Post: #1

I feel that it'd be wise for men to stop bestowing the "10" label upon women for several reasons, the first being that they simply don't exist in actuality.

In my mind, a 10 implies perfection. When you hand out that label, you're basically saying that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that girl, nothing that's even less than perfect on her. Even the most beautiful women have some sort of flaw physically, and probably at least a couple personally. Imperfection is our reality. They are all humans, and humans are naturally imperfect.

When you give out a legitimate 10, you sort of imply otherwise-that she's transcended human norms of imperfection and become flawless, like some sort of goddess. This is a mentality than can lead to serious pedestalization issues if you're not careful. We all talk about many girls having inflated egos, and I honestly believe this is part of why. We have too many guys telling them that they are perfect, flawless, entirely without fault and unable to do wrong. If you were that girl getting the "10" label all the time(on top of all the red carpet treatment men give you), you'd probably have the same flaky attitude. People have basically said that you are perfection-you can do no wrong. Why settle for any guy when you've been deemed perfect and absolutely flawless?

Think about a girl in your mind who you've ever labelled a 10. Is she TRULY flawless? Is there nothing about her that, were you a god, you would make better? Could her boobs be shaped a little better? Is her face the prettiest you've ever seen? If her face is the prettiest, then does she have a good waste-to-hip ratio to go with it? How are her teeth-could they be whiter? Could her stomach be tighter? Could she have better legs or height? I could go on.

The bottomline is that a truly flawless woman (a real 10) cannot be nitpicked. If you can find anything at all you'd like better on her, she isn't a 10. If a large number of other men can find something they don't like(even if you can't quite do it yet), she isn't a 10-afterall, if a girl a were truly perfect there really wouldn't be any significant number of men who could find obvious fault with her. If any other girl does any one thing(face, hips, etc) better than her, she isn't a 10. She isn't without flaws.

When guys ignore this reality and throw out that label for women(then treat them as such), they engage in dangerous pedestalization and ego inflation.

The girls I post in that other thread are my 9s and 9.5s-no 10s. There are no actual human 10s as far as I am concerned, and most only get close with the aid of photoshop and makeup.

Thoughts?

Post: #2

I think that a 10 will always be subjective so you can never use another man's opinion as a gauge which I brought up in my other thread.

I think the term a 10 can be used loosely to describe a woman you can find no wrong with, generally speaking.

If you do not have a 10 then you cannot have an 9 or an 8 and then the scales will begin to diminish and all results will be affected.

I can use bodies as an example. I think buffy the body has the most amazing ass I have ever seen (via Internet). If it up close, it proves to be void of cottage cheese then I can see no wrong with that ass.
Then if I really look, then I might think it's a bit big and I just want a perky ass.

Then, when I have a perky ass at my disposal I think, damn, a little more volume on this ass wouldn't hurt.

So based on those realistic terms, a 10 does exist...I saw quite a few in DR..

Post: #3

(06-10-2011 07:06 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  I feel that it'd be wise for men to stop bestowing the "10" label upon women for several reasons, the first being that they simply don't exist in actuality.

In my mind, a 10 implies perfection. When you hand out that label, you're basically saying that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that girl, nothing that's even less than perfect on her. Even the most beautiful women have some sort of flaw physically, and probably at least a couple personally. Imperfection is our reality. They are all humans, and humans are naturally imperfect.

When you give out a legitimate 10, you sort of imply otherwise-that she's transcended human norms of imperfection and become flawless, like some sort of goddess. This is a mentality than can lead to serious pedestalization issues if you're not careful. We all talk about many girls having inflated egos, and I honestly believe this is part of why. We have too many guys telling them that they are perfect, flawless, entirely without fault and unable to do wrong. If you were that girl getting the "10" label all the time(on top of all the red carpet treatment men give you), you'd probably have the same flaky attitude. People have basically said that you are perfection-you can do no wrong. Why settle for any guy when you've been deemed perfect and absolutely flawless?

Think about a girl in your mind who you've ever labelled a 10. Is she TRULY flawless? Is there nothing about her that, were you a god, you would make better? Could her boobs be shaped a little better? Is her face the prettiest you've ever seen? If her face is the prettiest, then does she have a good waste-to-hip ratio to go with it? How are her teeth-could they be whiter? Could her stomach be tighter? Could she have better legs or height? I could go on.

The bottomline is that a truly flawless woman (a real 10) cannot be nitpicked. If you can find anything at all you'd like better on her, she isn't a 10. If a large number of other men can find something they don't like(even if you can't quite do it yet), she isn't a 10-afterall, if a girl a were truly perfect there really wouldn't be any significant number of men who could find obvious fault with her. If any other girl does any one thing(face, hips, etc) better than her, she isn't a 10. She isn't without flaws.

When guys ignore this reality and throw out that label for women(then treat them as such), they engage in dangerous pedestalization and ego inflation.

The girls I post in that other thread are my 9s and 9.5s-no 10s. There are no actual human 10s as far as I am concerned, and most only get close with the aid of photoshop and makeup.

Thoughts?

Very well put, and I definitely agree with you. I would like mention however that
most men use the '10'description as a way of saying extremely pretty. I'm sure most man, expecially the ones on this forum, realize there are no perfect or flawless girls. I also think most of the guys on the forum would consider personality, education and income level as a factor before considering someone even to be a 9.5. Still, overall your very right about the heroine worship we do. Women have got to stop being put on pedestals. I'm just as guilty of this a any body. I've dated girls that I knew were 6.5. to 7, yet I made them feel like 10's. I actually thought I was doing the right thing. I've always thought you're supposed to make your girl feel good about herself. All I succeeded in doing what is to help them realize they had better options! I now know that if their mamas' weren't to be able to instill self-esteem into them, it's not my job to do so!

Post: #4

Post: #5

(06-10-2011 07:06 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  If her face is the prettiest, then does she have a good waste-to-hip ratio to go with it?

I suppose fundamentally there's nothing all that difficult about measuring a girl's waste-to-hip ratio, but frankly I'd rather not have to be the one who does the measuring, and I don't even think I'd want to know what a girl's ratio is.

Post: #6

I actually think aesthetically that perfection is possible with women, but personality-wise it's impossible.

I'm experimenting with a scale where I rate a girl based on looks + personality + willingness to fuck, so a 7 who's sweet and kind and easier to get into bed is worth as much as an 8 who is bitchy, stupid and I need to take on 6 dates to get into her pants. Stay tuned.

Post: #7

let y be the attractiveness of a woman, where 1 < y < 10, and let y = f(x), where x is the number of positive qualities a woman possesses.

Thus,

lim f(x) = 10 as x tends to infinity

Post: #8

I dunno. Its subjective. There are a lot of men on this forum that like "thick" (FAT) women. Those dogs are a 4 to me, and they are 9 to others. Personality plays no part in looks. A hot bish is a hot bish. You rate the looks, not the little girl inside.

1 is the lowest of the low, 10 is your idea of as close to perfect as you can get.

A good friend of mine has scratched this system. He now rates women by the hour. $50 is a crack whore, $1000 is top shelf. They are a commodity after all

Post: #9

I never believe anyone when they say they met a 10 since it is specific to our tastes but you can't ignore those women who are considered the cream of the crop.

When I was in Beirut last month I met this beautiful girl in a coffee shop who was half Italian, half cuban with the most perfect hip-to-waist ratio that I've ever seen. She said she was a Harvard graduate who was working in Egypt for 3 years but later I found out (via facebook) that her job was actually as a belly dancer. The funny thing about it was that she was so successful as a belly dancer that she put other Egyptian dancers out of work and in turn they turned on her by calling the "belly dancing" police saying she was working illegally in the country (hence why she was in Beirut).

A 10? I don't know but specimens of her quality are extremely rare.

Post: #10

(06-10-2011 08:27 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  

(06-10-2011 07:06 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  I feel that it'd be wise for men to stop bestowing the "10" label upon women for several reasons, the first being that they simply don't exist in actuality.

In my mind, a 10 implies perfection. When you hand out that label, you're basically saying that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that girl, nothing that's even less than perfect on her. Even the most beautiful women have some sort of flaw physically, and probably at least a couple personally. Imperfection is our reality. They are all humans, and humans are naturally imperfect.

When you give out a legitimate 10, you sort of imply otherwise-that she's transcended human norms of imperfection and become flawless, like some sort of goddess. This is a mentality than can lead to serious pedestalization issues if you're not careful. We all talk about many girls having inflated egos, and I honestly believe this is part of why. We have too many guys telling them that they are perfect, flawless, entirely without fault and unable to do wrong. If you were that girl getting the "10" label all the time(on top of all the red carpet treatment men give you), you'd probably have the same flaky attitude. People have basically said that you are perfection-you can do no wrong. Why settle for any guy when you've been deemed perfect and absolutely flawless?

Think about a girl in your mind who you've ever labelled a 10. Is she TRULY flawless? Is there nothing about her that, were you a god, you would make better? Could her boobs be shaped a little better? Is her face the prettiest you've ever seen? If her face is the prettiest, then does she have a good waste-to-hip ratio to go with it? How are her teeth-could they be whiter? Could her stomach be tighter? Could she have better legs or height? I could go on.

The bottomline is that a truly flawless woman (a real 10) cannot be nitpicked. If you can find anything at all you'd like better on her, she isn't a 10. If a large number of other men can find something they don't like(even if you can't quite do it yet), she isn't a 10-afterall, if a girl a were truly perfect there really wouldn't be any significant number of men who could find obvious fault with her. If any other girl does any one thing(face, hips, etc) better than her, she isn't a 10. She isn't without flaws.

When guys ignore this reality and throw out that label for women(then treat them as such), they engage in dangerous pedestalization and ego inflation.

The girls I post in that other thread are my 9s and 9.5s-no 10s. There are no actual human 10s as far as I am concerned, and most only get close with the aid of photoshop and makeup.

Thoughts?

Very well put, and I definitely agree with you. I would like mention however that
most men use the '10'description as a way of saying extremely pretty. I'm sure most man, expecially the ones on this forum, realize there are no perfect or flawless girls. I also think most of the guys on the forum would consider personality, education and income level as a factor before considering someone even to be a 9.5. Still, overall your very right about the heroine worship we do. Women have got to stop being put on pedestals. I'm just as guilty of this a any body. I've dated girls that I knew were 6.5. to 7, yet I made them feel like 10's. I actually thought I was doing the right thing. I've always thought you're supposed to make your girl feel good about herself. All I succeeded in doing what is to help them realize they had better options! I now know that if their mamas' weren't to be able to instill self-esteem into them, it's not my job to do so!

Wait, what? That's terrible, not making them feel good because they'll realize they have better options! hehe, I think you have to believe you are the best option for the girl, and not let her feel she's not that good so she better settle for you. But yea, I get it, don't make them think that you think they are better than you.

Post: #11

(06-12-2011 11:04 AM)Riker Wrote:  Wait, what? That's terrible, not making them feel good because they'll realize they have better options! hehe, I think you have to believe you are the best option for the girl, and not let her feel she's not that good so she better settle for you.

So you think it is terrible for a guy to realize that he shouldn't be pumping up a woman's ego and making an effort to boost her self esteem? Really?
That's just pathetic. This is rule number one when it comes to women, especially American women-do not pump up their egos. Do not be a "nice guy". It doesn't mean cuss her out every chance you get. It means never pumping her up.

Treat her like you would any male friend, or maybe your kid sister. It is not your job to make her feel beautiful and worthy-she has a ton of friends, family and the media to do that for her.

As for your solution, which if I'm not mistaken is "believe that you are the best option for her", that advice is about as valuable as "just be yourself". Plenty of beta male orbiters sincerely believe they are the best option for the girls they put on a pedestal.

Self delusion is not a solution.

Post: #12

(06-12-2011 02:34 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  So you think it is terrible for a guy to realize that he shouldn't be pumping up a woman's ego and making an effort to boost her self esteem? Really?
That's just pathetic. This is rule number one when it comes to women, especially American women-do not pump up their egos. Do not be a "nice guy". It doesn't mean cuss her out every chance you get. It means never pumping her up.

Treat her like you would any male friend, or maybe your kid sister. It is not your job to make her feel beautiful and worthy-she has a ton of friends, family and the media to do that for her.

As for your solution, which if I'm not mistaken is "believe that you are the best option for her", that advice is about as valuable as "just be yourself". Plenty of beta male orbiters sincerely believe they are the best option for the girls they put on a pedestal.

Self delusion is not a solution.

I made a mistake doing this. I always felt like I could keep it real but then lizards felt I was a sucka ass.. for doing so..at lot so in the dot.

So I've switched up my play and I will only compliment women from other countries..but if she has lived in Toronto for a while, I will not make any comments on how good she looks.
In fact, many lizards don't even know I'm interested in them until I'm surreptitiously scooping their boob flesh out of their blouses in my den of inequity..

Post: #13

(06-12-2011 02:34 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:04 AM)Riker Wrote:  Wait, what? That's terrible, not making them feel good because they'll realize they have better options! hehe, I think you have to believe you are the best option for the girl, and not let her feel she's not that good so she better settle for you.

So you think it is terrible for a guy to realize that he shouldn't be pumping up a woman's ego and making an effort to boost her self esteem? Really?
That's just pathetic. This is rule number one when it comes to women, especially American women-do not pump up their egos. Do not be a "nice guy". It doesn't mean cuss her out every chance you get. It means never pumping her up.

Treat her like you would any male friend, or maybe your kid sister. It is not your job to make her feel beautiful and worthy-she has a ton of friends, family and the media to do that for her.

As for your solution, which if I'm not mistaken is "believe that you are the best option for her", that advice is about as valuable as "just be yourself". Plenty of beta male orbiters sincerely believe they are the best option for the girls they put on a pedestal.

Self delusion is not a solution.

I agree with what your saying just not the way you said it. It just seems like you're somehow tricking a girl into being with you when she could have had a much happier life with one of her "better options." And if the poor girls mama didn't give her self esteem you could help, I mean you probably don't want to be with someone with no self esteem anyways. But I guess I'm naive cause I'm talking about the healthy kind, where you love yourself and it doesn't make you look down on others. I guess we're talking here about the perversion of self esteem where its actually another form of insecurity where people will look down on others and treat them badly.

Post: #14

(06-13-2011 11:16 AM)Riker Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 02:34 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(06-12-2011 11:04 AM)Riker Wrote:  Wait, what? That's terrible, not making them feel good because they'll realize they have better options! hehe, I think you have to believe you are the best option for the girl, and not let her feel she's not that good so she better settle for you.

So you think it is terrible for a guy to realize that he shouldn't be pumping up a woman's ego and making an effort to boost her self esteem? Really?
That's just pathetic. This is rule number one when it comes to women, especially American women-do not pump up their egos. Do not be a "nice guy". It doesn't mean cuss her out every chance you get. It means never pumping her up.

Treat her like you would any male friend, or maybe your kid sister. It is not your job to make her feel beautiful and worthy-she has a ton of friends, family and the media to do that for her.

As for your solution, which if I'm not mistaken is "believe that you are the best option for her", that advice is about as valuable as "just be yourself". Plenty of beta male orbiters sincerely believe they are the best option for the girls they put on a pedestal.

Self delusion is not a solution.

I agree with what your saying just not the way you said it. It just seems like you're somehow tricking a girl into being with you when she could have had a much happier life with one of her "better options." And if the poor girls mama didn't give her self esteem you could help, I mean you probably don't want to be with someone with no self esteem anyways. But I guess I'm naive cause I'm talking about the healthy kind, where you love yourself and it doesn't make you look down on others. I guess we're talking here about the perversion of self esteem where its actually another form of insecurity where people will look down on others and treat them badly.

Well, if I honestly believed that my ex's were going to be better off with somoene else, I more than likely, after licking my wounds, wouldn't blame them for 'trading up.' However, I think most of the guys on here who have mentioned the loss of a girl don't reall believe that they've moved on to something better. They feel their girl left them over superficia nonsense, or didn't have even the common will power to work thru problems that come up and exist in ALL relationships, even the new relationships that they're getting into. I can say for a fact that nearly none of the girls I've dated went on to a 'better deal', because no more than 2-3 months after breaking up with them, I start getting the unnecessary phone calls and text messages out of nowhere! I had one girl who I've ignored all contact with and have told never to speak to me again, text me to let me know Osama Bin Ladin had been killed! If you're happy with your new man, no need to text me anything! Needless to say, I again didn't respond. I'm sure other guys on here have gone thru the same thing. Many women are unhappy with themselves, but they take it out on their men. They use their men as scape goats you could say. There's no need to further exacerbate the problem by artificially pumping their heads up. Occassionally, when she's getting dressed up to go out, and you see she's really put some time into how she's looking, it's fine to compliment. Even then not too much. But just to routinely tell her how beautiful she is, even when she's just woken up is a bad habit to start with all but the most level headed of women!

Post: #15

I agree with this 100%, as an advocate of the "10 does not exist" code.

Post: #16

(06-13-2011 11:16 AM)Riker Wrote:  I agree with what your saying just not the way you said it. It just seems like you're somehow tricking a girl into being with you when she could have had a much happier life with one of her "better options."

No, you've got the whole thing backwards.

By inflating her ego with extra compliments and playing the "nice guy" who seeks to make her feel good all the time, you risk creating an abundance mentality within her mind, which in turn convinces her to go find "better options". You've told her she's essentially perfect, so why should she settle for you?

The "better options" are not always or even often present/existent. You create that situation by being the nice-guy chump, and essentially serve to trick her into thinking she absolutely must and easily could do far better than you.

And what kind of mindset is that anyway? "She could have had a much happier life with one of her better options"? In your previous post, you said this:
"I think you have to believe you are the best option for the girl"

If that is actually your mindset, then why would you even entertain the notion that a) "better options" exist and are easily accessible to her and b) she should be with them instead of you?

Quote:And if the poor girls mama didn't give her self esteem you could help, I mean you probably don't want to be with someone with no self esteem anyways.

That isn't your job.

Quote:But I guess I'm naive cause I'm talking about the healthy kind, where you love yourself and it doesn't make you look down on others.

Translation: You live in la-la land.

For any gamer (especially one in the US), this mentality you are espousing is death. It leads to nothing but failure.

Quote:I guess we're talking here about the perversion of self esteem where its actually another form of insecurity where people will look down on others and treat them badly.

We're talking about not pumping up a girls ego.

That means no compliments-the few you give should always be backhanded at most, never outright complimentary. It means no playing the emotional counselor friend, and it means no acting as though you are a convenient shoulder to cry on all the time.

It does not mean insult her blatantly and tear her down. A man should simply aim not to build her up undeservedly just because she is a female, as most betas do. Just treat her like another person-nothing more, nothing less.

Post: #17

(06-15-2011 06:32 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(06-13-2011 11:16 AM)Riker Wrote:  I agree with what your saying just not the way you said it. It just seems like you're somehow tricking a girl into being with you when she could have had a much happier life with one of her "better options."

No, you've got the whole thing backwards.

By inflating her ego with extra compliments and playing the "nice guy" who seeks to make her feel good all the time, you risk creating an abundance mentality within her mind, which in turn convinces her to go find "better options". You've told her she's essentially perfect, so why should she settle for you?

The "better options" are not always or even often present/existent. You create that situation by being the nice-guy chump, and essentially serve to trick her into thinking she absolutely must and easily could do far better than you.

And what kind of mindset is that anyway? "She could have had a much happier life with one of her better options"? In your previous post, you said this:
"I think you have to believe you are the best option for the girl"

If that is actually your mindset, then why would you even entertain the notion that a) "better options" exist and are easily accessible to her and b) she should be with them instead of you?

Quote:And if the poor girls mama didn't give her self esteem you could help, I mean you probably don't want to be with someone with no self esteem anyways.

That isn't your job.

Quote:But I guess I'm naive cause I'm talking about the healthy kind, where you love yourself and it doesn't make you look down on others.

Translation: You live in la-la land.

For any gamer (especially one in the US), this mentality you are espousing is death. It leads to nothing but failure.

Quote:I guess we're talking here about the perversion of self esteem where its actually another form of insecurity where people will look down on others and treat them badly.

We're talking about not pumping up a girls ego.

That means no compliments-the few you give should always be backhanded at most, never outright complimentary. It means no playing the emotional counselor friend, and it means no acting as though you are a convenient shoulder to cry on all the time.

It does not mean insult her blatantly and tear her down. A man should simply aim not to build her up undeservedly just because she is a female, as most betas do. Just treat her like another person-nothing more, nothing less.

Damn.... ok you win I just wish I could have high enough value (money, game, status, etc.) where I could give compliments if I notice something I like about a girl (kind of the same way I treat guys) but since I'm so fucking cool the girl doesn't feel she is better or settling for me. But yea I kinda do live in lala land and since I don't get laid alot I really can't talk.

Post: #18

When someone says 10, I don't think "that girl is infact perfect. She has no flaws and is an angel."

No, I think "that girl must be stupid fucking hot if my friend gave her a 10."

Post: #19

(06-15-2011 06:32 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(06-13-2011 11:16 AM)Riker Wrote:  I agree with what your saying just not the way you said it. It just seems like you're somehow tricking a girl into being with you when she could have had a much happier life with one of her "better options."

No, you've got the whole thing backwards.

By inflating her ego with extra compliments and playing the "nice guy" who seeks to make her feel good all the time, you risk creating an abundance mentality within her mind, which in turn convinces her to go find "better options". You've told her she's essentially perfect, so why should she settle for you?

The "better options" are not always or even often present/existent. You create that situation by being the nice-guy chump, and essentially serve to trick her into thinking she absolutely must and easily could do far better than you.

And what kind of mindset is that anyway? "She could have had a much happier life with one of her better options"? In your previous post, you said this:
"I think you have to believe you are the best option for the girl"

If that is actually your mindset, then why would you even entertain the notion that a) "better options" exist and are easily accessible to her and b) she should be with them instead of you?

Quote:And if the poor girls mama didn't give her self esteem you could help, I mean you probably don't want to be with someone with no self esteem anyways.

That isn't your job.

Quote:But I guess I'm naive cause I'm talking about the healthy kind, where you love yourself and it doesn't make you look down on others.

Translation: You live in la-la land.

For any gamer (especially one in the US), this mentality you are espousing is death. It leads to nothing but failure.

Quote:I guess we're talking here about the perversion of self esteem where its actually another form of insecurity where people will look down on others and treat them badly.

We're talking about not pumping up a girls ego.

That means no compliments-the few you give should always be backhanded at most, never outright complimentary. It means no playing the emotional counselor friend, and it means no acting as though you are a convenient shoulder to cry on all the time.

It does not mean insult her blatantly and tear her down. A man should simply aim not to build her up undeservedly just because she is a female, as most betas do. Just treat her like another person-nothing more, nothing less.

Absolutely correct! If I knew how to give a +1 I would! Lol. With the way most Western men were raised, there really is a tendency to want to fall into the trap of over-complimenting your girl, especially if you actually do consider her to be hot! I mean, there are times when my girl would be in shorts and a tank top, washing her car, and I would think, "Damn, she looks good!" So, it's something that men really have to watch. Occassionally, especially if she just left the salon or something like that, sure. but for the most part try to fight the urge!

Post: #20

Most 10s and 9s have great personalities, they just don't show it to every lame guy that comes along. Else, the guy will fall in love with her as the "perfect looking girl with the great personality" and never leave her alone. Girls learn.

IF people were nice to you your whole life, you'd probably be pleasant naturally. Most pretty girls are, in my experience. They might be stuck up in a DATING context, but that's quite different from how they are to their parents, siblings, cousins, close female friends, etc. Guys extrapolate far too much about a girl's attitude from how she interacts with guys stepping to her.

The no compliments thing only works on very young girls. 22 or so max. Girls older than that get savvy to that. They realize that if a guy NEVER compliments her, it's a game, he's being false, and they act accordingly. They aren't as dumb as you hope they are. The trick is to give compliments that DO NOT pump up her ego. Sincere ones. Pretend she's your aunt, how would compliment your aunt? Take that as a starting point, then sexualize it so it's more relevant to the situation. PLus, women love compliments from men they are attracted to, they just don't care about the compliments from men they don't see as sexual creatures.

With women, everything is contextual.

Post: #21

(06-15-2011 06:29 PM)Urban Renaissance Man Wrote:  Absolutely correct! If I knew how to give a +1 I would! Lol.

Click on the little green number next to a user's "reputation". In that window that comes up, look in the top right for the button that says "rate user". Click that and you can add a rating(positive(+1), neutral, or negative(-1)).

(06-15-2011 09:05 PM)Sh0t Wrote:  IF people were nice to you your whole life, you'd probably be pleasant naturally. Most pretty girls are, in my experience. They might be stuck up in a DATING context, but that's quite different from how they are to their parents, siblings, cousins, close female friends, etc. Guys extrapolate far too much about a girl's attitude from how she interacts with guys stepping to her.

That is a very valid point, well stated. A girl's dealings with men are not indicative of every personal relationship she has.
Then again, we all just want to get into their pants, so naturally we only think within the context of our ability to get with her. That is definitely a common issue.

I would contend that finding a way to get beyond that common mindset is key to the successful practice of social circle game, and is most useful in that context.
If cold approaches are your primary tactic then you obviously won't be able to get beyond her persona in a dating/approach context. That is just an inherent limit of that strategy.

Quote:The no compliments thing only works on very young girls. 22 or so max.

True. My statements above are colored by a focus on younger women, the only ones I've dealt with in my life.

I'm 20, for the record.

Quote:Girls older than that get savvy to that. They realize that if a guy NEVER compliments her, it's a game, he's being false, and they act accordingly. They aren't as dumb as you hope they are. The trick is to give compliments that DO NOT pump up her ego. Sincere ones. Pretend she's your aunt, how would compliment your aunt? Take that as a starting point, then sexualize it so it's more relevant to the situation. PLus, women love compliments from men they are attracted to, they just don't care about the compliments from men they don't see as sexual creatures.

With women, everything is contextual.

Good advice, nothing really to add.

The bottomline here is simple: just don't pump up her ego. How you go about that will vary by context.

Post: #22

(06-15-2011 09:05 PM)Sh0t Wrote:  Most 10s and 9s have great personalities, they just don't show it to every lame guy that comes along. Else, the guy will fall in love with her as the "perfect looking girl with the great personality" and never leave her alone. Girls learn.

IF people were nice to you your whole life, you'd probably be pleasant naturally. Most pretty girls are, in my experience. They might be stuck up in a DATING context, but that's quite different from how they are to their parents, siblings, cousins, close female friends, etc. Guys extrapolate far too much about a girl's attitude from how she interacts with guys stepping to her.

The no compliments thing only works on very young girls. 22 or so max. Girls older than that get savvy to that. They realize that if a guy NEVER compliments her, it's a game, he's being false, and they act accordingly. They aren't as dumb as you hope they are. The trick is to give compliments that DO NOT pump up her ego. Sincere ones. Pretend she's your aunt, how would compliment your aunt? Take that as a starting point, then sexualize it so it's more relevant to the situation. PLus, women love compliments from men they are attracted to, they just don't care about the compliments from men they don't see as sexual creatures.

With women, everything is contextual.

Very good points. You may notice in my posts that I mention giving compliments at times, such as when they've just visited the salon, etc. , just don't overdo it, or focus to much on her looks. I have actually heard guys say things such as, "How did I get so lucky to have you?" Things like that might sound romantic on tv, but they really have the opposite effect over the long run. Also, as far as only young girls falling for the 'no compliment' trick, I'm not so sure about that since most people old or young suffer from some level of low self esteem, so they might fall for it more than you think, though it isn't a trick I would advocate in the first place. The goal isn't to make the girl think you don't like her, its to make her realize your world doesn't revolve around her, you can do better than her if need be, and you'd be fine without her.

Post: #23

I'm 30, for the record.

I focus on younger women, when I'm in that mood. That's how I know the difference. I'm in an Asian MILF mood these days. Pampered Asian housewives with fake breasts, specifically.

Most of my girlfriends right now are 19-26, with a few outliers of 30-31. Knowing what the younger girls turn into really helps in getting younger girls. If you start dating some older women, just for fun, ask them about life in their 20s. What they tell you is golden.

I use the "10" label not in any scientific context, but just to mean "Holy shit, this bitch is hot". Same way we say "dime", etc. I often find myself saying "dime-y", "dime-ish", "ten-ISH", and similar.