Post: #1

I just found this article from Reason on a college rape expert. I truly wish mainstream sources would be a candid. The article in about 3 pages long. I'm posting the first page. I don't like to cut and paste articles in their entirety to avoid tl/dr.

http://reason.com/archives/2015/07/28/ca...k-problem/

Quote:David Lisak’s serial predator theory of campus rape has made him a celebrity. Once a virtually unknown associate professor at the University of Massachusetts-Boston, his work is now cited by White House officials and reporters for major newspapers.

His influence is evident in the recent documentary The Hunting Ground, and the producers continue to promote his work along with their film. In Jon Krakauer’s new book, Missoula, about sexual assault at the University of Montana, Lisak’s name appears more than 100 times.

Much of the urgency around the topic of sexual assault on college campuses traces back to Lisak’s repeated claim that campus offenders are violent sociopaths who use "sophisticated strategies to groom" their targets and "terrify and coerce their victims into submission." Lisak asserts that 90 percent of campus rapes are committed by serial offenders who average six rapes each. He has said that "every report should be viewed and treated as an opportunity to identify a serial rapist."

Yet for all the attention paid to David Lisak, the problematic paper on which his fame rests has been left largely unscrutinized. And as it turns out, the paper relies on survey data not collected by Lisak, with no direct connection to campus sexual assault.

"Repeat Rape and Multiple Offending Among Undetected Rapists" was published in 2002 in the journal Violence and Victims. Lisak has recently encouraged the impression that he conducted the research himself.

He did not. The paper was based on pooled data from four studies conducted by others on his campus between 1991 and 1998. I spoke with Lisak in March of this year. When I asked about those studies, he first said he was unable to remember their topics, then that they "may have been about child abuse history or relationships with parents." I asked whether they were about campus sexual assault; he conceded they were not.

Asked who the investigators of those previous studies were, he again said he was unable to recall but, when prompted, acknowledged his co-author, Paul Miller, as the lead investigator of two of them, conducted while Miller was a master’s and then doctoral student at the University of Massachusetts-Boston. I asked if the others were also Lisak’s doctoral students during that time. "Yes, probably," he said.

It is not unheard of for a researcher to repurpose data from other studies. It was, however, unusual to hear a researcher so vague about his subject matter and authorship.

The survey instrument used to collect the data on sexual assault was the Abuse Perpetration Inventory. This is a long, detailed, and graphic instrument created by Lisak. There are seven pages of items that ask about childhood experiences of a sexually and physically violent nature. There are only five questions that ask respondents about sexual violence they, as adults, may have committed on other adults.

There were 1,882 subjects in the pooled data, men ranging in age from 18 to 71. Assuming they reflected the demographics of the university, most would have been part-time students, many of whom would also be holding down jobs away from campus. All would have been commuters.

Among these men, 120 had engaged in actions that meet the legal definition of rape or attempted rape, based on responses to an anonymous survey they completed. (Subsequently, Lisak refers to them all as rapists, although he does not indicate how many he’d classified as rapists and how many as attempted rapists.) Of those 120 men, 76 met Lisak’s definition of multiple offenders.

Lisak told me that he subsequently interviewed most of them. That was a surprising claim, given the conditions of the survey and the fact that he was looking at the data produced long after his students had completed those dissertations; nor were there plausible circumstances under which a faculty member supervising a dissertation would interact directly with subjects. When I asked how he was able to speak with men participating in an anonymous survey for research he was not conducting, he ended the phone call.

Two points bear emphasis:

The basis of Lisak’s 13-year old paper was not his own research but data collected as part of one student’s master’s thesis and three dissertations, none of which were about campus sexual assault.
The most widely quoted figures—that 90 percent of campus rapes are committed by serial offenders and that they average six rapes each—were calculated on a total of 76 non-traditional students who were not living on a college campus, and whose offenses may or may not have happened on or near a college campus, may or may not have been perpetrated on other students, and may have happened at any time in the survey respondents' adult lives.

In March, when I pointed to the differences between the men in Lisak's paper and the student population on which his popular campus presentations focus, Lisak responded: "Are you asking if there are comprehensive studies about sexual offenders on traditional college campuses? No, there aren’t." Yet this is exactly how Lisak’s work has been treated.

Even the serial nature of the assaults reported in Lisak’s paper is speculation, since he did not distinguish between multiple offenses committed against multiple victims and multiple offenses committed against one victim. In fact, when asked about the high number of assaults by individuals who allegedly remained "undetected" by law enforcement, Lisak stated that "a number of these cases were domestic violence," i.e., ongoing abuse in intimate partnerships, including marriages.

This is an important revelation. Even a single rape is abhorrent. Even one woman, victimized multiple times, endures trauma. But campus training and government policy, citing Lisak, are being built around presumptions of serial, predatory behavior from most campus rapists, a fact not established in the data and potentially contradicted by Lisak’s own characterization of the men included in his paper.

Post: #2

LOL, interpreted title to mean 'a man who is an expert at raping on campuses'. I could actually believe there is such a man. Given that women on US campuses are all getting raped all the time, it's obviously quite a popular past-time, and no doubt some participants will want to improve the quality and quantity of their rape.

Post: #3

(07-29-2015 07:36 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  LOL, interpreted title to mean 'a man who is an expert at raping on campuses'. I could actually believe there is such a man. Given that women on US campuses are all getting raped all the time, it's obviously quite a popular past-time, and no doubt some participants will want to improve the quality and quantity of their rape.

Your post actually made me chuckle. Thanks.

Post: #4

"There were 1,882 subjects in the pooled data, men ranging in age from 18 to 71."

Wouldn't anyone stop to think that perhaps a study that included men as old as 71 (!!) might not be applicable to college students?'

"The most widely quoted figures—that 90 percent of campus rapes are committed by serial offenders and that they average six rapes each—were calculated on a total of 76 non-traditional students who were not living on a college campus, and whose offenses may or may not have happened on or near a college campus, may or may not have been perpetrated on other students, and may have happened at any time in the survey respondents' adult lives."

Hey, but other than this study not having anything to do with college, it had EVERYTHING to with college!

Only in the world of government would something like this pass muster and not be scrutinized. Good find on this article vinman -- I hope it goes viral.

Post: #5

(07-29-2015 08:06 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  Wouldn't anyone stop to think that perhaps a study that included men as old as 71 (!!) might not be applicable to college students?'

Yeah those guys definitely need a Rape Expert though. Rape prowess really drops off in the seniors.

Post: #6

(07-29-2015 07:36 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  LOL, interpreted title to mean 'a man who is an expert at raping on campuses'. I could actually believe there is such a man. Given that women on US campuses are all getting raped all the time, it's obviously quite a popular past-time, and no doubt some participants will want to improve the quality and quantity of their rape.

He's the hero UVA deserves
But not the one that it needs right now

Post: #7

classic academic

Also - Phoenix wrote:

Quote:Only in the world of government would something like this pass muster and not be scrutinized

No. In any lazy ass society that does not fact check, but prefer hype this will happen.
Heard of a guy who writes papers masquerade as academic work that got published in several magazines. True Story.

Post: #8

This is why all the "big" rape cases lately always seem to crumble under scrutiny or be based on outright lies. Truth be told most men in college have no desire to rape anyone, and that fact is not viral enough for the internet. Newsflash-most men want to love, respect and protect women that they are attracted to, write that on a mattress and carry that shit around and I bet you will not noticed.

Post: #9

I reckon the chances of this new revelation coming to light are as slim as a fat feminist dyke saying how she doesn't hate men.

Very few media outlets reported on the Rolling Stones bullshit and that was a big deal when it came out. The evidence contradicting the magazine was shuffled under the carpet and nothing was done. No compensation, no public apology, no arrests/cautions.

Business as usual. If it doesn't fit their narrative and cannot create hysteria then it will be surplus to requirements.

Post: #10

My advice, whenever you hear "rape" and "campus" in the same sentence, automatically know you're being lied to.

Post: #11

The "campus rape epidemic" in a nutshell::

Quote:If there is an epidemic of anything on campus, it’s a Binge Drinking epidemic, which leads to a Bad Sex epidemic, and that in turn has created a Maybe My Bad Drunk Sex Was Rape epidemic. It is ridiculous to expect teenage college kids to responsibly negotiate “affirmative consent” after they’ve been doing tequila shots all night.
[…]
Given the prevalence of the Bad Drunk Sex phenomenon on our college campuses, how are we to discern the difference between the roll-over-and-scream morning-after remorse reaction and actual incidents of sexual assault? In a he-said/she-said scenario, is there no room for skepticism? Must we cast aside all doubt and embrace policies that effectively void the due process rights of male students who are accused under such circumstances? Is it too much to expect female students to stay sober, keep their britches on and avoid the situations in which these incidents typically occur? We know that feminists don’t give a damn about facts, but must we allow these unscrupulous ideologues to destroy what little credibility still remains in the news media?

http://theothermccain.com/2015/08/04/fem...ournalism/