Post: #1

I'm tired of reading about the feminist bullshit blithely cited in the mainstream press as the truth. For example that "1 in 4 women will be raped in college" or that women "still make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns."

I think we should have a thread which gives factual evidence why feminism is based on lies and misinformation. We should spread awareness that our society is dominated by feminist propoganda which is influencing politics at the highest level.

I just came across this site: http://www.realsexism.com/ which has raw data with full citations demonstrating that the real sexism in society is not towards women but towards men.

Quote:Despite what you have been told, in the western world today almost all legal and lethal sexual discrimination is against men.

Men are 97% of combat fatalities.

Men pay 97% of Alimony

Men make 94% of work suicides.

Men make up 93% of work fatalities.

Men make up 81% of all war deaths.

Men lose custody in 84% of divorces.

80% of all suicides are men.

77% of homicide victims are men.

89% of men will be the victim of at least one violent crime.

Men are over twice as victimised by strangers as women.

Men are 165% more likely to be convicted than women.

Men get 63% longer sentences than women for the same crime.

Court bias against men is at least 6 times bigger than racial bias.

Males are discriminated against in school and University.

Boys face vastly more corporal punishment than girls.

60-80% of the homeless are men.

Women's Cancers receive 15 times more funding than men's

At least 10% of fathers are victims of paternity fraud.

One third of all fathers in the USA have lost custody of children, most are expected to pay for this.

40-70% of domestic violence is against men however less than 1% of domestic violence shelter spaces are for men.

Male fatality rates are vastly higher than women's

Despite all the pressures and risks facing men today support services for men are almost non existent compared to services for women.

The UN promotes genital mutilation of male children but condems female genital mutilation. This is Real Sexism.

THE REAL MONEY GAP.
Men earn 61.5% of all income but only account for 25% of domestic spending. Men only spend 40% of what they earn after tax. In contrast women make up 38.5% of all income but control 75% of domestic spending, women on average spend 90% MORE MONEY THAN THEY EARN.

TAX & HEALTHCARE DISCRIMINATION
Men pay over 70% of income tax but the vast majority of public spending is on services for women. There is more money spent on breast cancer than lung cancer and prostate cancer combined, despite the fact that lung cancer alone has 3-4 times more fatalities than breast cancer.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
Men get arrested in 85% of all arrests but its estimated that Women are the perpetrators in most Domestic Violence cases. Most reciprocal violence is started by women and 70% of non reciprocal violence is perpetrated by women. Women however only get arrested in 15% of all DV arrests.

Despite this though,99.3% of DV shelter spaces are for women and even men who report violence against them by women are arrested far more often than the woman who is attacking them.

Post: #2

Although I agree with all your cited facts, you are making the same mistake many on the right make: trying to argue against the movement using logic and facts. The current crop of feminists, leftist-statists and the typists masquerading as journalist couldn't care less about facts. Only feelings matter. They've spent the last 20-30 years being force-fed identity politics, anti-free market propaganda and in an outright competition for victimhood. They aren't interested in what is factually right, or demonstrably correct. Only in shaping the world to fit their narrative. And because they've won the culture war for the most part, the only voices that stand up to them are significantly in the minority and therefore easily dismissed.

Thus while your rant is worthy from a factual and logical perspective, you can't expect simply pointing out the logical flaws with the lies inherent in modern feminism will make a lick of difference.

Increasingly, rational and logical human beings aren't even speaking the same language as our opponents.

Post: #3

I think the target audience for this refutation are not the female feminists themselves, rather, the targets are the white knights and other enablers of extreme feminism.

Post: #4

^ Sure I get that, but the enablers and manginas are just as programmed as the feminists themselves. You can't use logic and facts on those people either.

Only a complete financial and cultural breakdown will allow for any change. In my view, we are just too much in decline now to reverse the death spiral.

Post: #5

(07-12-2015 01:27 PM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  Thus while your rant is worthy from a factual and logical perspective, you can't expect simply pointing out the logical flaws with the lies inherent in modern feminism will make a lick of difference.

True. Take the first item on the list.

Quote:Men are 97% of combat fatalities.

The feminist (and WKs, SJWs and other enablers) hear this and immediately try to spin it into their worldview. Hillary Clinton took that fact and said:

Quote:Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children.

Post: #6

(07-12-2015 02:05 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children.

But no-one gives a shit about the husbands, fathers and sons which were killed in war. Ah yes, the female and political hamsters can't possibly make something worthwhile.

Oh yes, I'm so privileged you literally can't even.
Interested in joining the FFL? I tried (and failed).

Post: #7

(07-12-2015 01:27 PM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  Although I agree with all your cited facts, you are making the same mistake many on the right make: trying to argue against the movement using logic and facts. The current crop of feminists, leftist-statists and the typists masquerading as journalist couldn't care less about facts. Only feelings matter. They've spent the last 20-30 years being force-fed identity politics, anti-free market propaganda and in an outright competition for victimhood. They aren't interested in what is factually right, or demonstrably correct. Only in shaping the world to fit their narrative. And because they've won the culture war for the most part, the only voices that stand up to them are significantly in the minority and therefore easily dismissed.

Thus while your rant is worthy from a factual and logical perspective, you can't expect simply pointing out the logical flaws with the lies inherent in modern feminism will make a lick of difference.

Increasingly, rational and logical human beings aren't even speaking the same language as our opponents.

While he won't convinced the feminists and/or fanatics with facts (no one will), this list is good for two purposes:

1). You can use the info to refute women who aren't feminists but who mindlessly parrot the party line with those annoying memes on Facebook. Lets them know you aren't playing into their frame.

2). You can also use the info to argue with male SJWs on Facebook and elsewhere, which can have the hilarious effect of exposing them as the asshole, bullying hypocrites they truly are. I once did this and had one explode at me with a torrent of profanity and bigotry (i.e. calling me "white trash") so bad that it unmasked him in front of a bunch of friends, all of whom called him out. He then unfriended me. Hahaha.

Post: #8

Everything you wrote is correct.

Now, consider this: the Nazi party of Germany made up approximately 10% of the population. Yet, that 10% of the population manipulated the other 90% and was able to do atrocious things. What gave the Nazi 10% the power was the other 90% of people.

Ultimately, we want to convince the group of people who aren't radicals so that the radicals lose their power. Frankly, the medium with the strongest message I've seen is Meninist, only because the authors are using humor to mock feminism (and it angers feminists the most, since they like to think they own the copyrights to humor). I think there's something there: make a mockery out of feminism by humorously exposing their double standards, highlighting uncomfortable facts with a witty message, etc.

Post: #9

(07-12-2015 02:05 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Quote:Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children.

As opposed to, you know, the ultimate sacrifice.

Apparently raising a child alone is worse than dying...

Post: #10

Best approach is to combine an emotional approach(mockery) based on facts. Mock them for being uneducated when they don't even know X fact.

Post: #11

(07-12-2015 02:57 PM)SunW Wrote:  Everything you wrote is correct.

Now, consider this: the Nazi party of Germany made up approximately 10% of the population. Yet, that 10% of the population manipulated the other 90% and was able to do atrocious things. What gave the Nazi 10% the power was the other 90% of people.

Ultimately, we want to convince the group of people who aren't radicals so that the radicals lose their power. Frankly, the medium with the strongest message I've seen is Meninist, only because the authors are using humor to mock feminism (and it angers feminists the most, since they like to think they own the copyrights to humor). I think there's something there: make a mockery out of feminism by humorously exposing their double standards, highlighting uncomfortable facts with a witty message, etc.

I agree. There are many men and women who are not ideological feminists. They consume the mainstream media believing it to be fair and unbiased. They believe that men have all the power and women are oppressed because the media says so. They do not realise the they are reading propaganda based on deliberate misinformation. If they were made to realise this perhaps the tide of feminism can be turned back.

But maybe it's too late. It seems to me that society is increasingly demonising masculinity and male sexuality. The consequence will surely be that our society will gradually be run by people chosen for their ideology not ability. Females will be a privileged class, never to be held accountable for their actions. They will have the power to destroy any man's life on a whim with an allegation of sexism or rape.

Men will drop out of the workforce and avoid relationships with women. Att the same time Islam, being a patriarchal culture, will flourish and their populations will grow. It will be the end of civilization as we know it.

Post: #12

(07-12-2015 05:08 PM)Robert JS Wrote:  There are many men and women who are not ideological feminists. They consume the mainstream media believing it to be fair and unbiased. They believe that men have all the power and women are oppressed because the media says so. They do not realise the they are reading propaganda based on deliberate misinformation. If they were made to realise this perhaps the tide of feminism can be turned back.

But maybe it's too late. It seems to me that society is increasingly demonising masculinity and male sexuality. The consequence will surely be that our society will gradually be run by people chosen for their ideology not ability. Females will be a privileged class, never to be held accountable for their actions. They will have the power to destroy any man's life on a whim with an allegation of sexism or rape.

Men will drop out of the workforce and avoid relationships with women. Att the same time Islam, being a patriarchal culture, will flourish and their populations will grow. It will be the end of civilization as we know it.

The Revenge Of The Lost Boys
Western societies are producing more and more Lost Boys, the fail-to-launch young men who carry dangerous social grudges.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09/the-...qus_thread

The author makes some good points but totally leaves out others, such as the damage feminism has wrought.
Lots of good comments though.

Quote:Insidious Sid mac1davis • 3 days ago
Feminism identified the family unit as the cellular level unit of their target "patriarchal structure", and like a cancer, dissolved it. If you want to know why there are so many emasculated, aimless, joyless and angry young men around, and why crime rates continue to soar, look no further than homes with progressive minded feminist mommies and a lack of a father figure. Besides, look how popular culture has cast the man, the former head of the household, as a bumbling buffoon, while the mother does pretty much everything, and quite well, in the background, giving the man a false sense of his importance with some pedantic glad-handing. Find me a TV series in pop culture where the father is the head of the family and a solid role model. The spread of feminism has hit the cultural lymph nodes. It's stage IV, I am afraid. All we can do now is keep the patient comfortable.
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Insidious Sid TeeJaw • 3 days ago
Young females are more catered to and pampered than at any point in history. The most amazing trick is convincing people they are more victimized and oppressed than at any other point in history and that there is "still much work that needs to be done..." under the badge of feminism. More impressive still is the number of people, especially women, who think that feminism is "just about equality between the sexes, m'kay, and if you don't know that, read a book and stop hating women, m'kay?"
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Insidious Sid esquimaux • 3 days ago
It means the feminists won't stop until they've pushed so far that a massive uprising will be required to counteract their extremism. Next thing a woman will say I IMAGINED myself raping her, it traumatized her, and thus I am her virtual rapist. There is no end to how insane it can go now. Women are desperately trying to get police-state power over men (cry-point-arrest) before the whole card house topples. Right now, the biggest threat is passive resistance, or MGTOW. But, if things go on like this, more assertive responses might be required. And God knows, I do no suggest, condone or even HINT at any violence towards women here. I am just suggesting more assertive action than passive resistance, such as labor striking, tax revolt, and other forms of protest and civil disobedience. The last thing any anti-feminist wants to do now is martyr a woman. They would love that more than anything.

Post: #13

I must ask this question. Why try to refute feminism to feminists? The key to winning an election is not to campaign to those who will always vote for the other party. Rather, your energy is best spent convincing the undecideds and independents. That thin slice of the electorate is what decides elections.

When it comes to women, your time is better spent with women who can think for themselves. A litmus test is asking whether a woman always does (or believes) what her friends tell her. Many women profess to believe they are independent thinkers. Lead a woman down this path and she is yours.

Mark Twin once wrote that you should never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience.

Post: #14

Can we just give women their own country already? Carve something out of the california coastline and let them have a women's utopia. It would be so nice to say "don't like the patriarchy, I'm sure you can immigrate to the cat lady kingdom, with its 90% unemployment and 200% income tax rate"

Post: #15

These are feminists we're dealing with - just explain to them that you support feminism because it means dykes and fags will breed themselves out of the gene pool quicker, without any effort on your own part. Cut right to the core of the issue, regardless of whether said issue is twisted entirely out of context or just purely fabricated

Post: #16

Logic is normally an effective weapon, but it won't work here. You could drop an A-bomb worth of logic onto feminists, and they will shrug it off as they would a text from a beta.



Like cockroaches and the twinkies they subsist on, they'll survive. A different approach is necessary. One that targets their vulnerability, emotions.

They are particularly susceptible to rage. However, the outrage that fuels their existence is spreading thin. Fat-shaming, slut-shaming, the wage gap, videogames, rape culture, and street harassment are just a few of their battles. And the controversies will keep coming.

Eventually, normal people will stop caring.

Post: #17

(07-13-2015 02:29 AM)Bacchus Wrote:  However, the outrage that fuels their existence is spreading thin. Fat-shaming, slut-shaming, the wage gap, videogames, rape culture, and street harassment are just a few of their battles. And the controversies will keep coming.

The likeness of feminism to Nazi Germany is remarkable

Post: #18

This sort of information is useful.

As other members have already pointed out, no, it isn't useful for arguing with feminists, but who wants to do that?

However, it is very useful to share in a way that normal, every day men will see it and say, "OK, I guess I'm not crazy after all."

There are a lot of men who secretly suspect that something is amiss, but since they haven't been exposes to a system that comprehensively explains male and female behaviour, they tend to fall into a purple pill camp.

Sharing a huge volume of stats that demonstrate that men are categorically disadvantaged might be enough to force these individuals to seek real answers.

Of course, it's easy to dismiss a high rate of male suicide and blame external factors. The harder thing is to prove systemic discrimination against men.

But stats showing how spends the most money and who earns the most money will affect your average man more, because he's probably noticed that going on and is starting to wonder why he's working his ass off.

Post: #19

Suits beat me to it. The facts aren't for the feminists - after all, if they were interested in facts, they wouldn't be feminists.

Post: #20

(07-12-2015 05:51 PM)Sombro Wrote:  The Revenge Of The Lost Boys
Western societies are producing more and more Lost Boys, the fail-to-launch young men who carry dangerous social grudges.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/09/the-...qus_thread

The author makes some good points but totally leaves out others, such as the damage feminism has wrought.

Any clown who classes Edward Snowden as a 'failure to launch' type in the same category as idiots like the Virginia Tech killer is not going to be the sort of guy who can tell you what's meaningfully wrong with American society. Particularly a guy who is a professor of national security affairs at the US Naval War College. Snowden worked for the CIA, NSA, and Dell. They don't give the sort of access Snowden had to simple code monkeys. Whatever drove Snowden to make his disclosures, it does not appear to have been narcissism.