Post: #26

Hi Gentlemen,
Thanks so much for the replies. I feel like I will probably never trust another woman like that again. This is the kind of s**t that scars a man for life. I am not sure if we are in an age where women can be trusted.

Post: #27

(06-11-2011 05:36 AM)Diablo Wrote:  Hi Gentlemen,
Thanks so much for the replies. I feel like I will probably never trust another woman like that again. This is the kind of s**t that scars a man for life. I am not sure if we are in an age where women can be trusted.

They can't be trusted and will do terrible things to you. U should be happy that you didn't get married and have kids.

Short story; I know this guy who bought a house together with his wife and had 2 kids. 2 years go by and the guy realizes that his wife has been cheating on him with a CLOSE FRIEND for months. WHat happens next is shocking but the truth, the guy divorces the bitch, but wait, didn't they buy the house together???? The guy has to leave his OWN house and sleep in his car while the bitch lives with the guy's FRIEND and makes the children call the friend 'DADDY.' The guy makes about 2000 $ a month, he has to pay 400$ child support, and is left with 200$ left at the end of the month after all costs like rent, gas, etc. But what about the kids??? He can only see them once or twice a week because of feminist laws !!

Now the guy asked the bitch that he wanted to see the kids more often, what she does next is go to a lawyer and say that her ex-husband is stalking her! The lawyer sends a letter to the guy saying that he cannot be near her house in a 1 or 2 km radius.

So like I said, be happy that you didn't marry and have kids.

Post: #28

The sooner men quit deluding themselves into thinking that money and the ability to provide dont matter the sooner they can stop being surprised by this shit.

Its like women who refuse to accept that their education or job is not going to make them more attractive to men. Or that old cougar who gets upset when the man her age is hitting on the younger, hotter chicks "who he has nothing in common with". Its delusion. All women are materialistic and all women come with a laundry list of conditions. The more options she has, the longer that list will be and the more discerning she will be.

You dont need money to fuck women, you need money to keep them though. Just the way it is.

Post: #29

(06-11-2011 08:35 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  The sooner men quit deluding themselves into thinking that money and the ability to provide dont matter the sooner they can stop being surprised by this shit.

Its like women who refuse to accept that their education or job is not going to make them more attractive to men. Or that old cougar who gets upset when the man her age is hitting on the younger, hotter chicks "who he has nothing in common with". Its delusion. All women are materialistic and all women come with a laundry list of conditions. The more options she has, the longer that list will be and the more discerning she will be.

You dont need money to fuck women, you need money to keep them though. Just the way it is.

best post i've seen in any forum

Post: #30

Well, I'm gonna give it to you right between the eyes.

She left you because:

1. You got too comfortable and started slippin'. She was pleasing you more tha you her. That's great that you kept her pleasing you more, but you had no other women in your stable making you vulnerable to face the inevitable with her, which has left you in pieces as a result. Never have only 1 girl as a source of pussy--NEVER!

2. You were never an Alpha lover & leader, but a beta provider who was nice enough to let her run around town with a gold-digging, slutty girlfriend. Seriously, what did you think was going happen as a result? That's just like she approving of you hanging out with a player like me. Think that she would have approved?

It's normal she got bored; women change their minds like their shoes.

3. Instead of asking her what you did wrong, your response should have been "don't let the door hit you on the way out. I would have called a girl as she is packing and said "Hey, Maria guess what? you can finally move in now, my ex is moving out! Sound VERY excited!

Oh yeah, and what is with this crying shit over a woman that can easily be replaced, just like she replaced you?



Mixx

Post: #31

Diablo I'm sorry this happened to you homie! I've been there and done that and like everyone else said, get out there and make yourself talk to girls. You'll forget about that hoe eventually. Learn from your mistakes and move on. Welcome to the game...

Post: #32

Man, that's a catastrophe. Like everyone said, this is a blessing in the long-term. It's like a friend of yours banging your girlfriend - he did you a favor by proving that she's a whore. While it's possible you could have gamed her better and kept her, you'd probably just be putting off the impending doom.

Diablo, was this girl a college graduate? I have to wonder what kind of girl would be comfortable living at home doing nothing, unemployed. We may not like girls obsessed with their careers, but an unmarried girl who feels no desire to get her own career going is a pretty big red flag to me.

Guys here and elsewhere say how marriage is a raw deal and divorce is a huge risk. And marriage is a raw deal, but your risk of divorce (and by extension, scenarios like these) varies a lot from one woman to another. 4 year college grads have half the divorce rate that everyone else does. Put your junk anywhere you like, but keep the crazies far. Learn to discern high risk from low risk girls. And while girls with education and smarts are typically a better choice, there are plenty of nuts in every category.

If you can learn to pick out the better women, your trust in women might be restored.

Post: #33

(06-11-2011 10:19 AM)basilransom Wrote:  Man, that's a catastrophe. Like everyone said, this is a blessing in the long-term. It's like a friend of yours fucking your girlfriend - he did you a favor by proving that she's a whore. While it's possible you could have gamed her better and kept her, you'd probably just be putting off the impending doom.

Diablo, was this girl a college graduate? I have to wonder what kind of girl would be comfortable living at home doing nothing, unemployed. We may not like girls obsessed with their careers, but a girl who feels no desire to get her own career going is a pretty big aberration.

Guys here and elsewhere say how marriage is a raw deal and divorce is a huge risk. And marriage is a raw deal, but your risk of divorce (and by extension, scenarios like these) varies a lot from one woman to another. 4 year college grads have half the divorce rate that everyone else does. Put your junk anywhere you like, but keep the crazies far. Learn to discern high risk from low risk girls. And while girls with education and smarts are typically a better choice, there are plenty of nuts in every category.

NO,

She was unemployed and I don't think she made it that far academically. Now that I think about it. I am sure she paid her rent through fucking other guys. Not as in prostitution as in the sense that we understand it, but like screwing a guy and then asking for financial favors after. Her ex before me was a 40+ year old guy that was married and had kids and he used to finance her. At this moment I don't know her exact location but I do know she is screwing one guy who is like 35+ and lives approx 30 mins away from my house. And at the same time she is screwing this other dude at the otherside of town. I heard about this other guy today. so now she is fucking 2 guys at the same time. Who knows if they know each other.


The last paragraph of your post is so interesting. When I broke up with this girl I told me dad a week later. He lost trust in the girl after something happened but he never made it apparent how much he hated the girl until she left. Anyway we had a small discussion about women in general and he was telling me he had a feeling this would happen. I was puzzled, but then he eleborated. He said he though she was below my station and that I should date people in the same league bracket, not someone so far below me. I thought it was harsh at first but I get what he is saying. Basically one shouldn't get involved with someone of a lower standing as you because they have less in common with you then their own type.

I fell in love because of the service I was getting, 3 cooked meals, clean rooms, sex at any time I liked (could come home late from work at like 2am, just stroke the kitty cat and she would wake up and start fucking me. She was always ready to f**k and was that horny)includin swallowing the gook and not wasting a drop (I hate girls that waste it). That is why she was so unique. Its hard to find women like that anywhere on the globe. she just wasn't perfect enough for me.

Post: #34

(06-11-2011 09:29 AM)MiXX Wrote:  Well, I'm gonna give it to you right between the eyes.

She left you because:

1. You got too comfortable and started slippin'. She was pleasing you more tha you her. That's great that you kept her pleasing you more, but you had no other women in your stable making you vulnerable to face the inevitable with her, which has left you in pieces as a result. Never have only 1 girl as a source of pussy--NEVER!

I know I am gonna sound like a square for asking this but I can't help it. So lets say I married this chick, I need to have a side kick just in case. I made a very grave error mixx. That I am sure of and I intend not to make the same mistake again. But I thought I loved her and she loved me back. I was wrong about that.

Post: #35

You made an error by choosing an unemployed, nothing to offer girl move in with you to begin with. This was a recipe for failure from day 1!

You can get sex, housekeeping etc from any girl, but moving in should only be in the cards if she makes or has 5x more $$$ than you and has no financial need or benefit.

Women give pussy to men who show they do not want it; men should consider women who are way better off than them for move-in "relationships"

For a guy that has a logo to please booty, you sure act beta!


Mixx

Post: #36

(06-11-2011 10:30 AM)Diablo Wrote:  She was unemployed and I don't think she made it that far academically.

Her ex before me was a 40+ year old guy that was married and had kids and he used to finance her.

now she is fucking 2 guys at the same time. Who knows if they know each other.

me dad ... had a feeling this would happen.

Again, she is young and has every right to break up. It is a bad sign that you were clueless about how she felt. The only bad thing she did was keep your old phone and speakers, no big deal.

She is an unemployed school dropout who gets (married) men to support her. There were good things about your relationship. But don't idealize everything, because you ignored longstanding flaws.

Post: #37

(06-11-2011 12:47 PM)MiXX Wrote:  You made an error by choosing an unemployed, nothing to offer girl move in with you to begin with. This was a recipe for failure from day 1!

You can get sex, housekeeping etc from any girl, but moving in should only be in the cards if she makes or has 5x more $$$ than you and has no financial need or benefit.

Women give pussy to men who show they do not want it; men should consider women who are way better off than them for move-in "relationships"

For a guy that has a logo to please booty, you sure act beta!


Mixx

Like I said in my previous post Mixx I admit to being a complete square. That's part of the reason why I am here to be more alpha. Hope to meet you one day. Perhaps I can buy you a pint

Post: #38

(06-11-2011 02:07 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

(06-11-2011 10:30 AM)Diablo Wrote:  She was unemployed and I don't think she made it that far academically.

Her ex before me was a 40+ year old guy that was married and had kids and he used to finance her.

now she is fucking 2 guys at the same time. Who knows if they know each other.

me dad ... had a feeling this would happen.

Again, she is young and has every right to break up. It is a bad sign that you were clueless about how she felt. The only bad thing she did was keep your old phone and speakers, no big deal.

She is an unemployed school dropout who gets (married) men to support her. There were good things about your relationship. But don't idealize everything, because you ignored longstanding flaws.

Kimleebj agree with all that you said except this sentence because she didn't just take speakers and a phone. She insulted me many times as well as my mother and other family members. I just didn't get into it because I couldn't be asked to type the entire thing. If it was a different time in a different place a guy would be justified to slap her. Not saying I would hit a woman or condone it but just imagine say in a latin country if a chick insulted someones mum or family member. She would likely get the pimp hand. Her ex used to slap her and she loved him more then she does me... how does that even work out?

Post: #39

Yeah, I think one of the biggest take away points here, especially applying to my mistakes is really paying attention to the red flags and warning signs, and not down play them or look the other way. With my psycho ex there were plenty of red flags that popped up along the way, but she always had her way of putting "her little spin" on things and manipulating reality, and while I should have been more diligent in critiquing these things, I was always the trusting, optomistic boyfriend and gave her the "benefit of the doubt."

I now know that while believing her and hoping for the best, really I should have realized that it was the worst that was most likely true, and not believed any of her complete BS. Lesson learned. In this day in age trust has to be EARNED, not given. I knew nothing of who the real girl I was dating was, just the facade that she created (as I mentioned she is a text book "border-line", and one of the characteristics is "mirroring" the person they are with), any ways I should have pieced together through all the little bits and pieces of stories, references, statements, beliefs, and behaviors, how fucked up she really was.

Like you Diablo, I was acting majorly beta, by over-valuing my ex-girl because of her looks and the sex I was getting. She was the 2nd hottest girl I ever laid and the hottest I ever dated, and the best fuck I ever had and maybe ever will have, anything went sexually (like you're fucking a pornstar, Katja Kassin, Belladonna, etc.) All that was great, but it wasn't worth getting an STD, getting played like a fool, cheated on, arrested, etc. Plus, I come to realize (which should be common sense to the avg. guy), that if a girl will do ass to mouth on the 3rd date, and start licking your ass, and shit like that, she's probably not the kinda girl you want to be "wife-ing up".

Now, I am seeing women, in basically two major catagories, girls that good for some casual, non-attached fucking, and girls that are good for LTR relationships. I am realizing that in the small town I live in, going out to the same bars, and seeing the same sluts every fucking week, that none of the bitches are good for anything more than a couple bangs. There are some decent, nice women left out there, but they are few and far between.

I always thought that Roosh was a bit too cynical and hard on women, especially American women, but through my fucked up experience, I can really understand, relate to, and appreciate Roosh's view/analysis. I don't know if it's mainly American culture, the modern world we live in today, or just the nature of women, but I'd say at least 75% of women in the U.S. aren't worth dating, unless you want to risk getting used, cheated on, disrespected, or just wronged in some way. When I pulled that stat out of my ass, I was also just thinking about women I am attracted to, but regardless it's really fucking high.

I think this is a good thread, hopefully there will be an abundance of young guys and newbies reading it and taking away lessons for those of us who were stupid, made mistakes, and had to figure shit out the hard way. Don't say, you've never been warned.

Post: #40

(06-11-2011 02:49 PM)Diablo Wrote:  She insulted me many times as well as my mother

Honestly, Diablo, I feel for you. But give her a break on this. You wouldn't feel much better no matter how she had broken up. Deep down, she probably feels bad in a number of ways and needs to "justify" her decision. It is a lot easier for her to say:

"You are cheap, your mother is fat, and there is no chance of reconcilation,"

than something more nuanced like:

"I didn't finish school or get a job, so I have been bored and frustrated. You have been very sweet and loyal to me. I have been taking you for granted and frankly find you a little too predictable and underachieving. I'm going to explore my options with new guys who seem rich, successful, and exciting."

Try not think like this guy:

Post: #41

(06-11-2011 06:12 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  

(06-11-2011 02:49 PM)Diablo Wrote:  She insulted me many times as well as my mother

Honestly, Diablo, I feel for you. But give her a break on this. You wouldn't feel much better no matter how she had broken up. Deep down, she probably feels bad in a number of ways and needs to "justify" her decision. It is a lot easier for her to say:

"You are cheap, your mother is fat, and there is no chance of reconcilation,"

than something more nuanced like:

"I didn't finish school or get a job, so I have been bored and frustrated. You have been very sweet and loyal to me. I have been taking you for granted and frankly find you a little too predictable and underachieving. I'm going to explore my options with new guys who seem rich, successful, and exciting."

Try not think like this guy:

Love the video, I laughed so hard I nearly cried. Thanks for the reply kimleebj

Post: #42

I think girls like this sour your feelings towards women in general.

Not all women are selfish, materialistic whores. But some are.

Post: #43

Props to MIXX for keeping this shit uber 110.

All these guys are there there-ing this dude, and it's dudes like the OP who put themselves in these positions with these dusty ass hoes and then are shocked when their hearts get broken.

This bitch wasn't that important or special, she didn't marry you, she didn't have your kids, you just laid up with her for a bit and she moved on when she got bored.

Go get some other pussy, and do the same.

Sometimes I glad I live in Miami, dealing with these fast ass women, you become an icebox, I'm incapable of "falling" for a girl, because thanks to these women and their bullshit, I can see behind the facade of pretty faces, fat asses, and juicy pussies.

Fuck these women, they aren't shit. The quicker you realize that, the quicker your perspective on this shit will be what its supposed to be, and not that of a some simp ass dude who thinks these chicks are all looking for "un Principe Azul" to save them from their own self-enforced misery.

Post: #44

(06-11-2011 06:22 PM)peterthephoenix Wrote:  I think girls like this sour your feelings towards women in general.

Not all women are selfish, materialistic whores. But some are.

I'll agree on not "all", but you should change that "some" to "most".

Most girls are all about themselves, because society told them they didn't need a man to take care of them.

Additionally, their mothers didn't spend any time teaching them how to be real women nor providing an example of how to love and cherish the man in their lives, but shit, those men -- their husbands -- probably didn't deserve that anyway. They let their wives play man of the house, and kissed their daughters' asses and treated them like princesses.

As a result, most girls are worth no more than a rearrangement of their insides before you send them back home to whatever dumbass is waiting for them.

Post: #45

(06-11-2011 02:49 PM)Diablo Wrote:  She insulted me many times as well as my mother and other family members. I just didn't get into it because I couldn't be asked to type the entire thing. If it was a different time in a different place a guy would be justified to slap her. Not saying I would hit a woman

Hitting is barbarian-like but keep in mind that girls get turned off when you let them make insults without standing up for yourself. Verbally defend yourself then take physical action. The physical action you take is making yourself unavailable. She needs to pay a price for disrespecting you or else she will lose even more respect for you.

(06-11-2011 10:30 AM)Diablo Wrote:  Its hard to find women like that anywhere on the globe. she just wasn't perfect enough for me.

That's just the heartbreak talking. In a few months when you are over her, it will be plain as day she was not perfect for you.

Post: #46

(06-11-2011 10:30 AM)Diablo Wrote:  The last paragraph of your post is so interesting. When I broke up with this girl I told me dad a week later. He lost trust in the girl after something happened but he never made it apparent how much he hated the girl until she left. Anyway we had a small discussion about women in general and he was telling me he had a feeling this would happen. I was puzzled, but then he eleborated. He said he though she was below my station and that I should date people in the same league bracket, not someone so far below me. I thought it was harsh at first but I get what he is saying. Basically one shouldn't get involved with someone of a lower standing as you because they have less in common with you then their own type.

A lot of guys are saying to never get invested. Maybe I'll be like that one day. But for now, I look out for quality, and am quick to assign a girl to the FWB-only bin. If you are nonjudgmental and ask the right questions, you can tell a lot about a woman. And I'm not talking about just promiscuity.

For instance, I recently had a date with a girl who's in a hard PhD program, and went to an elite college. So good so far. But in the course of a first date I could tell she was mercenary, opportunistic, manipulative even.

She told me she does a lot of programming for her program, so I told her she should get some geeky computer science nerds to do her work. She gleefully seriously considered it. A quality girl would say, "no, that's mean!" She also said how she broke up with a dude because she realized she was out of his league. There were some other indicators as well.

I guarantee you're never blindsided by crazy. There are always hints of it. Don't be blinded by hope, and let yourself see the signs.

Post: #47

(06-10-2011 12:44 PM)Samseau Wrote:  I'm pretty sure all women, deep down inside, are exactly like Diablo's girlfriend. Take the red pill, enjoy reality. All women would do what Diablo's girl did if given the chance. There is no such thing a "loyal" woman.

Quoted for truth. Men really need to have this drilled into their skulls from birth. Regardless of how long you have known a girl for she WILL cast you aside in an instant the second it is to her advantage to do so. I don't care how long you've known her, how much money and time you've pumped into the relationship, and even if she has your kids (there are plenty of divorcees who can attest to this). All it takes is something like her getting bored or getting pressured by her friends to do better and it's over. Never think the girl you are with is an exception simply because it is the girl you are with. Women are all hardwired in this way in the same way men are programmed to fuck everything that moves. Nature doesn't make exceptions. Take the red pill and avoid a life of heartache.

Roissy Maxim 23: The vagina tingle is the principle moral code to which women subscribe. All other moral considerations are secondary.

Post: #48

(06-10-2011 07:12 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  

(06-10-2011 04:51 AM)Diablo Wrote:  These men are buying my girlfriends friend things like blackberries, jewelry, money etc etc.

the money I spent on ... wasn't enough.

She left me and 2 weeks later she is fucking someone else. I nearly cried.

Go ahead and cry to release your pain. Then realize what happened. Maybe you once had a devoted girlfriend. Somehow she turned into a mercenary, materialistic person. She is not in love with you or the new guy.

Also, she didn't wait 2 weeks to meet another guy. She was fucking him while living with you. She planned to leave you for several weeks at least. She will probably leave the new guy too. Hopefully she will mature and learn to love somebody. Otherwise she risks being old and alone, with a bunch of Blackberries, jewelry, and old boyfriends who think she is a whore.

Don't idealize your relationship - there were longstanding problems. Perhaps she was young and can be forgiven. But something was not right with the relationship.

Agreed. Hate to say so, but she was fucking this guy (and maybe others) before she left. This is so common nowadays. There are a couple points to move forward with;

(1) There's little you can do. Do not alter your personality based off this encounter. Many on this site will suggest otherwise. I hope for the sake of the few decent people left in this world you do not. There's too many people behaving like assholes just because someone was an asshole to them. Sounds like you had a seemingly great girl who lost her fucking mind (welcome to America!) and you're left with the choice of how to react. There are many "almost"s along the way.

(2) Westernized culture is a fucked up place to find good companionship. Our values are simply not geared towards it anymore. Especially with women, because their attractiveness is no longer a means to find a suitable mate but rather a tool to re-use for end means. Many women are unwise to the affects of time and the reality that they are being used to their own detriment. Many are ok with this fact, and that's even worse.

(3) Advice wont make you feel better. You look to your friends, or maybe to this forum for an explanation that makes this easier. Don't. Encountering people who seem real that treat you shitty is supposed to suck, and it always does. It's your move now, and that will define your character.

Post: #49

diablo..you should join Iwforums...u are sufering with one-itis

Post: #50

Barely even read this long-ass shit.
A bunch of men moaning.
Get off the computer and go accomplish something.

I've been heartsick. It sucks.
But, Christ, stop writing a novel about it and go get some pussy!