Post: #26

(06-21-2015 07:08 PM)TrueSlyr Wrote:  

(06-21-2015 07:05 PM)Menace Wrote:  After a certain point it's just about enjoying life and the company of women you like. I think you've reached that point. No more "game" is necessary.

I'm trying to improve my success rate though lol. I think you can always improve your game especially if you're using a specific strategy

Fair point, so what is your success rate? 30 bangs doesn't mean anything without context. How many girls do you contact in order to get 1 bang?

Post: #27

(06-22-2015 08:29 AM)andydandy1976 Wrote:  I met this chick out of the mall in Miami, she is Cuban solid 7. After few days I text her, she was pretty interested and pre-qualified herself. She asked me Facebook, and the day after I invite her for a drink to a party.
Wendsday night we went for a drink and had something to eat. Before going out she shit test me: About that have I have pics with girls on my profile? I basically asked if she like to go out with gay guys or if she like hetero. She says no but not with crazy guys that go out on a lot of dates.. I tell her that we are just going to a party and there are a lot of people to hang out.

While I am driving to the party vibe is cool, I kino her and she is very flirty and attracted. When we are there we have a couple of drinks and I introduce to a friend and he mentions another party next week. I tell her not to invite her that she has to behave first..
This is the critical part: she still continue with the shit test. Oh are you going to invite other girls? I said that in that party the food is not that good, and don' t feel is good to go...

I think I fucked it up here and should have handled this more strongly?
Anyway we get out of the party we walk for a little then we go to eat some pizza. Then I tell here I made an awesome cake and we will try in in my house. We go to my house even dough she mentioned earlier that tomorrow she has a test there is strong attraction so I decide to go along.
We go to my house have some cake and give a bit of a drink. We start to kiss slowly and she gets pretty aroused. Then she pulls out says that she has to leave. I bring her to her car then we make out again. 2 days after I text her. She does not reply. Yesterday I text on facebook asking what happened to her? she did not reply. I know she is a classic latina trying to find somebody to support her and treat her like princess. I live in great penthouse overlooking the ocean, but I am not that guy any advice to bang her? or is it' s too late?

Facebook add was a bad idea. Post a screenshot of your text interaction and I'll tell you what to do.

Post: #28

So for the younger guys (under 25) looking to get as many bangs as possible, the advice "follow your passsion" - Don't follow it. Follow the money so you can get a nice dig and secure the bang.

Post: #29

It works better, when you are younger, because a young guy with a more or less decent place in a good dating environment is going to pull that way. If you try the same at 35, then it won't work that well, because you are instantly leading with cash - also not even much with that.

If it works, then go at it. Also some of the posts you put out were by absolute yes girls, who breached fucking first. Not much Game required there.

Money - connected points like cars, apartments or houses work differently with a guy in his 20s vs 30+ or 40+.

Post: #30

This sounds like a great strategy. "Dates" are a set-up for failure.

The quickest sex I ever had was part of a phone relationship with a woman* that heated up to the point of her just frantically coming over and screwing me. Had we gone on a date, all the sexual energy would have been drained.

That said, I think this strategy works best if you live in a place like Manhattan or L.A., where the energy is high and people are on the go. I don't see this working in suburbia.

I was originally going to say this would work in a college dorm. It did back in my day. But colleges now seem like exactly the place where you *wouldn't* want to have quickie bangs.

We need to further explore this subject. There's something to be said about taking dates out of the equation.

* True story: It was the pre-Internet era. She was a Russian girl that kept calling my place looking for a pharmacy (the phone numbers were similar). I was intrigued by her accent and chatted her up. We kept having late nite convos that got more and more heated. I was seeing someone and declined to meet her. Finally the sex talk got so out of control she just came over. Didn't matter that she was almost a head taller than me because she entered my condo like she was a cat in heat. Life should be this easy all the time. Had I "taken her out" I'd have failed 20 different ways starting with height.

Post: #31

(06-22-2015 02:02 PM)BrazilianCocaine Wrote:  So for the younger guys (under 25) looking to get as many bangs as possible, the advice "follow your passsion" - Don't follow it. Follow the money so you can get a nice dig and secure the bang.

This x 100.

Follow. The. Money.

I spent my teens and 20s pursuing my passion. While it was a great experience and in a parallel universe where male-female relations aren't this bad, I would have done it again.

But if you want to get lots of fast tail in a Western country like the OP is doing, or become location independent as soon as possible, follow the money.

I'm 35 and I'd love to employ this strategy, but it probably won't be as effective given my location and context.

Post: #32

I'm in NYC, and have a spacious well-located apartment - no 50th floor Central Park view - but bangs from Tinder are easy enough without showing off my place.

Admittedly, the online quality now is a lot worse than 2013-2014, and women are less receptive than they were when Tinder first was released.

I would say it is safe to assume that very few of these 30+ girls, if any, are above a 6. I can get girls to come over for sex right away, but they will never be more attractive than I am. Usually the girls that will come over right away are 2-3 rating points lower than I am, with the exception of the occasional European tourist.

If one wants real quality, they must actually game, not just sit around and expect models to waltz into your apartment just because the view is good. I guess that would be the next step for the OP to take - realizing he has the SMV to get the easy girls off the internet, and going out into the city to chase the top prizes.

Post: #33

(06-21-2015 07:05 PM)Kamikaze Wrote:  Two words:

dick pics

I got you one better.

Dick picks with a view!

G

Post: #34

(06-21-2015 09:13 PM)TrueSlyr Wrote:  We hangout in the living room first. I've got a 50-inch flat screen for entertainment purposes. Having a roommate isn't an issue at all. At times it actually helps because i can say my roommate is going to sleep now, lets hangout in my room to avoid him hearing the noise from the television.

Ok it seems to be working very well - that's cool. But $ 2000 per person is actually not that much in NYC. I mean, I'm sure it's a great apartment, but $ 2000 in NYC should definitely be doable. So if you have a really great apt for $2000 that helps you bag chicks, I think quite many people in NYC actually could be doing that no?

Post: #35

(06-22-2015 02:17 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  We need to further explore this subject. There's something to be said about taking dates out of the equation.

I've been preaching about that exact subject here: Zero Date Bangs: Reduce Your Variables, Bang More Girls

(06-21-2015 04:57 PM)TrueSlyr Wrote:  But of course, it doesn't always work... and I think I can improve on it so my success rate % increases.

You haven't really told us all that much, and what you have told us is all about your successes.

Can you share some of the failures you've experienced? Where do you feel like you need improvement? Where in the process are you losing girls?

Are they rejecting invites? Are they rejecting your advances once they come over?

Give us a few stories of when things went wrong, and then maybe we can offer some critique to help you improve.

Post: #36

What kind of photo is it? Just off the balcony of the view? Foreground balcony background view? Foreground swanky living room background balcony/view? Is it professinally done with outdoor and indoor lighting balanced or just a cellphone phone PIC?

Post: #37

(06-22-2015 02:08 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  It works better, when you are younger, because a young guy with a more or less decent place in a good dating environment is going to pull that way. If you try the same at 35, then it won't work that well, because you are instantly leading with cash - also not even much with that.

I'm not sure I understand, but at 35, 36, 37, etc having an apt with a nice view in NYC and other cities has helped me pull much higher HBs.

The only thing better than a great view is a great view that's very logistically convenient for them. If they can arrive on a train, subway, car, or walking -- that's better than money.

Oh - if you mean do I text girls my view, then no. Definitely not. That's probably what you were saying.

Post: #38

(06-22-2015 04:46 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 02:17 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  We need to further explore this subject. There's something to be said about taking dates out of the equation.

I've been preaching about that exact subject here: Zero Date Bangs: Reduce Your Variables, Bang More Girls

(06-21-2015 04:57 PM)TrueSlyr Wrote:  But of course, it doesn't always work... and I think I can improve on it so my success rate % increases.

You haven't really told us all that much, and what you have told us is all about your successes.

Can you share some of the failures you've experienced? Where do you feel like you need improvement? Where in the process are you losing girls?

Are they rejecting invites? Are they rejecting your advances once they come over?

Give us a few stories of when things went wrong, and then maybe we can offer some critique to help you improve.

My "failures" is when they reject the invite to come over. This is what I want to improve on. Once they come over, my success rate is extremely high.

Post: #39

(06-22-2015 05:54 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  What kind of photo is it? Just off the balcony of the view? Foreground balcony background view? Foreground swanky living room background balcony/view? Is it professinally done with outdoor and indoor lighting balanced or just a cellphone phone PIC?

Its just an iPhone pic of my view.Thats all lol. Point and snap lol.

And regarding age, I'm only 23 doing this on girls in my age range. If I was past 30 or even late 20s, no way I'd run this type of game on girls that age, at least not as extensively like I do now.

Post: #40

(06-22-2015 07:58 PM)TrueSlyr Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 05:54 PM)christpuncher Wrote:  What kind of photo is it? Just off the balcony of the view? Foreground balcony background view? Foreground swanky living room background balcony/view? Is it professinally done with outdoor and indoor lighting balanced or just a cellphone phone PIC?

Its just an iPhone pic of my view.Thats all lol. Point and snap lol.

And regarding age, I'm only 23 doing this on girls in my age range. If I was past 30 or even late 20s, no way I'd run this type of game on girls that age, at least not as extensively like I do now.

Whats your success/fail rate? Average rating, 7s?

Post: #41

(06-22-2015 07:03 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  I'm not sure I understand, but at 35, 36, 37, etc having an apt with a nice view in NYC and other cities has helped me pull much higher HBs.

The only thing better than a great view is a great view that's very logistically convenient for them. If they can arrive on a train, subway, car, or walking -- that's better than money.

Oh - if you mean do I text girls my view, then no. Definitely not. That's probably what you were saying.

That's it. You don't text girls in message 3 about your nice pad.

But alas - who knows - it may even work from time to time.
"I am chilling with a glass of scotch on my balcony after work." + pic
"What are you up to?"

Could work - haven't tried it out myself, but I used plenty of DHV points in my conversations and it worked, but it came more or less naturally.

On second thought it actually works on a few levels there. Women often post pictures of their places or hotels they are staying at. Essentially you provide them with chick-crack. Also you shift their attention to your place as a potential sex place, which opens them up to coming over. Real estate has an emotional appeal to women as they associate their own family nest with it, which is why so many real estate realtors are women and they are so obsessed with decoration, perfect houses etc. OP's idea appears to be much better than it seems if you can make the message appear innocent enough. Of course you can do it only if you have something to show.

So actually OP - excellent idea. Have to test it out - Sex Lair Pic Game - heh.

Post: #42

(06-22-2015 02:02 PM)BrazilianCocaine Wrote:  So for the younger guys (under 25) looking to get as many bangs as possible, the advice "follow your passsion" - Don't follow it. Follow the money so you can get a nice dig and secure the bang.

Nah. At least not for that reason alone.

Do you know how many broke-ass backpackers are swimming in more ass than they know what to do with? And as annoying as these types can be, they're having a ton of fun while they're at it. That's just one example - there are broke guys in their early 20s all around the world beating pussy back with a stick.

Hell, I even know broke ass Cambodian guys who go out, get drunk, and pull a different girl every single night while barely ever spending a dime.

There are plenty of reasons to follow the money, and I'm not encouraging anyone to be a dirty hippy backpacker. But just for the record, OP's setup, while pretty damn cool, is far from the only way to get consistently and easily laid.

To be moneyed and still able to pull well in 30s, 40s, and 50s - now that might be a better reason to stress focusing on cash, but even then, it's not a foolproof line of advice given that there are more than two paths to take.

Not to mention that very few guys "following their passions" in their early 20s will still be living wild, broke, and free in their 30s and older. The consequences of that lifestyle young, at least financially speaking, will likely be minimal. Doesn't make it a foolproof way to go or anything, but it bears saying.

OP, regarding improvement of the results, you might try delaying the pic a bit more. Maybe you're showing it too soon and making it too obvious. Of course, it could be the reason it's working well, but as they say in marketing, you never know for sure until you test. Try both ways enough times to see which "converts" better.

Post: #43

(06-23-2015 02:13 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

(06-22-2015 02:02 PM)BrazilianCocaine Wrote:  So for the younger guys (under 25) looking to get as many bangs as possible, the advice "follow your passsion" - Don't follow it. Follow the money so you can get a nice dig and secure the bang.

Nah. At least not for that reason alone.

Do you know how many broke-ass backpackers are swimming in more ass than they know what to do with? And as annoying as these types can be, they're having a ton of fun while they're at it. That's just one example - there are broke guys in their early 20s all around the world beating pussy back with a stick.

Hell, I even know broke ass Cambodian guys who go out, get drunk, and pull a different girl every single night while barely ever spending a dime.

There are plenty of reasons to follow the money, and I'm not encouraging anyone to be a dirty hippy backpacker. But just for the record, OP's setup, while pretty damn cool, is far from the only way to get consistently and easily laid.

To be moneyed and still able to pull well in 30s, 40s, and 50s - now that might be a better reason to stress focusing on cash, but even then, it's not a foolproof line of advice given that there are more than two paths to take.

Not to mention that very few guys "following their passions" in their early 20s will still be living wild, broke, and free in their 30s and older. The consequences of that lifestyle young, at least financially speaking, will likely be minimal. Doesn't make it a foolproof way to go or anything, but it bears saying.

OP, regarding improvement of the results, you might try delaying the pic a bit more. Maybe you're showing it too soon and making it too obvious. Of course, it could be the reason it's working well, but as they say in marketing, you never know for sure until you test. Try both ways enough times to see which "converts" better.

Yeah but unfortunately we don't know the variables in which those Cambodian guys are getting laid - They could be really handsome to the girls they hit on, they could only be hitting on their fellow Cambodians (or South east Asian period), they could have put in tons of time laying groundwork prior, etc.

What we seek here is maximum ROI for minimum input relatively speaking. So if it's easy for this guy to bring in 100k+ with his job in NYC but he has to put much time into it - That doesn't leave a whole lot of time for game mastery. It's about leveraging the work you already have put in elsewhere to make getting what you want in another realm of life easier. Nobody wants to put in 60+ hours at a job then have to devote another 20 into getting bangs. It's not realistic from a health perspective and longevity standpoint.

Maybe it is when you're younger (say 19-21) but after that "ain't nobody got time fo' dat"!!!

Post: #44

Regarding the Cambo guys, just game, living in a tourist madhouse, and going out every night. And they stricly bang Western women. Being "cool" and in shape and in the right location - same way lots of young guys who get laid alot do it.

But anyhow, I wasn't saying put full-time hours learning game in when you've got a 60+ hour job (you didn't mention a 60+ hour a week job in your chasing the passion scenario). I was countering the idea that you should give up your passion and chase money for the sole reason of having a nice place under 25 and getting lots of bangs.

There are a ton of guys under 25 with pussy on tap that don't need to do that. My Cambodian friends were just an example of the many different scenarios men around the world operate under. For them, it's being the exciting local guy who knows everyone. Who can take her to the cool waterfalls in the jungle and other local spots and is just always partying it up.

For a somewhat normal guy with decent looks and a bit of time put in polishing his game, it can be had at that age just by being in the right location. Hell, it can be had at my age with game and location and I'm in my mid-30s. Some of the more established players on this forum are a good example.

Again, it doesn't mean there aren't great reasons to pursue loot at that age (I may not be able to sing the same tune 10 years from now, for example, if my earnings don't stay on track). And it doesn't mean OP doesn't have a great thing going - he should keep it up. It's just not the open and shut case you presented it as in the post I quoted.

Money obviously helps a lot, but getting laid is a pretty natural and simple thing, and it's really not that expensive, so if a young guy has something else in mind, I hope that isn't his reason to trade it in for the pricey New York apartment and the corporate ladder.

Post: #45

Provide foster care for a dog. When she asks what you're doing say you have to stay home to take care of this dog. Send her a pic of the dog with your view in the background. If she refuses to come over, say you can meet for a drink a short distance away, but that you have to get back to take care of the dog soon.

The benefits are:
1. She's going to think you're a safe guy if you foster pets
2. You can naturally show her your view (you're just showing her the dog)
3. If she meets up with you close by, you already have your excuse to go to your apartment
4. You can return the dog when you're done
5. You've done a good deed, assuming you take care of the dog

If you don't like the idea of fostering, just get your own dog and say you're fostering it.

Post: #46

(06-22-2015 02:17 PM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  That said, I think this strategy works best if you live in a place like Manhattan or L.A., where the energy is high and people are on the go. I don't see this working in suburbia.

The strategy doesn't work as well in L.A. as Manhattan. The problem with L.A. is how spread out it is so even though I have a downtown loft with a stunning rooftop view of the L.A. skyline, when working the come over line for my apartment, the biggest objection I have to conquer is the drive/commute (most of the talent being located on the Westside and some in the Valley). I usually work on just getting them to meet at a bar downtown and then work the "gotta go up and feed my dog" moment to get them into the place for game-on.

Post: #47

Logistics is why NYC works. It's that simple

Post: #48

(06-23-2015 10:19 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Money obviously helps a lot, but getting laid is a pretty natural and simple thing

Haha in what country? See my AFC chump thread...

Post: #49

any suggestions guys

Post: #50

(07-03-2015 01:59 PM)TrueSlyr Wrote:  any suggestions guys

You solely get these girls from Tinder and online, or also from daygame and/or nightlife?

Well, if it's only online you use to meet women, I'd say: perfect your profile so you can get more matches and have higher odds of attracting women to your place, since you're obviously not doing a bad job.