Post: #26

(07-13-2015 04:33 PM)Silver_Tube Wrote:  I think a lot of young people aren't game aware because they often don't really need it. Your schooling comes with a social circle with the best ratios you are likely to ever have, you aren't a total stranger to most of the girls you will meet until you are out of college. People in general don't expect much out of you except to be decent looking and ambitious, nobody really cares what your position is and you can change your status as you like without years of commitment. Assuming one doesn't get horribly out of shape, the whole self-improvement quest doesn't start becoming necessary until you are out on your own. You should milk the shit out of that while you can, don't lock yourself into an LTR through college like I did.

That's very true. In younger girls (until about 24 I'd say), so-called "clown game" is all you need for clubbing, and some decent clothes and social skills are all you need for meeting women during the day.

I would still recommend the whole self-improvement quest to kids who aren't out on their own yet, it's a habit that's easier to form and get comfortable with the motions of while you're young.

Schooling though? I'm not THAT young lol. I haven't been in school for years.

Post: #27

(07-13-2015 03:32 PM)Sweeterman Wrote:  You are getting very condescending very quickly.

   

Post: #28

(07-13-2015 04:13 PM)Sweeterman Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 04:05 PM)Menace Wrote:  Why do you believe that game ability scales linearly (or generally increases) with age? Most men are blind in this respect, whether they have money, age, or whatever. I don't think there is anything particularly amazing about a young guy being good at game, or being better than men that are older than him.

The real question to ask yourself is why do you care what people, who you consider losers, think? ("The thing that irks me in day to day life is that people consistently blow off my opinions and lessons just because of my age"). Also, you assume it's because of your age, but maybe they don't like how you state your opinions. Maybe they think you're an asshole, or annoying, or whatever.

Thank you for the reasonable response.

I don't consider people losers. The inference to these people being losers was made by someone else who replied earlier, I said he makes a valid point but his point being valid doesn't make it my own.

I can assure you, social experiments upon social experiments have proven that when someone believes themselves to be more experienced (better) than another person, they will instantly put less weight on what that person has to say. The back and forth I was having with Beyond Borders became negative so quickly because after hearing that I am young, he no longer felt the need to counter my points but felt it sufficient to simply insult me.

If I had made an argument for the younger generation without expressly stating that I am part of it, we could have had a decent debate. But due to the pretense of me being youthfully arrogant or bullheaded or such, my opinions were blown out of the water before they were given any consideration at all. Such is the way of the world, and again, what happened here is [b]directly related to my original post.[/b]

Oh God, a Little Dark comparison... Shoulda seen it coming

The irony throughout this thread is so thick you could cut it with a butterknife.

My treatment has zero to do with your age and everything to do with your naivete, arrogance, and (I'm beginning to see) lack of social intelligence.

That you were arrogant or bullheaded was clearly expressed through your writing and behavior in this thread, and I don't need your age to see it. Just look at the title of the thread - can you honestly not see how that might be a distasteful way to introduce yourself to this particular forum? This attitude is what I was calling you out on, not your actual number of years you've been on this Earth.

Your age just so happens to be the topic of this thread because you chose to make it so, even though you've clearly had issues with the topic in the past. Not a very wise decision, as I tried to point out, but that's neither here nor there.

My point is that I would have thought you had issues whether you mentioned your age or not. Your post was asking for trouble. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and played along with you using age as a scapegoat, but I'm now beginning to see that may not be real problem here at all.

For instance, virtually every reply by someone on this thread carried a subtext, often several, you seemed to miss completely, and at the same time you laced your own posts with subtexts gauranteed to incite further hostility and then acted surprised when they brought just that. This is the behavior of someone not wise in the ways of the world for whatever reason.

For further example, my point with my initial post was to suggest that your introduction to the forum was naive and arrogant in itself and was going to incite the very drama that you are now seeing unfold in this thread and eventually lead to you being banned. I actually didn't want to see that happen, believe it or not, and was trying to give a heads up. Snarkily - yes - but had you taken my advice to observe the forum and get to know the culture, you would see that is how we do it here.

Rather than understand that, you assumed you knew better and chose to only see yet another example of someone not taking you seriously because of your age, when I was simply not taking you seriously because of your post. And this even though I was trying to offer advice you very much needed.

Your response then reeked and dripped of the very same arrogance I'd tried to save you from in the beginning. To use your own turn of phrase, "Have a think my friend."

Yes, yes, welcome to our community my friend.

Your lack of awareness and self-awareness in this thread may be due to age, but may also be due to a personality defect. Either way it is very apparent and a likely cause of the problems you've been having off and on this forum, and either way, you've much to learn that you will have a hard time learning in a book.

I do understand recognizing the idea that you may in fact be the cause of your own problems is extremely difficult. (Prior subtext clue: as taught in great length in both those books I mentioned that you brushed off because you've apparently "read" them - suggesting you read much but learned little). So I do sympathize.

But if you can't find a way to entertain the thought I'm afraid you've got a rough road ahead of you, not so much here as regarding to life in general.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #29

My game up until about 25 consisted of having drugs and dressing in loud outfits. I was a bit of an idealistic raver type. I had a tough time meeting new girls but the ones I had would cling really hard. I grew up, had my fill of drugs, EDM went commercial, nightclubs became less willing to admit me, I moved to a new job in DC, it was awful. The feelgood peace and love philosophy was not doing me any favors. It is hard not to cringe when I look back at it.

I Don't know why it turned out that way, Dad is the typical Chad Thundercock, he was the quarterback and Mom was the head cheerleader. I wish they would have stopped my foolishness, though to be fair I probably wouldn't have listened. My younger siblings seem born with natural game instinct while I have a tendency to over analyze. I'm glad people are getting into this younger than I did, some folks go their whole lives without ever needing anything more detailed than "stop being such a pussy."

Post: #30

(07-13-2015 04:40 PM)LINUX Wrote:  I'll give you a shot.

Tell us something original about game that you've learned that we don't already know.

Ok. Coming from an island country, I got to fly to London & Paris recently and see how foreign city game works from an outside, unbiased perspective.

There is a system in place (across most of Europe's capitals I'm told, though I've only seen these two cities) that encourages interpersonal separation, but the separation is so strong that it actually becomes a connectedness in and of itself (I call it part-time love). Everyone is connected through NOT being attached rather than being attached, which creates a lot of unique opportunities, not just for game, but since that's the topic that is what I'll elaborate on.

Because nobody pays any attention to what other people are doing in such densely populated areas, you are more free to express yourself without judgment, whether that judgment is from yourself or from someone on the outside. There is a freedom in knowing that you're just a passing figure in the eyes of others, and this affects the women as much as it affects the men.

Women who, in smaller places, would never go past 3 drinks (far less do things like smoke weed, bump a line, pop a molly etc.) due to their fear of being observed acting stupid and having their reputation tarnished, will mirror the no fucks given city mentality when confronted with these things in a situation where they know they will not be judged outside of their own circle.

The social circles that women form in big cities tend to be more tight knit and tight lipped, yet at the same time more welcoming of new people. This is because if the circle decides they don't want anything to do with you, there's a very strong chance they'll never see you again without having to avoid you in any way.

In smaller places, these groups have a natural defense mechanism of just blowing people off instead of potentially making enemies whom they will have to avoid on a regular basis.

In London, you are instantly judged by your choice of clothes. In Paris, you are instantly judged by your body language and demeanor. Just this fact highlights a lot of the underlying mentality. London has women who tend to be easier to get, because the superficiality/consumerism culture is more widespread. I would go as far as to consider England a near-disgrace to European culture on a whole. It feels more like a prim and proper America than a European nation.

Formlessness is the key to avoiding monotony when gaming women. If you have a strategy and location which work for you a good portion of the time, eventually you will get bored of both. You should step out of your zone willingly and look for women from different walks of life, and approach them as if you are from that same walk. Rather than pretending to be in someone else's shoes, try actually putting them on. Everyone has a certain type of game which is most effective for them, but true understanding of these game types isn't realised until you have a bit of experience in any role you may find yourself in.

When you are open to new experiences and willing to learn all you can from them, they will follow you wherever you go. Train your body to act without thought and your mind will eventually follow. You can master the mind but the body is our vessel for interacting with the physical world, and must be conditioned first.

Post: #31

(07-13-2015 05:14 PM)Silver_Tube Wrote:  My game up until about 25 consisted of having drugs and dressing in loud outfits. I was a bit of an idealistic raver type. I had a tough time meeting new girls but the ones I had would cling really hard. I grew up, had my fill of drugs, EDM went commercial, nightclubs became less willing to admit me, I moved to a new job in DC, it was awful. The feelgood peace and love philosophy was not doing me any favors. It is hard not to cringe when I look back at it.

I Don't know why it turned out that way, Dad is the typical Chad Thundercock, he was the quarterback and Mom was the head cheerleader. I wish they would have stopped my foolishness, though to be fair I probably wouldn't have listened. My younger siblings seem born with natural game instinct while I have a tendency to over analyze. I'm glad people are getting into this younger than I did, some folks go their whole lives without ever needing anything more detailed than "stop being such a pussy."

I feel that. I was absolutely not one of the people who just needed the "stop being such a pussy". It took me long years of rejection and dejection before I finally started to make sense of things.

Of course, I'd have to give credit in part to the people I had around me, one friend in particular was the definition of a natural ladies man. If it wasn't for observing and internalizing a lot of the theory I was learning through watching him act, I doubt I'd have reached half of where I am now.

Even now I can see a lot of people on the peace and love philosophy. It's a good framework to mold certain aspects of your personality around, but the lifestyle that accompanies it is not one to unquestionably live by. Rave culture seems to be at an all time high.

Post: #32

Sweeterman, perhaps you're smarter than most fellows you encounter in your day to day life, whether they be your age or twice that. I could believe.

But you just found the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen ™. You're not special here. Your post title reeks of the insecurity and your pedantic replies that miss the point of the forum response further belie it.

Any interesting questions you pose are overshadowed by your arrogant and gauche manner of speaking. You're like a bull dog in a china shop.

Go get laid. Smoke a bowl. Drink a beer. Count the days until your balls drop. Do something. Anything. And take a small break before posting again. Reread the posts here and try to see what people are actually trying to say.

Or don't. Keep posting this way and get banned.

G

Post: #33

(07-13-2015 05:32 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  Sweeterman, perhaps you're smarter than most fellows you encounter in your day to day life, whether they be your age or twice that. I could believe.

But you just found the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen ™. You're not special here. Your post title reeks of the insecurity and your pedantic replies that miss the point of the forum response further belie it.

Any interesting questions you pose are overshadowed by your arrogant and gauche manner of speaking. You're like a bull dog in a china shop.

Go get laid. Smoke a bowl. Drink a beer. Count the days until your balls drop. Do something. Anything. And take a small break before posting again. Reread the posts here and try to see what people are actually trying to say.

Or don't. Keep posting this way and get banned.

G

I write for a magazine. Forgive the gauche and attention-whorey mannerisms that have been pounded into my brain and try to get the gist of my questions lol.

Post: #34

Many young and intelligent guys go through this phase. I did when I was 22. Unfortunately, I thought so highly of myself that I stayed there for another 10 years.

Be humble. Go out and meet some highly intelligent and successful people. You'll soon realize you're not so special or quite as intelligent as you once thought.

Post: #35

(07-13-2015 05:36 PM)Sweeterman Wrote:  I write for a magazine. Forgive the gauche and attention-whorey mannerisms that have been pounded into my brain and try to get the gist of my questions lol.

Not to attack you further as you seem to be at least trying to be humble here, if it's genuine.

But from one professional writer to another, it's not your reader's job to get right to the jist of what you're saying and not be annoyed.

It's the writer's job to do all that for them.

And that's actually a pretty all-encompassing insight that can be applied to many facets of human interaction if you really think about it (which is why I mention it, of course). Possibly worth consideration.

Anyhow, way past my bedtime. I better excuse myself.

Beyond All Seas

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe.
To be your own man is a hard business. If you try it, you'll be lonely often, and sometimes
frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." - Kipling

Post: #36

(07-13-2015 05:47 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 05:36 PM)Sweeterman Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 05:32 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  Sweeterman, perhaps you're smarter than most fellows you encounter in your day to day life, whether they be your age or twice that. I could believe.

But you just found the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen ™. You're not special here. Your post title reeks of the insecurity and your pedantic replies that miss the point of the forum response further belie it.

Any interesting questions you pose are overshadowed by your arrogant and gauche manner of speaking. You're like a bull dog in a china shop.

Go get laid. Smoke a bowl. Drink a beer. Count the days until your balls drop. Do something. Anything. And take a small break before posting again. Reread the posts here and try to see what people are actually trying to say.

Or don't. Keep posting this way and get banned.

G

I write for a magazine. Forgive the gauche and attention-whorey mannerisms that have been pounded into my brain and try to get the gist of my questions lol.

Not to attack you further as you seem to be at least trying to be humble here, if it's genuine.

But from one professional writer to another, it's not your reader's job to get right to the jist of what you're saying and not be annoyed.

That's the writer's job.

And that's actually a pretty all-encompassing insight that can be applied to many facets of human interaction if you really think about it. Possibly worth the consideration.

Anyhow, way past my bedtime. I better excuse myself.

The type of writing I do for the purposes I do it for are generally designed around being controversial. I can see how I would come off as arrogant simply through the way I've been conditioned to type in the last few years, sorry for the bad first impression lol! I'd be lying if I said I don't welcome input from others, be it positive or negative as long as it's constructive, which you haven't failed to be yet. So guidance to you sir, I'll be seeing you around the forums

Post: #37

(07-13-2015 05:22 PM)Sweeterman Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 04:40 PM)LINUX Wrote:  I'll give you a shot.

Tell us something original about game that you've learned that we don't already know.

Ok. Coming from an island country, I got to fly to London & Paris recently and see how foreign city game works from an outside, unbiased perspective.

There is a system in place (across most of Europe's capitals I'm told, though I've only seen these two cities) that encourages interpersonal separation, but the separation is so strong that it actually becomes a connectedness in and of itself (I call it part-time love). Everyone is connected through NOT being attached rather than being attached, which creates a lot of unique opportunities, not just for game, but since that's the topic that is what I'll elaborate on.

Because nobody pays any attention to what other people are doing in such densely populated areas, you are more free to express yourself without judgment, whether that judgment is from yourself or from someone on the outside. There is a freedom in knowing that you're just a passing figure in the eyes of others, and this affects the women as much as it affects the men.

Women who, in smaller places, would never go past 3 drinks (far less do things like smoke weed, bump a line, pop a molly etc.) due to their fear of being observed acting stupid and having their reputation tarnished, will mirror the no fucks given city mentality when confronted with these things in a situation where they know they will not be judged outside of their own circle.

The social circles that women form in big cities tend to be more tight knit and tight lipped, yet at the same time more welcoming of new people. This is because if the circle decides they don't want anything to do with you, there's a very strong chance they'll never see you again without having to avoid you in any way.

In smaller places, these groups have a natural defense mechanism of just blowing people off instead of potentially making enemies whom they will have to avoid on a regular basis.

In London, you are instantly judged by your choice of clothes. In Paris, you are instantly judged by your body language and demeanor. Just this fact highlights a lot of the underlying mentality. London has women who tend to be easier to get, because the superficiality/consumerism culture is more widespread. I would go as far as to consider England a near-disgrace to European culture on a whole. It feels more like a prim and proper America than a European nation.

Formlessness is the key to avoiding monotony when gaming women. If you have a strategy and location which work for you a good portion of the time, eventually you will get bored of both. You should step out of your zone willingly and look for women from different walks of life, and approach them as if you are from that same walk. Rather than pretending to be in someone else's shoes, try actually putting them on. Everyone has a certain type of game which is most effective for them, but true understanding of these game types isn't realised until you have a bit of experience in any role you may find yourself in.

When you are open to new experiences and willing to learn all you can from them, they will follow you wherever you go. Train your body to act without thought and your mind will eventually follow. You can master the mind but the body is our vessel for interacting with the physical world, and must be conditioned first.

I don't know if this guy is for real, but this seems to be an interesting post.

Post: #38

OP, you have some... interesting... concerns.

Last time I had a meet-up with a a 24 year-old member, he said, "Damn, you're a fuckin' baby." after he found out I couldn't buy a drink legally. Yet, I don't let my age dictate my demeanor. I just stay humble and learn and experiment. I look at the "40+ Thread" and use it to keep myself ambitious, because I want to be able to proudly post there after over two decades of work.

What answer were you hoping for?

"You will be taken seriously at age 23"?

Or was it validation bait, and the question rhetorical?

Bravo. You deserve a free gold upgrade, "Hoe-Dini". You are a prodigy, a Terminator model that will replace all of us T-800 models.

Enjoy your stay here.

Post: #39

Auk makes a great point about the current culture celebrating youth and innocence. When you look at TV shows and Cartoons today they often depict the children as the wise ones and the parents as buffons. It didn't happen overnight, but has been building over time and is now personified in the millennial generation.

Look back at shows like "3rd rock from the Sun", where the child was the elder and the old guy was a child, or The Simpsons, or Rugrats, or the Whitney Houston song that espouses, "Children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way." Lead the way? Ummm....I'd rather elect an older person with more experience to lead the way for me, thanks.

As far as knowledge goes, it's true we eventually learn from experience, but we can learn exponentially more from real thinking and self-exploration. It wasn't until I was about 30 I happened upon that. I'm 44 now, and realize I knew absolutely nothing of importance for the first 30 years of my life. Hopefully when I'm 70 I'll look back and realize I knew nothing of importance for the first 68 years of my life.

As fas as game goes, don't mistake the benefits of energy and drive that comes with youth for game. In many ways I had much more game between 16-35 then I do now. I got laid a lot in those years and had a lot of LTR's, but that's only because it was really, really important to me at the time and the desire for it was there. Nowadays at 44 getting laid is so less important than finding a good, quality woman to share life with and I often wonder about how important that even is.

I'm not trying to say "if you were wise you would be doing what I'm doing". Quite the opposite. You are doing what's appropriate for a young man, but don't go thinking the old guys don't know any better because they aren't out trying to bang pussy every night.

My goodness.

Post: #40

Obnoxious.

Post: #41

(07-13-2015 06:02 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 05:22 PM)Sweeterman Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 04:40 PM)LINUX Wrote:  I'll give you a shot.

Tell us something original about game that you've learned that we don't already know.

Ok. Coming from an island country, I got to fly to London & Paris recently and see how foreign city game works from an outside, unbiased perspective.

There is a system in place (across most of Europe's capitals I'm told, though I've only seen these two cities) that encourages interpersonal separation, but the separation is so strong that it actually becomes a connectedness in and of itself (I call it part-time love). Everyone is connected through NOT being attached rather than being attached, which creates a lot of unique opportunities, not just for game, but since that's the topic that is what I'll elaborate on.

Because nobody pays any attention to what other people are doing in such densely populated areas, you are more free to express yourself without judgment, whether that judgment is from yourself or from someone on the outside. There is a freedom in knowing that you're just a passing figure in the eyes of others, and this affects the women as much as it affects the men.

Women who, in smaller places, would never go past 3 drinks (far less do things like smoke weed, bump a line, pop a molly etc.) due to their fear of being observed acting stupid and having their reputation tarnished, will mirror the no fucks given city mentality when confronted with these things in a situation where they know they will not be judged outside of their own circle.

The social circles that women form in big cities tend to be more tight knit and tight lipped, yet at the same time more welcoming of new people. This is because if the circle decides they don't want anything to do with you, there's a very strong chance they'll never see you again without having to avoid you in any way.

In smaller places, these groups have a natural defense mechanism of just blowing people off instead of potentially making enemies whom they will have to avoid on a regular basis.

In London, you are instantly judged by your choice of clothes. In Paris, you are instantly judged by your body language and demeanor. Just this fact highlights a lot of the underlying mentality. London has women who tend to be easier to get, because the superficiality/consumerism culture is more widespread. I would go as far as to consider England a near-disgrace to European culture on a whole. It feels more like a prim and proper America than a European nation.

Formlessness is the key to avoiding monotony when gaming women. If you have a strategy and location which work for you a good portion of the time, eventually you will get bored of both. You should step out of your zone willingly and look for women from different walks of life, and approach them as if you are from that same walk. Rather than pretending to be in someone else's shoes, try actually putting them on. Everyone has a certain type of game which is most effective for them, but true understanding of these game types isn't realised until you have a bit of experience in any role you may find yourself in.

When you are open to new experiences and willing to learn all you can from them, they will follow you wherever you go. Train your body to act without thought and your mind will eventually follow. You can master the mind but the body is our vessel for interacting with the physical world, and must be conditioned first.

I don't know if this guy is for real, but this seems to be an interesting post.

This guy is always for real. Lol

(07-13-2015 06:03 PM)Pontifex Maximus Wrote:  OP, you have some... interesting... concerns.

Last time I had a meet-up with a a 24 year-old member, he said, "Damn, you're a fuckin' baby." after he found out I couldn't buy a drink legally. Yet, I don't let my age dictate my demeanor. I just stay humble and learn and experiment. I look at the "40+ Thread" and use it to keep myself ambitious, because I want to be able to proudly post there after over two decades of work.

What answer were you hoping for?

"You will be taken seriously at age 23"?

Or was it validation bait, and the question rhetorical?

Bravo. You deserve a free gold upgrade, "Hoe-Dini". You are a prodigy, a Terminator model that will replace all of us T-800 models.

Enjoy your stay here.

Your age dictates your demeanor a lot more than you think, bud. I was not hoping for a concrete answer, but for input. This was a topic meant to incite discussion, and it has not failed in that regard

(07-13-2015 06:03 PM)Onto Wrote:  Auk makes a great point about the current culture celebrating youth and innocence. When you look at TV shows and Cartoons today they often depict the children as the wise ones and the parents as buffons. It didn't happen overnight, but has been building over time and is now personified in the millennial generation.

Look back at shows like "3rd rock from the Sun", where the child was the elder and the old guy was a child, or The Simpsons, or Rugrats, or the Whitney Houston song that espouses, "Children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way." Lead the way? Ummm....I'd rather elect an older person with more experience to lead the way for me, thanks.

As far as knowledge goes, it's true we eventually learn from experience, but we can learn exponentially more from real thinking and self-exploration. It wasn't until I was about 30 that I happened upon that. I'm 44 now, and realize I knew absolutely nothing of importance for the first 30 years of my life. Hopefully when I'm 70 I'll look back and realize I knew nothing of importance for the first 68 years of my life.

As fas as game goes, don't mistake the benefits of energy and drive that comes with youth for game. In many ways I had much more game between 16-35 then I do now. I got laid a lot in those years and had a lot of LTR's, but that's only because it was really, really important to me at the time and the desire for it was there. Nowadays at 44 getting laid is so less important than finding a good, quality woman to share life with and I often wonder about how important that even is.

I'm not trying to say "if you were wise you would be doing what I'm doing". Quite the opposite. You are doing what's appropriate for a young man, but don't go thinking the old guys don't know any better because they aren't out trying to bang pussy every night.

My goodness.

I'm not out trying to bang pussy every night. I have my priorities well ordered.

I am also not saying that "old guys" don't know better.

Wisdom comes with age, yes, but age does not guarantee wisdom, nor does lack of age guarantee a lack of wisdom. It is certainly a great indicator; it is not a 100% reliable determinant.

You may have known nothing of importance in your first 30 years, but would that lead you to believe (and therefore generalize) that ALL people under 30 know nothing of importance? That is what I'm getting at.

Post: #42

(07-13-2015 06:12 PM)Sweeterman Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 06:03 PM)Onto Wrote:  Auk makes a great point about the current culture celebrating youth and innocence. When you look at TV shows and Cartoons today they often depict the children as the wise ones and the parents as buffons. It didn't happen overnight, but has been building over time and is now personified in the millennial generation.

Look back at shows like "3rd rock from the Sun", where the child was the elder and the old guy was a child, or The Simpsons, or Rugrats, or the Whitney Houston song that espouses, "Children are our future, teach them well and let them lead the way." Lead the way? Ummm....I'd rather elect an older person with more experience to lead the way for me, thanks.

As far as knowledge goes, it's true we eventually learn from experience, but we can learn exponentially more from real thinking and self-exploration. It wasn't until I was about 30 that I happened upon that. I'm 44 now, and realize I knew absolutely nothing of importance for the first 30 years of my life. Hopefully when I'm 70 I'll look back and realize I knew nothing of importance for the first 68 years of my life.

As fas as game goes, don't mistake the benefits of energy and drive that comes with youth for game. In many ways I had much more game between 16-35 then I do now. I got laid a lot in those years and had a lot of LTR's, but that's only because it was really, really important to me at the time and the desire for it was there. Nowadays at 44 getting laid is so less important than finding a good, quality woman to share life with and I often wonder about how important that even is.

I'm not trying to say "if you were wise you would be doing what I'm doing". Quite the opposite. You are doing what's appropriate for a young man, but don't go thinking the old guys don't know any better because they aren't out trying to bang pussy every night.

My goodness.

I'm not out trying to bang pussy every night. I have my priorities well ordered.

I am also not saying that "old guys" don't know better.

Wisdom comes with age, yes, but age does not guarantee wisdom, nor does lack of age guarantee a lack of wisdom. It is certainly a great indicator; it is not a 100% reliable determinant.

You may have known nothing of importance in your first 30 years, but would that lead you to believe (and therefore generalize) that ALL people under 30 know nothing of importance? That is what I'm getting at.

Let's go back to your original post.

Quote:The thing that irks me in day to day life is that people consistently blow off my opinions and lessons just because of my age.

Try to let go of your concern that people recognize you as the knower. The best thing you can do is to not give an opinion, but instead ask them questions about theirs. Learn how they see the world, and more importantly how you find yourself feeling about their vision. Doing that will teach you much about life and yourself.

This is hard to do on a forum where there really isn't a way to ask question upon question, so we mostly just state our opinions, but in real life try doing what I suggested above.

Post: #43

(07-13-2015 03:18 PM)Sweeterman Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 02:54 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  By your writing, you're clearly an intelligent enough youngster.

But the fact that you thought this post was a good or useful idea as post #4, or even at all, is very revealing of your age and naivete. There may be some truths in it, but it is laced with a youthful arrogance that begs to be (and I assure you will be) picked on. Nor will it win you many friends.

Verdict: you may not be as wise as you think you are, and the fact that your blinders are on to this when it may be clear to quite a few others is one of the major stumbling blocks for young people who want to be taken more seriously by their elders.

I can relate as I was an intelligent, deep, and bullheaded kid who got a bit ahead of himself too. But given that you're new to the forum and want to hang out for a while, I caution you about chasing this line of discussion to its inevitable conclusion in this particular thread. People are going to come in and troll you here, and it's important you just consider it a lesson learned.

Simmer down, hang out for a while. You might realize there's much yet for you to soak in. Certainly not from everyone here but enough to make it worth your while to be humble.

EDIT:

A couple books you might want to look at include 48 Laws of Power and How to Win Friends and Influence People.

I could counter that you're presuming me to be exactly the type of "naive, bullheaded kid" that older generations stereotype us all as. My "youthful arrogance" comes across only as a natural response to this exact type of generalizing.

You are right. I may not be as wise as I think I am. It would be childish for me to assume anything else.

I did not make this topic with the intention of it being a good or useful idea. I made this topic only to stimulate discussion on something that I personally feel strongly about, and wanted community input on. As a more experienced RVF'er than me, if there was somewhere else I should have taken this, please tell me where it is

Please do not insult my intelligence though. These are pop culture books which I had written summaries and essays on while I was in secondary school. Do not make assumptions of my character based on pretension. You may not have had the initiative to read such literature while you were my age (an age which I have not stated, and you therefore cannot know) but does not mean I did not or have not. I am currently reading books far, far more comprehensive on far more specific topics, which I will name for you if you so desire.

I welcome those who would come and troll me! I did not make this post in error and I can back up any of my points beyond what you are under the impression I am able to. I am always open to debate, no matter the tone others may take with me.

EDIT: If I had, say, made this same post, mentioning the same points I have but had decided not to mention my age or relate it personally to myself, would your response have been different? Have a think my friend.

To me, you just come across as a narcissist. Your first post made me doubt your intentions, your post quoted above is just you begging for a burn in terms of backfire towards your complete statement.

I'm sorry for any typo's or strange formulated sentences. English isn't my first language and I guess I'm too old to outsmart you.

Post: #44

OP, if we can guess the magazine you write for in three tries, will you tell us honestly if we get it right? I'll go first with Vice. If we don't get it in three tries I promise to lobby on your behalf in the near future.

Post: #45

(07-13-2015 06:39 PM)Engineer Wrote:  OP, if we can guess the magazine you write for in three tries, will you tell us honestly if we get it right? I'll go first with Vice. If we don't get it in three tries I promise to lobby on your behalf in the near future.

Vice, jezebel, huffpo

Post: #46

HuffPo.

EDIT: Damn, too late.

Post: #47

A couple of points from a guy in his 30s:

-On average, I trust older guys' opinions and advice more for the same reason I trust older banks more when I decide where to put my money: they have survived and succeeded because they are robust. Longevity matters. I believe Nassim Taleb made this argument in one of his books.

-Being good at game doesn't mean being able to give good advice or contribute to the game community. Many young handsome guys can pull hotter girls than experienced guys like Nick Krauser, but Krauser is much better at teaching game because he has learned from his successes and failures over many years.

Post: #48

Wrong wrong and wrong! I'll take that lobbying any time

Post: #49

Humility will always be your friend. Whether that is in a social or professional atmosphere. Learn from your peers and your elders. That ranges from learning by their failures as well as their successes. Gathering game experience at a young age will serve you well for the future. Read some different threads, do things out of your comfort zone, and gain experience.

Post: #50

(07-13-2015 06:02 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 05:22 PM)Sweeterman Wrote:  

(07-13-2015 04:40 PM)LINUX Wrote:  I'll give you a shot.

Tell us something original about game that you've learned that we don't already know.

Ok.

I don't know if this guy is for real, but this seems to be an interesting post.

It's just social observation.

It isn't something original about game that we didn't already know. If the guy is so smart he could have explained his 'original component of game' that we didn't already know in three sentences, instead he goes in to a long winded spiel about differences in social behaviour. Look at WIA's posts, they're concise, to the point and bursting with information that is applicable on a general and specific level.

What is this guy's metric for being able to say he has better game than older players? How many actual players has he hung out with, and gamed women with?

I know it's exciting to finally become a member on this forum. You think you are one of the big dogs. I thought that when I joined, I'm only human. My actions and experiences in my life showed me I was just a spectator, not a player, but I learned that through what I digested here.

Sweeterman, you need to chill and relax. You don't need to impress anyone here, you aren't judged here by how good your game is, you're judged most of all by how you contribute.

Cynical rant over.