Post: #1

Almost 27 years old, I’ve been doing game for about a year.

7 bangs, fingered another four girls.

Mostly daygame – coffee shops, grocery stores, on the bus, and on the street. Some night game in bars, no clubs. No online game. I’m averaging 10 phone numbers a month.

See posts on lessons from a trip to Mexico:
/thread-47180.html

and an audio recording of a day approach I did in February:
/thread-47317.html

In the last nine months, I’ve had roughly 18 dates, but only one bang has come from a date. (She was a really horny 20-year old I met at the gym). Every other date ends up with her going silent, friend-zoning, or in a few cases I decide I’m no longer interested in her.

Thank you to all the guys in this forum for their time and advice thus far.

I’m thinking I’d benefit from 1 on 1 work.

Specs:

• If you are coming to Seattle in the Pacific Northwest where I live, you'd get
• Free lodging all weekend.
  

or

• If we meet in your city, I’d fly there (assuming in the U.S.)
  

I’m at the point in my game where I think live feedback will really help. Seeing someone who has talent approaching (that’s you). It feels like I’m not going to get better results simply by reading more books, watching more videos and perusing the forum further. Action is needed. And action without feedback…I’m going to keep getting the same results I always have.

If you’re interested, send me a PM.

I have three quick questions and three longer ones:

1. your city
2. how long you’ve been studying game
3. what you'd charge for a weekend (include one price if you came to the Pacific Northwest and one price if I flew to your city)
   —
4. what you’d like to teach
5. why you want to teach (and whether you've taught before)
6. how you personally have been improving your game over the last 3 months
   

I’ll review and get back soon. Thanks.

Post: #2

Dude, you don't need to pay any of us to help you? I think I can diagnose some of what you are struggling with. It sounds like you are getting upset when the girls stop responding mid game. If you were in Los Angeles, that would be happening even more. it happens all the time to me, more like 8 or 9 out of 10 phone numbers I get just stop responding and go nowhere. When that happens, it just means I need to approach more and have more new women coming in.

If you can't get them out to meet up, then they were never really in the game to begin with. Attractive women are flooded with attention nonstop in this day and age with beta orbiters, online validation through instagram and facebook, so a lot of women will just not want to meet up.

The game changer, for me at least, was when I went with a mindset from trying to go out and get bangs to trying to go out and meet people and have fun. Much healthier that way. Yes of course, when you have a girl who is interested, keep escalating and be willing to hit the killswitch and be willing to try to get them into bed. A lot of guys come up short(I was like this) in this area, I was good at getting girls to like me but could not hit the killswitch to try to get them into bed.

I'd need more information to see exactly what areas you ought to be working on, it could easily be something else entirely. It's possible you just need to work on inner game and hit the gym harder and become a more attractive guy in general.

Post: #3

I can vouch for forum member DistantLight. He's a personal friend of mine, and is legit. Based in NYC. /user-3433.html

Post: #4

I'm in the same boat as you OP, pretty much. eradicator is right. I just think we need to mentally accept that girls are fickle as hell and modern technology only magnifies this. I would of course like to see some more material about retaining interest in this day and age and how to make text/phone game work a bit better, but ultimately most of your numbers are probably going to flake.

The only surefire way to really prevent it is to make as huge an impression as you can, and during the day there are limited avenues for this since heavy screening and escalation would be socially inappropriate.

Post: #5

Gio was offering this - /thread-9856-p...pid358830. Of course Roosh as well but I'm not sure what country he's in now with the tour and all. With either of them I imagine you'd do better sending the PM.

Post: #6

(07-05-2015 06:02 PM)travolta Wrote:  I can vouch for forum member DistantLight. He's a personal friend of mine, and is legit. Based in NYC. /user-3433.html

I can vouch for DistantLight as well. He's a good guy.

Post: #7

DL does coaching?

Post: #8

Those sound like really good results for a year. Why don't you just host a Seattle meetup and wing at a nightclub? Or meet members at a bar, chill with some drinks, and maybe do approaches together. And take another trip. And start using online to supplement what you are doing now.

Post: #9

Dude take a bootcamp with one of the pick up companies- I learned a lot from them.

Post: #10

The fact that you also have ZERO online presence (no tinder) could be a huge factor. Judging from your stats you have to be a decent guy.


"I’m averaging 10 phone numbers a month."

"In the last nine months, I’ve had roughly 18 dates, but only one bang has come from a date"

As it's been discussed on this site - "numbers" sometimes/rarely lead to future potential. Let's take these numbers at face value.

90 numbers have resulted in 1 bang. Those are fucking TERRIBLE statistics. "Dates" no longer work, and essentially you have escalate immediately when meeting her. Women literally have their choice of 100+ guys a week, and you have to separate yourself from the pack or they will dismiss you.

Post: #11

(07-05-2015 09:20 PM)CH-Toronto Wrote:  The fact that you also have ZERO online presence (no tinder) could be a huge factor. Judging from your stats you have to be a decent guy.


"I’m averaging 10 phone numbers a month."

"In the last nine months, I’ve had roughly 18 dates, but only one bang has come from a date"

As it's been discussed on this site - "numbers" sometimes/rarely lead to future potential. Let's take these numbers at face value.

90 numbers have resulted in 1 bang. Those are fucking TERRIBLE statistics. "Dates" no longer work, and essentially you have escalate immediately when meeting her. Women literally have their choice of 100+ guys a week, and you have to separate yourself from the pack or they will dismiss you.

It can't be that horrible is it? When I do approaches, and it actually works out and the girl is responsive and agrees to meet up, and she actually shows up, oftentimes she laments that she doesn't have many guys hitting on her throughout the day, at night clubs sure, but that can be pretty seedy. By approaching at the beach, at coffee shops, at whole foods, you are separating yourself from the pack. The pack is doing night game and online game. At least that is my perception of things.

I'd suggest a few things, take more fitness classes like cycling/barre/yoga as these all have extremely favorable ratios and the girls are generally in a good mood and open to being gamed after the class ends.

Post: #12

You're not getting laid because you aren't masculine and you sound like a homosexual when you speak. You were told this in your other thread when you posted your audio transcripts from the computer store.

Unless you fix those things, you're going to always be the "last case scenario" nice guy. I don't care how many PUA you hire, that's reality.

I'll be leaving the USA in about three months to go to Colombia and Venezuela. If you're in Denver, hit me up. I'll spend a weekend with you free of charge or I can point you toward a few guys in Canada who can teach you a thing or two also.

Post: #13

There's no need to pay for advice. Hiring a coach isn't going to lead to girls perceiving you differently because obviously approaching isn't an issue, and saying a few different openers isn't going to change your results really.

The issues you seem to have are lack of a good speaking voice and charisma, you aren't making any kind of compelling connection.
Numbers mean nothing, if you have not made an impression within a few minutes then she's not going to care when you later call.

Post: #14

(07-05-2015 04:16 PM)Jagnum Wrote:  Almost 27 years old, I’ve been doing game for about a year.

7 bangs, fingered another four girls.

Mostly daygame – coffee shops, grocery stores, on the bus, and on the street. Some night game in bars, no clubs. No online game. I’m averaging 10 phone numbers a month.

See posts on lessons from a trip to Mexico:
/thread-47180.html

and an audio recording of a day approach I did in February:
/thread-47317.html

In the last nine months, I’ve had roughly 18 dates, but only one bang has come from a date. (She was a really horny 20-year old I met at the gym). Every other date ends up with her going silent, friend-zoning, or in a few cases I decide I’m no longer interested in her.

Thank you to all the guys in this forum for their time and advice thus far.

I’m thinking I’d benefit from 1 on 1 work.

Specs:

• If you are coming to Seattle in the Pacific Northwest where I live, you'd get
• Free lodging all weekend.
  

or

• If we meet in your city, I’d fly there (assuming in the U.S.)
  

I’m at the point in my game where I think live feedback will really help. Seeing someone who has talent approaching (that’s you). It feels like I’m not going to get better results simply by reading more books, watching more videos and perusing the forum further. Action is needed. And action without feedback…I’m going to keep getting the same results I always have.

If you’re interested, send me a PM.

I have three quick questions and three longer ones:

1. your city
2. how long you’ve been studying game
3. what you'd charge for a weekend (include one price if you came to the Pacific Northwest and one price if I flew to your city)
   —
4. what you’d like to teach
5. why you want to teach (and whether you've taught before)
6. how you personally have been improving your game over the last 3 months
   

I’ll review and get back soon. Thanks.

Paying for coaching is one option. However, before you do that I suggest you meet more guys in this community. Hit some meet-ups and reach out to some forum members in your city. You can learn a lot from more experiences members through observation and developing friendships with them.

Post: #15

The path of least resistance is not the path to take.

http://www.rooshv.com/everything-i-know-about-women

Post: #16

glostic sense

Post: #17

Come to my city and I'll teach you free of charge too. This community is based on helping each other out just because we can.

I honestly think if you are this desperate game isn't the only issue.

Post: #18

I don't know if you lift, but I suspect if you start it'll help everything. Your confidence, your physical appearance and yes your voice and overall masculinity.

7 bangs since starting game is not bad at all and you're to be commended for that. Also, the fact that you're dedicated enough to pay for advice (which others have stated isn't necessary) means you really want to improve.

So, my advice is

1. Keep approaching. You will get better and keep learning. You will develop a thick skin to rejection and flaking.
2. Meet up with a willing forum member. A guy like LINUX would be a real benefit and I think he offered. He probably runs the opposite type of game as you as from what I've read he's a very direct (and effective ) player.
3. Deadlift, Squat and Bench press. Make sure you use proper form but doing these exercises 3 or so times a week will blow up your testosterone and confidence.
4. You may need to update your wardrobe: Get fitted shirts and pants. Get some tailored blazers ( you can wear linen blazers in the summer with a pocket square in the evenings) Get nice shoes. Peruse the style blog and other magazines like esquire and GQ to see what cool guys wear. Maybe these ideas aren't your wardrobe style, so find another. The point is, make sure it's cool clothes that fit you well.
5. At 27 you still have around 10 years until your 'peak' mid 30s seem to be a man's peak SMV but I know guys who take care of themselves and can go well beyond that. So, there's no insane rush, just keep working and improving.
6. Once you have decent game consider travel.

Good luck.

Post: #19

I'm suspicious of this guy.

He got a lot of advice in his day game thread, yet didn't acknowledge or respond to any of it.

Now he is soliciting for paid advice, and the free offers from LINUX and hwuzhere seem to be going unanswered.

I'm getting the feeling that this is a guy who wants to leech off the community rather than become a meaningful addition to it.

Post: #20

What are you suggesting? Multiple accounts and he is going to start pimping his PUA coaching business from his main account and hope to drive up business?

Post: #21

(07-07-2015 05:55 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  I'm suspicious of this guy.

He got a lot of advice in his day game thread, yet didn't acknowledge or respond to any of it.

Now he is soliciting for paid advice, and the free offers from LINUX and hwuzhere seem to be going unanswered.

I'm getting the feeling that this is a guy who wants to leech off the community rather than become a meaningful addition to it.

haven't been on the forum in a week, hence my delay.

sent PMs to LINUX and hwuzhere.

I'm hosting in Seattle, and I've posted it to the Meetups.

Post: #22

(07-07-2015 05:55 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  I'm suspicious of this guy.

He got a lot of advice in his day game thread, yet didn't acknowledge or respond to any of it.

Now he is soliciting for paid advice, and the free offers from LINUX and hwuzhere seem to be going unanswered.

I'm getting the feeling that this is a guy who wants to leech off the community rather than become a meaningful addition to it.

Perhaps he is trying to show off that he has money to spend on something frivolous.

If he is genuine, I think he is being lazy, as all the information and advice he needs is available on this forum.

Post: #23

And thanks to everyone, especially those who offered to meet. Also to nord, JamesRodri, eradicator, robreke, and even blurred for an extremely thorough rundown of the audio approach i did back in February.

I started to lift two months ago, I'm near my short-term bench press goal (body weight), and when I get there, I'll set a higher goal.

I've been taking notes on everything from this post and the previous one.

I'm continuing to work at it. I'll report back with progress and what I've learned.

Post: #24

(07-13-2015 01:56 AM)Jagnum Wrote:  I'm continuing to work at it. I'll report back with progress and what I've learned.

We genuinely look forward to hearing about your successes.

If you're serious about self improvement and make real effort, this forum will always have your back.

Post: #25

Can confirm OP did send me a PM and is planning to visit. I'll report back when he comes down here.