Post: #26

(12-16-2015 04:29 PM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  Just numbered closed with a Chinese student girl, aged around 21, slim and quite pretty, of the nerdy variety, that I met at the bus stop near my home town on the way back from a day of gaming scowling Anglo bitches and getting blown out left and right. I really cannot believe the difference in general vibe between these two nationalities of women. The Chinese girl, although very shy and somewhat reluctant to make too much eye-contact, was blushing and acting very girly during most of the interaction and, in contrast to most of the English girls I approach, even asked questions about me and listened with interest. The most salient feature I noticed, though, was the presence of these long since vanished qualities in Anglo women: femininity and warmth. Furthermore, I detected a certain respectfulness towards me which I note is mostly lacking in encounters with women from the UK, that one might characterize as a general disdain for the male gender and which is palpable in its intensity in many instances.

By way of example: just before I was about to ask her for a date, her bus turns up and there's only one every hour to where she needed to get to. Rather than just leave me with a quick, "Sorry, no time, my bus has arrived", she actually ends up missing her bus to give me her number, which I apologize to her for. Even more noticeable was the fact that as she tried to rush for her bus, she even reached out and clasped my hand before getting on it by way of saying goodbye, which I thought was quite touching.

Even though this girl may well flake, the positive experience of this encounter was so detached from what I have ever experienced gaming British girls that I'm seriously considering only gaming Chinese girls from now on, since, if the reception I got from this girl is in any way typical of Chinese student girls, then the difference with Anglo women is surely one night and day. After this encounter I was struck forcibly by how much my experience with UK women thesedays resembles being trapped inside an episode of The Twilight Zone - their almost paranoid aloofness and even aversion to any form of contact with men with whom they are not already acquainted creates a vibe that is impossible to overlook.

Are any other guys on here living in the Anglosphere who avoid local women and only game foreign girls?

This topic has been discussed lots of times on here, but you reminded me of one of my more memorable approaches.

Last summer, I was walking around without really feeling like approaching, it was getting late and no talent was out. I saw a Japanese girl having a smoke across from a empty bar with live music, so I joined her.

She turned out to be older and just waiting to get picked up by her old college friends whom she was visiting from Japan. There was no sexual interest in either direction. However, she made me feel like she was hanging on every word I said. My usual well-rehearsed "talk about myself without saying anything about myself" throwaway ramble that is mandatory with typical American talent felt so...hollow. I felt like I was giving a speech to an eager audience. It was incredibly refreshing to have a deep conversation without having to be a bit of a cocky asshole.

We just vibed for about twenty minutes or so, enjoying the jazz and making light conversation. She opened up really quickly and asked deep, curious questions. When she had to go, she pulled out a notebook and asked me for my phone number, which she jotted down for "next time she would pass through". We both knew it wasn't going to happen,and that was fine.

After she left, I finished the cigarette I got from her, sitting in silence, and then chose to walk the two miles to my house. I couldn't stop thinking about how a short conversation with a girl I'd never see again could be more pleasant than the series of cookie-cutter dates I'd gone on that week.

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Post: #27

The only real reason I do one night stands with American women is because I can't stand them aside from when they're down on their knees and 'quiet'.

G

Post: #28

Some guys put foreign women on a pedestal..

Post: #29

^^^
True. You still need some Game to get what you want from foreign girls.

But to imply that the average Western girl is as good as her average EE/SEA/LatAm counterpart, well, that flies in the face of A LOT of guys' anecdotes.

Post: #30

(12-28-2015 06:46 PM)Brian Shima Wrote:  Some guys put foreign women on a pedestal..

Also the use of the word foreign is potentially a bit meaningless - not to mention extremely wide ranging - when the discussion is carried out by people from a multitude of countries.

Post: #31

(12-28-2015 06:46 PM)Brian Shima Wrote:  Some guys put foreign women on a pedestal..

Putting on a pedestal would imply overvaluing something's worth.

I think most men's assessment of "foreign women" in general is right on point.

If anything the anglosphere and mainstream media severely pedestalizes its own women.

Post: #32

Some observations:

Yes, women on holiday mode make them more pleasant. Men on this forum have experienced English women on holiday and their behaviour contrasts with how they appear to be in England.

However, holiday mode is not half the story. I've lived in France, Northern Ireland and England and there is a social problem with English women specifically. I have also spent time in the US and Canada and I've found North American women to be more approachable than English women. The example above of being ignored despite having a positive social experience with a woman is something I never experienced until I lived in England. Also older men and women who meet young women are shocked at how poorly they treat clients and customers.

I think the underlying current among English women is the Ice Queen (ie the lizard) who views anyone you initiates a social interaction as automatically an inferior source of annoyance. In healthy dating markets, a man with the confidence to take the initiative with strangers is viewed as socially adept and dominant. Not in Anglo markets - he's seen as inferior who therefore must DHV and neg in order to artificially create respect and attraction.

Post: #33

I should add that I went to a corporate event in London and one evening I was placed beside an Australian woman of Italian roots for dinner. As usual, I got along with a non-English woman like a house on fire and we had a non-stop conversation for three hours.

With some familiarity and wine, I mentioned that I doubt I would have had such an engaging conversation with an English woman. That set her off and she articulated how she's found things in England perfectly:

*Close friends
*Friends
* Associates
*Acquintances

She said that the vast majority of people you think you're friends with are just associates you might have a drink with and that the gulf between associates and friends is extremely wide and unlikely to be bridged. She echoed what I've heard many times from non-English women from Europe or the Anglosphere: "I don't have any English women friends no matter how much I try".

I have had enough engaging conversations with Saudi Arabian women to have experienced their feminity. They are also very intelligent and they don't shut down if a conversation turns to religious or spiritual. These are the women who are unnaturally kept from unrelated men until marriage, yet they are somehow more capable of co-ed interaction than many English women. I can only suggest that English women have been overstimulated by male social and sexual attention that they've become narcissistic emotionless lizards.

Post: #34

(12-30-2015 04:15 AM)N°6 Wrote:  I should add that I went to a corporate event in London and one evening I was placed beside an Australian woman of Italian roots for dinner. As usual, I got along with a non-English woman like a house on fire and we had a non-stop conversation for three hours.

With some familiarity and wine, I mentioned that I doubt I would have had such an engaging conversation with an English woman. That set her off and she articulated how she's found things in England perfectly:

*Close friends
*Friends
* Associates
*Acquintances

She said that the vast majority of people you think you're friends with are just associates you might have a drink with and that the gulf between associates and friends is extremely wide and unlikely to be bridged. She echoed what I've heard many times from non-English women from Europe or the Anglosphere: "I don't have any English women friends no matter how much I try".

I have had enough engaging conversations with Saudi Arabian women to have experienced their feminity. They are also very intelligent and they don't shut down if a conversation turns to religious or spiritual. These are the women who are unnaturally kept from unrelated men until marriage, yet they are somehow more capable of co-ed interaction than many English women. I can only suggest that English women have been overstimulated by male social and sexual attention that they've become narcissistic emotionless lizards.

Yes, that is precisely how I've found them to be, almost without exception. One facet of English women that has struck me incredibly forcefully the more I have observed them of late is their emotional coldness. I watched today a pair of Chinese mothers today get on the bus and tend to their children and was reminded of how much tenderness and warmth they gave off as human beings, not just towards their children, but even towards each other as they conversed and interacted with one another. In comparison, English women aren't even capable of a genuinely warm smile anymore; the nearest you'll get is a smirk where the eyes remain as dead as sharks, a wholly plastic gesture typical of narcissists and sociopaths. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that there is something decidedly sociopathic about the majority English women these days, a profound absence of emotional affect and, more worringly still, a lack of capacity for any genuine empathic response to other human beings. One need only reflect on their utter solipsistic disregard for eveybody and everything in their surroundings whilst attending to their telephonic crack habit, their smartphone, to be reminded of this sinister fact.

Post: #35

(12-30-2015 04:15 AM)N°6 Wrote:  I should add that I went to a corporate event in London and one evening I was placed beside an Australian woman of Italian roots for dinner. As usual, I got along with a non-English woman like a house on fire and we had a non-stop conversation for three hours.

With some familiarity and wine, I mentioned that I doubt I would have had such an engaging conversation with an English woman. That set her off and she articulated how she's found things in England perfectly:

*Close friends
*Friends
* Associates
*Acquintances

She said that the vast majority of people you think you're friends with are just associates you might have a drink with and that the gulf between associates and friends is extremely wide and unlikely to be bridged. She echoed what I've heard many times from non-English women from Europe or the Anglosphere: "I don't have any English women friends no matter how much I try".

I have had enough engaging conversations with Saudi Arabian women to have experienced their feminity. They are also very intelligent and they don't shut down if a conversation turns to religious or spiritual. These are the women who are unnaturally kept from unrelated men until marriage, yet they are somehow more capable of co-ed interaction than many English women. I can only suggest that English women have been overstimulated by male social and sexual attention that they've become narcissistic emotionless lizards.

I'm currently in conversation with a Czech woman living near London who's been living in the UK for some years now. After I asked her how she found the people in the UK compared with back home, she mentioned how she got along with the men quite well but really couldn't do the same with the vast majority of the women. Not wanting to suggest anything to her, I merely asked her why this was and she said the following: "I find the women here cold, bitchy and they think they are something special", which pretty much nails it, in my view. I couldn't help but wonder how many other women from outside of the Anglosphere also feel this way towards their adopted sisters.

Post: #36

Women develop this behavior because they have never faced any danger or real hardship.

They first time a bomb goes off in their neighborhood, or a gang of muslim teens run by with guns, these women will suddenly become lovey-dovey and start baking cookies for any man who can protect them.

A few years later, when the danger recedes, they become cold and bitchy again.

Post: #37

^^^
Note that some of that hardship is relieved by socialism, and by extension, feminism, which is just socialism for women.

Post: #38

(01-31-2016 02:05 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  Women develop this behavior because they have never faced any danger or real hardship.

They first time a bomb goes off in their neighborhood, or a gang of muslim teens run by with guns, these women will suddenly become lovey-dovey and start baking cookies for any man who can protect them.

A few years later, when the danger recedes, they become cold and bitchy again.

I agree and believe that the next leg of the global financial crisis may well precipitate a return to a state of affairs in which women learn to re-evaluate the importance of men to their lives.

MrLemon, though, surely touches on topic which, I believe, forms a big part of the explanation for the thirst and atrocious attitudes that Western women evince towards men, especially those in the Anglosphere:

There's currently a marked asymmetry between men's need for women, which derives mostly from their need for sexual release, on the one hand, and women's need for men, which has traditionally focused on the man's ability to provide resources and security to the female. Given that the state now provides both resources and security to women in large measure, the bargaining power that men formerly brought to the table and that ensured a balance of power between the sexes has diminished greatly, leading to a lopsided power relation between men and women to the significant advantage of the latter, thus enabling the sort of toxic behaviour that has been much discussed throughout the manosphere.

Feminism has cemented this development by providing the intellectual justification for this independence, thus leveraging the original cockblocking factor of state socialist provisioning by several orders of magnitude as a result of women's internalisation of this misandric narrative.