Post: #51

(07-17-2015 08:05 AM)trian1 Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 01:21 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  How does one get close enough to military facilities to kill people inside? From what I understand, he wasn't also a soldier or recruit that could be let inside. Did he climb the fence or something?

These were military recruitment offices in strip malls (Hence why all four branches had offices next to each other). By their very nature, they a set up no differently from an insurance salesman's office. They are designed to have people walk up and say, "Hey, I want to join."

However, unlike an insurance sales office in TN, they are designated "gun-free zones." So the military members trained to handle firearms who were there are prohibited by law to bring guns to the location or wear a sidearm...

The first one was a military recruitment office in a strip mall. But after shooting between 25 and 30 bullets there and not killing anyone, he hopped in his car and drove 7 miles to, what was being reported as, a military base. There he rammed his car through an unmanned gate, which just looked like a 6 foot tall chain link fence and started shooting people in the parking lot. That is where the 4 people were killed.

Post: #52

(07-17-2015 08:10 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 08:05 AM)trian1 Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 01:21 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  How does one get close enough to military facilities to kill people inside? From what I understand, he wasn't also a soldier or recruit that could be let inside. Did he climb the fence or something?

These were military recruitment offices in strip malls (Hence why all four branches had offices next to each other). By their very nature, they a set up no differently from an insurance salesman's office. They are designed to have people walk up and say, "Hey, I want to join."

However, unlike an insurance sales office in TN, they are designated "gun-free zones." So the military members trained to handle firearms who were there are prohibited by law to bring guns to the location or wear a sidearm...

The first one was a military recruitment office in a strip mall. But after shooting between 25 and 30 bullets there and not killing anyone, he hopped in his car and drove 7 miles to, what was being reported as, a military base. There he rammed his car through an unmanned gate, which just looked like a 6 foot tall chain link fence and started shooting people in the parking lot. That is where the 4 people were killed.

It is a Naval and Marine Reserve business office space adjacent to a popular park. It is not a fortified military base. This is the entrance:

Chattanooga Navy And Marine Reserve Centers

Post: #53

I am at a loss for words upon hearing that the staff of a military recruitment center is forbidden from being armed. Not caring to carry a firearm, sure, but forbidden? There are literally no people more qualified to handle guns and be trusted with them!

Post: #54

(07-17-2015 02:15 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 11:21 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Let me throw out a casual observation...those towns with brutal poor black neighborhoods don't seem to be hosts to massive immigration. Nashville and Chattanooga for example, I don't hear people in state talking about "how bad it is" yet people will tell you not to go to memphis or east knoxville unless you would like your car stolen.

[Quick facts] Nashville is 28% black, Chattanooga 35%. Both well above the national average. So I'm not so sure about this theory. Also, Detroit has the biggest concentration of Muslims in the USA.

My speculations seem to be way off base then.

Post: #55

Below - here's what Obama and his administration have said so far about the gunman being a Muslim radical and this crime perfectly fitting the narrative ( which has been repeated time and time ) of a radicalized muslim shooting up people at military installations or just shooting up people in the public in general.

In other words, here's what they've said about linking this incident with radical Islam ( or anything Moslem related, underlined for emphasis ) :



"_______________________________________"


end quote...

Post: #56

He showed stats for the city proper. When you consider that most people in the area don't live in the city proper, particularly the more affluent white population, the demographics shift.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattano...tical_Area

Go to "Demographics" area.

I am not sure if that affects your argument, but, it should be noted that there are a lot of bedroom communities around the town.

Post: #57

The MMA link isn't surprising. Terrorists or not, these are still men in their 20s who have a primal need to express their masculinity through violence (see Jack Donovan's The Way of Men). Most of us here engage at least in weight lifting and many also are into boxing and MMA.

Sooner or later though the media is going to start questioning whether engineering schools and MMA gyms are breeding grounds for terrorists since it is good click-bait.

Post: #58

(07-17-2015 11:13 AM)Blunt Wrote:  The MMA link isn't surprising. Terrorists or not, these are still men in their 20s who have a primal need to express their masculinity through violence (see Jack Donovan's The Way of Men). Most of us here engage at least in weight lifting and many also are into boxing and MMA.

Sooner or later though the media is going to start questioning whether engineering schools and MMA gyms are breeding grounds for terrorists since it is good click-bait.

Repressed rage is no joke. Repressed rage has similarities across the board whether it's a white boy shooting up a mall, or a church, or black on black violence, or ISIS foreign recruits, or suicide bombings in Yemen. It's all the same shit just a different toilet.

Post: #59

(07-17-2015 11:38 AM)DjembaDjemba Wrote:  

(07-17-2015 11:13 AM)Blunt Wrote:  The MMA link isn't surprising. Terrorists or not, these are still men in their 20s who have a primal need to express their masculinity through violence (see Jack Donovan's The Way of Men). Most of us here engage at least in weight lifting and many also are into boxing and MMA.

Sooner or later though the media is going to start questioning whether engineering schools and MMA gyms are breeding grounds for terrorists since it is good click-bait.

Repressed rage is no joke. Repressed rage has similarities across the board whether it's a white boy shooting up a mall, or a church, or black on black violence, or ISIS foreign recruits, or suicide bombings in Yemen. It's all the same shit just a different toilet.

Surprised to see you use the term "white boy" for the SC shooter, since I thought blacks are protesting white criminals getting "kid" treatment. But that's beside the point.

I don't disagree with your point about the similarities of repressed rage throughout the world but I don't think the term "repressed rage" applies to guys going to the MMA gym. Boxing and MMA are healthy ways of releasing "rage". Guys like Tsarnaev and this guy apparently had enough rage that MMA didn't quite cut it. And it looks like the SC shooter didn't have a release at all besides target practice.

Post: #60

(07-16-2015 10:59 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  Gunman identified as Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez in shooting of 4 Marines at military facilities in Chattanooga, Tenn.

Facts:

He was from Kuwait one of the richest and most privileged countries on the planet and clearly a radicalized Muslim

He was a recent college graduate in the USA and working in the USA as an Engineer - Sleeper Cell?

He was smart enough to attack US Marines in a soft target location identified as a Gun Free Zone where the active duty Marines would be unarmed and unable to defend themselves.

He was not on any FBI or other Federal Watch list - thanks to SJW hate America Firsters not wanting any radical Islamists to be profiled or or offended by advanced behavioral modelling big data resources to even see if they fit the profile of a potential Islamist Radical murderer.

Forcing US Military to work in a Gun Free Zone??? Does anyone even read our constitution?

UN Diplomats and their security can be armed in the USA but Active Duty Marines are forced to work in Gun Free Zones with NO means of self defense this is what an SJW paradise looks like totally FUBAR.

Forcing our military to walk around in Red High Heels and Dresses to learn gender sensitivity and work in Gun Free Zones - whats next tattooing targets on their Foreheads and Backs in Boot Camp so ISIS Sympaticos know who to shoot - Obama is laying off 40,000 US Army troops and thinning all the services so that there is more funds avaialable for Obamunists favorite Marxist Feminist LGBTQ SJW community organizing programs.

It is high time to elect a patriotic American as CiC and not a Manchurian candidate Marxist Socialist like Obama whose actions do not lie - the man is systematically weaking the USA as much as possible in his lame duck session so he can tap all of our enemies for BHO Library Donations and the Obama Universal Socialist Initiative foundation.

I took the oath to protect and defend the US Constitution and our Country it enshrines from all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC - is it really to much to ask for a President and CiC who feels them same in his own heart and just not mouthing perfunctory words of support of the Marines families he does not really believe?

WTF is happening to our country and why is the Mass Media in sympathy with our enemies that I have listed in one essay post and several other posts in the Trump topic?

Didn't Obama say terrorism is the result of lack of economic opportunities and education?

Quote:
Conservatives Are Blasting the Obama Administration for Saying Unemployment Causes Terrorism. They’re Kind of Right.

State Department spokesperson Marie Harf is taking some heat over comments made this week to MSNBC’s Chris Matthews about the need for soft power in the fight against terrorism


“We cannot kill our way out of this war,” she said. “We need in the medium to longer term to go after the root causes that lead people to join these groups, whether it’s a lack of opportunity for jobs….”






Matthews countered that this isn’t a viable strategy since “There’s always going to be poor Muslims, and as long as there are poor Muslims, the trumpet’s blowing and they’ll join,” to which Harf replied that “We can work with countries around the world to help improve their governance. We can help them build their economies so they can have job opportunities for these people.”


Coming just as the White House outlines a new set of nonmilitary plans to fight groups like ISIS, Harf’s comments were blasted by conservative critics as, in the words of Rush Limbaugh, a “left-wing syrupy embarrassingly sickening cliché.”


Harf is defending herself, noting that military commanders have said very similar things. Indeed, the idea that we must “fight against poverty because hope is an answer to terror,” was conventional wisdom even before George W. Bush said it. Barack Obama has been making this argument since he was a state senator.


Harf was not saying anything radical or even particularly unusual. But that doesn’t

necessarily mean she’s right. As the security analyst Erin Simpson wrote on Twitter today, “The idea that somewhere, somehow there is one ‘root cause’ for terrorism or violent extremism or civil wars is appealing. But it's a mirage.”


The idea of terrorists as desperate young men lacking in economic opportunity is not borne out by empirical evidence. A well-known 2002 paper by economists Alan Krueger (later an assistant secretary of the Treasury in the Obama administration) and Jitka Maleckova found that support for violence among Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza was not any higher among those with lower living standards or levels of education. In Lebanon, participation in Hezbollah was actually associated with higher living standards and levels of education. The same was true for Israeli settlers who participated in attacks against Palestinians.


A 2012 survey in Pakistan reached a similar conclusion: Poorer Pakistanis were less likely to support militants than the middle class. The political scientists conducting the study hypothesized that “the urban poor suffer most from militants’ violent activities and so most intensely dislike them.” A 2004 study by Harvard economist Alberto Abadie, looking at country level data, found that “terrorist risk is not significantly higher for poorer countries.” Abadie found political freedom to be a more important factor: Countries in the kinda-free range had more terrorism than highly democratic or highly autocratic countries.


Some have argued that there’s a more subtle relationship: Terrorists have relatively high socio-economic status but are more recruitable during economic downturns or times of high unemployment. That’s, admittedly, a tricky argument to cram into a Chris Matthews segment. And I’m not sure that’s what Harf was getting at anyway.

As I’ve written before, the idea of poverty as a driving factor in why someone becomes a terrorist is a persistent one because the U.S. public is extremely skeptical about foreign aid to help alleviate poverty abroad and this is a way to sell it as a security priority. Similarly, fears about attacks against the U.S. homeland have driven public support for the war against ISIS, even though the administration itself has said the risk of such an attack is low.


Harf is certainly right that simply killing terrorists won’t accomplish much if instability continues to spread in the Middle East. In some cases, it could make things worse. It’s encouraging that the administration is making the case that countering violent extremism is a more complicated process. Unfortunately, it’s even more complicated than what they’re describing to the cable news audience.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2...yment.html

Post: #61

Well Chop my cock off and call me Caitlyn, Ole Johnny Jihad kills 4 marines on our soil and he is considered a lone nut, but let some deranged white man shoot someone of a different ethnicity and every white person in the country is a racist and its all the Confederates flags fault. - Murica

Post: #62

Mikado... come forth my son, now is your time

Post: #63

(07-17-2015 04:30 PM)007 Wrote:  Mikado... come forth my son, now is your time

Post: #64

(07-16-2015 06:53 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 05:35 PM)Twister Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 02:44 PM)kaotic Wrote:  In before race thread starts

This reads exactly like a whiny Reddit comment, and not one a masculine man would make.

(07-16-2015 06:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  3 day ban for kaotic

0-rep member gets established member banned.

Troll game recognized.

Its really about your posts adding VALUE to the forum, when someone messes up and spouts some one-liner comment that is used to incite foolish behavior on the forums (racial arguments that go no where) He should be able to call that out, and he did just that. This does not make him a troll. We're all humans too and we mess up occasionally, as men we should be able to be called out for our mistakes and fix the problem, like real men do. If that constitutes as "trolling" then maybe you should reconsider your decision to read and post here, and consider frequenting the Naughty Nomad forum instead. Nobody ever "Trolls" there.

Post: #65

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33574888

Seem's he had illegal weapons and recently spent time in middle east.

Blog post's may shed some light on intent too.

Quote:"He did have at least two long guns, which would be considered rifles or shotguns. And he did have one handgun that we're aware of," FBI special agent Ed Reinhold told reporters on Friday.
He said "some of the weapons were purchased legally and some may not have been".
So far there is "no indication that he was directed or inspired by anyone other than himself," Mr Reinhold added, but said investigators were looking at possible links to jihadist groups overseas.

Quote:"We are looking at every possible avenue, whether it was terrorism - whether it was domestic, international - or whether it was a simple, criminal act," FBI special agent Ed Reinhold said.
A blog reportedly set up by Abdulazeez was found by the SITE Intelligence Group, a jihadist monitoring organisation, shortly after the attacks.
In a post from Monday, the writer says "this life is short and bitter" and that Muslims should not let "the opportunity to submit to allah... pass you by".

Hmmmm...

Post: #66

The Telegraph is a bit more direct.
Chattanooga Shooter sent a text message declaring war: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...um=twitter

Post: #67

(07-17-2015 05:19 PM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 06:53 PM)Killer Joe Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 05:35 PM)Twister Wrote:  

(07-16-2015 02:44 PM)kaotic Wrote:  In before race thread starts

This reads exactly like a whiny Reddit comment, and not one a masculine man would make.

(07-16-2015 06:39 PM)Roosh Wrote:  3 day ban for kaotic

0-rep member gets established member banned.

Troll game recognized.

Its really about your posts adding VALUE to the forum, when someone messes up and spouts some one-liner comment that is used to incite foolish behavior on the forums (racial arguments that go no where) He should be able to call that out, and he did just that. This does not make him a troll. We're all humans too and we mess up occasionally, as men we should be able to be called out for our mistakes and fix the problem, like real men do. If that constitutes as "trolling" then maybe you should reconsider your decision to read and post here, and consider frequenting the Naughty Nomad forum instead. Nobody ever "Trolls" there.

Just a little offhand joke given the turn of events.

You seem a little worked up over my post. Maybe you're the one who should go to that "Naughy Nomad" place?

Post: #68

(07-18-2015 07:05 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  The Telegraph is a bit more direct.
Chattanooga Shooter sent a text message declaring war: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...um=twitter

Most of the mainstream media just can't make the obvious connection yet again because it goes against their whole world paradigm of "everyone's the same, religions are equal, multiculturalism is wonderful etc." & they don't want to cause some sort of reprisal.

So they just keep their heads in the sand and keep on repeating the same old tired moral relativism bullshit.

Post: #69

(07-16-2015 03:35 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  So a kid kills 9 people in a charlestown church and its "WHITE man murders 9 BLACK people at church" but when a muslim goes off the rockers its "4 dead at Navy Center"

What a joke the media is.

Funny thing is, I guarantee you that the other side (left, liberals, SJWs, whatever) will say the exact opposite.

(i.e. "So a kid kills 9 people in a charlestown church and it's "9 dead in Church shooting" but when a guy kills 4 people at a Navy base it's "MUSLIM TERROR ATTACK kills 4 at Navy Centre. What a joke the media is.")

Now I'm not saying you're not more correct than they are, but I do think that there are instances where both perspectives are correct. Just food for thought really.

Post: #70

   

Post: #71

Family claiming the shooter had depression.

Partial quote below.

Quote:CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. (AP) - The family of the gunman who killed four Marines and a sailor in Chattanooga says he had suffered from depression for many years and "was not the son we knew and loved."

"It grieves us beyond belief to know that his pain found its expression in this heinous act of violence," the family of Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez said in a statement issued Saturday through a lawyer.

Law enforcement officials did not return calls seeking comment on the family's assertion that Abdulazeez was suffering from depression.

Counterterrorism investigators, meanwhile, continued to interview Abdulazeez's acquaintances and delve into his months-long visit to Jordan last year, looking for clues to who or what might have influenced him and set off the bloodshed Thursday.

The 24-year-old Kuwait-born Abdulazeez opened fire at a military recruiting office and a Navy-Marine operations center a few miles apart.

Family members said they are cooperating with the investigation.

"We understand there are many legitimate questions that need to be answered," they said. "Having said this, now is the time to reflect on the victims and their families, and we feel it would be inappropriate to say anything more other than that we are truly sorry for their loss."

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/2958...depression

Post: #72

(07-19-2015 09:11 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  Photo about white house not lowering flag

Probably because you'd have to lower them to half staff every time a soldier died fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan to be consistent. Which would mean it would have to be lowered over and over thousands of times. I'm guessing that's the logic.

Post: #73

(07-19-2015 02:12 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(07-19-2015 09:11 AM)YossariansRight Wrote:  Photo about white house not lowering flag

Probably because you'd have to lower them to half staff every time a soldier died fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan to be consistent. Which would mean it would have to be lowered over and over thousands of times. I'm guessing that's the logic.

I suppose. Or Obama doesn't want to call attention to another attack by his Muslim brethren on US soil.

Post: #74

I'm still in awe after time and time again the need for troops to be armed on and off post presents itself through tragedy.

Shootings at Fort Hood in 2009 and 2014 combined left 17 people dead.

Washington Naval Yard 2013, 13 people dead.

Chattanooga, TN 6 people dead.

Am I completely fucking retarded in seeing that statistics alone could have prevented this is anyone bothered to take a second look?

Post: #75

The governor's of 6 states are looking to have their National Guard members armed.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/chattan...ck-n394476

Full-time military personnel at National Guard facilities in six states could soon be armed after deadly shootings at two Tennessee military facilities raised questions about the vulnerability of the country's troops on home soil.

The governors of Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Texas, Florida and Indiana have authorized the arming of full-time National Guard members to deter attacks and allow them the ability to protect themselves and civilians in case they are targeted.

The orders made Friday and Saturday were in response to the deadly rampage in Chattanooga, in which Mohammad Youssuf Abdulazeez allegedly launched an attack against a storefront recruiting center and reserve station and killed four Marines. A Navy sailor injured in the attack died Saturday.