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(06-28-2015 03:59 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 01:31 AM)Samseau Wrote:  ^ The "moving left forever" ends when there's no more money to support this system... Mad max will look downright utopian compared to what's coming to this barren continent.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48290-...pid1044763

(06-28-2015 02:02 AM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  there will come a point where the pendulum will come swinging back off the gears and crashing out of the clock altogether, e.g. the end of the United States. Like the Roman Empire, Ancient Greece, Babylon, the Incas, the Aztecs, the Persians, various Chinese dynasties, the United States will indeed collapse.

This is really an interesting topic to think about, I have serious doubts that we will see a collapse in the way ancient societies collapsed. To truly have a collapse like the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, where humanity does not recover for centuries or even a thousand years... I just cannot imagine that happening. A literal Mad Max scenario, equally seems unlikely.

I don't see how there could possibly be such a power vacuum in the U.S. with so many weapons around. Human power is basically all based around violence, and whoever has the biggest guns wins. Thus even if, formally, The United States of America ceased existing, whatever the successor state might be would at least have a huge military at its disposal with which to maintain order.

Look for instance to the collapse of the Soviet Union. The world's largest "country" dissolved and broke up into dozens of states. They had a couple decades of chaos, lots of corruption, but the breakup of the Soviet Union is nothing on the scale of classical civilizational collapses. People may complain about poorer quality public services but that's relatively small beans compared to actually thinking Mad Max is a possible outcome for us.

You could look to Iraq or Syria as a worse case scenario I guess, even then, not Mad Max, though you're getting much closer.

If you're really expecting the worst, I guess Haiti or Somalia could be your worst case scenario, but I don't see how we get there anytime soon.

Our financial power and the dollar's status as the world's currency is largely based around our military power. We can always print more money to pay our debts because whoever you are, you have to take our money because we have nuclear missiles covering the entire planet. China cannot just not accept our dollars as payment, and the fears of hyperinflation have been nonstop since 2008 yet have failed to materialize. There truly has never been a country/empire/world power on the scale of the United States.

That isn't to say that The United States of America is eternal or will last for 1,000 years. But I just don't see a realistic situation where the U.S. collapses and there is a huge power vacuum that goes unfilled to the point that we re-enter the stone age. Our standard of living may drop down to converge with the rest of the Americas, but even a standard of living on par with Mexico is not Mad Max. Yet for there to be true chaos you need a power vacuum that goes unfilled, to the point that a few assholes with some guns and cars could legitimately be the biggest source of power around. How could that possibly happen in a country that has such a massive military?

If you start talking about 100 + years in the future, no one can really predict much with any accuracy, so we're into the realm of science fiction...

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But now I've started with the "I don't see this happening anytime soon" stuff which is basically a surefire way to ensure that something does in fact happen.

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I've just read Rudyard Kipling's short poem God of the Copybook Headings which talks about this in incredibly pertinent detail:

http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Readings/gods.html

OK just for kicks, I'll keep this up. Warning: rank speculation below.

I don't think the US is going to collapse. I think the US is going to turn into a heavy duty police state that will make the current legal situation look tame. I think very large numbers of white hetero men will be forced to wear tracking bracelets, or more likely, their faces and DNA traces will simply be tracked full-time, real-time, everywhere. I think white hetero men will be denied college entry and job opportunities, will be arrested or fired for making trivial comments, as a matter of routine. All this bullshit about "I'm going my own way" will be so completely meaningless when you can't make any money and are living in the modern equivalent of Hoovervilles. Yes you, Porche. You'll be living in a tent under a freeway onramp somewhere. You won't be able to "go your own way". You won't be able to go anywhere.

Anybody watch Minority Report? That's a good start.

White males will be routinely denied passports. That means you can't travel overseas. Mostly this will because, many of you will have felony convictions of some sort on your record. Once you are a felon, even if it's bullshit, you can't get a Passport. Other countries won't want you anyway.

In some states, however, there will be the opposite. Heavy right-wing religious groups will take over and will bluntly reject the federal government. It won't be a "soft" civil war. No outright warfare, not yet, but instead a concentration of militia and citizen power at the state borders. If you want to get into Texas, you'd better have good reason, and you'd better be able to convince them that you are Christian.

In Europe, Fascism and Islamic warfare. Euros swing much harder than the US so expect to see far-Right Franco-style governments pop up and gain complete dominance in multiple Euro nations.

The exception to all this...simple. If you are rich, none of the above applies. You live in a wholly seperate society, protected by walls of technology and corporate power. The corporatists will be sovereign power unto themselves.

(06-28-2015 01:31 AM)Samseau Wrote:  ^ The "moving left forever" ends when there's no more money to support this system. Right now America isn't producing nearly enough wealth to sustain itself. It's going bankrupt this century, and then things will return to, "The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must." Faggots won't last a year in these circumstances.

When the pendulum swings back, it won't be a "swing," it will be more like the clock exploding and the pendulum flies out of the machine and never swings again. America's entire system is running on faggotry, debt, coercion, mass media deception - pure lies.

What made America great came from the Kings of old - Patriarchy, Christianity, and Community Loyalty. The reason America has been able to keep up degeneracy for so long is because America had so much inertia from its upstanding old European traditions which were built on truths of human nature.

So all the degeneracy you see now is only sustained by the once great achievements of our old civilization, and once these things are gone so will our technology, our wealth, our peace and order, etc. Mad max will look downright utopian compared to what's coming to this barren continent.

A few comments on this. First, I don't think that we've been moving left forever. The American Revolution, for example, was a very conservative revolution. Very little actually changed (the average man still couldn't vote, the elites still held almost all power, etc.).

As for what is coming, I don't think it's going to be Mad Max style. I think it's going to be a lot closer (politically) to Medieval Europe. You're going to have at least ten (if not more) independent states, which will vary in governance from democratic to fiefdom. Mad Max is the direct result of nuclear war, which I really don't see happening any time soon, regardless of Iran's bluster. It's really a false dichotomy to claim that you have current civilization on one side and Mad Max on another. There's a very wide middle ground.

On another level, I think the pendulum is swinging back already. Think about how the political climate has been changing in the last 10 years. A lot of the country has become progressively more right wing.

Video of homosexuals admitting on hidden camera their stories of being molested as children and subsequently becoming pedophiles as adults. Note how none of them admit anything wrong with the situation. Adopting a homosexual identity is very often a coping mechanism for dealing with the repressed psychological trauma of having been sexually abused as a child. In other words, instead of having to come to terms with the horror of what happened to him, the homosexual instead convinces himself that he enjoyed the experience, that it was a positive event and that his eventual homosexual identity was an inevitability regardless of his having been molested or not. These people are mentally ill. They should be pitied and offered corrective therapy, not celebrated for their brokenness and self-destructive behavior. And society most certainly should not be giving sanction to homosexuality, much less glowing approval and official recognition of homosexual behavior being equal with normal sexuality.

(06-28-2015 10:24 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  I don't think the US is going to collapse. I think the US is going to turn into a heavy duty police state that will make the current legal situation look tame. I think very large numbers of white hetero men will be forced to wear tracking bracelets, or more likely, their faces and DNA traces will simply be tracked full-time, real-time, everywhere. I think white hetero men will be denied college entry and job opportunities, will be arrested or fired for making trivial comments, as a matter of routine. All this bullshit about "I'm going my own way" will be so completely meaningless when you can't make any money and are living in the modern equivalent of Hoovervilles. Yes you, Porche. You'll be living in a tent under a freeway onramp somewhere. You won't be able to "go your own way". You won't be able to go anywhere.

Anybody watch Minority Report? That's a good start.

I think this would happen with or without gay marriage, but the way that the new totalitarians work is that they want you to not realize you're living in a totalitarian state. To this respect, you're given a reasonable amount of leeway until you stick your head out or piss off the wrong group of people. When that happens, they already know everything about your life, and can pin something on you (no one is a saint, and it's not anyone can call them on lies when they control all the media), and destroy your life. Then it's off to the proverbial gulags.

We're basically already there, all it is now is doubling down on this stuff, even more explicit anti-normalcy policies, and even more whittling away at the average person's wealth until they can't pursue anything beyond (a) sucking off the media's tit for mind-numbing circus entertainment and (b) scrambling to pay the bills at dead end jobs.

If you guys are right, and it turns out that homosexuality is even partly a rippling phenomenon of inter-generational perpetuated sexual abuse, then this is the heaviest shit I've yet to discover by this forum. I hope more research into this continues.

Perhaps some of the Russian-speaking members of the forum could check the internet for Russian sociology or psychology journals, to see if they have discovered anything else on the issue. I suspect the Russian researchers won't be suppressed by the cultural Left.

(06-28-2015 11:08 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  If you guys are right, and it turns out that homosexuality is even partly a rippling phenomenon of inter-generational perpetuated sexual abuse, then this is the heaviest shit I've yet to discover by this forum. I hope more research into this continues.

Perhaps some of the Russian-speaking members of the forum could check the internet for Russian sociology or psychology journals, to see if they have discovered anything else on the issue. I suspect the Russian researchers won't be suppressed by the cultural Left.

I personally don't believe that molestation causes homosexuality, but I do believe Cochran's theory that homosexuality is caused by a pathogen. The pattern of molested children later becoming homosexual fits into this since a carrier of the pathogen (homosexual) raping a child would seem like a likely means of transmission, but need not be the only way.

I also don't think it's an accident that most historical societies have associated homosexuality with pedophilia. Prejudices don't appear out of nowhere, and it strains credibility to believe that billions of people throughout history would observe homosexual behavior for tens of thousands of years and all come to the conclusion that homosexuality and pedophilia were linked without there being a degree of truth to it.

(06-28-2015 11:31 AM)demolition Wrote:  I personally don't believe that molestation causes homosexuality...

Why not? It's not exactly rocket science to understand why homosexual molestation turns many boys into homosexuals. The exact same process has been observed and documented with children who are physically abused (they are much more likely to abuse their own children) as well as children who are exposed to drugs (they are much more likely to become addicts).

Children are incredibly impressionable. If you expose them to psychological trauma at a young age, there are going to be consequences that manifest into adulthood. The pathogen theory of homosexuality is entirely unnecessary from a causal perspective. Psychological trauma is a much simpler and more documented explanation, and additionally acts to explain the greatly heightened prevalence of mental illness, drug use and suicide among homosexuals.

I strongly doubt any pathogen cause. If it was, evidence would have showed it crystal clear long ago, such as blood transfusions from gays causing people to become gay (an undiscovered pathogen wouldn't be screened).

It's also not genetic, and it's not a choice. Everything is strongly pointing towards early life developmental causes. I think uncovering the answer to this question is very important. If it turns out that homosexuality is a preventable development, and suitable developmental precautions discovered, the whole cause of the Left on this issue would be seriously undermined.

(06-28-2015 11:44 AM)scorpion Wrote:  

(06-28-2015 11:31 AM)demolition Wrote:  I personally don't believe that molestation causes homosexuality...

Why not? It's not exactly rocket science to understand why homosexual molestation turns many boys into homosexuals. The exact same process has been observed and documented with children who are physically abused (they are much more likely to abuse their own children) as well as children who are exposed to drugs (they are much more likely to become addicts).

Children are incredibly impressionable. If you expose them to psychological trauma at a young age, there are going to be consequences that manifest into adulthood. The pathogen theory of homosexuality is entirely unnecessary from a causal perspective. Psychological trauma is a much simpler and more documented explanation, and additionally acts to explain the greatly heightened prevalence of mental illness, drug use and suicide among homosexuals.

I agree there's linkage there, but I don't think it's causative. Not all homosexuals are molested in childhood, so at the very least there must be some other cause.

(06-28-2015 11:49 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  I strongly doubt any pathogen cause. If it was, evidence would have showed it crystal clear long ago, such as blood transfusions from gays causing people to become gay (an undiscovered pathogen wouldn't be screened).

It's very easy to not find things you're not looking for. You would have to do a longitudinal study of young children exposed to blood transfusions by known homosexuals. This isn't something anyone has done, as far as I know. There's also a catch-22: if you believed your hypothesis it would be unethical to perform the experiment.

One has to laugh at the outpouring of support from women who aren't interested in getting married "because it's my choice and my career means more to me right now" but are still bending over backwards to show support for gay men now being free to get married in parts of the country they would never want to set foot in to begin with.

Marriage is dead.

It's not about a religious union of a man and a woman under the law with the express purpose of combining efforts to raise successful children. It's now about status whoring followed by increasingly shit sex (if at all) with an increasingly fat wife followed by a visit to the divorce rape killing field.

More than anything this proves that democracy is dead and Scalia sets that out excellently.

I wonder if anyone has done an analysis of the economic impact of this? For example, when one gay dies the other will have the right to his social security, insurance, annuities, etc. And they will be able to file taxes as married couples. They can bring other men over on K1 visas. Maybe we could even game this and marry each other for economic benefits or to get a job promotion. I mean, the system now is a joke anyway and there is no law against straight men getting married. Then when you want a real marriage with a woman you just file for a divorce, or move to a country like Russia which doesn't recognize gay marriage.

Shit's gonna get gayer and gayer at this point. All the corporations are going to jump in (if they haven't already) on this gay propaganda trend and milk it for all it's worth. Expect to see gay propaganda in full force in TV shows, films, and even videogames.

Next up: Trannies.

Remember on Idiocracy how the Fuddruckers sign morphed over time to Buttfuckers? You can count on that happening in real life at some point.

(06-28-2015 11:49 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  I strongly doubt any pathogen cause. If it was, evidence would have showed it crystal clear long ago, such as blood transfusions from gays causing people to become gay (an undiscovered pathogen wouldn't be screened).

This does not hold water. You have had many baterials and viral infections in your life, and someone who got a blood transfusion from you would not contract them all. Not every pathogen is like HIV which lasts forever.

You can read Dr. Greg Cochran on this in the below links, I do not know if his theory is true, but dismissing it out of hand because of the reasoning you gave doesn't hold water.

Quote:I HAVE a motto," Gregory Cochran told me recently. "'Big old diseases are infectious.' If it's common, higher than one in a thousand, I get suspicious. And if it's old, if it has been around for a while, I get suspicious."

The fact that Ewald has dared to conceive of a big theory for the medical sciences owes much to Cochran's contributions. A forty-five-year-old Ph.D. physicist who lives in Albuquerque with his wife and three small children, Cochran makes a living doing contract work on advanced optical systems for weaponry and other devices. Whereas Ewald is an academic insider, with department meetings to attend and honors theses to monitor, Cochran is a solo player, with an encyclopedic mind (he is a former College Bowl contestant) and a manner that verges on edginess. These days he spends a lot of time at his computer, as rapt as a conspiracy theorist, cruising Medline for new data on infectious diseases and, one imagines, almost cackling to himself when he finds something really good. Cochran's background in a field dominated by grand theories and universal laws may serve as a valuable counterpoint to the empirical and theory-hostile universe of the health sciences.

Ewald and Cochran encountered each other serendipitously, after Cochran decided to pursue a certain line of thinking about a very sensitive subject. "I was reading an article in Scientific American in 1992 about pathogens manipulating a host to get what they want," Cochran recalls. "It described a flowering plant infected by a fungus, and the fungus hijacks the plant's reproductive machinery so that instead of pollen it produces fungal spores. I thought, Could it be?" Cochran strayed from his field to try his hand at writing an article on biology -- elaborating an audacious theory that human homosexuality might result from a "manipulation" of a host by a germ with its own agenda. He sent his draft to a prestigious biology journal, which sent it out to three scientists for peer review. Two were unconvinced, even appalled; the third was Paul Ewald, who thought the article was flawed but who was nonetheless impressed by the logic of the idea. The article was rejected, but Ewald and Cochran began their association.

To illustrate his thinking about infectiousness and disease, Cochran not long ago gave me a tour of his conceptual bins, into which he sorts afflictions according to their fitness impact. Remember that fitness can be defined as the evolutionary success of one organism relative to competing organisms. Only one thing counts: getting one's genes into the future. Any disease that kills host organisms before they can reproduce reduces fitness to zero. Obviously, fitness takes a major hit whenever the reproductive system itself is involved, as in the case of venereal chlamydia.

Consider a disease with a fitness cost of one percent -- that is, a disease that takes a toll on survival or reproduction such that people who have it end up with one percent fewer offspring, on average, than the general population. That small amount adds up. If you have an inherited disease with a one percent fitness cost, in the next generation there will be 99 percent of the original number in the gene pool. Eventually the number of people with the disease will dwindle to close to zero -- or, more precisely, to the rate produced by random genetic mutations: about one in 50,000 to one in 100,000.

We were considering the bin containing diseases that are profoundly antagonistic to fitness, with a fitness cost of somewhere between one and 10 percent by Cochran's calculations. My eye took in a catalogue of human ills -- some familiar, some exotic, some historically fearsome but close to extinct, some lethal in the tropics but of little concern to inhabitants of the temperate zones. This list also showed prevailing medical opinion about cause. Each name of a disease was trailed by a lower-case letter: i (for infectious), g(genetic), g+(genetic defense against an infectious disease), e (caused by an environmental agent), or u (unknown). I read, "Atherosclerosis (u), ... chlamydia (venereal) (i), cholera (i), diphtheria (i), endometriosis (u), filariasis (i), G6PD deficiency (g+), ... hemoglobin E disease (g+), hepatitis B (i), hepatitis C (i), hookworm disease (i), kuru (i), ... malaria (vivax) (i), ... pertussis (i), pneumococcal pneumonia (i), polycystic ovary disease (u), scarlet fever (i), ... tuberculosis (i), typhoid (i), yellow fever (i)."

Of the top forty fitness-antagonistic diseases on the list, thirty-three are known to be directly infectious and three are indirectly caused by infection; Cochran believes that the others will turn out to be infectious too. The most fitness-antagonistic diseases must be infectious, not genetic, Ewald and Cochran reason, because otherwise their frequency would have sunk to the level of random mutations. The exceptions would be either diseases that could be the effect of some new environmental factor (radiation or smoking, for example), or genetic diseases that balance their fitness cost with a benefit. Sickle-cell anemia is one example of the latter.

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/iss.../germ2.htm

Further reading on Dr. Cochran's personal blog

https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/02/1...f-madness/

https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2013/01/1...nd-zebras/

It's amazing that The Atlantic, as recently as the 90s, published Cochran and Steve Sailer, whom today they most likely would not deign to mention except posisble to condemn them.

Arnold comes out in favor of gay marriage:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...riage.html

(06-28-2015 04:04 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Arnold comes out in favor of gay marriage:

This.

From the same guy who said once "I don't want no girlie men".

God damnit, I once was of the opinion of "Live and let live", and "As long as they don't try to fuck w/ me, they can do what they want behind closed doors"

Now, after all this gay shit, I'm 100% anti-gay. Next time I see one I'll tell him: Stop Being Such A Fucking Faggot.

(06-28-2015 02:31 AM)Tex Pro Wrote:  Next Fight for Gay Rights: Bias in Jobs and Housing:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/us/...rrer=&_r=0

WHAT fucking bias?

There's literally a dozen fucking pre-MBA job events that I can't attend because I don't identify as gay. They get preferential treatment.

In case you missed it, from one of the other recent threads on gay propaganda, see Gimlet's posts on how what we're seeing now was engineered... http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-47822-...pid1053233

He spent too much time being married to a kennedy.

I wonder just how many corporations and high profile individuals truly don't give a shit about gay marriage, but their PR and social media managers approached them and said, "Hey, we need to get on board with this."

I'm guessing a large majority.

SJWs and #BlackLivesMatter interrupted a Chicago gay pride parade. The pics are hilarious.

http://therightscoop.com/pandemonium-at-...ts-people/

(06-28-2015 09:08 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  SJWs and #BlackLivesMatter interrupted a Chicago gay pride parade. The pics are hilarious.

http://therightscoop.com/pandemonium-at-...ts-people/

(06-28-2015 09:08 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  SJWs and #BlackLivesMatter interrupted a Chicago gay pride parade. The pics are hilarious.

http://therightscoop.com/pandemonium-at-...ts-people/

(06-28-2015 09:08 PM)TheWastelander Wrote:  SJWs and #BlackLivesMatter interrupted a Chicago gay pride parade. The pics are hilarious.

http://therightscoop.com/pandemonium-at-...ts-people/

A "Protected Group" vs. "Protected Group" dust up.

Behold, the circular firing squad begins!