Post: #26

Regarding Pakistani inbreeding - a British Indian peer talks sense, and is immediately shot down for being a "bigot"

Baroness Flather accused of 'bigotry' over her views on marriages in Pakistani community

Quote:A British-Asian peer has been accused of bigotry after she claimed that marriages between first cousins in Pakistani communities were leading to “absolutely appalling” disabilities among children.

The crossbencher Baroness Flather, who has described herself as a Hindu atheist, called for couples intending to marry to be required to take a DNA test to check they are not cousins.

Lady Flather, the first female Asian peer, told the Lords during a debate on ethnic minorities: “There are a lot of first-cousin marriages in certain communities, particularly among Pakistanis who come from the Pakistani Kashmir area.

“We know so much about DNA now, but there is so much disability among the children, which is absolutely appalling. You go to any such family and there will be four or five children, at least one or two of whom will have some disability. That is absolutely unacceptable, and if we cannot do anything about it, is it fair to the children?”

The 81-year-old peer, who was born in the Pakistani city of Lahore when it was still part of India, said: “Never mind the parents – it is not fair to the children that they should be allowed to become disabled because of a social practice.

“It is a social practice which does not belong in today’s age, when we know so much about DNA. There should at least be some rule which says that you must have a DNA examination before your marriage can be registered.”

Lady Flather also said the halal method of preparing meat should be banned. “Why should we allow anybody who comes to this country voluntarily to do that? It is not right,” she said.

The baroness was rebuked by the Conservative peer, Lord Sheikh, who said parts of her speech were “unfair and irrelevant” and “will not help community cohesion in this country”.

The Muslim Council of Britain said she had “a bee in her bonnet about British Muslims generally and those of Asian heritage in particular”.

It said: “Her consistent bigotry has unfortunately forfeited the right to be taken seriously.”

In 2011 Lady Flather provoked anger when she suggested people in some minority communities had a large number of children in order to claim more benefits.

This is what she said in 2011:

Migrants are having big families to claim benefits, says Asian baroness

Quote:Some Asian families in Britain are having too many children in order to claim extra welfare payments, Britain’s first female Asian peer claimed last night.

Baroness Flather accused the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities of failing to adopt the values of British society and said they should have their benefits slashed.

Lady Flather, a former Tory who now sits as a crossbencher, said this abuse of the welfare system has been brushed under the carpet out of political correctness.

She spoke out in the House of Lords during the second reading of the Welfare Reform Bill.

Lady Flather, a former barrister who was born in the Pakistani city of Lahore when it was part of India, praised the Indian community in the UK for having taken on ‘the pattern’ of families in their adopted country, by limiting the size of their families.

But she took aim at the Pakistani community, saying uneducated immigrants are still following the traditions of their homeland by having more children because they end up getting a ‘bigger house’.

She told peers: ‘The minority communities in this country, particularly the Pakistanis and the Bangladeshis, have a very large number of children and the attraction is the large number of benefits that follow the child.

‘Nobody likes to accept that, nobody likes to talk about it because it is supposed to be very politically incorrect.’

Lady Flather said parents of all backgrounds who have extra children should have no right to a larger council house. She added: ‘It is about time we stopped using children as a means of improving the amount of money they receive or getting a bigger house.

‘I really feel that for the first two children there should be a full raft of benefits, for the third child three quarters and for the fourth child a half.’

The Welfare Reform Bill aims to cap the amount of benefits one family can received at around £26,000, to ensure claimants do not get paid more than the average income for working families.

In a speech likely to spark a fierce debate, Lady Flather said: ‘In the countries of origin, of course, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and even Indians have large families because there is no safety net.

‘When you get old it is only your children who are going to look after you. This doesn’t apply here – every old person does have their pension and they will be looked after.’

She said that in education tables, while Indian children came at the top, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis came near the bottom, which she blamed on their families.

She said: ‘Especially after the recent riots, I think we need to give back the responsibility for bringing up children to the parents. I hear parents say, “But the school should teach them that” and, “But the school should do that”. The school has so much less time with the child than the parents do.’

What does this "bigot" look like?!

Post: #27

What if I marry/date/fuck two sisters? And we all get it on? it isn't like they can have children with each other and it is still incest. I can't say I find that thought disgusting.

It would be weird having kids with sisters though, they would be siblings and first cousins. Question. If they were twins and I had a kid with each of them, would they be step-sister/brother and cousins if they are identical twins? I guess they would be right?

Post: #28

(07-08-2015 05:35 PM)Troll King Wrote:  What if I marry/date/fuck two sisters? And we all get it on? it isn't like they can have children with each other and it is still incest. I can't say I find that thought disgusting.

It would be weird having kids with sisters though, they would be siblings and first cousins. Question. If they were twins and I had a kid with each of them, would they be step-sister/brother and cousins if they are identical twins? I guess they would be right?

I know an Indian family where the same guy married 2 sisters. Not at one time though – he married one sister, she had a kid and died, then he married her sister and had more kids. The kids all considered the oldest kid their sister.

It used to be a tradition in some countries that if a man died, his wife would marry his brother. Henry VIII's first wife Catherine was his brother Arthur’s widow.

Post: #29

(07-08-2015 06:00 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  It used to be a tradition in some countries that if a man died, his wife would marry his brother. Henry VIII's first wife Catherine was his brother Arthur’s widow.

Her marriage to Henry VIII would have been in violation of Catholic canon law had it not been approved by special papal dispensation which relied on the end-run of Catherine testifying that the marriage was never consummated.

And we all know how that marriage ended, anyways.

Post: #30

(07-08-2015 08:01 PM)HighSpeed_LowDrag Wrote:  

(07-08-2015 06:00 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  It used to be a tradition in some countries that if a man died, his wife would marry his brother. Henry VIII's first wife Catherine was his brother Arthur’s widow.

Her marriage to Henry VIII would have been in violation of Catholic canon law had it not been approved by special papal dispensation which relied on the end-run of Catherine testifying that the marriage was never consummated.

And we all know how that marriage ended, anyways.

Divorced Beheaded Died
Divorced Beheaded Survived

You have to think that there'd be a lot less flaking in modern relationships if beheading was still on the table...

Post: #31

At the risk of getting a warning, I talked about this with some guys from another reactosphere community.

Basically, as Bad Hussar has said it is highly unlikely Europeans will go for incest even if it is legal. And we can see this in countries/states that have incest legalized or never criminalized it.

But, others may as the comments about Pakistanis have shown.
Here the conversation took a Machiavellian route.
1) Would incest be more frequent if it was legal, because its illegality not exactly enforced as we can see in the UK
2) If it were to become more common among certain groups, is that a point in favor or against the idea? This specifically being the Machiavellian turn I mentioned.

Post: #32

It is forbidden for a brother and a sister to have vaginal intercourse. But they need to be over 18 years old to get punished.

This law is obviously crap. If two brothers fuck each other this is allowed, even if one is 30years old and the other 16.
It is also allowed that father jerks off and hand his sperm to his daughter so that she can get pregnant with it.

The politicians should remove the law. It's simply not their affair what adults do in the bedroom.

Post: #33

(07-09-2015 04:39 PM)Eskhander Wrote:  At the risk of getting a warning, I talked about this with some guys from another reactosphere community.

Basically, as Bad Hussar has said it is highly unlikely Europeans will go for incest even if it is legal. And we can see this in countries/states that have incest legalized or never criminalized it.

But, others may as the comments about Pakistanis have shown.
Here the conversation took a Machiavellian route.
1) Would incest be more frequent if it was legal, because its illegality not exactly enforced as we can see in the UK
2) If it were to become more common among certain groups, is that a point in favor or against the idea? This specifically being the Machiavellian turn I mentioned.

What i'm most curious about legalization is how much more in the open it would be if it was.

While it being illegal might deter overt relationships, i doubt it it deters "experimentation" and downlow trysts.

Post: #34

I don't think incest is a step lower than gays at all. Let incest be legalized across the board for the hilarity.