Post: #26

(06-17-2015 12:09 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  You cannot defend your life in the UK if a violent perp breaks into your home and threatens your family without severe consequences.

What man here would stay calm and calculated with a weapon in his hands after seeing his family brutalised?

This is a shit test perpetrated not just by SJWs but by the law. I personally would lose it and end up with a longer sentence than the guy(s) would get. They would either be dead or seriously wounded at the least.

Tony Martin was jailed in UK for shooting and killing a burglar

Quote:By Claire Duffin, and agencies
5:18PM BST 19 Aug 2014

Fifteen years after he shot and killed a 16 year-old burglar, farmer Tony Martin has yet to return home, choosing to stay with friends, in a hotel and sleep rough in his car

Tony Martin, the farmer jailed for shooting dead a teenage burglar, is yet to return home 15 years after the incident and has been sleeping rough in his car.

Mr Martin, now 69, said he did not want to go back to his Norfolk farmhouse – called Bleak House – in case he was burgled again. He said he would not hesitate to do the same again if he was and did not want to go back to prison.

"If I was in Bleak House again and someone came in there then I'm not going to just stand there and let him hurt me. I'm going to act,” he said.

“That's one of the reasons I don't want to go back there because it could happen again. I don't relish the idea of going back in there, getting arrested and going to prison again,” he added.

After the shooting, on August 20, 1999, the farmhouse – left to him by an uncle – was boarded up with sheet metal and has remained that way ever since.

Mr Martin said he said he doubted he would ever return. He refused to say where he was living but said he had been staying with friends, in a hotel and in his car.

His friends and supporters have urged him to sell the farm and its land, thought to be worth in the region of £3 million, and live a "more comfortable existence" but he has refused.

"The whole thing that happened to me in simple terms is preposterous. I don't think I'll ever go back and live at Bleak House,” he said.

"I wouldn't call this place a home anymore, it is just a place to visit. It is a time that place forgot.

"I looked at it last night and it is encased in steel and flooded with water. It looks like the Everglades.

"I just live anywhere, I sleep anywhere. If I go up north to a farm show then I will just stay in my car.

"I live a little bit like Bonnie Prince Charlie and go from place to place. I have very kind friends."

Mr Martin, a bachelor, was convicted of murder and jailed for life in April 2000 for killing 16 year-old Fred Barras and seriously injuring his accomplice, Brendon Fearon, then 28.

His sentence was later reduced to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility after a psychiatrist said he had paranoid personality disorder, probably made worse by an earlier invasion of his property by burglars, and he was released from prison in 2003 having served three years.

The incident provoked a fierce debate over the right of homeowners to defend themselves and their property and led to the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) releasing new guidelines stating that a householder could use "reasonable force" to protect themselves against crime.


But Mr Martin said he did not think the guidelines went far enough, and that guns should be legalised in the UK.

"I would definitely do something to legalise guns and give people the right to protect themselves,” said Mr Martin, who allegedly received death threats from people wanting to “seek revenge” after the shooting.

"You certainly need to be safe in your own house with impunity. If somebody breaks into your house has to be considered the extreme and if it is not then god help us.”

Speaking about the case of Paul Kohler, the businessman and academic who was set upon by a masked gang when he answered the door to his home in Wimbledon last week, Mr Martin said: “If they had something like a gun in that house they could have picked it up and things would have been different.

"I think it is just hypocrisy that a man can't go to any length to protect himself and his own ….”

Fearon and Barras - who was from the travellers’ community, both had a string of previous convictions. They had travelled from Newark in Nottinghamshire to the farmhouse in Emneth Hungate with the intention of stealing antiques.

Mr Martin, who was said to be living in fear after a burglary three months earlier, shot them with an unlicensed Winchester pump action shotgun.

During his murder trial, the court heard that Mr Martin was well known in the area for his outspoken views on criminals particularly travellers, and lived an unconventional life in his ramshackle farmhouse, which was lit with just two lights.

He told the court he fired in the darkness from halfway down the stairs into his breakfast room after a torch was shone into his eyes, insisting he was acting in self-defence.

The prosecution, however, persuaded the jury that Mr Martin had lain in wait for the burglars and shot them in cold blood.

Malcolm Starr, who who led protests to downgrade Mr Martin's murder conviction said: "We keep on at him to do so [sell his farm] because Tony is sat on 300 prime acres in the area, and he isn't getting any younger.

"Tony would benefit from living a cosier, more comfortable existence."

The UK is ridiculous, you can't do shit to defend yourself most of the time.

Post: #27

(06-17-2015 02:42 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  "First, we need to define left and right. In my opinion, obviously a controversial one, the explanation for this mysterious asymmetric dimension is easy: it is political entropy. Right represents peace, order and security; left represents war, anarchy and crime."

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot...ified.html

I can't get this line out of my head, every damn thing seems to prove this.

Good thread about this in the Deep Forum:

/thread-48169.html

Post: #28

(06-17-2015 02:29 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  One man's random piece of ass is a weak man's entire world.

First off great quote. And I agree with everyone about the state of 'self-defense' in the west. If there was ever a culprit of the "pussification" of men, this is it. From grade school on, it's drilled into your head that physical self-defense = you're in deep shit. My buddies daughter got expelled b/c SHE was taking a beating, shoved the girl off her (not a punch or anything) and the school board's policy is that anyone involved in a fight is expelled. The pussification is really just the fear of either jail or making you're life incredibly difficult by having a police record (bye bye to the job you wanted). Life's short, and any man worth his stones is going to value his time. Therefore, more people (men specifically) are taking more and more shit just to avoid time in jail or major inconveniences in their lives.

An interesting side bit to all this that I've sort of touched on, this phenomenon of condemning "self-defense" seems very male-centric. Women can "feel" threatened and initiate physical violence, but if a man simply uses physicality to fend off someone who is already attacking them, it is scrutinized, and the man better show restraint in his response, using the exact degree of self-defense acceptable. The entertainment world is littered with shit like this, from the Ray Rice incident to the Hope Solo incident. The Jay-Z incident with Beyoncé's sister is another example. Somehow the people with shit to lose now have to be at the mercy of people with nothing to lose, or the idiots that are too dumb to realize that they'll lose something.

Post: #29

(06-17-2015 12:38 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  Let me clarify, a man came into a family home with a fucking gun and a bat missed his intended target, got laid the fuck down because my father did not raise any victims-and the State charged his intended victim with murder. They searched our home, cost us thousands in legal fees, and put my brother through hell. Do not think prosecutors are here to serve you they are out for themselves and their career, The less state involvement in reasonable peoples lives the better.

That's a terrible story, but is the rule in our times.

The propaganda nowadays starts early with boys being indoctrinated to never fight back against bullies, but to run to the teacher. Sometimes a young boy who defends himself and kicks a bully's ass will get arrested by the police for real while the much larger bully runs free. That is how you start indoctrinating a people.

But the funny part is that everyone with sufficient means can hire heavily armed bodyguards. They can even wear assault rifles in some instances and have good connections to the cops. There is no problem if one of them guns down even a punk who climbs the walls of your estate. But woe you if you shoot him yourself.

All those laws of course aim to disarm the people. The elite are allowed to be guarded by massive private forces, while the population should just call 911 and wait.

Self-defense should be a holy unalienable right. The same policies by the way are implemented everywhere around the world. I see articles like that occasionally in Switzerland, Austria or Poland. Unless you have excellent connections or wealth, the law is not looking kindly on you defending yourself. Sometimes the criminals get punished less than the people who they attacked.

Post: #30

Update on the original story:

http://www.wbir.com/story/news/2015/06/1.../71238548/

Quote:No charges will be filed against the man who shot and killed an armed robber early Monday at an East Knoxville convenience store because he was "protecting another citizen and his own life," according to the Knoxville Police Department.

A Knoxville attorney said because the act was one of defense the law protects the shooter.

"You are allowed to defend yourself with both reasonable and necessary force, and the defense of another is appropriate should somebody else that you're with or acquainted with also be placed in similar danger," Don Bosch said.

The dead suspect has been identified as Tamon J. Stapleton, 18, of Knoxville.

He went into the Breadbox in the 6200 block of Asheville Highway about 2:25 a.m. with a loaded 9mm pistol, according to a KPD release.

Stapleton approached the female store clerk.

"A male friend of the clerk observed the robbery in progress from his vehicle in the parking lot. The friend retrieved his 9mm handgun and entered the store as Stapleton was forcing the clerk behind the counter at gunpoint. The male fired one time striking Stapleton."

Stapleton died at the scene.

The shooter did not have a carry permit.

According to KPD, the serial number from Stapleton's 9mm pistol had been removed, and police are checking to see if they can determine the owner.

Tamon's mom finally acknowledged her son was in the wrong, but still wants the shooter to be charged for killing her son:

http://www.wbir.com/story/news/2015/06/1.../28832711/

Quote:A Knoxville mother believes charges should be filed against the man who shot and killed her son early Monday.

While acknowledging Tamon Stapleton, 18, was "in the wrong" when he tried to rob an Asheville Highway convenience store while armed, the unnamed gunman who killed Stapleton should be held accountable, Joy Stapleton said.

"I feel like the man should be charged," she told 10News.

Police say Stapleton was robbing the Breadbox store when a friend of the clerk saw what was happening from outside and took action. That action, police say, is justified.

Joy Stapleton first learned of the shooting through Facebook, but it was Tamon's brother who confirmed it was him.

"My other son came around 8 o'clock, and said, Mom, I think Tamon is dead," said Stapleton.

...

Quote:'Past is the past'

The teen attended Austin-East High School, although he had not graduated, according to a Knox County Schools spokeswoman.

Joyce Stapleton said he wanted to get out of Knox County, and perhaps go live in Morristown. She said she thought things were about to get better for him.

"I don't care what they say about Tamon's juvenile charges, the past is the past," said Stapleton.

She plans to fight for charges against the shooter, but police say the case is closed.

"If the store clerk would have killed him I would have felt different," said Stapleton. "But because that man came into the store and killed him as he watched this robbery go on...he was not in danger. He could have dialed 911 and then went in to the store. But he didn't, he just automatically went into the store and shot my son in the head."

DeBusk said the man made the right call in protecting the clerk.

"You don't have time. He did not have time to make a phone call," said DeBusk. "He will not be charged because he was acting in good faith at a time when a person was in jeopardy of losing their life."

Post: #31

(06-19-2015 09:38 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  Tamon's mom finally acknowledged her son was in the wrong, but still wants the shooter to be charged for killing her son:

http://www.wbir.com/story/news/2015/06/1.../28832711/

What kind of world do we live in where we have media who want to sympathize with criminals and feature opinions from parents of those criminals who think those who protect us should be charged. Think of how absurd this is: this person is protecting his community, and you have a person who wants this person charged. Do we all not benefit from people who protect our communities?

This is insane.

Post: #32

Well, think about this.

Good people are not exciting. Bad people do stupid shit all the time and create news. News in the eyes of these media hounds is good.

Therefore bad = good.

Post: #33

(06-19-2015 12:29 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  Well, think about this.

Good people are not exciting. Bad people do stupid shit all the time and create news. News in the eyes of these media hounds is good.

Therefore bad = good.

If it bleeds, it leads.

Post: #34

(06-18-2015 02:03 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  That's a terrible story, but is the rule in our times.

The propaganda nowadays starts early with boys being indoctrinated to never fight back against bullies, but to run to the teacher. Sometimes a young boy who defends himself and kicks a bully's ass will get arrested by the police for real while the much larger bully runs free. That is how you start indoctrinating a people.

But the funny part is that everyone with sufficient means can hire heavily armed bodyguards. They can even wear assault rifles in some instances and have good connections to the cops. There is no problem if one of them guns down even a punk who climbs the walls of your estate. But woe you if you shoot him yourself.

All those laws of course aim to disarm the people. The elite are allowed to be guarded by massive private forces, while the population should just call 911 and wait.

Self-defense should be a holy unalienable right. The same policies by the way are implemented everywhere around the world. I see articles like that occasionally in Switzerland, Austria or Poland. Unless you have excellent connections or wealth, the law is not looking kindly on you defending yourself. Sometimes the criminals get punished less than the people who they attacked.

The indoctrination in schools is definitely not to be looked over. Whether or not you stood up for yourself when dealing with bullies or "punks" in school is something that stays with you for life. I got in trouble for fighting in school several times. I remember the first time I got in trouble and my mom sent me to my room to wait for my dad to come home from work. My dad was one of those dads that you feared more than any bully or school consequences so I was dreading his return.

Instead I got a surprise. He sat me down and told me about a time someone on his sports team had tried to disrespect him and he fought back. He said "always stand up for yourself". And that was it.

It is something that I'll pass on to my son. Getting in trouble at school may follow you to university but probably won't matter much after that. The knowledge that you stood up for yourself follows you for life.

Post: #35

(06-19-2015 09:50 AM)SunW Wrote:  

(06-19-2015 09:38 AM)TheWastelander Wrote:  Tamon's mom finally acknowledged her son was in the wrong, but still wants the shooter to be charged for killing her son:

http://www.wbir.com/story/news/2015/06/1.../28832711/

What kind of world do we live in where we have media who want to sympathize with criminals and feature opinions from parents of those criminals who think those who protect us should be charged. Think of how absurd this is: this person is protecting his community, and you have a person who wants this person charged. Do we all not benefit from people who protect our communities?

This is insane.

Ain't nothing new. Here you have a video of the mom of a gang-member who shot and killed a police officer saying she shouldn't have been put in that situation and that he wasn't violent or part of a gang. She also implies her son shot the cop in self-defense, even though he had a felony warrant out for his arrest.

Post: #36

Damn. I used to live minutes away from asheville highway in knoxville. I might have even been to that breadbox before, in fact I am pretty sure I have been there. Crazy.