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(11-16-2018 01:16 PM)Malone Wrote:  These people are clowns.

What is the fucking due process for revoking a press pass? You say "fuck off, you're out."

Tim Pool had a lawyer on his podcast who explained that it would likely be reinstated, but there'd be nothing to stop them from just stripping it straight back away again, but there is a specific proceduyre for doing so.. I think the only part of the procedure that wasn't followed this time was that he didn't get the right to argue his side of the story before it was stripped.
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(11-16-2018 05:02 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  
(11-16-2018 04:02 PM)Truth Tiger Wrote:  I found this excellent commentary from @drawandstrike.

-He mentions the glaring omissions of vital, probing questions of Comey (as one example) in Congressional 'investigations' and leaks by posturing political animals vs. thorough professional DOJ investigations where leaks don't happen.

-He gives examples and a chain of events illustrating how Spygate was 100x worse than Watergate (no one died in Watergate) due to multiple factors, including dismantling much of the intelligence apparatus within China / Iran that took decades to build and deliberate access of US classified information to foreign powers.

-He indicates that Trump has 2 years left to reveal the damage done by Clinton/Obama/Comey & team, and the revelations do NOT depend on having the House approval.

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Thread by @drawandstrike: "BTW, y'all may have noticed I'm not all that broken up of the fact that the House investigations into SpyGate will be ending soon when Democrats take control"

Quote:BTW, y'all may have noticed I'm not all that broken up of the fact that the House investigations into SpyGate will be ending soon when Democrats take control.

That's because 30 years of watching them convinces me most Congressional investigations are useless.

The REAL investigations into SpyGate/FISA/Steele Dossier matters have been taking place inside the DOJ for the past 2 years. Congress got stuff handed off to it when DOJ IG Horowitz was done, either with witnesses or documents.

Even when they get a witness passed off to them the grandstanding lushes of Congress often have no clue what to ask them.

Allow me to now demonstrate this.

After going back over former FBI Director Jame's Comey's testimony in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee on June 8th, I noticed something amazing.

Comey was brought in SPECIFICALLY to discuss the memos he took with him from the FBI. He spent HOURS testifying & taking questions from Senators about them.

Are you sitting down? In *hours* of being questioned by Senators about his memos, Comey manages to NEVER tell them:

1) how many memos there were
2) how many memos contained classified info

and

3) how many memos he gave to Professor Daniel Richman.

Yes.

Really.

That actually happened.

NO Senator on that committee asked Comey the most BASIC foundational questions:

"How many memos did you take with you?"
"How many memos had class. info in them?
"How many did you give to Prof. Richman?"

Comey had mentioned he had 'nine' conversations with Trump that he summarized in his memos, so the Senators *assume* there must be nine memos. You can see this in some of the questions Comey is asked, like this one:

In HOURS of being exhaustively questioned by Senators, Comey is never pinneed down and asked exactly how many memos there are. Several Senators say there are 'nine' and COMEY NEVER SAYS A WORD.

At no point in his testimony does Comey volunteer just how many of his memos there actually are.

In fact, it's not until over a month later it's revealed in a report by The Hill that the number of Comey memos is SEVEN, not nine, as several of the Senators were assuming.

In that exchange above, Senator Heinrich kinda sorta MAYBE invites Comey to directly tell the Committee how many of these memos were written so as to be classified - that is, how many were written on classified devices and now many contained classified information.

Read Comey's answer again. You are watching a master of Bullshit use a word salad to avoid answering how many of the 'nine' memos he took were classified, either from having been written on a classified device or containint classified information.

In that highly lawyerly, convoluted answer, at best Comey seems to be saying perhaps maybe at least TWO of the 'nine' memos are classified. It's hard to tell.

Well in fact FOUR of the seven had classified info in them.

Naturally, the subject of just how many documents with classified information that he took without authorization from his last isn't an issue Comey wants to go into great detail about, so he doesn't.

In fact, according to The Hill's later report the following month, four of Comey's seven memos contained information that was classified at the 'Secret' & 'Confidential' levels.

Now, you remember how Comey had admitted he gave 'several' of these 'nine' memos to a friend named Daniel Richman, and that he had Richman leak part of the contents of one of these memos over the phone to the New York Times.

So. How hard would it be to get a straight answer from Comey as to HOW MANY OF HIS MEMOS DID HE GIVE TO RICHMAN?

Brace yourselves.

He never tells them, and they never pin him down.

So watching how Comey did a rope-a-dope with members of Congress for HOURS and they can't even pin him down by pressing him with BASIC QUESTIONS just reaffirmed what I already know: Senators & House Reps aren't investigators, they are politicians.

Senators questioning Comey for hours couldn't even establish BASIC NUMBERS involved in what they were trying to investigate. He of course, was NOT going to help them, so they had to ask him specific questions.

Which they never did.

I know people don't believe this when I tell them, they dismiss it without even seriously considering it when I bring it up but:

All the REAL MOVEMENT on SpyGate has come from DOJ Inspector General Horowitz.

Anything you think Congress is 'exposing' in SpyGate with either it's Senate or House investigations, was actually from evidence handed off to Congress when Horowitz & his investigative team were done with it.

And even then, since investigations & grand juries are seated - 1 of which was already revealed publicly about McCabe - the testimony of SpyGate witnesses & SpyGate docs given to Congress by the IG had to be tightly controlled.

AND SOME OF IT LEAKED ANYWAY.

Congress doesn't operate under the strictures and limitations that the DOJ does. Congress is full of grandstanding lushes who want face time on TV and to get reelected.

Career federal investigators/prosecutors aren't going to publicly discuss their cases or evidence until done.

The DOJ has serious business to conduct, and yes it's Congresses' job to exercise oversight over that business.

Which more than a few members of Congress use for grandstanding, not to mention partisan leaks to the news media to drive narratives.

"Oh no we lost the House!" they cried.

Yeah, that sucks.

But does that stop Horowitz and all the ongoing investigations at the DOJ? How?

Does that stop Trump from declassifying all the SpyGate docs? How?

Does that stop new Acting AG Whitaker from doing his job? How?

There's now a 2 year window to roll out all the SpyGate stuff. And weather the national crisis that will result from it's being made fully public, so people can see the full extent of the crimes/damage caused

Watergate was bad, but when SpyGate is fully public people will see it is only about 100x worse than Watergate.

Watergate didn't get any body killed.

1) A SecState that insists on a off the books private server that likely exposed THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF CLASSIFIED SECRETS of both the St. dept and the INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES who work in concert with it.

2) By 2012 it's OBVIOUS there'd been a massive security breach, the CIA/Western intel networks in China and Iran are being rolled up

3) Clinton steps down as SecState to prepare for her 2016 Presidential run.

4) I believe by the time she did that. ALL THE MAJOR PLAYERS in Spygate knew by 2012 what she'd done, what resulted worldwide from the nat. sec. security breach she'd caused.

5) They all made the decision to COVER UP FOR HER so she could run for President

6) Then in the runup to 2016 Trey Gowdy's House committee finds out about the homebrew server while investigating Benghazi

7) Comey & McCabe & Co. go the extra mile to fix the FBI investigation to ensure Hillary can continue to run for President unimpeded

8) After finessing THAT, the Weiner laptop is then dropped on them. They find a way to fix THAT too.

9) But at this point these people are all increasingly nervous. They ony way they can TOTALLY ENSURE what they did covering for Clinton's crime is never exposed is to continue to ensure she wins the election.

10) And THAT'S why SpyGate happened. It was their 'insurance policy' in case a miracle happened and Trump won. If Trump wins, then the massive crimes they ignored/covered up so Clinton could run would be exposed.

So this wasn't just about protecting CLINTON because they think she's awesome or something. It's about protecting THEMSELVES and hiding what they did on her behalf.

11) Watergate didn't KILL anybody. DOZENS of CIA agents in Iran and China were dropped through trap doors with ropes around their necks or had bullets fired into their heads

CIA/Western intel networks in China and Iran that it took DECADES to build were rolled up in just a year or two.

12) There's no way Obama didn't know. This went right to the top. Trying to frame Trump so he could almost instantly be impeached or forced to resign or at the very least effectively sabotaged for his one and only term as President they used OFFICIAL GOV'T POWERS/AGENCIES.

So when I say NATIONAL CRISIS when the lid gets ripped off of this and the public airing of what these criminals did starts, I am not joking.
It's only recently been fully impressed on me just how STUPID it would have been for Trump to launch this national crisis just before a midterm election.

Now there's a 2 year window to publicly reveal it all. Trump's not going to waste the opportunity. When a national crisis of this magnitude has to happen, it has to be managed with the utmost care.

You don't like that?

I don't care.

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And if this doesnt come to light?

And if nobody gets sent to prison for the rest of their life?

These spectators are hanging onto the notion it will be revealed and big players will go down. I hope they do but at the moment they're free as a bird.

Relevant to Comey not being asked tough questions:

During the social media hearings with Jack Dorsey etc a couple months ago, there were little to no questions asked about censorship. It was all about "Russian bots."

Naturally, the GOP patted them on the back for dealing with the "Russian bots" so well.
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(11-16-2018 05:49 PM)Thersites Wrote:  [Image: DsJ7ud4UUAAaAE4.jpg:small]
(11-16-2018 05:05 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  Talk about an Enemy of the People! Pulling the nuke your own citizens card because we own guns that you don't like, and that threatens your power? Fuck you, traitor. I will go out and buy more ammo this weekend, and more guns once my tax return comes back. "Representatives" like these are a good reminder as to why the Right to Bear Arms is more important than ever. These fuckers are genocidal, given that their ideological roots are found in the Soviet Gulags.

They want complete control over the people. This is the reason why the 2nd amendment was implemented to avoid government's monopoly of force trampling the rights of citizen with every election. That tweet from Swalwell is just other meme or ad that Trump can use for 2020.

Coincidentally, yesterday on another thread, I was discussing ( /thread-71298...pid1887208 ) the fact that an Islamist or Mugabe-like communist president would threaten the whole world if and when he took control of the French nuclear arsenal. And, we now have a Leftist politician in the US, openly contemplating the possibility of dropping nuclear bombs onto his own citizens! Confused

So, it's something to keep in mind: if we let socialists, Islamists or tribal communists take control of the US, France or the UK, they might very well one day launch nuclear missiles onto us all. They even openly relish the idea!

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opini...i-nuke-you

"After conservatives criticized Swalwell for calling for the forcible confiscation of assault weapons, Swalwell responded by upping the ante.

Conservative commentator Joe Biggs charged Swalwell with wanting a war. Swalwell enthusiastically agreed in the most insane way possible.

Yes, Swalwell seriously proposed nuking his own constituents to take away their right to defend themselves from the government"
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(11-16-2018 05:28 PM)Mr. Accuride Wrote:  
(11-16-2018 05:00 PM)redpillage Wrote:  
(11-16-2018 04:09 PM)Higgs Bosun Wrote:  The stupidest thing of it all? Trump's tax cuts heated up the already boiling economy to the point that the Fed is forced to hike rates up even faster. In other words, whatever stimulating effect the tax cuts have had on the economy will be completely neutered by the increase in Fed rates that they provoked. Not only will we be stuck with the extra debt for absolutely nothing, but we'll end up with higher interest rates than we'd have had if Trump had never passed the tax cuts at all, meaning that the entirety of the $20 trillion of accumulated national debt will have to be refinanced at the new rates.

But hey, as Team Wait and See/400D Chess Brigade told us, the tax cuts were just a way for Master Deal Maker Trump to get Paul Ryan what he wants so that Paul Ryan would give Trump the MAGA agenda in return. I'm sure Speaker Ryan and his House of Representative will give us the MAGA legislation any day now.

Oh...wait...

Laugh3

Trump didn't have a choice. He inherited an economic train wreck from Obama and he did what always does, go out and drum up business. The tax cuts were one low hanging fruit he had at his disposal and remember that there are many things he could have done theoretically but few that he could have done effectively. Drumming up the economy and lowering taxes were the two things he knew would boost his poll numbers plus provide him with ammunition for 2020.

The stock market should have crashed a long time ago during Obama's tenure, and it only survived for a decade after 2008 due to the extensive life support system put in place by the Fed via several rounds of quantitative easing. It's cute to be all smug about it and criticize Trump but I think many of you forget the political and economic shit sandwich the man was handed and the few available options available to him. And I'm not even talking about the daily dramarama that the Libtards are throwing at him on a daily basis.

Agreed that Trump didn't have much of a choice, especially with the spending cuts. Dems (though McConnell also) would not allow the house to pass a spending budget with the cuts that he wanted, so the only option was to pursue the nuclear option in the Senate if he was not going to get the votes to pass a budget in the House, and that didn't allow him to reduce spending. Note that when Trump took over, the national debt actually went down the first 6 months of his presidency as many employees resigned and Trump eliminated those positions.

I have to say the assertion that Trump "didn't have a choice" makes me pretty angry, because he did. He always had a choice. He always had a choice to do the right thing for the American and Western economy, which was to give it its big shot of medicine now to stop it basically falling over from the heart attack it's going to have later on. He was elected on a Fuck You platform to the big banks and the Hilary Clintons of the world. He could have at least tried.

That big shot of medicine is, or was: take as much drastic action as he can under his executive powers to cut America's debt if not outright default on it and reset the counter to zero, because if you think shit is bad now, wait until the world's bondholders have credible alternatives to the US dollar and start taking advantage of them.

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He doesn't even have the choice on which reporters can ask him questions in the White House. I'm starting to wonder if we're all just wasting our time reading and posting this thread.

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Make hay while the sun shines is a simplistic and almost stupid sounding idiom- but it is very basically correct and more relevant than ever.

I remember some idiotic comment way back in the thread mocking the importance of how T makes men feel, deriding men for “needing someone to make you feel good”. The fact is, that gift is inarguably the most important of T’s many gifts to us all. More than that, these types of energies in general are what America as a whole runs on and keeps us going, in what can objectively be an unforgiving place in some ways.

You certainly can have - and I have had - successes under all circumstances. Under Bush, under Barry Zero, even under the oppression my god damned condo association. And, you can feel content regardless of those things, as I have. But, finding yourself in the shower chuckling out loud thinking about one of T’s dozens of hilarious trolls - something I have done many times - that is more than priceless. As much as T’s mere existence is no doubt aging and killing the most terrible people, it is equally - or even more so - making me healthier, happier and wealthier.

With the economy the best it has been in a very long time- if you have been wanting to change jobs, start that business, make that move to your paradise, or simply buckle down put away some more cash…. what are you waiting for?

The time to be making hay is now. A yuge, beautiful orange sun is beaming brightly from the very top. Get out there and drink in its rays, because it’s not going to shine forever— but, if you do your part, it might shine just long enough to make all the difference for you.

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(11-16-2018 04:53 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  [Image: DsJ7ud4UUAAaAE4.jpg:small]



This idiot just might, and I mean, JUST MIGHT have ruined his presidential bid....

Well if we can get rid of the illegals voting perhaps.

So with the biggest white male threats from the Dem party, Swalwell and Beto are the biggest threats for 2020. Both are far leftist clowns, but these kinds of statements might be what we needed to get the Amish and other Pennsylvania types to break their religious traditions and go vote. Them and the Mennonites refuse to give up their guns. That was the big reason why Hillary could not win that state in 2016. The ads the Republicans ran plus her admitting that she would reinstate the Assault Gun Ban, was the straw that broke the camel's back.

We got a ways until 2020 so all these things need to be collected and remembered when the time comes or memes and political ads.

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Take care of those titties for me.
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(11-16-2018 08:12 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

I'm starting to wonder if Trump has any power, or if the president of the United States is just a figurehead at this point.

You've BEEN tweeting about this shit President Trump, and they seem to be crossing the border mostly unimpeded!
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Basically.

I'm starting to get the extremely disconcerting sense that about the only thing Trump has power over is that Twitter account.

There's this creeping dread that he called up the Pentagon months ago and said "this is your commander in chief, mobilize the troops to the southern border" and all he could hear on the other end of the line was raucous laughter.

If he really is powerless then it's his pride that will be his downfall. The Americans that mattered had his back from day one. If he told them the truth then they would have backed him and taken care of business. Even just that ten percent of hardliners would have been all it took. He had only to say "I have reached the highest office to find my hands are tied, it's all a charade, it's up to the rest of you now".

Capitalized BIG CON? Sometimes I get the feeling that he's a prisoner in a gilded cage trying to get messages out past the warden.

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(11-16-2018 08:12 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  This idiot just might, and I mean, JUST MIGHT have ruined his presidential bid....

Well if we can get rid of the illegals voting perhaps.

So with the biggest white male threats from the Dem party, Swalwell and Beto are the biggest threats for 2020. Both are far leftist clowns, but these kinds of statements might be what we needed to get the Amish and other Pennsylvania types to break their religious traditions and go vote. Them and the Mennonites refuse to give up their guns. That was the big reason why Hillary could not win that state in 2016. The ads the Republicans ran plus her admitting that she would reinstate the Assault Gun Ban, was the straw that broke the camel's back.

We got a ways until 2020 so all these things need to be collected and remembered when the time comes or memes and political ads.


It is amazing what a stern letter from the Clinton Cabal can make these establishment hacks do...

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Whatever happened to Trumps "space force"? Anyone remember that? We were gonna militarize space or something. I guess that's a dud now. Two weeks ago Trump wanted to put an end to birthright citizenship. Now hes got dudes believing he's gonna tackle false rape kangaroo courts on college campuses. This guy is really good at riling up his base and then leaving them holding their cocks.
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Our biggest fear is that Trump's election, and for that matter any future presidency, will have no impact. That the elites have already won, and present America is a big lie.

While Trump has accomplished a tremendous amount, I think what his base wants the most is to see a clear and visual indication that Trump is actually in charge and isn't just a hamstrung figurehead.

The way I see it, there are basically two main ways we want this to be accomplished:

First, the wall must be built. The effectiveness of the wall can be debated, but honestly that's not the reason people care. The wall being built says clearly that Trump made a stand against illegal immigration and WON against the deep state or elites or whomever. Without the wall, any slowdowns in illegal immigration are likely to be temporary, whereas the wall is a permanent landmark that signifies victory instead of just more talk and then on to the next (pointless) election cycle. The wall is a giant middle finger from Trump & Trumps's base to signify that Trump is actually in charge, the president actually has power, and things are different this time. A lot of us are a little scared that Trump can't really do anything. Building the wall would alleviate this.

Further, a lot of us feel that there exists two separate classes of people, the common man (us) and the elites. This leads to the second solution:

Throw some motherfuckers in jail.

I realize the process is complicated and you can't 'just' throw people in jail, but we've been waiting 2 years now, listening to how the deep state are crooks, how the Clinton Foundation is a giant money laundering scheme, watch the media push endless lies about Russia, etc., but nothing visible has happened to the elites Trump is fighting. It's frustrating.

Who gets put in jail? Criminals of course, but also regular people over stupid stuff like missed alimony payments. The idea is that it's really easy for regular people to go to jail, but once you have some power no one can touch you. This is why so many of us cheered during the 2016 debates when Trump dropped the "because you'd be in jail," line on Hillary.* It struck a chord because, and especially after the 2008 financial crisis, we've been shown that the elites have no accountability and it's the average guy who is stuck cleaning up their mess and picking up the pieces.

Anyway, I love Trump and always remember he's doing this out of love on a $1 salary at the age of 72, but we're 2 years in now and if no clear cut & easy to see victories are won, the malaise will start to set in and a lot of Trump's base may lose faith in the democratic process. We have some of the most Trump loving people on this forum, and even here we are starting to wonder if anything impactful will happen or if Trump is just as trapped by the 'system.'

We don't expect Trump to completely turn America around, but we want to see some lasting damage to the Left's agenda + crooks in power.

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Put some traitors in jail

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(11-16-2018 08:35 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Basically.

I'm starting to get the extremely disconcerting sense that about the only thing Trump has power over is that Twitter account.

There's this creeping dread that he called up the Pentagon months ago and said "this is your commander in chief, mobilize the troops to the southern border" and all he could hear on the other end of the line was raucous laughter.

If he really is powerless then it's his pride that will be his downfall. The Americans that mattered had his back from day one. If he told them the truth then they would have backed him and taken care of business. Even just that ten percent of hardliners would have been all it took. He had only to say "I have reached the highest office to find my hands are tied, it's all a charade, it's up to the rest of you now".

Capitalized BIG CON? Sometimes I get the feeling that he's a prisoner in a gilded cage trying to get messages out past the warden.

The left fully intends to make the USA into Venezuela. They will descend into the mud and want to drag all the rest of us with them. Excuse me -- they are already in the mud, trying to pull us down. In a plague, the first problem is that sick people actively seek out and infect the healthy. The healthy either run, or shoot the sick dead and bury them quickly.

This, the essence of all leftism.

Trump and his supporters were a lucky break but they can and are being worn down. Leftists have infinite capacity to spew bullshit and it takes 10X more time to refute bullshit than to spew it.

What's the ultimate result? I still contend that the US is heading for a religious dictatorship. I don't know about AUS or CAN, those are their own cultures, but the US in times of chaos always regresses back to it's original genetic form: a puritan dictatorship. This has happened several times in our history, not quite as dramatically, but it did happen. Those rivers run deep in our national soul. Time: about 10 years from now. Probably Pence as leadership. Jointly run by Mormons and Evangelical Christians, with a healthy smattering of conservative catholics and muslims. Despite what many of you think, it will *not* be a good time for men, it will be just more SJW bullshit but now on the right wing and with mean white christian women. But it will at least allow men to be men again.

Maybe we'll luck out and the Democrats will use the next 2 years in stupid ways and will be crushed in the 2020 elections, but that's a slim hope.

Personally I'm trying to save enough money to protect my family.
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(11-16-2018 08:35 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Capitalized BIG CON SMOOTH PSYOP? Sometimes I get the feeling that he's a prisoner in a gilded cage trying to get messages out past the warden.

Fixed it for you.

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(11-17-2018 01:43 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  What's the ultimate result? I still contend that the US is heading for a religious dictatorship. I don't know about AUS or CAN, those are their own cultures, but the US in times of chaos always regresses back to it's original genetic form: a puritan dictatorship. This has happened several times in our history, not quite as dramatically, but it did happen. Those rivers run deep in our national soul. Time: about 10 years from now. Probably Pence as leadership. Jointly run by Mormons and Evangelical Christians, with a healthy smattering of conservative catholics and muslims. Despite what many of you think, it will *not* be a good time for men, it will be just more SJW bullshit but now on the right wing and with mean white christian women. But it will at least allow men to be men again.

Plot twist: it'll be a Puritan dictatorship with no religion driving the puritans. If you think the Christian religion holds any sway in US government decisions anymore I have a few Supreme Court decisions and the presence of Muslim, transgender, and openly bisexual Congressmen to show you. In particular I have the utter failure of the anti-pornography movement to show you. Americans believe in no God but themselves now, or at least a God who conveniently holds precisely the same positions they do on everything.

The America of this post-economic collapse will feel a lot like the Gilead of Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale that so many women secretly flick their clits over, but instead of old or white men in power, it'll be the young women of today grown old. It will be some moveable feast of Liberty For All and Equality For All (unless you're white) where the rules change every few weeks depending on who's having their period or who didn't get fucked in the ass proper last night.

Look at the dysfunction of Venezuela, Mexico, Honduras et. al. That's your majority demographic in 30 years time. And because only Europeans seem able to leave their cultural shit behind when they immigrate to America, that's the way your countries will look: IQ-90 masses with an even tinier elite who live well and ride the waves of ignorant, ill-informed popular discontent like a surfer.

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The big problem for Trump is that he has failed miserably when it comes to cleaning out the swamp and thus his hands are effectively tied behind his back. The fact that he hasn't managed to get any movement against Clinton, who is blatantly guilty, pretty much sums it up unfortunately.

Unless he can change that he's basically going to keep saying the right things but having the opposite happen, basically the status quo will be maintained by those who truly control the government.
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(11-17-2018 05:17 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  The big problem for Trump is that he has failed miserably when it comes to cleaning out the swamp and thus his hands are effectively tied behind his back. The fact that he hasn't managed to get any movement against Clinton, who is blatantly guilty, pretty much sums it up unfortunately.

Unless he can change that he's basically going to keep saying the right things but having the opposite happen, basically the status quo will be maintained by those who truly control the government.

The swamp just got swampier.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politic...rd-n937101

Quote:WASHINGTON — Miriam Adelson is a doctor, philanthropist and humanitarian, but is perhaps best known as the wife of Sheldon Adelson, a Las Vegas casino magnate considered one of the nation's most powerful Republican donors. She gets to add a new title Friday when President Donald Trump honors her with the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
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(11-17-2018 05:17 AM)JimBobsCooters Wrote:  The big problem for Trump is that he has failed miserably when it comes to cleaning out the swamp and thus his hands are effectively tied behind his back. The fact that he hasn't managed to get any movement against Clinton, who is blatantly guilty, pretty much sums it up unfortunately.

Unless he can change that he's basically going to keep saying the right things but having the opposite happen, basically the status quo will be maintained by those who truly control the government.

Think of how many career politicians he's effectively retired just by favoring another candidate.

what about all of those gov't employees that up and quit after Trump was elected? They drained themselves.

Did you think it was going to happen overnight?

The reason people will say "oh Trump hasn't done anything about the Swamp" is because the Swamp is also the system, not just the people. It's partisanship, grandstanding, collusion between departments, etc. You don't just snap your fingers and make it go away. Trumpism has to seep into the very foundations of our being first.

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Trump is not a dictator. So for the swamp to be drained it will take time. I'm going to leave grading his presidency until after 2020. If he wins and has the senate and maybe house then things can happen. When you have 9th circuit judges stopping your exec orders etc it is constant speed bumps for things to happen.

He has to build the wall and lock the white collar criminals up. However i really think he's playing the political game. He will wait till just before the election to break ground on the wall.
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I actually agree with Gmac. Trump has to work within the constraints of the existing bureaucracy and therefore, as of right now, there is very little he can accomplish. That being said, he is a political version of a big baller troll. He has talked a big game as far as what he would do while probably knowing that he'd do very little of it. That makes him unreliable, to say the least. He needs to shut the fuck up a little. The people don't give a fuck about "record unemployment numbers" and how high the Dow Jones is while there is an opioid epidemic and an immigration onslaught.
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Trump is giving his 100% and he is president. But it is becoming apparent that he is a figure head with no power. If this is the truth, then it is useful for the Eddies of the world to see it. Then they have the choice to take action.

It is revealing to contrast the media's treatment of Khashoggi vs. Assange.

The media goes 100% active over the alleged "Khashoggi assasination" causing the crown prince of Saudi Arabia to put on trial a few men for death, to placate the mob. But, no that is not enough. The CIA now comes out with a report that the Saudi crown prince was directly involved. For being such a great "journalist", try finding anything that Khashoggi has ever written. It's all gone. You can't see what a leftist he was, or his support of the Muslim brotherhood.

And for Assange? Totally ignored. That's correct. The one person in the world who can claim to be a real journalist is 100% ignored.

It is easy to see who was a contributing member of the deep state and who isn't. Khashoggi was one of the rats. The fake news media protect their own.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jamal-khash...018-11-16/

So, Assange is being indited by the Federal Government under Trump. Will Trump now also do the bidding of the deep state and turn against the Saudi prince? If the deep state hates him, he is probably a good guy. The only clear information we get anymore from the fake news, is who our enemies hate.

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(11-17-2018 10:05 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  I actually agree with Gmac. Trump has to work within the constraints of the existing bureaucracy and therefore, as of right now, there is very little he can accomplish. That being said, he is a political version of a big baller troll. He has talked a big game as far as what he would do while probably knowing that he'd do very little of it. That makes him unreliable, to say the least. He needs to shut the fuck up a little. The people don't give a fuck about "record unemployment numbers" and how high the Dow Jones is while there is an opioid epidemic and an immigration onslaught.

We seem to disagree on various issues but on this one we see eye to eye. If I get another White House email touting economic growth stats I'm going to hurl. Take some fucking action against the systematic suppression of free speech online (and offline) and build the damn wall. Stop playing nice and just force it though. You're already being demonized in 99% of the MSM so what the fuck do you have to lose? Your base is going to love you for it and the libtards will despise you the same.

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Trump has finally shown himself to be simply the ultimate Boomer. He thinks it's all about TV and showing the the dems are the real racists. It's going to be brutal folks. In the next few decades. Might head down to Tasmania with Leonard. Could do a LOT worse.

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