Post: #89026

Collin Peterson (a 30 year democrat committee chairman) has already said

Quote:You guys are making a mistake. Give Trump the money.” I’d give him the whole thing. Put strings on it so that you make sure that he puts the wall where it needs to be. Why are we fighting over this? We’re gonna build that wall anyway at some time.

Here's the resolution I'm hoping for - Trump gets funding, he has to deal with DACA, the SCOTUS strikes down DACA and negates that part of the deal. That last part hinges on RBG croaking and getting a conservative (hell, even a moderate) on the court.

Also, Dan's upset that it's just 10 democrats but that's up from 6. Cracks are forming in the D ranks.

Post: #89027

(01-24-2019 06:48 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  This is what the people screaming JUST DECLARE AN EMERGENCY AND BUILD IT don't get, just like they don't get the nuances in most of the things T faces every day. None of it is simple or straight forward. The laws and executive powers may be "clear" (they aren't even that, though), but that really doesn't mean much in reality. This is why he hasn't taken that step yet. There's a hell of a lot more that the administration's lawyers understand that most people don't.

This is why he has been exhausting all other options, including giving concessions on DACA etc, because an agreed budget is vastly preferable to a vulnerable unprecedented executive order that can be tied up in courts, rightly or wrongly. It's looking like there may be no other option at this point though.

The system of checks and balances works great at the start and middle phase of a republic's timeline. They help shape civilization as people are forced to work together and come to an agreement. Unfortunately they also prevent real change when it is desperately needed and time is running out. Failure to produce any real change because efforts are "checked" and "balanced" greatly reduces the populations faith in the democratic process. Slowly but surely the republic begins to die leading to 2 scenarios:

1. Other non democratic regional and global players who can act without being "checked and balanced" begin to take apart the republic. Financing political parties, universities, hollywood, tech companies, secessionist and fringe movements all in order to create chaos and turmoil in the republic.

2. Military dictatorship takes over in order to prevent scenario 1.

Post: #89028

What do you guys think Trump will do with Maduro and Venezuela next?

This is beautiful, a group of Venezuelan guys offer to build the Wall for Trump if he takes out Maduro. This is the kind of outside the box deal making DJT might go for.

Venezuelan Guys offer to build wall for Mexico

Post: #89029

(01-24-2019 11:31 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  What do you guys think Trump will do with Maduro and Venezuela next?

This is beautiful, a group of Venezuelan guys offer to build the Wall for Trump if he takes out Maduro. This is the kind of outside the box deal making DJT might go for.

Venezuelan Guys offer to build wall for Mexico

Russia is threatening to kick our asses if we go into Venezuela.

Post: #89030

Russia isn't going to go to war with a nuclear power over a country halfway across the planet. It's just posturing.

That said, if we have money to send troops to Venezeula to kill South Americans, but no money for a wall to keep South Americans out, I'm gonna be pissed.

Post: #89031

(01-24-2019 01:38 PM)911 Wrote:  No need to fret about Buzzie, she's going to retire before the end of the year, they can't hide her terminal stage cancer much longer.

They're not pushing for enough time to stall the full two years. If they can keep her alive and on the bench for just one then can claim that Trump is replacing her before the American people have a chance to give their mandate on his presidency.

Replacing a SCOTUS judge in an election year would be a total fuckfest. Candidates are already announcing and by the time one is chosen then a SCOTUS pick will be radioactive politics. Even if she drops dead tomorrow this angle is going to be pushed hard, so she really needs to die or be shown to be incompetent ASAP which is why the SOTU speech cancellation is smart politics from the Dems.

If they can keep her on the bench even until mid 2019 I think the issue will be a festering sore for Trump. There will be a huge push to suspend SCOTUS decisions until an appointment AFTER the election.

Post: #89032

Wut...???

I wonder what it says about RooshV's sites.

Post: #89033

(01-24-2019 02:41 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  Trump doesn't want to be dictator. America was once great because of its freedom, and he doesn't want to overturn our constitutional government. He wants to MAGA in a way that convinces a lasting majority to turn back to way America was run in decades past.

It currently appears that there is a majority of the US population who subscribes to identity politics and sees the old American way of doing things as evil and illegitimate in the way it treated their identity group. The younger generations have been propagandized with SJW cultural Marxist thinking since day care, and even large portions of the older generations think entirely in terms of having the government give them lots of free stuff. The old ideas of small government and individual self sufficiency with maximum freedom and liberty are forgotten. Furthermore, this majority is energized and triggered by Trump.

The left was rocked back on their heels by Trump in 2016, but they seem to have found the right combination of obstruction and propaganda to block Trump and energize their base.

It is still possible for Trump to win, by building the wall, reducing immigration, growing the economy, shrinking the government, and jailing all the criminals that have been undermining him in the FBI, DOJ, and Democratic party. However, even if he does all these things, there is a portion of the population that is hopelessly in favor of globohomo policies, and the demographic trends will only grow this faction. He hopes to swing a decisive portion of these people into freedom loving, small government believers, but I don't think he can change enough minds. All he can do is achieve tactical victories over the next few years. He's hoping to win the cultural war for generations to come, and I don't think he will be able to do so.

If things keep getting worse, in the next few decades we'll probably see an actual dictator come to power (Rome Analogies)

Thankfully that future dictator is probably some Gen Zyklon kid shit posting online on places like 4Chan or maybe is a slightly older edgelord reading Roosh and the many solid contributors on this forum (one of the last bastions for the exchange of independent/free ideas)

Post: #89034

Breaking news Just now Donald Trump aide Roger Stone arrested smh...: the whole damn squad is going to jail, you just make this shit up. Does no one else think maybe there’s a problem when soooo many people in Trumps inner circle are catching cases mostly for lying about Russia??....

Post: #89035

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Post: #89036

Re: Roger Stone.

Quote:A statement from special counsel spokesman Peter Carr reads: “The indictment, which was unsealed upon arrest, contains seven counts: one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements, and one count of witness tampering.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/...ssion=true

Post: #89037

Trump drains the swamp or he steps out of the Whitehouse and into a cage for the rest of his life. Simple as that.

You don't get to stab the beast that deeply and then walk away.

2 years to 2020. God-willing 6 to 2024.

2016 was a massive missed opportunity to fire everyone and install red state patriots. The IRS and DOJ in patriot hands alone could have dumped charges on every monster and frozen every asset in the swamp, forcing the creatures therein to roll over on each other until nothing was left but blood and bone.

Hopefully Rettig in the IRS isn't the spineless POS Sessions was but the 64-33 vote in his favor ironically doesn't bode well.

At this point nobody with a career in DC is going to martyr themselves for a guy who might be the President for two more short years and who appears to be playing the long game in a short match.

Post: #89038

(01-25-2019 06:58 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Re: Roger Stone.

Quote:A statement from special counsel spokesman Peter Carr reads: “The indictment, which was unsealed upon arrest, contains seven counts: one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements, and one count of witness tampering.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/...ssion=true

Yet, again, nothing on Russian collusion.

The only good outcome in all of this is the Deep State is not a conspiracy theory any longer. More and more people are seeing reality and I hope this continues to show more the truth.

Post: #89039

(01-25-2019 07:41 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 06:58 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Re: Roger Stone.

Quote:A statement from special counsel spokesman Peter Carr reads: “The indictment, which was unsealed upon arrest, contains seven counts: one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements, and one count of witness tampering.”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/...ssion=true

Yet, again, nothing on Russian collusion.

The only good outcome in all of this is the Deep State is not a conspiracy theory any longer. More and more people are seeing reality and I hope this continues to show more the truth.

Well let’s be honest with ourselves we don’t know what the investigation has or doesn’t have could go either way who knows. What the real question is why are all these guys getting cases for lying to the FBI. Why are they answering any questions do they not have lawyers? Why are their lawyers letting them answer any questions at all whatsoever??? Even if they don’t have a lawyer have they never learned there’s nothing you can ever say to law enforcement that’s going to help you especially if you have something to hide....

Post: #89040

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Post: #89041

(01-25-2019 08:10 AM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  Well let’s be serious we don’t know what the investigation has or doesn’t has could go either way. What the real question is why are all these guys getting cases for lying to the FBI. Why are they answering any questions donttheyvjot have lawyers? Why are their lawyers letting them answer any questions at all whatsoever???

Good points, we don't know, but I would be surprised if they had something on Russian collusion yet arrested him for obstruction, lying and witness tampering.

It just makes the investigation look worst. All arrests have been for everything but Russian collusion.

IMO, they would be posting news conferences if it had anything to do with Russian collusion. Like they did when they went after those Russian trolls. lol

I do agree with you when it comes to how much of a dumbass you would have to be to answer any questions. Especially seeing what happened to others. People think they are smarter than they really are.

Post: #89042

These "investigations" are just to bankrupt President Trump's allies. The sad thing is it's effective (i.e. General Flynn). When you can't win an election with a candidate that can't sway hearts and minds you just kick and scream and then you must have your own way right?

Fully agree with LDN. Deep state will get their revenge when President Trump is out of power.

Post: #89043

One thing I’d be willing to bet my last dollar on you’ll never see a charge on anyone in regards to Russia, collusion etc until Trump is out of office. They want to null is pardoning power and there’s no way in hell you’ll ever see a sitting president charged with anythting ever under any circumstances.

Post: #89044

(01-25-2019 08:57 AM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  One thing I’d be willing to bet my last dollar on you’ll never see a charge on anyone in regards to Russia, collusion etc until Trump is out of office. They want to null is pardoning power and there’s no way in hell you’ll ever see a sitting president charged with anythting ever under any circumstances.

If they could prove Russian collusion then they would have him out before the end of his first term. Both Republicans and Democrats would impeach him over something like that.

We should know rather quickly if they find anything.

The Stone thing is probably the same story they have been doing against others like General Flynn. Trying to pile on charges in the hopes that they turn on Trump with some type of evidence. The big problem, for them, is getting them for lying and making them look like a credible witness if they did turn on Trump.

Edited: I misunderstood your post.

Post: #89045

Nah, it is just perjury traps. Stone wanted to get arrested. The tip off to CNN to be waiting outside his house shows what a worthless piece of shit Mueller and Co. are.

Post: #89046

I really wish Trump had put his focus on draining the swamp, hell I wish that was the hill he was willing to die on rather than the wall. The wall for me is a nothingburger of an actual outcome/action that has now become the most important symbolic battle for Trump, even if the wall works to the best of its possible ability (I'm skeptical) it's still not changing things significantly, it's a band-aid on the problems, and it's now going to be his everything, if he doesn't build that wall he's pretty much done.

If he had instead focused on draining the swamp he would have removed most of the obstacles currently in his path and actually cleared the future for a successor to continue his work. The investigation chief among it. That thing is not ending well for Trump, the only way it winds up is if they actually find something otherwise it will just stretch on through the election and be used by the MSM and Democrats to manipulate the simpleton swing voters who, unfortunately, are the same idiots who actually watch MSM, think of the relative who posts everything on your wall on facebook instead of a private message, that's the person that is a swing voter manipulated by what feels right thanks to the media, who also grew up having "Russia bad" instilled in their NPC chip. Instead this will just keep arresting some Trump associate every few months for "lying about their shoe lace colour" type shit to keep it relevant before the avalanche of BS during the election.

It actually surprises me the approach he has taken given his background in construction and real estate. He's taken the approach of building a big new shiny Trump Tower over the top of an existing crumbling building instead of clearing the site and building a strong foundation to build from. Alas I think he has let the opportunity to do this slip now, firstly because they no longer have the power to truly fix things and pass votes and secondly because he's now going to have to get so dirty with so many swamp creatures to build the damn wall that even if he succeeds at that they'll have him bent over a barrel moving forward.

I'm just sitting here hoping to be wrong and that building the wall starts an avalanche of change and he gets on to the things that, imo, actually matter and will MAGA, but the realist in me just doesn't see that outcome anymore and what I did see of it just keeps on slipping further away. I just hope to be wrong at this point, this is one of those few times where being humbled by that would be a fucking spectacular outcome!

Post: #89047

Feels like retaliation for the government shutdown to me.

Post: #89048

Who would want to be Trump’s ally now, if this is what Trump allows his enemies to do to them while he is in power? Would you?

After seeing Trump’s allies get investigated, go bankrupt, get their homes raided, get charged and go to jail, and none of his enemies, despite their many crimes, who would you rather be? Trump is making the choice easy for a lot of people. It’s unbelievable really. What does that tell you?

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Post: #89050

(01-25-2019 06:27 AM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  Breaking news Just now Donald Trump aide Roger Stone arrested smh...: the whole damn squad is going to jail, you just make this shit up. Does no one else think maybe there’s a problem when soooo many people in Trumps inner circle are catching cases mostly for lying about Russia??....

Actual intelligent people understand this is not how things work (it's something you believe when you're biased). There is no such thing as guilt by association being a crime (at least not in America) and all of that nonsense (which has zero to do with Trump) has nothing to do with Russian collusion. Roger Stone was raided on "process charges?" Ridiculous. Which is why the judge set the bail so low and why Roger is already back on the streets.

Trumped up charges and kabuki theatre - aka a WITCH HUNT