

/thread-49000...pid1490612

Your average RVFer is a stingy bastard, I kinda hate to say. I would say 90% or more of us have almost no difficulty saying NO to anyone when it comes to money. I cannot speak for the lurkers or low rep newbies. We do have the small few guys with decent rep that are kinda soft in our ranks, but we all kinda know who those guys are. At least they are cognizant of what they are doing by breaking bread on women.

That Mongolia story is a dime a dozen in the Philippines and Thailand. A buddy of mine Scott Mallon, who actually has an account here, and runs his own Thailand blog and whatnot, used to talk about how guys get sucked into little poor village girl's world. The ox/cow dies, foreigner, buys the family another, some time later it gets sick or dies again. Rinse, repeat ad nauseum. All that on top of family members getting hurt, sick, or in trouble all the time. It basically never ends until you run out of money.

I know a guy that sort of has the same deal going with his Thai wife, but he makes more than enough money to cover their lives. Funnily enough, they never ask him for anything, but when he visits, he sees stuff he doesn't like and starts remodeling their house, buying all the children new clothes, etc.

It's hard to say if what he does is a good idea or not. I would say that it is okay as long as he maintains the boundaries of it, within his means. He still has two grown sons of his own, so as long as those two are covered (inheritance wise), I suppose it is okay that he uses his passive income on his wife. If her family comes up with business ventures, I would hope he knows his limits on that, but some guys are soft for anything wife related.

There is some level of relationship arbitrage to take into account. My friend with the Thai wife is 60 and his wife is between 30-35 and very pretty. He has his shit together and passive income. Another reason why he gets away with this is because his wife's family despite being poor are educated. To me it seems to work very well for them. She even lets him get away with shit other Asian wives might not and they are both super happy with each other.

The same reason why when I skim the Philippines thread here, and see young guys whining about getting passed on for being too young, is because of men like this, who can provide. These girls can take very good care of them in exchange for helping out to varying degrees. There is nothing wrong with providing, because that is what men do and our responsibility. Just the betas provide unconditionally and that is wrong.

That fucks the game up for everyone especially the beta in particular. When poor, plain jane 5's know that there is a sucker arriving every minute, they have no interest in merely having a good time with you for free.

This is why on my dating guide for China, I made a point to emphasize that Chinese that are middle upper class are the sweet spot and to stay far away from poor girls. When your in laws have more money than you or live like kings themselves, the pressure on you tends to be non-existent to a large extent. Unless they are greedy fuckers that are trying to shame you into giving them huge hong baos (red envelopes with money inside) for their daughter or other various shit, you will be good to go 9 times out of 10. Thankfully most are nothing like that. The poor ones are unfortunately and their stories are not complex, just convoluted...

Lastly, on that bit about blood being thicker than water, culture plays a role in that. Filipinos tend to come from larger families and take the extended aspect of their families very seriously. Compare and contrast that to East Asians and it's nothing like that. In fact, in some cultures the second you give away your daughter she is done being part of your family and she must be 100% on to her husbands family.

I have a cousin in law about to marry a Southern Chinese girl from a certain region and this past Chinese New Year is her last with her family. In their custom she cannot ever come back home to them for Chinese New Year. Yes, this girl is Han Chinese in case you are wondering. Her culture takes it more seriously than other Chinese ones, but they all do this to a degree, especially during the wedding itself (if you have a traditional one). If I decided my wife cannot come back to her parent's house for New Year, she will obey and her parents would not be upset at all. I'm not Chinese myself, so there is no reason to do that, but I always have the option. My wife follows me on anything regardless. I doubt I could get the same kind of loyalty from a Pinay or those Mongolians because the culture is different. Not saying a Pinay isn't loyal, she just is not going to be the same kind of loyal like a Chinese.

Koreans and Japanese are not much different than Chinese in this regard as well.

Post: #853

Two great, ever-important points here (bolded for emphasis)...

(03-15-2017 08:15 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  There is nothing wrong with providing, because that is what men do and our responsibility. Just the betas provide unconditionally and that is wrong. That fucks the game up for everyone especially the beta in particular. When poor, plain jane 5's know that there is a sucker arriving every minute, they have no interest in merely having a good time with you for free.

(03-15-2017 08:15 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  This is why on my dating guide for China, I made a point to emphasize that Chinese that are middle upper class are the sweet spot and to stay far away from poor girls.

Post: #854

First impressions of Romania & their women:

- The women have nice asses, good proportions, shapely legs, skinny torsos, pretty much zero fat girls under 30. Seems like most girls are solid 6's or above. Rare knock out 8 here and there. Often enough I'd say it rivals SoCal or probably beats it per capita on median attractiveness per girl. They often have very nice asses along with shapely legs, though many times lack some in the tit department. I'm more of an ass man / fit girl one so that's fine.

- The men and women under 35 seem to have a gracious demeanor, everyone I've dealt with in the nightlife has been a pleasure.

- The girls don't dress or dance as slutty as Western chicks. They are still in that sweet spot of sexy, yet no trashy twerking I saw.

- Every girl I saw with a boyfriend, it seemed like the girlfriend was really into the boyfriend and very adoring and affectionate. It made me jealous.

- Busted dudes test passed I saw many cases of guys 1.0-1.5 below their girlfriend receiving girlfriend worship.

- Things seem pretty social circle oriented.

- A girl helped me at the airport when we both lost our bags in a connection. She waited for me to go first and translated to make sure I was taken care of. I got her number and have offered her a meal for her generosity.

By comparison they:
- Beat the shit out of Mexican chicks and Colombian due to being skinnier. Though high end Colombia Pocahantas faces give it a run.
- Better face per capita than Vietnam. 6.0 vs 6.5ish, Vietnamese a little more thin on average though more boney.
- Innocence level: Vietnam >>>>> Mexico >> Romania >>>>> Colombia

Maybe I've haven't seen enough, I think Romanian guys are decent looking, though there's a lot of duds and guys with small stature. Their fashion is better than Americans, that isn't saying jackshit. I think the competition angle is overblow. It is just America has a lot of fat loser nerds so a place with more normal guys looks like higher competition.

Male competition:

Mexico >>> Colombia > Romania >>>>> Vietnam

I think some Colombian guys I saw are very handsome (how you get the knockout Pocahantas chicks) and many dress and act smoother. There were guys 5'7" 150lbs in Colombia smooth and looked like I'd never want to fuck with. Haven't seen that in Romania.

Post: #855

^great sheet travesty

are you orthodox?

Post: #856

Hey Travesty,

That is some good information, but what conclusions were you able to draw up from that trip?

Some other questions I have:

1. Where you able to date anyone wife material wise, in quality?
2. What techniques or strategies have you found successful there so far?
3. Do you feel optimistic that you will find what you are looking for there?
4. Have you found anything culturally there yet that was off putting or something along those lines?

Also, this controversial thread that was recently started: /thread-62224.html
What did the women you saw, look like compared to the ones being dumped in this thread? Did you see better, about the same, worse? Seeing you write about seeing 8s, might actually mean near 10s for plenty guys. From that thread I see a few killer asses and bodies, and only one 9ish looking chick, with maybe 2 possible 8s or so, but I would like to hear your opinion on it. Also, since you are a SoCal guy, you probably do not like smoking? Not sure if you ever talked about that before, but many women according to that OP smoke, and I would like to hear your feelings on the smoking culture over there and how that may affect your game strategy or not.

Even though I do not need this intel, I know others that could use it for certain, and I am sure it benefits the forum as well.

Thanks

Post: #857

^ Trip just got started. I have some health issues & life issues I am dealing with along with time constraints. This is a scouting trip so there won't be any long trials for these girls - I've never been to Eastern Europe before. I have to see if I even enjoy the people, cities, and culture. I'll answer the questions later.

Post: #858

It is a horrifying fact that I see a sea of girls under 30 that are attractive and almost none over 30, which goes along with the theme of EE girls aging terribly - something I consider very strongly. In Colombia & Vietnam I saw many women attractive into their 40s. I am sure Mexicans have the genes to do it. They choose buttered tortillas and melted cheese instead.

Other points, I don't agree with the space alien far-eyed comments. I think most girls I have seen look pretty good at least the places I've gone to.

The English levels are much lower than I expected. Seems like half speak some basic English, 20% decent English, and 10% really good English usually for work. The other 50% know almost no English and it is hard to carry a real conversation.

I was expecting a bit higher maybe 35-40% really good english in a city in Romania known for having a growing business economy, cultural, and university center that attracts many international students.

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It is a funny thing people thought that last post was a sheet.

That was stream of mind after meeting some people in late afternoon & being out for a night. I think I just have the gut instinct and ability like Roosh has had that after you visit enough places you size them up quickly. Maybe I will be wrong, I doubt it though.

Post: #859

(04-21-2017 12:25 PM)Travesty Wrote:  It is a horrifying fact that I see a sea of girls under 30 that are attractive and almost none over 30, which goes along with the theme of EE girls aging terribly - something I consider very strongly. In Colombia & Vietnam I saw many women attractive into their 40s. I am sure Mexicans have the genes to do it. They choose buttered tortillas and melted cheese instead.

Other points, I don't agree with the space alien far-eyed comments. I think most girls I have seen look pretty good at least the places I've gone to.

The English levels are much lower than I expected. Seems like half speak some basic English, 20% decent English, and 10% really good English usually for work. The other 50% know almost no English and it is hard to carry a real conversation.

I was expecting a bit higher maybe 35-40% really good english in a city in Romania known for having a growing business economy, cultural, and university center that attracts many international students.

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It is a funny thing people thought that last post was a sheet.

That was stream of mind after meeting some people in late afternoon & being out for a night. I think I just have the gut instinct and ability like Roosh has had that after you visit enough places you size them up quickly. Maybe I will be wrong, I doubt it though.

Well, not trying to blow your head up, but you have always been really good at breaking down women on looks and anatomy in the past. Kosko probably is still the best on the forum at doing that, but you gotta be somewhere in the top 5 or 10 at doing it. All that 100+ rep did not come from lame or pedestrian observations.

Funny thing about you, even when you are chopping up some broad for being a 6, when most are calling her an 8, you actually articulate why and your line of reasoning for why she's a 6. Even when dudes don't agree with you, they will be like, "Okay Trav, I see what you are talking about". Most dudes on the forum cannot do that, regardless of how cocky they are about their views.

You may not do this as much these days, but it's not like people forgot who the mean ass Triple OG Honey Badger on RVF was.

Post: #860

Romania is definitely social circle oriented.

Quite a few girls smoke, it feels like patio game is great here for breaking the bad English levels and building comfort.

Here's the style looks breakdown:

Guys and girls are both a 6.5 on looks and a 7.0 on style. No one gets fat. Everyone grooms well. Yet there aren't chicks walking around with mega curves and goddess faces or guys that are jacked. I have seen probably a total of 10 guys that were tall jacked or both and half of those were at the highest end club as security and mafia type guys behind a velvet rope.

Yet guys date up a bit on average probably 0.5-1.0. Not sure how that math works that's what I see.

If you are below that combo 6.5 looks / 7.0 fashion you will feel visual competition, yet I rarely see Romanian guys approach, social circle is very dominant.

I like the way Romanian girls walk, their posture, their body language, the way they smile it is refreshing. I don't have other EE to compare to, I see why the EE guys roll shit down hill to LA and SEA guys because the median girl is indeed more attractive and probably beats even the best U.S. college towns as far as the that median girl. For me as a white guy the exotic factor of attracting the hot chicks that are at the higher end of the bell curve in LA and East Asia I am guessing (know without a doubt) is easier than scoring a median girl in EE.

Yet in the U.S. you will see many more 7.5+ truly hot girls at the higher end of the bell curve. Probably due to wealth and health over lifetime. U.S. fatties and lack of style, grooming, & hair destroys the median. Romanian girls do a very very good job with the canvas they are born with.

Foreign factor for me seems about a zero, the only girls interested because of that was because they spoke English well for work. Which means learning Romanian seems like a near must for accessing higher end girls with crappy English that need to know you are invested in the place, as with every country. Many people have thought I was Italian. Which I guess is a slight bump. I do get stares as definitely being a foreigner yet the interest level of where I am from is almost non-existant.

I didn't have to take this trip to know, I had to visit all LA, EE, and SEA all at least once each with a game observation mindset or I'd always regret it, that my best looks/attitude/companionship would be from a dark Asian girl or a dark/black Latina. Something to think about since I am attracted to a very wide range of looks.

Post: #861

(03-15-2017 08:15 AM)TravelerKai Wrote:  Your average RVFer is a stingy bastard, I kinda hate to say. I would say 90% or more of us have almost no difficulty saying NO to anyone when it comes to money. I cannot speak for the lurkers or low rep newbies. We do have the small few guys with decent rep that are kinda soft in our ranks, but we all kinda know who those guys are. At least they are cognizant of what they are doing by breaking bread on women.

That Mongolia story is a dime a dozen in the Philippines and Thailand. A buddy of mine Scott Mallon, who actually has an account here, and runs his own Thailand blog and whatnot, used to talk about how guys get sucked into little poor village girl's world. The ox/cow dies, foreigner, buys the family another, some time later it gets sick or dies again. Rinse, repeat ad nauseum. All that on top of family members getting hurt, sick, or in trouble all the time. It basically never ends until you run out of money.

Lastly, on that bit about blood being thicker than water, culture plays a role in that. Filipinos tend to come from larger families and take the extended aspect of their families very seriously. Compare and contrast that to East Asians and it's nothing like that. In fact, in some cultures the second you give away your daughter she is done being part of your family and she must be 100% on to her husbands family.

For the Philippines the middle class or higher thing comes with a slight warning.
Generally speaking there are 2 types of Filipinos: Users and Givers. I don't have to explain you avoid the users but the givers aren't always suitable wife material either. A giver that comes from a wealthy family, or a middle class giver with no users in her direct family would be fine. You want to avoid the type of woman that regularly lends-gives (it never gets paid back) money to any family member or friend. It still surprises me how much money some middle/upper class women lend out to colleagues, cousins, aunts, brothers etc. I'm not talking about: my brother will die if I don't pay for surgery. But more like: my brother wants to get his nice car (American or European import) fixed so he doesn't have to take his gf out in the Toyota/Daihatsu mini-mpv (side note, brother has a job, but is saving his money for something else).

Post: #862

Absolutely, they have peer pressure, family style super bad. You better have very strong frame and she be very submissive for that to stop. Some guys don't care as long as they use their money to do that. I would say that strategy has flaws because if something changes and you need her to carry her share of expenses, she won't do it because her family needs the money.

Finding the Pinay with the right balance can be tricky indeed.

Me personally I would talk money waaay earlier with Pinay girls than I would others. Get that shit out the way early.

Post: #863

There is nothing different or special about Romanian women. I am more of an ass men, and still I found women in Kiev to be a degree of magnitude more attractive (despite having smaller asses) and nicer people... Romanians also have a reputation of being scummy people around Europe...
And I definitely wouldn't want to live in generic boring Bucharest.

Travesty, with all due respect, you hype up different places like Vietnam and now Romania for wife hunting, when in fact they are not great places to wife hunt. Maybe we just see the world differently, but I've learned to take your analysis with a grain of salt.

And as far as male competition, Romania has to be higher than Colombia and Mexico. Guys were more handsome with better bodies. But also Colombian women didn't seem to mind having 130 lb broke boyfriends...

If I wanted to find a nice, young hot wife without having to live there, I would pick Russia or Ukraine.

Post: #864

^ Looking forward to your data on Russia and Ukraine.

Something tells me you are the type of guy that never picks up the check at a group meal and is the type that would threaten to sue before getting into a fight.

Post: #865

(04-22-2017 03:32 AM)SuperMaleVitality Wrote:  There is nothing different or special about Romanian women. I am more of an ass men, and still I found women in Kiev to be a degree of magnitude more attractive (despite having smaller asses) and nicer people... Romanians also have a reputation of being scummy people around Europe...
And I definitely wouldn't want to live in generic boring Bucharest.

Travesty, with all due respect, you hype up different places like Vietnam and now Romania for wife hunting, when in fact they are not great places to wife hunt. Maybe we just see the world differently, but I've learned to take your analysis with a grain of salt.

And as far as male competition, Romania has to be higher than Colombia and Mexico. Guys were more handsome with better bodies. But also Colombian women didn't seem to mind having 130 lb broke boyfriends...

If I wanted to find a nice, young hot wife without having to live there, I would pick Russia or Ukraine.

There is also a PUA culture in Romania, whereas, meeting women in Latin America is more of a nature process for the local men. Similar to Russia, I saw a few guys in Bucharest pretending to be American when approaching girls. Some of the Romanian guys I met were also well versed in Game lingo.

I was happy with the talent in Romania, but it is not as high as Ukraine for example.

Post: #866

(03-13-2017 11:15 PM)jabba Wrote:  Guy is a sucker. Woman is just looking out for herself. Feminists would agree with her.

(01-05-2017 03:55 AM)jabba Wrote:  

(01-04-2017 08:44 PM)WashedUPVet Wrote:  

That video had me dying. Poor sucker got played tough. What struck me the most out of that video however, was the females inability to recognize that what she did was wrong. I hate people of that variety. Can't admit their mistakes, and play the 'stupid card' when you call them out on their bull shit.

Post: #867

Two things, saw an Asian girl (first I've seen here) late 20s early 30s with immaculately tight supple skin, the contrast of her compared to Romanian women was almost unreal. Approached group of 3 girls on the street to talk about nightlife they looked college age, ended up being much younger and they still knew all the nightlife spots well and had on heavy makeup.

Also have seen more women in their late 20s and early 30s where it looks like their faces are starting to melt off. The math is easy if these girls start going out til 3 or 4am smoking and drinking in early high school and do it for a decade.

I visited a church to ask for service times. There was a family service going on with couples and people dressed up. One of the few places I saw women in their 30s looking very good. Otherwise the only hot girls late 20s plus are in their BMW / Mercedes SUV or look like they should be in one telling you how rare they are.

Post: #868

Nightlife is better than I expected. It is nice most venue have lots of opportunities, decent ratios, along with lots of dancefloor/bar set ups.

I snagged a number from a girl that when I saw her I felt like I needed to make babies with. You know those girls?

I am with a friend I am training up in game. I am definitely getting more responses using English than he is. I can tell girls are curious and have asked why I am here how long etc... If I spoke Romanian and lived there I think I would do very well.

I have experienced what others have reported elsewhere sometimes that is mystifying. Many girls either with boyfriends or without will give me strong looks repeatedly. When I approach I get a cold shoulder. Girls I never make eye contact with I am getting better responses.

There are quite a few slutty librarians out at night. That look is popular. Girls really like to cake on the make up on average.

I am probably going to start having nightmares about how badly they age.

Conversations, even short ones are pleasurable. I enjoy their tone and demeanor. Their accent is pretty sexy right up there with Colombianas and Brazilieras.

My friend and I are aiming for 4 day approaches and 4 night approaches per day during the trip. He is ahead on both I am ahead on night and lacking a little on day which I want to fix.

No online for either of us. Online is shit here. Even Couchsurfing which gave me access to free hot Colombiana & Mexican tour guides and a few nice Vietnamese ones panned out with nothing.

Even though today was a sleepy day with the weather being bad for spring there was still opportunities to approach on the streets. At least some universities are on break for the after Easter week so I was pleasantly surprised at both day and night considering this.

I am liking Romanians the more I interact with them. They have all been kind, helpful, and patient. Not at Vietnamese levels where it felt like they would do back flips to please you, but a hell of a lot better than Colombian customer service. Though Colombians are very cool overall.

The aging factor has been so bad and seemingly I notice it more the longer I am here, it is almost a disqualification off the bat.

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Can any guys chime that have EE LTR material girls that have aged well into their 30s? And how hard this is to find?

It really is a bloodbath after 25 for these girls. I am pretty surprised just how many get hit by the wall so fast so hard. It's like Survivor out here.

Post: #869

Travesty,

In my experience attractive girls in their 30s in Eastern Europe are few and far between. I met a few in Russia, but these girls were very into nutrition and fitness. I actually did meet a great girl from Romania who was in her early 30s and aged well. She seemed to be an exception. She was very attentive to taking care of her skin and had a great nutrition and gym routine.

I don't see a need to bother with older girls in Eastern Europe with so many younger girls who are accessible.

Post: #870

(04-22-2017 06:39 PM)Dantes Wrote:  I don't see a need to bother with older girls in Eastern Europe with so many younger girls who are accessible.

Are you planning on trading out your wife every 5-10 years?

Or do you mean if you take her away to the West with Whole Foods and train her things will be okay?

I am not trying to be rude, I really am curious what is the game plan for guys with EE LTR girls in their 20s?

Like I said only being here for a few days seeing an Asian girl in her early 30s with supple glowing skin felt like being struck by lightning.

Post: #871

(04-22-2017 06:47 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 06:39 PM)Dantes Wrote:  I don't see a need to bother with older girls in Eastern Europe with so many younger girls who are accessible.

Are you planning on trading out your wife every 5-10 years?

Or do you mean if you take her away to the West with Whole Foods and train her things will be okay?

I am not trying to be rude, I really am curious what is the game plan for guys with EE LTR girls in their 20s?

Like I said only being here for a few days seeing an Asian girl in her early 30s with supple glowing skin felt like being struck by lightning.

Can't speak to EE or its women specifically but eating right, staying in shape, and a general ease of life can significantly delay the aging process. I'm reminded of two women I knew, both born in Afghanistan, one moved to the US as a baby and grew up here, very cute--she was around when I knew her but I'd be shocked if she ages significantly before her mid 40s. The other grew up in a shithole village in Afghanistan, moved to the US around age 20, and by her early 30s looked like she was 50. What's interesting is that she looked like she could have been attractive if she had grown up in the same environment as the other girl, but her early life had just been too rough.

Granted those are just two individuals but look around--anywhere you go in the world, there are plenty of attractive women in their early-mid 20s who are lower on the socio-economic scale, but attractive women in their 40s virtually all have some money. Some of that can be attributed to plastic surgery or to poor attractive women "marrying up", but a lot of it is the overall quality of their lifestyle and how well they take care of themselves.

On another "wife hunting abroad" topic, I'm going to Bangkok next week and was talking to a girl I'm pipelining this morning--she mentioned that the weekend after I leave she's going to the wedding of some girl from her hometown. The girl who's getting married is a bar girl in Nana (one of the main RLDs in Bangkok for those who don't know, the chick is basically a prostitute), she's marrying some European guy who works in oil and gas in Dubai--presumably has a shit load of money--and is young according to my girl. Why a guy like that would marry a bar girl I have no idea, but it gets better--this chick apparently has a kid back in her hometown from her Thai ex(?), that the European dude has no idea about (the girl's mom raises the kid). Keep your head on a swivel boys.

Post: #872

(04-22-2017 03:32 AM)SuperMaleVitality Wrote:  There is nothing different or special about Romanian women. I am more of an ass men, and still I found women in Kiev to be a degree of magnitude more attractive (despite having smaller asses) and nicer people... Romanians also have a reputation of being scummy people around Europe...
And I definitely wouldn't want to live in generic boring Bucharest.

Travesty, with all due respect, you hype up different places like Vietnam and now Romania for wife hunting, when in fact they are not great places to wife hunt. Maybe we just see the world differently, but I've learned to take your analysis with a grain of salt.

And as far as male competition, Romania has to be higher than Colombia and Mexico. Guys were more handsome with better bodies. But also Colombian women didn't seem to mind having 130 lb broke boyfriends...

If I wanted to find a nice, young hot wife without having to live there, I would pick Russia or Ukraine.

That's rich. You say, with all due respect, then disrespect him. That shit was unnecessary. You could have made your point without that insult, very easily.

Also, what the hell do you know about Vietnam? Lots of people go wife hunting there. Chinese men are even getting mail order brides from Vietnam in droves.
That's saying something. If you think Vietnam sucks, flesh it out and explain why. Saying something sucks is not a take.

I cannot speak on Romania, so I leave that to the EE experts.

If anything, we should be taking your trollish post with a grain of salt.

Post: #873

(04-22-2017 06:47 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 06:39 PM)Dantes Wrote:  I don't see a need to bother with older girls in Eastern Europe with so many younger girls who are accessible.

Are you planning on trading out your wife every 5-10 years?

Or do you mean if you take her away to the West with Whole Foods and train her things will be okay?

I am not trying to be rude, I really am curious what is the game plan for guys with EE LTR girls in their 20s?

Like I said only being here for a few days seeing an Asian girl in her early 30s with supple glowing skin felt like being struck by lightning.

That's why I asked about all that smoking earlier. That shit makes a huge difference. Smoking is one of those things that can knock off 10 years worth of looks for 1 year of habit.

Stress is actually worse than partying per se, but a lack of sleep, hurts the eyes and facial skin. If you smoke or inhale too much 2nd hand smoke, the skin will lose it's elasticity.

Girls in their 20s smoking won't look much different than ones that do not, but once they hit 30, or 40, the damage will be disproportionate to girls that did not.

Those church girls you met that seemed to be outliers, did they appear to be smokers? Did they appear to be nightowls? You might need to find out either from them or via observation the exact reasons why, so that it could help you gain further insight into the culture there and how that affects quality.

Post: #874

(04-22-2017 06:47 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Are you planning on trading out your wife every 5-10 years?

Or do you mean if you take her away to the West with Whole Foods and train her things will be okay?

I am not trying to be rude, I really am curious what is the game plan for guys with EE LTR girls in their 20s?

You have excellent point here. Guys looking for LTR should choose wisely, we all get old but some do so with style and keep certain inner and outer beauty beyond menopause and into deep age.

This is why I truly appreciate when I see a 30+ woman in shape and taking care about her looks and health. If she has kids then this is even better because I've seen too many ladies take truly deep dive once kid is born / husband hooked.

It should preferably come over as a natural part of lifestyle, if you meet fit girl that hardly eats anything "because she is on a diet" then this is a bad sign because a) things will get ugly once she stops starving herself and b) she is likely to do long term damage (osteoporosis and co) to her health by crazy diets.

I always try to get a girl out for a long walk / run to see how she manages, if she refuses or deflates after just couple of miles then something is wrong.

Oh and ask about / take a look at (grand)parents too.. Genes do not lie, rest assured that this is more or less what you will eventually end up with.

Post: #875

(04-23-2017 08:03 AM)Skink Wrote:  

(04-22-2017 06:47 PM)Travesty Wrote:  Are you planning on trading out your wife every 5-10 years?

Or do you mean if you take her away to the West with Whole Foods and train her things will be okay?

I am not trying to be rude, I really am curious what is the game plan for guys with EE LTR girls in their 20s?

You have excellent point here. Guys looking for LTR should choose wisely, we all get old but some do so with style and keep certain inner and outer beauty beyond menopause and into deep age.

This is why I truly appreciate when I see a 30+ woman in shape and taking care about her looks and health. If she has kids then this is even better because I've seen too many ladies take truly deep dive once kid is born / husband hooked.

It should preferably come over as a natural part of lifestyle, if you meet fit girl that hardly eats anything "because she is on a diet" then this is a bad sign because a) things will get ugly once she stops starving herself and b) she is likely to do long term damage (osteoporosis and co) to her health by crazy diets.

I always try to get a girl out for a long walk / run to see how she manages, if she refuses or deflates after just couple of miles then something is wrong.

Oh and ask about / take a look at (grand)parents too.. Genes do not lie, rest assured that this is more or less what you will eventually end up with.

I know a slightly older Black American guy with a hot Latina wife (foreign born), and two sons. I had just found the manosphere at the time, and he told me a few different times, that he always reminds his wife that they need to go to the gym, eat right, etc. because he is not attracted to a big women.

The way he would say that soo seriously, would have me in stitches from laughter, but he was dead serious.

He would say that shit with a huge smile and he is a super hardcore Christian. He hated profanity and was not vulgar about anything.

What I learned from him was that frame can be just as strong even from a gentle mouth.

You see, his wife knows he spent a handful of years in prison from being a violent gangmember,(when he was like 18 or something) many years before he met her. If he gently says something, she can see from the twinkle in his eye that if he really wanted to, he could get rough enough. There is power in a gentle threat, but it is in how you say it.

He is also super stubborn about health and fitness. He's in great shape and is a stubborn and persistent person about pretty much anything he likes, Bible study, fitness, video games, whatever. She knew that before marrying him because he lets you know his style up front.

This dude is one of those kinds of guys that if you know him for a week, you will know how he likes to work, his faith, and his communication style, because he will lay it out for you without asking you for your permission. Anything he does, he does it without any flinching. It's like an eerie confidence wrapped up in psycho.

But again... he does it with his perfect teeth and his huge gentle looking smile... He had that Joel Osteen game down on lock! Smile big, be assertive!

I incorporated that into my game as well. He also put me up on styles of leadership, that pretty much amounts to peer pressure, by convincing women to tag along and create and setup a plan they can use to keep them sharp. Before he became a Christian, he was a huge player, and I always thought it was funny how even after all he went through, he still was cognizant enough to understand that game matters alot, even past marriage, and even if you are a pastor on the side.

Looking back at this guy, he lives the life most guys on the forum wish they had. His sons are now in college and highschool and he is still on point last time I saw him. Dude never broke past 65K a year when I met him, but he still had more than others, lifewise in every aspect. Luck/blessed as well, he never got laid off unlike all the rest of us and is still there, last I checked. He was the first to show me how possible it was to raise a family with a stay at home wife on a 50K a year salary. I would not recommend trying that at 50K in today's America, but 5-6 years ago, it was still doable.

You guys should meditate on these game principles on frame and how it can help you achieve keeping your wife on point. I keep my wife in dresses and skirts, she rarely dressed like that before I met her, because I insisted on it. Now that is her own preference. She even asked me today what should she wear. Put it to you this way, if she did not like me insisting upon that, she would have just went her own way. She was doing it because <TravelerKai> asked, the way I asked, and how I always provide style solutions for her every time.