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MrLemon · 2015-06-28 00:14:00 · #306
(06-28-2015 12:08 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  This is not stoping. We are going to continue moving left, forever.

Well, we never have gone "forever" in the past. The pendulum always swings back. What's different this time?
TooFineAPoint · 2015-06-28 00:16:00 · #307
(06-27-2015 02:28 PM)DaveR Wrote:  
(06-27-2015 10:58 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  Knowing human nature, do you suppose that any group given power to "hunt down" people will always act in just and honest ways, and will never attract those who wish to abuse that power?

You need not go far into modern Russian (Soviet) history to see multitudinous examples of this.

Nobody said anything about giving power. It is a social movement very similar to the Neighbourhood Watch programmes which exist in other countries. The Police do not have the resources to monitor the internet.

Maybe you're not aware, but Russian culture is under attack from English/American homosexual organisations and they are not short of funding. Stephen Fry keeps visiting our city to attend private meetings and promote homosexual lifestyles - something which is illegal here, by the way. We've seen a wave of foreign faggot-activists arrive since he started to make documentaries mocking our religion and anti-pederasty laws.

Anyway, what is your solution to this problem? Do you really want to see faggots in medicine, education, hospitality, law enforcement, etc? It is not a pretty picture:

I must have misunderstood your statement before, because I thought you described a group sanctioned by the state. If not, my bad.

Nonetheless, the people in the neighborhood watch could easily be busybody cunts who just love to monitor people and fuck with their private life. It's a hard choice between living next to a closeted and polite homo vs a shrill harpy who needs to know what is going on with everyone (not saying everyone in your group is a shrill harpy, just making a point).

Russian culture survived the Soviets, I think it will be fine. I agree with you that the pro-gay agenda is sick and contemptible. Most of the Russians I have met (including my ex wife) see right through it and still honor quality and truth and beauty.

As to what my solution is, I think it's a fallacy to assume one can, with finality, "solve" these types of conflicts. We don't need more laws and more groups; that is what your political enemies are pushing for. Social shame generally sorts everything out. You are also wishing for the impossible if you want to keep certain subsets of people out of all these professions. If they can actually perform well in their tasks of course I want to see them in those professions. If they are whiny little queens nancing around incompetently and surviving based on quotas (more of those pesky laws), then I wish the employer would be free to fire them, and their immediate community to socially shame them. Same way I feel about alcoholics, physically abusive people, shamefully fat people, whatever weakness/degeneracy we may identify. If one can publicly identify it, and it affects their ability to interact with those around, they should feel the cold shoulder and the shame. I'm totally with you on that. But the forming of vigilante groups and the hunting down of marked persons is not the way to go. Read up on Sergei Parajanov, one of the greatest Soviet filmmakers. Shuffled away to a prison camp by the state, released a nearly broken man. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you, but it sounds like your end game is to have a strong-arm traditionalist state buffeting out the more liberal political power. That comes with its own horrors.

If you mean identifying and banishing confirmed pedos, then we completely agree.
Phoenix · 2015-06-28 00:25:00 · #308
(06-27-2015 05:44 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  Lastly, I think people arguing against homsexuals as being promiscuous is laughable, especially here. RVF celebrates and encourages promiscuity and high notch counts. One of the most popular threads in recent RVF history and one I thoroughly enjoyed involved a member going to Colombia and fucking something like 40 different women in 60 days, many times multiple new partners in the same day, many times unprotected oral, vaginal, and anal sex. And he was lauded and lionized by RVF membership.

That's not inconsistent at all. If he referred to that as a 'marriage', we'd have called bullshit.

(06-27-2015 05:40 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  With polygamy though, I think half the nation's divorce lawyers would just kill themselves.

Sweet.

(06-27-2015 01:07 PM)brob Wrote:  Live and let live.
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If someone else in the world wants a gay marriage lifestyle.. I don't fucking care. Individuals should determine for themselves what lifestyle suits them. Not society, not someone else's religion, not government.

Oh not this old line again.

It is not an individual rights question. It is not a 'live and let live' question.
If it was, they would stop at 'civil union', which has all the same legal rights as a marriage.
They do not stop at that, because 'marriage' is a definition with a type of social recognition, and they resent it's exclusive meaning and acceptance, and highjacking the word is an act of forcing general society to accept their normality.
It is one thing to permit something, and other to say 'it is normal' or to celebrate it.

I hope this puts an end to the 'let live' mutterings, but I suspect it won't.
Sonsowey · 2015-06-28 00:27:00 · #309
(06-28-2015 12:14 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  
(06-28-2015 12:08 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  This is not stoping. We are going to continue moving left, forever.

Well, we never have gone "forever" in the past. The pendulum always swings back. What's different this time?

"Forever" is obviously an exaggeration. Take it to mean "in our lifetimes".

The United States has been moving left for its entire existence. There have been a few series of pauses, but the entire story of history is the advance of leftism.

Every civil rights struggle that was "won" was a step forward for leftism. Gay marriage is just the latest in that trend.

Look at the entire history of the U.S.

Revolutionary war.

Who was more liberal, the side fighting for democracy, or the side that said "I am the King, this is my Kingdom, you damn rebels stop this insurrection". Obviously America was the "liberal" side from the beginning, and won.

Look at the civil war. Who was more liberal, the slave-holding side or the side that abolished slavery? Liberals won, of course.

The Roosevelts established a government that began regulating many things it had never dreamed of before. How did conservatives do in the early 1900s? They were laughed out of town. FDRs government to them looked like a monstrosity, to us now it looks tame. Hell Conservatives today wouldn't dream of even rolling back anything to the 1930s! They'd at most hope for, what, rolling it back to 2003? 1998?

The civil rights era, who won that fight?

Now gay marriage, etc. who is winning?

The old conservative causes are completely lost. Despite you calling for WV militia uprisings against gay marriage, which sets you pretty much near the extreme end of the right wing, would you even advocate repealing past liberal advances at all? What do you want to go back to, the 1990s? You see that as liberals advance, their past victories are solidified in the history books as "the right side of history", taught with the full force of our propaganda machine, reinforced in schools, tv, government etc.

So I don't see any pendulum swinging back and forth. The gay marriage stuff started under Bush, when Republicans controlled the Presidency, Congress, and had just, according to rabid liberals, "stuffed the Supreme Court". You'll remember tons of article sfrom the mid 2000s where liberals were shitting themselves that the Supreme Court might start rolling back past liberal victories. They were completely wrong.

Kids will definitely be taught Gay Everything in school, and it will seem just as normal to them as everything else they're taught there. Maybe some will still think conservative thoughts, but most will think their parents are "just old fashioned" and "on the wrong side of history" and buy the liberal brainwashing completely.
Samseau · 2015-06-28 01:31:00 · #310
^ The "moving left forever" ends when there's no more money to support this system. Right now America isn't producing nearly enough wealth to sustain itself. It's going bankrupt this century, and then things will return to, "The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must." Faggots won't last a year in these circumstances.

When the pendulum swings back, it won't be a "swing," it will be more like the clock exploding and the pendulum flies out of the machine and never swings again. America's entire system is running on faggotry, debt, coercion, mass media deception - pure lies.

What made America great came from the Kings of old - Patriarchy, Christianity, and Community Loyalty. The reason America has been able to keep up degeneracy for so long is because America had so much inertia from its upstanding old European traditions which were built on truths of human nature.

So all the degeneracy you see now is only sustained by the once great achievements of our old civilization, and once these things are gone so will our technology, our wealth, our peace and order, etc. Mad max will look downright utopian compared to what's coming to this barren continent.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48290-...pid1044763
Samseau · 2015-06-28 01:35:00 · #311
(06-27-2015 06:30 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  Seriously, cite me some reliable evidence that shows that gay men are more likely to abuse children than straight men, or that there are organized mafias of gay men who adopt children to sodomize them.

I already have, first post pg. 2 of this thread, pretty sad you still haven't read it. Just shows how brainwashed you are, completely unable to challenge your preconceived notions. Somehow the faggots got you good.
eradicator · 2015-06-28 01:44:00 · #312
(06-28-2015 01:31 AM)Samseau Wrote:  So all the degeneracy you see now is only sustained by the once great achievements of our old civilization, and once these things are gone so will our technology, our wealth, our peace and order, etc. Mad max will look downright utopian compared to what's coming to this barren continent.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48290-...pid1044763

Yikes, I thought I was a guy who sometimes sees the glass as half empty about these sorts of things, not saying you are wrong about any of it, but I don't know that things are as bleak as you describe. I can have that conversation, but not sure if this is the right thread for it.
blacknwhitespade · 2015-06-28 02:02:00 · #313
(06-28-2015 12:27 AM)Sonsowey Wrote:  So I don't see any pendulum swinging back and forth. The gay marriage stuff started under Bush, when Republicans controlled the Presidency, Congress, and had just, according to rabid liberals, "stuffed the Supreme Court". You'll remember tons of article sfrom the mid 2000s where liberals were shitting themselves that the Supreme Court might start rolling back past liberal victories. They were completely wrong.

Kids will definitely be taught Gay Everything in school, and it will seem just as normal to them as everything else they're taught there. Maybe some will still think conservative thoughts, but most will think their parents are "just old fashioned" and "on the wrong side of history" and buy the liberal brainwashing completely.

The pendulum will not swing back in the era of the United States as we know it. But I agree with Samseau, that there will come a point where the pendulum will come swinging back off the gears and crashing out of the clock altogether, e.g. the end of the United States. Like the Roman Empire, Ancient Greece, Babylon, the Incas, the Aztecs, the Persians, various Chinese dynasties, the United States will indeed collapse, and for many the same reasons those civilizations collapsed. We've become a highly over diversified, over bloated nation that has now almost completely thrown its own roots under the bus. We are now just a vast continental swath of people that occupy a large chunk of North America, ticking down towards a more "official" looking disintegration.

This is why I actually don't feel so bad, or traitorous, for currently pursuing a foreign wife. I believe in roots and loyalty to country, community, but if my community offers me no foreseeable way to obtain a wife-material woman, and my country isn't all that anymore anyways, then happier abroad it is. I just need to figure out where I am going to live, and to your point, how I am going to educate my children without them being poisoned by the lies of the LGBT agenda and other nonsense propaganda. Perhaps all the more reason for me to be seriously considering other countries to base my family out of once I am married and raising my children.
speakeasy · 2015-06-28 02:28:00 · #314
@Sonsowey

You forgot a few other important ones. Abortion, immigration, secularization, multiculturalism, environmentalism, feminism, progressive taxation(except the Reagan-era reversal), government spending. Only thing they haven't made much ground in is banning guns. I don't see that happening. That's the one thing that I think would lead to a second civil war. Not an ideological one, a bloody one.

I'm thinking about this heavily now. I guess anywhere around the world you look, things gradually move left. Some more slowly than others, but they eventually do. I think there's only one way to move right, and that's by authoritarian dictatorship, or theocracy(not that I believe in that). Without either one of those, liberalism is the end result.

Nobody is turning any clock back on America. That wouldn't be possible unless you had NK level authoritarianism on steroids where everyone was literally terrified and outspoken leftists simply "vanished" in the middle of the night like Chile under Pinochet.

When a country's mantra is freedom, then liberalism is what you will end up with. freedom is the enemy of traditionalism. It's freedom to break with the past and everyone to do their own thing. Freedom from religion, norms and customs.
Tex Pro · 2015-06-28 02:31:00 · #315
Next Fight for Gay Rights: Bias in Jobs and Housing:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/28/us/...rrer=&_r=0
godfather dust · 2015-06-28 02:35:00 · #316
The end result of this is Armageddon.

Step one: Legalize gay marriage.

Step two: Legions of gaylords adopt harems of young boys to diddle. Scandal ensues. Something must be done!

But we can't take away their rights. We are all equal/ the same, except the evil Christians.

Step three: Cameras in every home to stop the molestation, then take the guns, then the diabolical Holocaust, etc.

Fucking faggots.
porscheguy · 2015-06-28 02:40:00 · #317
(06-27-2015 08:17 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  You may think it doesn't matter, until they come after you.
They won't come after me.
(06-27-2015 08:17 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  You may think that you can go back to just gaming chicks and burying your head in the sand, until they come after you.
Again, they won't come after me.
(06-27-2015 08:17 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  You may think that this shit doesn't affect you, until you can't find a job.
Why would I be unable to find employment?
(06-27-2015 08:17 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  You may think that this shit doesn't matter, until you have to put your kid in a school with a teacher who is married to someone of the same gender.
I don't have kids. And BTW, you don't think you had at least one gay teacher throughout your educational career? I know I did.
(06-27-2015 08:17 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  You may think you can just "go your own way" until you find out that there is no where else to go.
I've always done things my way. Where and why would I be running anyway?
(06-27-2015 08:17 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  You may think that we're being extreme or radical, until you truly feel what it's like to be on the receiving end of the Jacobins.
My straight, white male privilege prevents me from feeling persecuted.
(06-27-2015 08:17 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Lines are slowly being drawn. You have to decide what it is you believe in. You have to decide what your value system is.
I don't have to do ONE MOTHERFUCKING THING. But if you must know, I believe in me, and doing what's best for me. That's really all that matters.
(06-27-2015 08:17 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  Because if you don't, they will decide for you.
Who are "they?" And what will "they" be deciding for me?

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(06-27-2015 08:35 PM)Dusty Wrote:  You may think that this shit doesn't affect you, until you're handcuffed for "rape" for not getting affirmative consent.
I'm too old to fuck crazies. I don't really worry about this anymore.
(06-27-2015 08:35 PM)Dusty Wrote:  You may think that this shit doesn't affect you, until someone looks over your shoulder and sees you logged into RvF and gets your screen name and researches your posts, and you're fired and blacklisted by HR departments everywhere for being a "misogynist."
I don't use work computers for ANY personal matters whatsoever. And honestly, if I had subordinates and I discovered they were looking at this site on the company computer, I'd be inclined to shit can them as well. Same goes for sites like twitter or facebook. I wouldn't do it because I find the content of these sites objectionable, I'd do it because they're fucking off on my dime. That's part of the whole "don't shit where you eat" philosophy.
(06-27-2015 08:35 PM)Dusty Wrote:  You may think that this shit doesn't affect you, until you're gay, tranny and fat feminist co-workers mock you at work for being a shitlord cisgendered hetero, and you can't say anything back.
It doesn't really affect me. The only thing I know about the term "shitlord" is that feminists conjured it up, and I don't really pay attention to them. As for being mocked for being a cisgendered hetero, that's not really possible. I'm about as straight as it gets. I can't be mocked for adhering to behavioral codes that are pre-programmed into every cell in my body. The only way I could feel mocked or teased for my sexual orientation is if I was uncertain or insecure about it.
Sonsowey · 2015-06-28 02:52:00 · #318
(06-28-2015 02:28 AM)speakeasy Wrote:  I'm thinking about this heavily now. I guess anywhere around the world you look, things gradually move left. Some more slowly than others, but they eventually do. I think there's only one way to move right, and that's by authoritarian dictatorship, or theocracy(not that I believe in that). Without either one of those, liberalism is the end result.

There are a few models out there.

Islam has a good track record of running back liberalism, but of course some rather unpleasant side effects.

The Lee Kwan Yew model, which basically has not been replicated anywhere.

There are also right-wing military dictatorships, Pinochet comes to mind. Chile today is the best Latin American country on a per-capita basis in basically any measure you can imagine.
Phoenix · 2015-06-28 03:04:00 · #319
(06-28-2015 02:40 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  I believe in me, and doing what's best for me. That's really all that matters.

It's not that simple, porsche. Doing what's best for you requires liberty, and you're going to find that your liberty is increasingly infringed upon by social justice warriors. Expect "freedom of association" to go first. Expect to be compelled to satisfy the wants of some gays lest you lose your business, your job, or your organization (church or otherwise).

There is also the question of reproduction. Our lives are not just individual standalone occurrences, but links in a chain. You may well be able to maximize your individual position, but your children may well run out of "dry land" untouched by the putrid moral mess your generation failed to dredge.
porscheguy · 2015-06-28 03:36:00 · #320
(06-28-2015 03:04 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  It's not that simple, porsche. Doing what's best for you requires liberty, and you're going to find that your liberty is increasingly infringed upon by social justice warriors. Expect "freedom of association" to go first. Expect to be compelled to satisfy the wants of some gays lest you lose your business, your job, or your organization (church or otherwise).
In a business or employment context, would a fag want something different than a straight person?

(06-28-2015 03:04 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  There is also the question of reproduction. Our lives are not just individual standalone occurrences, but links in a chain. You may well be able to maximize your individual position, but your children may well run out of "dry land" untouched by the putrid moral mess your generation failed to dredge.
I'm approaching 40 and I have no kids. Fact of the matter is I'm not going to be having children at this age. In another year or two I'm going to have a vasectomy. The path in front of me ends when I take my last breath. Nothing matters beyond that.
Sonsowey · 2015-06-28 03:41:00 · #321
I'm approaching 40 and I have no kids. Fact of the matter is I'm not going to be having children at this age. In another year or two I'm going to have a vasectomy. The path in front of me ends when I take my last breath. Nothing matters beyond that.
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Well if you accept the void like that, then you are fine.
Phoenix · 2015-06-28 03:41:00 · #322
(06-28-2015 03:36 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  In a business or employment context, would a fag want something different than a straight person?
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/oregon...-gay-weddi

(06-28-2015 03:36 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  I'm approaching 40 and I have no kids. Fact of the matter is I'm not going to be having children at this age. In another year or two I'm going to have a vasectomy. The path in front of me ends when I take my last breath. Nothing matters beyond that.

Then this is the origin of your sentiment, certainly no moral grounding. The rest of us want to follow the standard life of a man. Otherwise, sure, social degeneration objectively doesn't matter.
KorbenDallas · 2015-06-28 03:45:00 · #323
Porscheguy-

What an inspiration you are. 250,000 years of your human ancestors doing what it takes to pass on the gift of life to the next generation. Some slaves, some powerful, some not, others warriors, others conquerors, and you...who live in a country that hands out a passport where you can go anywhere in the world, fail to pass on the gift of life.

You seem so happy writing snarky replies to an intelligent mans warning of the encroaching immorality that will effect others children, religious beliefs, and way of life. Everyone can tell how enthused and full of life you are.

Surely, there can be no doubt from your responses here, that anyone who reads your comments will come to any conclusion other than you told everyone and are assuredly living a fulfilling life mutilating your dick to ensure a 100% chance of reproductive failure.

I can only sit in awe of your tolerance and intellect.
Sonsowey · 2015-06-28 03:59:00 · #324
(06-28-2015 01:31 AM)Samseau Wrote:  ^ The "moving left forever" ends when there's no more money to support this system... Mad max will look downright utopian compared to what's coming to this barren continent.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48290-...pid1044763

(06-28-2015 02:02 AM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  there will come a point where the pendulum will come swinging back off the gears and crashing out of the clock altogether, e.g. the end of the United States. Like the Roman Empire, Ancient Greece, Babylon, the Incas, the Aztecs, the Persians, various Chinese dynasties, the United States will indeed collapse.

This is really an interesting topic to think about, I have serious doubts that we will see a collapse in the way ancient societies collapsed. To truly have a collapse like the collapse of the Western Roman Empire, where humanity does not recover for centuries or even a thousand years... I just cannot imagine that happening. A literal Mad Max scenario, equally seems unlikely.

I don't see how there could possibly be such a power vacuum in the U.S. with so many weapons around. Human power is basically all based around violence, and whoever has the biggest guns wins. Thus even if, formally, The United States of America ceased existing, whatever the successor state might be would at least have a huge military at its disposal with which to maintain order.

Look for instance to the collapse of the Soviet Union. The world's largest "country" dissolved and broke up into dozens of states. They had a couple decades of chaos, lots of corruption, but the breakup of the Soviet Union is nothing on the scale of classical civilizational collapses. People may complain about poorer quality public services but that's relatively small beans compared to actually thinking Mad Max is a possible outcome for us.

You could look to Iraq or Syria as a worse case scenario I guess, even then, not Mad Max, though you're getting much closer.

If you're really expecting the worst, I guess Haiti or Somalia could be your worst case scenario, but I don't see how we get there anytime soon.

Our financial power and the dollar's status as the world's currency is largely based around our military power. We can always print more money to pay our debts because whoever you are, you have to take our money because we have nuclear missiles covering the entire planet. China cannot just not accept our dollars as payment, and the fears of hyperinflation have been nonstop since 2008 yet have failed to materialize. There truly has never been a country/empire/world power on the scale of the United States.

That isn't to say that The United States of America is eternal or will last for 1,000 years. But I just don't see a realistic situation where the U.S. collapses and there is a huge power vacuum that goes unfilled to the point that we re-enter the stone age. Our standard of living may drop down to converge with the rest of the Americas, but even a standard of living on par with Mexico is not Mad Max. Yet for there to be true chaos you need a power vacuum that goes unfilled, to the point that a few assholes with some guns and cars could legitimately be the biggest source of power around. How could that possibly happen in a country that has such a massive military?

If you start talking about 100 + years in the future, no one can really predict much with any accuracy, so we're into the realm of science fiction...

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But now I've started with the "I don't see this happening anytime soon" stuff which is basically a surefire way to ensure that something does in fact happen.

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I've just read Rudyard Kipling's short poem God of the Copybook Headings which talks about this in incredibly pertinent detail:

http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Readings/gods.html
VolandoVengoVolandoVoy · 2015-06-28 07:53:00 · #325
(06-28-2015 01:35 AM)Samseau Wrote:  
(06-27-2015 06:30 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  Seriously, cite me some reliable evidence that shows that gay men are more likely to abuse children than straight men, or that there are organized mafias of gay men who adopt children to sodomize them.

I already have, first post pg. 2 of this thread, pretty sad you still haven't read it. Just shows how brainwashed you are, completely unable to challenge your preconceived notions. Somehow the faggots got you good.

You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. I read your source, and since it had nothing to do with the issue at hand, I ignored it. But since you persist in mischaracterizing it, I will correct you so that others don't also fall prey to misinformation.

It's pretty sad that you fail to understand your own sources.

You pointed to a single study from 2001 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300) which stated "Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. Twenty-two percent of lesbian women in contrast to 1% of heterosexual women reported homosexual molestation."

What does this mean? Does it men that gay men or women molest children more often than straight men or women? No, it does not.

All it shows is that there is a potential correlation between the kind of childhood molestation and the development of adult sexual orientation. It doesn't even prove this as a causal relationship.

Again, show me any proof to support your accusation that gay men molest children at a greater rate than straight men.

All you have shown up to this point is that according to a single study, when a child is molested by a homosexual, that child is potentially more likely to sexually orient as a homosexual in adulthood. That has a lot more to do with the impact of early experience to adult development than on anything special about homosexuality. If those same children had been molested by their aunts instead of their uncles, they would be more likely to be straight.

But again, this has nothing to do with the propensity of adults of either sexual orientation to molest children.
DaveR · 2015-06-28 08:15:00 · #326
(06-28-2015 07:53 AM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  ... left-wing drivel ...

http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/

Since the link was established, psychologists have, under political pressure, started to classify pedophilia as a distinct orientation. They claim that pedophiles are neither heterosexual nor homosexual, but attracted primarily to children and have simply been living false lives due to their mental illness. They have not yet explained why faggots molest underage boys more frequently than underage girls.
You can see the definition-twisting in the following study:
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/...tory_study

And on the political side:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germ...19119.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...abuse.html
scorpion · 2015-06-28 08:24:00 · #327
I took the time to paste this directly into a readable format because I want everyone to read it. There is absolutely no question that homosexuals are extremely overrepresented among pedophiles. Volando, if you consider yourself a man of science and logic, I encourage you to look at the facts below. The article is fully sourced. The reality is that homosexuals are, first and foremost, sexual perverts. Homosexuality is a perversion. We also know for a fact that homosexuals participate disproportionately in other perversions like BDSM and group sex. It's not really surprising, then, to learn that they also engage disproportionately in the perversion of pedophilia.

The Scientific Evidence

Three kinds of scientific evidence point to the proportion of homosexual molestation: 1) survey reports of molestation in the general population, 2) surveys of those caught and convicted of molestation, and 3) what homosexuals themselves have reported. These three lines of evidence suggest that the 1%-to-3% of adults who practice homosexuality3 account for between a fifth and a third of all child molestation.

Reports of Molestation by the General Population

In 1983, a probability survey of the sexual experiences of 4,340 adults in five U.S. cities found that about 3% of men and 7% of women reported sexual involvement with a man before the age of 13 (i.e., 30% was homosexual).4

In 1983-84, a random survey of 3,132 adults in Los Angeles found that 3.8% of men and 6.8% of women said that they had been sexually assaulted in childhood. Since 93% of the assailants were male, and only 1% of girls had been assaulted by females, about 35% of the assaults were homosexual.5

The Los Angeles Times surveyed 2,628 adults across the U.S. in 1985.6 27% of the women and 16% of the men claimed to have been sexually molested. Since 7% of the molestations of girls and 93% of the molestations of boys were by adults of the same sex, about 4 of every 10 molestations in this survey were homosexual.

In a random survey of British 15-to-19 yr olds, 35% of the boys and 9% of the girls claimed to have been approached for sex by adult homosexuals and 2% of the boys and 1% of the girls admitted to succumbing.7

In science, a review of the professional literature published in a refereed scientific journal is considered to be an accurate summary of the current state of knowledge. One of the most comprehensive such reviews was published in 1985.8 It concluded that homosexual acts were involved in 25% to 40% of the cases of child molestation recorded in the scientific and forensic literature.

Surveys of Those Convicted

Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two sizeable studies and calculated that 34% and 32% of the offenders against children were homosexual. In cases they had personally handled, homosexuals accounted for 36% of their 457 pedophiles.9

Dr. Adrian Copeland, a psychiatrist who works with sexual offenders at the Peters Institute in Philadelphia, said that, from his experience, pedophiles tend to be homosexual and “40% to 45%” of child molesters have had “significant homosexual experiences.”10

Dr. C.H. McGaghy estimated that “homosexual offenders probably constitute about half of molesters who work with children.”11 Other studies are similar:

  • Of the approximately 100 child molesters in 1991 at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third bisexual, and a third homosexual in orientation.12
  • A state-wide survey of 161 Vermont adolescents who committed sex offenses in 1984 found that 35 (22%) were homosexual.13
  • Of the 91 molesters of non-related children at Canada’s Kingston Sexual Behaviour Clinic from 1978 to 1984, 38 (42%) engaged in homosexuality.14
  • Of 52 child molesters in Ottawa from 1983 to 1985, 31 (60%) were homosexual.15
  • In England for 1973, 802 persons (8 females) were convicted of indecent assault on a male, and 3,006 (6 of them female) were convicted of indecent assault on a female (i.e., 21% were homosexual). 88% of male and about 70% of female victims were under age sixteen.16

Because of this pattern, Judge J.T. Rees concluded that

“the male homosexual naturally seeks the company of the male adolescent, or of the young male adult, in preference to that of the fully-grown man. [In 1947] 986 persons were convicted of homosexual and unnatural offences. Of those, 257 were indictable offences involving 402 male victims…. The great majority of [whom]… were under the age of 16. Only 11%… were over 21.”

“[T]he problem of male homosexuality is in essence the problem of the corruption of youth by itself [i.e., by other boys] and by its elders. [And thereby]… the creation… of new addicts ready to corrupt a still further generation of young men and boys in the future.”17

What Homosexuals Admit


The 1948 Kinsey survey found that 37% of the gays and 2% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-17-yr-olds, and 28% of the gays and 1% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-16-yr-olds while they themselves were aged 18 or older.18

In 1970 the Kinsey Institute interviewed 565 white gays in San Francisco: 25% of them admitted to having had sex with boys aged 16 or younger while they themselves were at least 21.19

In The Gay Report, 23% of the gays and 6% of the lesbians admitted to sexual interaction with youth less than 16 years of age.20

In France, 129 convicted gays (average age 34 years) said they had had sexual contact with a total of 11,007 boys (an average of 85 different boys per man).21 Abel, et al reported similarly that men who molested girls outside their family had averaged 20 victims each; those who molested boys averaged 150 victims each.22

Summary

About a third of the reports of molestation by the populace have involved homosexuality. Likewise, between a fifth and a third of those who have been caught and/or convicted practiced homosexuality. Finally, a fifth to a third of surveyed gays admitted to child molestation. All-in-all, a rather consistent story.

Teacher-Pupil Sexual Interaction

Nowadays parents are labeled bigots for fearing that homosexual teachers might molest their children. But if homosexuals are more apt to molest children and are in a positon to take advantage of them, this fear makes sense. Indeed, accounts of disproportionate homosexual teacher molestation appear throughout the scientific literature.

The original U.S. Kinsey study reported that 4% of the non-criminal white gays and 7% of the non-criminal white lesbians reported that they had their first homosexual experience with a ‘teacher or other caretaker.’ None of the heterosexuals were recorded as having a teacher as their first sex partner.18

In England, Schofield reported that at least 2 of his 150 homosexuals had their first homosexual experience with a teacher and an additional 2 reported that their first homosexual contact with an adult was with a teacher. One of the 50 men in his comparison group had also been seduced by a homosexual teacher, while none of the men interviewed claimed involvement with a heterosexual teacher.24

In the 1978 McCall’s magazine study of 1,400 principals, 7% reported complaints about homosexual contact between teachers and pupils and 13% reported complaints about heterosexual contact between teachers and pupils (i.e., 35% of complaints were homosexual). Two percent “knew of instances in which teachers discussed their homosexuality in class.”25

Of 400 consecutive Australian cases of molestation, 7 boys and 4 girls were assaulted by male teachers. Thus 64% of those assaults were homosexual.26

In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin, associate professor of psychology at Whitman College, conducted a 10-state survey and found 199 sexual abuse cases involving teachers. 122 male teachers had abused female pupils and 14 female teachers had abused male students. In 59 cases, however, male teachers had abused male pupils and in 4 cases female teachers had abused female students (overall 32% were homosexual).27

A 1983 survey asked 4,340 adults to report on any sexual advances and any physical sexual contact by elementary and secondary teachers (4% of those who were teachers in the survey claimed to be bisexual or homosexual). 29% of the advances by elementary and 16% of the advances by secondary school teachers were homosexual. In addition, 1 of 4 (25%) reports of actual sexual contact with an elementary school teacher were homosexual. In high school, 8 (22%) of 37 contacts between teacher and pupil were homosexual. 18% reported having had a homosexual teacher (8% of those over the age of 55 vs. 25% of those under 26). Of those reporting a homosexual teacher, 6% said that the teacher influenced them to try homosexuality and 13% of the men and 4% of the women said that the teacher made sexual advances toward them.4

Summary

Whether examining surveys of the general populace or counts of those caught, homosexual teachers are disproportionately apt to become sexually involved with children.

Proportionality Is The Key

Study after nationwide study has yielded estimates of male homosexuality that range between 1% and 3%.3 The proportion of lesbians in these studies is almost always lower, usually about half that of gays. So, overall, perhaps 2% of adults regularly indulge in homosexuality. Yet they account for between 20% to 40% of all molestations of children.

Child molestation is not to be taken lightly. Officials at a facility which serves about 1,500 runaway youngsters each year estimate that about half of the boys have been homosexually abused and 90% of the girls heterosexually assaulted.30 Investigation of those suffering severe chronic mental illness implicates child molestation as a primary cause; 45% of Bigras et al’s patients were homosexually abused).31

If 2% of the population is responsible for 20% to 40% of something as socially and personally troubling as child molestation, something must be desperately wrong with that 2%. Not every homosexual is a child molester. But enough gays do molest children so that the risk of a homosexual molesting a child is 10 to 20 times greater than that of a heterosexual.

Goals of the Gay Movement

The gay movement is forthright about seeking to legitimize child-adult homosexual sex. In 1987, The Journal of Homosexuality — the scholarly organ of the gay rights movement — published “Pedophilia and the Gay Movement.”32 Author Theo Sandfort detailed homosexual efforts to end “oppression towards pedophilia.” In 1980, the largest Dutch gay organization (the COC)

“adopted the position that the liberation of pedophilia must be viewed as a gay issue… [and that] ages of consent should therefore be abolished… by acknowledging the affinity between homosexuality and pedophilia, the COC has quite possibly made it easier for homosexual adults to become more sensitive to erotic desires of younger members of their sex, thereby broadening gay identity.”

In 1990, COC achieved a significant victory: lowering of the age of consent for homosexual sex in Holland to 12 (unless the parents object, in which case it goes up to 15).33

In the U.S. and Canada, the North American Man-Boy Love Association marches proudly in many gay pride parades with the stated goal of removing the barriers to man-boy sex. Note the phrases “oppression towards pedophilia” and “liberation of pedophilia.” It is clear that those who advocate the legalization of sex between adults and children intend to argue that such conduct is a “civil right,” deserving of the same legal protections afforded to other minorities. A large proportion of Americans regard that argument as a mere pretext to giving “sexual predators” free reign to take advantage of vulnerable children.

Conclusion

Not only is the gay rights movement upfront in its desire to legitimize sex with children, but whether indexed by population reports of molestation, pedophile convictions, or teacher-pupil assaults, there is a strong, disproportionate association between child molestation and homosexuality. Ann Landers’ claim that homosexuals molest children at no higher a rate than heterosexuals do is untrue. The assertion by gay leaders and the American Psychological Association that a homosexual is less likely than a heterosexual to molest children is patently false.

Source: http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2009/0...xuality-2/
Foolsgo1d · 2015-06-28 08:46:00 · #328
The people that harp on about wanting man-boy love to be legitimate can squark all they want. Any man who touches my child would be in danger of visiting his ancestors. And I am quite sure the vast majority of fathers think the same way.
Libertas · 2015-06-28 09:18:00 · #329
Kind of disheartening to see so many guys here barely being able to look past their own noses. If it were just about letting gay dudes fuck each other and do what they want in private without persecution this wouldn't be a problem, but the movement goes way beyond that. Remember, the left never stops at tolerance.

The first problem of course is the fanaticism of the people supporting this, at least actively. Remember that these people want to completely erase history and replace all norms of civilization with nothing but their own degeneracy and their own aggrandizement, and they can very successfully persecute you for dissenting. That's why this is so dangerous - they are being emboldened. It's gotten to the point where these people are now sometimes moving in days to try and make their next gains - and if you dissent you must be destroyed.

The second problem is that this is a stepping stone to other, more socially destructive forms of behavior under the guise of "love." They'll ride the transgender wave next, which is now cresting, in order for us to accept a clear delusion, and some of you might even disagree on the same grounds. Again, if it was simply letting them do what they wanted in private without fear of persecution, it wouldn't be as problematic, but we know that's never where the left stops. They will move on to polygamy after transgenderism, which as I have already noted, is incredibly destructive for a stable society - and its prohibition was one of the bedrocks on which Western civilization was built.

Slippery slope you say? No, because we know that's how these people work. It's been demonstrated on far too many occasions to count, and when the dissenting supreme court justices themselves make mention of this, you know you have to take it seriously. This was the first major, legal step toward the complete, blanket deregulation of personal relationships in the eyes of the law, and there will be consequences.

This is not about LGBT people themselves. Don't fall for that red herring. This is about power and the vision of degenerate ideologues to deconstruct Western civilization for their own gain, and replace it with nothing except their own failings as people.
demolition · 2015-06-28 09:31:00 · #330
One of the things that is a confounding factor in getting good data is that the sources that should normally be relied upon to make informed decisions are actually some of the most partisan forces in favor of homosexuality (and other deviant behaviors).

I don't want to get too much into my personal life but I've known multiple people who were active and well respected members of the American Psychological Association : Fact of the matter is, the organization is solidly leftist, to the point where Psychologists themselves acknowledge this bias and make noises lamenting the fact, but overwhelmingly are ok with the overtly hostile nature of the APA to anything resembling a conservative or non-leftist position.

Similarly, sociologists are well known to essentially be partisan hacks. Greg Cochcran calls sociology inverse weathervanes.

Recently it came out that Michael LaCour was uncovered as a huge fraud in his research into gay marriage. Knowing how partisan and corrupt the major academic interests into this field are, though, it's hard to believe almost any of their data or proclamations. I'm equally skeptical of religiously motivated data, but it wouldn't surprise me if virtually all research on homosexuality, homosexual marriage, etc in the past 30 years were fraudulent.
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