Post: #1

You know what I'm talking about.

Neurosis = hot in bed. Practically a law of feminine nature.

But why?

Like most men, I look for predictable, stable women when it comes to long term relationships.

But time and time again, I get hung up on the most insane, emotionally volatile chicks possible. Against my better judgement. Just like how women get turned on by the bad boy. Even though she knows he's bad news logically.

As men, we are the logical ones. Except when it comes to sex. Relationship? A chick can be loony toons, but if she's mind blowing in the sack, all bets are off.

Personally, I make the least logical choice possible, because my emotions override with "Irrational psycho? Yep, sign me up for that!".

So what exactly is the psychology at play here?

Post: #2

Subscribing to this post.

WIA

Post: #3

Because you're a masculine man and you're going to be attracted to the feminine women.

This book says it best:


Like the ocean, the native state of the feminine is to flow with great power and no single direction. The masculine builds canals, dams, and boats to unite with the power of the feminine ocean and go from point A to point B. But the feminine moves in many directions at once. The masculine chooses a single goal and moves in that direction. Like a ship cutting through a vast ocean, the masculine decides on a course and navigates the direction: the feminine energy itself is undirected but immense, like the wind and deep currents of the ocean, ever changing, beautiful, destructive, and the source of life.

This same principle applies to problems in intimacy. Any time you try to force your woman to be more like a ship than an ocean, you are negating her feminine energy. Any time you talk to her and expect her to analyze her mood and situation to the point of being able to fix it, you are talking "masculine" with her. She can do it, she might even be better at it than you, but it won't make her a happy woman.

A happy woman is a woman relaxed in her body and heart: powerful, unpredictable, deep, potentially wild and destructive, or calm and serene, but always full of life, surrendered to and moved by the great force of her oceanic heart. When you ask her to analyze her heart's emotions, it's like building walls around a part of the ocean and turning it into a swimming pool. It's safer and more predictable, but far less alive and enlivening. Most men have made their women into swimming pools by continually treating them like men, talking with them about their feelings as if they can be analyzed to the point of "fixing" them.

Don't waste your time doing this, but especially don't expect your woman to do it to herself. It would be like forcing you, a man, to read romance novels or watch love stories at the movies. Sure, you could do it. But it probably doesn't touch your core the way it touches hers. And, if she made you do it, over and over and over, you would begin to resent her. If she felt that the basic problem in your life is that you just don't watch enough soap opera on tv, you would think she was crazy.

Soap operas, romance novels, and love stories touch many women deeply because the feminine's priority is the flow of love in relationship. But the masculine priority is purpose and direction. By analyzing your purpose and re-aligning your direction, you can solve many of your emotional problems. But love is the feminine priority, not purpose and direction.

Women do not become free by analyzing themselves. They become free by surrendering into love. Not your love. Their love. They become free by surrendering to the immense flow of love that is native to their core and allowing their lives to be moved by this force in their heart. It may involve moments of analysis, but primarily it involves deep trust.

The best way you can serve your woman is by helping her to surrender, to trust the force of love, so that she can open her heart, be the love that she is, and give this love which naturally overflows from her happiness. This does not involve analyzing blocks to her loving. Analyzing blocks is a man's way. Men love to analyze blocks, on the football field, the chess board, in the stock market, and even in their intimate life. But it's important that you, as a man, don't project your way of doing things onto your woman.

Let her be the ocean. Encourage her to be as free as the ocean, as deep as the ocean, as wild as the ocean, and as powerful as the ocean. Be so full in your loving, so strong and stable in your presence, that she can just let go and surrender the limits she has put on her feelings. Let the emotions of her heart flow unguarded. Let her love be expressed with no limits. Let her go mad with love.

Post: #4

My take on this - they experience higher "highs" than non-crazy chicks.

When you're hitting those vaginal walls the right way, she's sent into a frenzy, one where she is compelled to take it to its limit, because she's in love with that "high" and wants it at any cost.

I'd hazard a guess and say that neurologically, maybe there is a difference between a crazy and a non-crazy (or should I say, less crazy) chick, whereby what they're feeling is informed by their senses in a stronger fashion, which is ruling their behaviour.

Post: #5

(07-15-2015 09:16 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  You know what I'm talking about.

Neurosis = hot in bed.

[...]

So what exactly is the psychology at play here?

Well, you've answered yourself that question in the first place.

But is it a good answer? I think that a conjecture neurosis = hot in bed is an oversimplification. Humans are too complex for claims like that.

If you can provide us with some good empirical data behind it, perhaps it will be possible to see some weak correlation. You seem to indicate there's a law-like regularity (I take your "=" to stand for a propositional logic "<->" biconditional statetment), such that neurosis <-> very high sex drive female) indicating that if a female is neurotic, then she's hot in bed and vice versa. Such a causal dependency, I reckon, is something that is outside the scope of neurocognitive science. Neurosis as such, is just a concept really and once you start to try to pin it down (like many other psychological concepts) you'll end up quickly in the woods.

To conclude - perhaps there is a grain of truth in it, perhaps not (circumstantial evidence doesn't count). We don't know. If you can get some empirical studies to dis/confirm it, we could have some reasonably scientifically informed discussion, other than that it's on the par with saying that Santa Claus is real.

Post: #6

(07-15-2015 10:47 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:16 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  You know what I'm talking about.

Neurosis = hot in bed.

[...]

So what exactly is the psychology at play here?

Well, you've answered yourself that question in the first place.

But is it a good answer? I think that a conjecture neurosis = hot in bed is an oversimplification. Humans are too complex for claims like that.

If you can provide us with some good empirical data behind it, perhaps it will be possible to see some weak correlation. You seem to indicate there's a law-like regularity (I take your "=" to stand for a propositional logic "<->" biconditional statetment), such that neurosis <-> very high sex drive female) indicating that if a female is neurotic, then she's hot in bed and vice versa. Such a causal dependency, I reckon, is something that is outside the scope of neurocognitive science. Neurosis as such, is just a concept really and once you start to try to pin it down (like many other psychological concepts) you'll end up quickly in the woods.

To conclude - perhaps there is a grain of truth in it, perhaps not (circumstantial evidence doesn't count). We don't know. If you can get some empirical studies to dis/confirm it, we could have some reasonably scientifically informed discussion, other than that it's on the par with saying that Santa Claus is real.

Come back after you've fucked a crazy bitch

Post: #7

(07-15-2015 10:47 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

(07-15-2015 09:16 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  You know what I'm talking about.

Neurosis = hot in bed.

[...]

So what exactly is the psychology at play here?

Well, you've answered yourself that question in the first place.

But is it a good answer? I think that a conjecture neurosis = hot in bed is an oversimplification. Humans are too complex for claims like that.

If you can provide us with some good empirical data behind it, perhaps it will be possible to see some weak correlation. You seem to indicate there's a law-like regularity (I take your "=" to stand for a propositional logic "<->" biconditional statetment), such that neurosis <-> very high sex drive female) indicating that if a female is neurotic, then she's hot in bed and vice versa. Such a causal dependency, I reckon, is something that is outside the scope of neurocognitive science. Neurosis as such, is just a concept really and once you start to try to pin it down (like many other psychological concepts) you'll end up quickly in the woods.

To conclude - perhaps there is a grain of truth in it, perhaps not (circumstantial evidence doesn't count). We don't know. If you can get some empirical studies to dis/confirm it, we could have some reasonably scientifically informed discussion, other than that it's on the par with saying that Santa Claus is real.

I banged a woman once who had Borderline Personality Disorder and she would do things in the sack gleefully that even porn stars would have done only through badly-acted gritted teeth. I came to the conclusion that this phenomenon had to do with getting their victims hooked early in much the same way that a dealer gives out free shots at the beginning to get new customers. In the case of women with personality disorders, they know that their true self is going to come through sooner or later, so it's a manipulative tactic to get you addicted before you have time to come to your senses.

DON'T PUT YOUR DICK IN CRAZY. Ever.

Post: #8

But they make terrible long term partners.

I had a crazy girl once. The sex was awesome but when it was finished I couldn't stop trying to figure out how to get away from her...

Post: #9

(07-15-2015 11:11 AM)Dagnasty Wrote:  But they make terrible long term partners.

I had a crazy girl once. The sex was awesome but when it was finished I couldn't stop trying to figure out how to get away from her...

Hence the need to lock you in early through mind-blowing sex.

Post: #10

(07-15-2015 10:47 AM)ksbms Wrote:  Well, you've answered yourself that question in the first place.

But is it a good answer? I think that a conjecture neurosis = hot in bed is an oversimplification. Humans are too complex for claims like that.

If you can provide us with some good empirical data behind it, perhaps it will be possible to see some weak correlation. You seem to indicate there's a law-like regularity (I take your "=" to stand for a propositional logic "<->" biconditional statetment), such that neurosis <-> very high sex drive female) indicating that if a female is neurotic, then she's hot in bed and vice versa. Such a causal dependency, I reckon, is something that is outside the scope of neurocognitive science. Neurosis as such, is just a concept really and once you start to try to pin it down (like many other psychological concepts) you'll end up quickly in the woods.

To conclude - perhaps there is a grain of truth in it, perhaps not (circumstantial evidence doesn't count). We don't know. If you can get some empirical studies to dis/confirm it, we could have some reasonably scientifically informed discussion, other than that it's on the par with saying that Santa Claus is real.

Post: #11

(07-15-2015 10:47 AM)ksbms Wrote:  I think that a conjecture neurosis = hot in bed is an oversimplification. Humans are too complex for claims like that.

Post: #12

Quote:DON'T PUT YOUR DICK IN CRAZY. Ever.

I actually had a therapist tell me this one time.

He said, "Linux, never put you dick in a woman crazier than you are."

Post: #13

Extend yourself instead of putting your hands up and saying that people are too complex.

You're probably wrong, but talking about the thing instead of giving up makes the thread better.

I wish more of you guys realized that. So much goes unsaid, so few data points are exchanged.

WIA

Post: #14

A lot of girls who have daddy issues or whatever you want to call it have a desperate need to be loved. They have a poor sense of self-worth and they mistake sex for love, so they make huge efforts to please you and get your validation. They are eager to please and you'll have mind blowing sex with them.

But deep down she carries a sense of self-loathing and a vacuum that she's desperate to fill. She won't feel deserving of love, while craving love more than anything. She'll resent you for loving her because deep down she resents herself.

The deep-seated sense of worthlessness she carries means that she'll never be truly happy. She will look for validation from other men, social media, and she's more likely to cheat.

All this may go along with borderline traits. The girl will try to ensnare you in her web of self-loathing. When she feels terrible about herself, she'll find ways to make you feel bad about yourself. If you're not tuned into it you won't know what hit you. It's her tone of voice, her body language, things that you won't consciously pick up on. You'll just feel something's wrong. These girls are masters of pulling you into their emotional states.

But fuck the sex is incredible.

Most relationship material girls you meet after will have you hankering for the depravity and utter submission of these crazies.

Post: #15

(07-15-2015 12:16 PM)Caligula Wrote:  She won't feel deserving of love, while craving love more than anything. She'll resent you for loving her because deep down she resents herself.

There's a lot of truth to that statement. It's sort of like the old Groucho Marx quote "I refuse to join any club that have me as a member"

Post: #16

(07-15-2015 12:16 PM)Caligula Wrote:  A lot of girls who have daddy issues or whatever you want to call it have a desperate need to be loved. They have a poor sense of self-worth and they mistake sex for love, so they make huge efforts to please you and get your validation. They are eager to please and you'll have mind blowing sex with them.

But deep down she carries a sense of self-loathing and a vacuum that she's desperate to fill. She won't feel deserving of love, while craving love more than anything. She'll resent you for loving her because deep down she resents herself.

The deep-seated sense of worthlessness she carries means that she'll never be truly happy. She will look for validation from other men, social media, and she's more likely to cheat.

All this may go along with borderline traits. The girl will try to ensnare you in her web of self-loathing. When she feels terrible about herself, she'll find ways to make you feel bad about yourself. If you're not tuned into it you won't know what hit you. It's her tone of voice, her body language, things that you won't consciously pick up on. You'll just feel something's wrong. These girls are masters of pulling you into their emotional states.

But fuck the sex is incredible.

Most relationship material girls you meet after will have you hankering for the depravity and utter submission of these crazies.

I believe this is spot on.

Looking back the most depraved sex I've had in my life has been with chicks who were damaged in some way.

I remember one girl in particular, years ago, who turned out to have been molested by a relative when she was a kid. Of course I didn't know that in the beginning. When I met her she was 24 and a solid 7. Very shortly after I started banging her I realized she was spun and I could not date her socially so she became exclusively a bootie call. No matter what time I'd call she'd come over and she she'd do ANYTHING I wanted.
The more I pushed her away the more she was willing to do for me. On three separate occasions she randomly showed up with another chick she'd picked up at a bar and brought over for a 3 way. Eventually I had to tell her that I just wasn't into it anymore and wouldn't fuck her or even touch her pussy. She said "That's ok then I'll just blow you" For a short while after I'd call her over, I'd face fuck her, blow a load, get a massage from her, another blow job then she'd leave. It seemed great at first but I slowly realized she was starting to get into stalker mode so I had to cut her off completely. She still showed up to my door a few times uninvited. Fortunately I sold my place (not because of her) and moved a few streets over and never saw her again.

Post: #17

So actually, what some of you are trying to say is "Get some of these bat shit crazy's in your rotation for when you feel like hate-fucking."?

Post: #18

(07-15-2015 12:16 PM)Caligula Wrote:  A lot of girls who have daddy issues or whatever you want to call it have a desperate need to be loved. They have a poor sense of self-worth and they mistake sex for love, so they make huge efforts to please you and get your validation. They are eager to please and you'll have mind blowing sex with them.

But deep down she carries a sense of self-loathing and a vacuum that she's desperate to fill. She won't feel deserving of love, while craving love more than anything. She'll resent you for loving her because deep down she resents herself.

The deep-seated sense of worthlessness she carries means that she'll never be truly happy. She will look for validation from other men, social media, and she's more likely to cheat.

All this may go along with borderline traits. The girl will try to ensnare you in her web of self-loathing. When she feels terrible about herself, she'll find ways to make you feel bad about yourself. If you're not tuned into it you won't know what hit you. It's her tone of voice, her body language, things that you won't consciously pick up on. You'll just feel something's wrong. These girls are masters of pulling you into their emotional states.

But fuck the sex is incredible.

Most relationship material girls you meet after will have you hankering for the depravity and utter submission of these crazies.

Post: #19

My first thought is just the fact that crazy chicks usually get really into the sex. I mean a crazy girl riding my dick is pretty intense.

My second thought is that they are all crazy.

My third thought is about that one saying involving pizza and pussy.

All that being said, nobody wishes for a chick that is afraid to offend you in bed. She won't do things that are out of her comfort zone as easily.

But that's just my .02

Post: #20

A former friend of mine married a crazy chick years ago. She was bat-shit insane with all kinds of issues and ended up drinking herself to death. I asked him why one day when she was still alive and he told me she might be nuts but the sex was unbelievable.
The same guy later found another crazy chick. This resulted in him getting killed by her in a murder/suicide that still has me shaking my head.
Lesson learned: Avoid the crazy because it might just kill you.

Post: #21

Quote:Avoid the crazy because it might just kill you.

Walking the fine line in between the two is an art in itself. I targeted-toyed with it for many years.

Post: #22

(07-15-2015 12:09 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Extend yourself instead of putting your hands up and saying that people are too complex.

You're probably wrong, but talking about the thing instead of giving up makes the thread better.

I wish more of you guys realized that. So much goes unsaid, so few data points are exchanged.

WIA

Agree. People are mostly driven by their desire to survive and desire to mate. Most of our behavior relates back to those 2 things. I don't know the exact answer to OP's question but this is a start. Whatever causes a girl to be crazy seems to also cause her to go about mating in a crazier way.

Post: #23

(07-15-2015 09:16 AM)Courage Reborn Wrote:  But time and time again, I get hung up on the most insane, emotionally volatile chicks possible. Against my better judgement. Just like how women get turned on by the bad boy. Even though she knows he's bad news logically.

If going for crazy chicks is the male equivalent of "going for the bad boy," I'm a vacant-eyed carousel rider who's been in dozens of gangbangs at rodeos and who gets pushed to the A-List line on the flights to Dubai.



Absolutely nothing fuels my boner more than a crazy chick. And I mean it in the unhealthiest of twisted ways. I've gotten to the point I can sniff out crazy in the subtlest and tiniest of signals. Just like a World Series of Poker champion knows you have a shitty hand if one of your sweat glands so much as quivers, I know a bitch is my-kind-of-crazy just from the way she glances down for a fraction of a second, from the idiosyncrasies of her word-choice patterns, even from the penmanship on her shopping list. This is some next-level, horse-whisperer, Beautiful Mind shit.



I'm sure this is some sort of escalating, drug-like addiction--where I've gradually moved from candy cigarettes to Meth--but I now find myself actively seeking out odder and crazier bitches. The other day, some chick stole an undisclosed large object from a bar I took her to. She just walked out with it, and it was large enough to see from a block away. I didn't even flinch. In fact, I thought it endearing that she, later, gave it to me--telling me it "look[ed] nice" in my apartment. Avoiding them once upon a time, I now blast through red flags like a bull at Pamplona.

A sampling of the crazy bitches I've banged, even "dated":

• Was institutionalized when she had a breakdown because I didn't call her back soon enough (Just try to conceptualize the hall-of-fame dicking I must lay down for bitches to develop that level of anguish.)
  
  
• Heard voices in head, and had the audacity to get mad at me when I once callously fell asleep during one of her episodes, instead of trying to help her quiet them (i.e., I was so unfazed by her psychotic episode, I was able to sleep like a baby through it. It might have even rocked me to sleep.)
  
  
• Was so emotionally numb she had a blank stare during sex, and would talk about pedestrian topics. The last time we banged, she was asking me career advice while I was pounding. I gave her the advice, and it had zero effect on my boner. If anything, the emotional disconnect firmed it up a little bit.
  
  
• Brazenly stole from me on the first date (a pack of gum) and then had the temerity to offer me a stick of my own gum later that night (not in a joking way).
  

There are more stories like this, and that doesn't even count all of the categories that include multiple bitches (there's, of course, overlap too):

• Bitches who got off with choking and hard slapping (which is nothing these days)
• Bitches with legit eating disorders (contrary to popular belief, that ROK article wasn't "trolling," it was just true)
• Bitches who cried for no reason, out of the blue, and then were happy 5 minutes later
• Bitches who were from prominently, even famously, religious families and were engaging in risky, raw-dog sex with me and taking Plan B the next day
• Bitches with a blank, 90% emotionless affect (one of my personal favorites)
  

A few days ago, I banged this odd chick on the first date. She had this weird quirk where she seemed like a total bitch for one minute, and then got nice for 20 minutes, only to seem like a mean bitch for another minute. It was like a cycle. She had a nice thigh gap, so I was went for the bang.

After the sex, she got up to go to the bathroom, to (hopefully) clean off her pussy. On the way there, she ran into my kitchen knives--these terrifying metallic monsters I regularly sharpen myself on whetstones. She grabbed them and started joking about stabbing me, taking an aggressive stance that, to be honest, didn't seem 100% normal goofing around.



Chick: "What if I grabbed these and attacked you. You'd be trapped."

Tuthmosis:



Tuthmosis: "Before you could even get over here, I will have beaten you down with that chair [a little chair right near my bed]. Now put those down before you dull them."

I'll probably bang her again.

There's some saying that if you stare at the monster in the face long enough, you become the monster. I'm sure I didn't start off like this. But habitually banging these damaged American broads has given me certain appetites I'm now obligated to feed. Sooner or later all this shit is gonna catch up to me (or I'll move to country with some actual nice girls), but in the meantime:

Post: #24

Here's a slightly different, or at least additional, and disturbing theory.

I've often heard it said that if you always end up with crazy women or especially if you have long-term relationships with crazy women, chances are she isn't the only one with major issues.

You're drawn to these women for a reason (you meaning me lol) and you have a particularly strong chemistry with these women for a reason. The dysfunction is mutual.

Who are you going to have the best sex with?

Women you have the strongest chemistry with...

Ain't life a bitch?

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #25

(07-16-2015 04:34 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Women you have the strongest chemistry with...

Ain't life a bitch?

Good catch BB. Chemistry is very real and undeniable, but where does it come from? Is the ease of being together in the early stages a good sign or sign to proceed with caution? Is chemistry in the earliest stages a ploy, a contrived conscious/sub-conscious act to snare us in, designed by nature? Are there traits you can pick up on?

Women that text too much could be one. Shes texting you everyday between dates, you have to sort of play along. You've seen her a few times with no bang and shes bringing up how much of a player you are. Shes calling in the middle of the night incoherently blabbering about her menstrual cycle, but shes really just drunk. In one of these right now.