(11-04-2016 11:40 AM)Ocelot Wrote:  

(11-04-2016 06:46 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

(11-04-2016 06:25 AM)Ocelot Wrote:  THIS IS IT. Forget all the other leaks: this will have more impact on the female and cuckservative Christian bases than any amount of evidence of corruption, or treason. This spirit cooking shit is like a rail gun of pure degeneracy aimed at the collective amygdalas of the nation. Spread it far, and spread it wide.

Send this to everyone on the fence, and use it to demoralise everyone still in Hillary's camp. This cannot be repeated enough.

Ocelot, one single line in an email is not proof of anything and you (and anyone else) sending this stuff to people uninformed is going to make Trump supporters look totally insane, unless there is more clear incriminating evidence.
Furthermore, Shillary is not the sender or recipient (or even copied in) to these emails with strange keywords.
We must wait until more clear evidence emerges or they start making arrests.
We just have small pieces of a very complex puzzle, we do NOT have a smoking gun yet.
Keep up the investigation, but don't overreact.

Let me make something clear: I wasn't commenting on the veracity of the claim that John Podesta is in some satanic cult, any more than the media cared about the veracity of the claim that Corey Lewandowski assaulted Michelle Fields back in the primaries: these things have high propaganda value that is independent of their correctness. It is only necessary that they be (vaguely) plausible and the source be (vaguely) credible: these images are viscerally and emotionally powerful enough to influence a lot of people, especially cuckservative Christians who might otherwise vote against Trump as some kind of virtue signalling charade. The idea of satanic ritualism in politics might be enough to persuade these people to "hold their nose with one hand and vote with the other", as it were.

I, and presumably most of the other guys posting in this thread, have a confirmation bias against high-ranking members of the DNC and, given the already proven criminal behaviour they have engaged in, find it easy to accept seemingly far-fetched notions like this ritualistic cult behaviour, or paedophile child-trafficking rings that the average voter might not be as quick to believe. I accept that. However, I disagree that spreading this information will make Trump supporters look worse than it makes the DNC (and by extension Hillary) look.

The election is over in 4 days: they have no time to debunk this, and the energy with which shocking information spreads is always higher than that of the counter-information debunking it. It is materially irrelevant whether or not these claims are true. "At this point, what difference does it make?"

Stuff like this is shocking, and therefore emotionally engaging. People, in general, like being emotionally engaged much more than they like being intellectually engaged. This applies doubly for women, and is the primary reason why propaganda works to begin with. Notice that large numbers of people believe that 1 in 4 women are raped at university in spite of the fact this has already been rigorously debunked for years now.

(11-04-2016 08:33 AM)Libertas Wrote:  

Quote:It may not be "Satanic": well, throwing blood around and writing in blood on walls (about enjoyment of cuts and pain), is undeniably satanic.

Not necessarily.

"Satanic" means you're worshiping Satan. Throwing blood on walls doesn't necessarily mean you do so.

Like I said, it could just be edgelord "artistic expression," as weird as it is.

Are you sure these two things are different from eath other? It always seemed to me that Satanism is just a high form of edgelording. At the very least, the qualitative difference seems akin to that between a hooker and a pornstar. They're both whores.

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For some fun reading: here's an email where some guy (Edgar Mitchell, 6th man on the moon and a bit of a UFO kook) is emailing Podesta about disclosure of extra-terrestrials to the public, and the priority of researching zero-point energy to further man's space-faring abilities.

Obviously incredible, and low propaganda value, but entertaining nonetheless.

If I were going to use #SpiritCooking as propaganda, here's how I'd do it

1. I would target reluctant Traditional/Christian/Religious types who don't like Trump because he's Trump. I would not bother too much with Hillary's core progressive faction (young single women, etc.)

2. I would focus on how it's weird, degenerate spirituality. I would wonder what kind of values a person that engages in this kind of ritual might have? They're probably not Christian values, nor are they comfortably secular values. What does it say about the values of a person who is into rituals involving blood, semen, and breast milk? I figure this would be enough without saying "satanic." I would only say "Satanic" to someone I think would be really ready to believe it (an extremely religious person might, but a more secular person probably not).

3. If necessary, I'd distinguish it from abstract appreciation of artwork. Anyone can watch a movie about anything, and appreciate its content no matter whether you agree with it or not. Whatever. But that's not what it looks like Podesta was up to. It looks like this was a private ritual.

He's talking about the new emails...implying nasty stuff will be found in the emails.

Setting the table for long investigations. Prepping psyche for bad stuff

You know, up until now the forum members here who portrayed Trump as having a divine mission, being holy, or being sent from God to battle the antichrist always seemed totally ludicrous and over the top to me. I felt these men's absolute religious blind support for this man was really making them lose touch with reality.

However, now that these emails have been released that hint (I want to stress the word HINT) at such dark evil acts and rituals, I have to reconsider what kind of battle between good and evil we are actually witnessing here.

I mean really...


WHAT THE FUCK ?!?


If (let me say that again - "IF") they actually prove this, make arrests and can actually link it directly to Shillary with real irrefutable evidence, then I really will start to believe that Trump is truly here to battle the dark forces of evil.







As of today, in my mind, the battle between Trump and Shillary is starting to look a lot like this:

(11-04-2016 12:00 PM)Blaster Wrote:  If I were going to use #SpiritCooking as propaganda, here's how I'd do it

1. I would target reluctant Traditional/Christian/Religious types who don't like Trump because he's Trump. I would not bother too much with Hillary's core progressive faction (young single women, etc.)

Agreed, although the impact on black and hispanic Christians shouldn't be underestimated, even if they lean towards Hillary heavily as a group.

There are a lot of extremely religious blacks and hispanics who have no love for the Republican party, but who would be horrified to think the people they're voting for are engaging in degenerate, Satanic rituals. It might be enough to persuade some of them to stay at home, or even (less likely) vote Trump. Just a thought.

Agreed again with the Spirit Cooking stuff as a tool to persuade reluctant Christian voters. We need them.

But I do want to warn you about something. I'm just gonna quote my recent post.

Quote:The story is however, also a double-edged sword.

Because it seems so “out there,” a lot of people will be disinclined to believe it. Add the word “conspiracy” into the mix and critical analysis will shut down.

In comparison, you have the confirmed FBI criminal investigations into Hillary Clinton’s email server and the Clinton Foundation. And it all just looks dirtier and dirtier by the day.

There is no “conspiracy” with this. There isn’t any farfetched scenario that’s hard to understand or that requires extraordinary new evidence. The criminal case against Hillary Clinton and her top people on multiple levels is a damning indictment of her ability to convincingly be President of the United States.

And if you sow doubts in the minds of your prospects, the sale will not occur.

There is in fact a danger that this “spirit cooking” stuff can be used against Donald Trump’s side by the media, to dismiss them as “conspiracy theorists” and “loons,” taking attention off of the FBI criminal investigations, which is exactly what the Clintons want.

Ultimately, the “spirit cooking” case is something that may be best applied selectively, even locally, such as in Utah, Nevada, and Arizona. If there’s a danger that Christian conservative voters (especially Mormons) won’t show up or won’t vote for Trump, you can apply this one gently, according to their sensibilities, letting them see it for themselves and go into shock.

In other words, the “spirit cooking” stuff is the realm of the scalpel.

The FBI criminal investigations is the realm of the axe.

Whatever you do, don't take attention off the CRIMINAL FBI INVESTIGATIONS OF THE CLINTONS.

Those are confirmed, concrete. This is in the realm of "out there."

Underestimate the impact of word-thinking at your own peril.

(11-04-2016 12:16 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  You know, up until now the forum members here who portrayed Trump as having a divine mission, being holy, or being sent from God to battle the antichrist always seemed totally ludicrous and over the top to me. I felt these men's absolute religious blind support for this man was really making them lose touch with reality.

However, now that these emails have been released that hint (I want to stress the word HINT) at such dark evil acts and rituals, I have to reconsider what kind of battle between good and evil we are actually witnessing here.

I mean really...


WHAT THE FUCK ?!?


If (let me say that again - "IF") they actually prove this, make arrests and can actually link it directly to Shillary with real irrefutable evidence, then I really will start to believe that Trump is truly here to battle the dark forces of evil.

We knew you'd come around bro.

You know, a lot of men of faith discover their faith when they come face to face with real evil.

Vox Day Wrote:11/4 notes a conceptual connection:

Quote:Vox, in your AMA you said you became Christian after discovering Evil exists.

This shit just about has me reading a damn Bible, which even 2 years ago I would have scoffed at.

No formal definition is necessary. You see the pattern and know.

I wonder, if all of this comes out, will many other Americans react the same way. Could there be a religious revival under Trump?

It's not impossible. I've stated in the past that one reason I left the USA was due to my momentary glimpse into the social circles of power there. I met Donald Trump in passing back in 1988, as a consequence of a brief relationship with someone who was on the outskirts of those circles. And I had an amount of other exposure to various people in positions of not-insignificant power.

I didn't, and I don't, actually KNOW anything of substance in this regard. But, as the readers here know, my intelligence tends to run towards logic and pattern recognition. And what I sensed more than saw was an intrinsic and fundamental wrongness on the part of everyone involved. It literally made me feel a pressing urge to run, not walk, away from all of it. If you consider that I was not at all bothered being around the gay Chicago industrial scene that surrounded Wax Trax! at the same time, that may put the strength of that impression of wrongness in perspective.

The reason I have come to believe Christianity is true, that Jesus Christ is the hard and narrow path out of a fallen world, that the model of good and evil described in the Bible is real, is because it, and only it, explains the behavior of various people I have met in the course of my life to my satisfaction.

And it's also why I suspect that Donald Trump, the man who once described pedophile procurer Jeffrey Epstein as "a great guy", may have experienced a similar enlightenment at some point in time. As another commenter, leukosfash, observed:

I think The Golden Don found out about those poor kids years ago and he's been plotting all this time to avenge their suffering, even if it cost him his last nickle. There is a flinty grimness in his pursuit of the White House that I noticed, even when he's smiling, but I couldn't understand it until now. He literally loathes all of those evil fuckers; which also explains his refusal to go along with the yukks at that roast thingy.

I've noticed that grimness too. And more than that, I've noticed it in his family and in his entire circle. Nothing fazes them. Nothing even causes them to blink. And nothing can disguise their obvious loathing and contempt for his opponent and everyone around her. Watch Donald Trump Jr. in particular. He looks like he's itching to personally waterboard every single member of the Clinton inner circle.

We're in a serious war for the soul of our civilization men.

And remember, there are no atheists in foxholes.

Scubadude asked me to post this.

Quote:Even though I've been a member for years and have previously posted in the DT thread before the rules took effect, I will respect the rules now. Pass this on to the thread if you feel it's appropriate.

In regards to needing the Christian/Catholic/Mormon vote. I am personally hitting up all the respective FB groups and posting questions about the spirit cooking and pedo stuff as well as links about them. If RVF members would look at FB groups in their local area by searching for Moms of XYZ town, stay at home moms of xyz etc I guarantee that it would spread this weekend. Even post on Occupy Democrats etc, even if only up for a few minutes before getting taken down many people would see it that otherwise wouldn't.

Also if everyone would email the top 3 or 4 people in the mega churches of there town and say they are a concerned member it may get a little more attention.

Thanks

I'll be blunt, a lot of Christians are too stupid to understand how evil the left is. They still think it's un-Christian to kick out illegals and keep muslims out. There's literally a global organized system trying to wipe them out and they're not even aware of it. They think the whole world is like their small town, white community.

(11-04-2016 12:58 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I'll be blunt, a lot of Christians are too stupid to understand how evil the left is. They still think it's un-Christian to kick out illegals and keep muslims out.

I'm not sure if these Christian religious groups in the USA realize or not they have been under direct attack for many years now.

I became more aware of something truly sinister going on, when I found out that there is a specific genre of pornography exclusively targeted only towards Mormons, who strongly oppose masturbation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_pornography

Who the hell is funding and coordinating this shit ?

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Too late?

(11-04-2016 12:58 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  I'll be blunt, a lot of Christians are too stupid to understand how evil the left is. They still think it's un-Christian to kick out illegals and keep muslims out.

I'll be more blunt.

You don't need a 100% success rate when talking to these Christian fools, especially in swing states. A 3% success rate may very well be more than enough.

So don't look for reasons we'll fail before we've even tried.

In a propaganda war I understand the need to use anything to take down your opponent, and if this whole spirit cooking thing helps sway a few skittish women and men to Trump all the better, but honestly I couldn't give a toss if these people bathed in goat's blood everyday, that's immaterial. I only care about the rottenness, corruption and collusion involving the highest levels of power, the media, the anti nation state globalists and the spread of islam, feminism and cultural marxism. Writing a few words on a wall with blood and semen? That's for kids and bored millionaires trying to be edgy, it's not important in the big scheme of things.

(11-04-2016 09:14 AM)Wutang Wrote:  Michigan, a once safe state for Clinton is now "too close to call". I'm hoping for a repeat of what happened with Clinton vs Sanders during the primary there when every poll had Clinton winning by big margins but Sanders ended up taking the state.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...on-clinton

Quote:In Florida and North Carolina, Donald Trump and Clinton are now reportedly tied. The two candidates are also neck-and-neck in Ohio.
In Michigan, Clinton's lead over her Republican rival has decreased, they say, and the state is too close to call.

If the new polls in New Hampshire are accurate about Donald winning in New Hampshire AND if he can win Nevada, and one of Maine's electoral votes, that would put him at 270(assuming he hangs on and wins in Florida, North Carolina and Ohio and Nebraska's second district), without having to win Virginia, Michigan, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin. Obviously, the more swing states he can win, the better, but really Hillary can't be considered a favorite at this point. It wouldn't shock me at all if Trump wins Michigan(as noted a few times, Hillary lost Michigan in the primaries after having a huge lead there in the polls).

And NONE of this factors in the so called "monster vote" of voters that haven't voted in 30 years who are just totally dissatisfied with the system. I am not overconfident by any means, especially in light of all of the election fraud, I would expect a lot of fraud in Nevada and perhaps other swing states.

(11-04-2016 01:23 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  Writing a few words on a wall with blood and semen? That's for kids and bored millionaires trying to be edgy, it's not important in the big scheme of things.

I disagree, precisely for "grand scheme of things" reasons. Somebody engaging in such an activity for amusement, and leftism generally, are not separable. The only reason socialism, feminism, multiculturalism are not viewed with the same immediate disgust is because their anti-social degeneracy (leftism) is buried multiple layers of abstraction deep. The same anti-social moral corruption can make someone want to destroy everything and everyone around them just to make a quick buck, or it can makes somebody want to exhibit the "art" described here.

You don't think those sick fucks can't explain why their "spirit cooking" is actually a good and wholesome thing? You could put a left-leaning prole in a room with their best rhetorician and they'd have him a supporter of it in less than an hour. Same way they do with they rest of their stuff. It's all just different varieties of the same degeneracy and vice.

(11-04-2016 01:23 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  In a propaganda war I understand the need to use anything to take down your opponent, and if this whole spirit cooking thing helps sway a few skittish women and men to Trump all the better, but honestly I couldn't give a toss if these people bathed in goat's blood everyday, that's immaterial. I only care about the rottenness, corruption and collusion involving the highest levels of power, the media, the anti nation state globalists and the spread of islam, feminism and cultural marxism. Writing a few words on a wall with blood and semen? That's for kids and bored millionaires trying to be edgy, it's not important in the big scheme of things.

The spread of Islam, feminism and cultural Marxism is permitted by these degenerates precisely BECAUSE they are so morally degenerate. The spirit cooking and the bathing in goat's blood is EVIDENCE of their moral degeneracy. It's a sign telling you WHY things have gotten so bad. It's a clue Sherlock. Our society is so fucked up because disgusting cucks and skanks and child predators have been in charge for too long while the rest of us were trying to work and raise our families. Savvy?

Now the time has come for us to drain the swamp. It's time to burn down Sodom and Gomorrah. It's cleaning day.

(11-04-2016 01:41 PM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(11-04-2016 01:23 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  In a propaganda war I understand the need to use anything to take down your opponent, and if this whole spirit cooking thing helps sway a few skittish women and men to Trump all the better, but honestly I couldn't give a toss if these people bathed in goat's blood everyday, that's immaterial. I only care about the rottenness, corruption and collusion involving the highest levels of power, the media, the anti nation state globalists and the spread of islam, feminism and cultural marxism. Writing a few words on a wall with blood and semen? That's for kids and bored millionaires trying to be edgy, it's not important in the big scheme of things.

The spread of Islam, feminism and cultural Marxism is permitted by these degenerates precisely BECAUSE they are so morally degenerate. The spirit cooking and the bathing in goat's blood is EVIDENCE of their moral degeneracy. It's a sign telling you WHY things have gotten so bad. It's a clue Sherlock. Our society is so fucked up because disgusting cucks and skanks and child predators have been in charge for too long while the rest of us were trying to work and raise our families. Savvy?

Now the time has come for us to drain the swamp. It's time to burn down Sodom and Gomorrah. It's cleaning day.

Spare me of your high and mighty moral rectitude, apart from the pedo stuff, which so far just looks like it's wishful thinking, all that cult like stuff that you're harping about being degeneracy just looks like people that are bored and want to play around with dumb shit. It doesn't affect any of us as long as they're not harming others. You're equating these behaviors, that you happen not to like, with degeneracy and linking them to all the problems affecting the west, as if only leftists can be degenerates. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of right leaning, nation and culture preserving, free market capitalists, white picket fence upstanding citizens that pay their taxes that engage in what you would think is degenerate behavior in private, behind closed doors, without letting that influence their common sense overall.

What I'm saying is that you can engage in certain practices, degenerate or not and be left, right, center, whatever. Some leftists are degenerates but not all leftists are. I know you want to believe that all the people that are colluding to destroy the west are pedos that eat shit and take it up the ass from donkeys because it makes it easier to dislike them, but even if some do most likely most of these people are just in it for power, money or suffer from mental disabilities, or any combination of.

(11-04-2016 01:23 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  In a propaganda war I understand the need to use anything to take down your opponent, and if this whole spirit cooking thing helps sway a few skittish women and men to Trump all the better, but honestly I couldn't give a toss if these people bathed in goat's blood everyday, that's immaterial. I only care about the rottenness, corruption and collusion involving the highest levels of power, the media, the anti nation state globalists and the spread of islam, feminism and cultural marxism. Writing a few words on a wall with blood and semen? That's for kids and bored millionaires trying to be edgy, it's not important in the big scheme of things.

I understand, but that's a bit like saying "I don't care if a woman has green hair, a septum ring and is covered in tattoos, I only care if she's an angry feminist".

Sure, from a logical perspective, there's no reason these things are necessarily connected. But as a heuristic, I'm sure you and everyone on the board would agree the one is a good predictor of the other.

I don't want people at the highest levels of my government going home and painting occult symbols on the walls in pig entrails. I'm not even religious: the reasons I don't want these things are highly pragmatic.

1. It's weird and completely fucking degenerate.
2. I don't want weird and completely fucking degenerate individuals deciding my fate. They have an extreme tendency to hate normality and try to penalise those who aren't as fucked up as they are.
3. Behaviours that are highly esoteric and socially unacceptable increase the likelihood of those partaking in them being part of clandestine groups that the electorate is unaware of (READ: extreme corruption risk)
4. Those who get a kick out of transgressing social norms cannot be trusted not to slowly escalate from fucked-up-but-legal territory into serious criminal degeneracy involving children and llamas.
5. Did I mention it's weird and completely fucking degenerate? Have you ever drawn on the wall in pig entrails? I haven't, and I repped Kamikaze for his thread on anilingus. This is next-level degeneracy that, honestly, makes me feel less clean just for having discovered it.

Ocelot, I don't disagree completely with you, but I do disagree that you can't be a good leader just because you engage in certain practices that others might not like, are skittish about or downright consider degeneracy. I'm sure plenty of masculine, strong of mind and body, good fierce leaders throughout history and even today have been complete degenerates in private without letting that affect their love for their people and culture and still do a very good job enforcing a well oiled, sane and healthy society.

Some appropriate mood music for the recently discussed topics here:






Hopefully by tomorrow this thread will be a little less dark.

(11-04-2016 02:01 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  Spare me of your high and mighty moral rectitude

No. You are free to defend the moral degeneracy and I am free to attack it with my high and mighty moral rectitude. We disagree and we'll argue about it. And God will determine the truth of it.





But He will not spare you the shame of realizing that you're wrong. And neither will I.

(11-04-2016 02:01 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  I know you want to believe that all the people that are colluding to destroy the west are pedos that eat shit and take it up the ass from donkeys because it makes it easier to dislike them

I disliked them to begin with, then I found out later that they are pedos that eat shit and take it up the ass from donkeys. The horse came before the cart. My dislike for them, along with Trump's dislike for them and the dislike for them shared by the majority of Trump's supporters, is what led to the light being shined on the evil they were concealing in the darkness.

You're wrong about normal hard-working child-raising right-wing American families buddy. We are NOT anything like these people. NONE of us do things like this. Absolutely NONE. The fact that you don't get that speaks volumes about your flimsy grasp of reality.

(11-04-2016 08:50 AM)Blaster Wrote:  

(11-04-2016 01:39 AM)bacon Wrote:  With enormous gratitude to Advance Man Extraordinaire Haber, I am popping
>> up again to share our excitement about the Reprise of Our Gang’s visit to
>> the farm in Lovettsville. And I thought I’d share a couple more notes:
>> We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be
>> [b]Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and
>> almost 7)[/b] so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in
>> that pool for sure. And with the forecast showing prospects of some sun,
>> and a cooler temp of lower 60s, I suggest you bring sweaters of whatever
>> attire will enable us to use our outdoor table with a pergola overhead so
>> we dine al fresco (and ideally not al-CHILLo).

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10052

This is crazy. The way they describe the kids ages and how they will provide entertainment all signs point to pedophilia.

This one is weird but once again I must be skeptical.

The full names of the children are listed in the email. The last names of the children match the name of the sender (Tamera Luzzatto). Why would she be exploiting her own grandchildren(or maybe nieces/nephews)?

The continuation of the conversation involves mundane acknowledgements and light banter about the location. Nothing that would be consistent with any kind of hidden message.

The most plausible explanation I see for the language is that the other members of the group are also bringing their children, so the "entertainment" is about children entertaining each other. Somewhat weird language to use, but that's it.

Finally, there's nothing here that connects to the other purported "code" emails. There's no pattern or consistent feature to any these emails, other than children are involved somehow (and many of these people have children).

So again, complete lack of contextual clues that suggest a code (only: it involves children and the language is a little unusual), and a bunch of contextual clues that suggest it's just a simple gathering of family/colleagues.

4chan yesterday was able to find the girl named Maeve Luzzatto on a midwife website, there was a photo of a baby girl, and the email date match perfectly, the girl would be 7 by the time the email was sent.


These are sick people for real.

In case anyone missed it, at the Hershey rally last night, Trump invited up the parents of a Trump superfan who tragically died in a motorcycle accident, only 19 years old, this kid was well-loved by his peers and a Trump fan from the start. He was one of us.

They go into the story on how Riley's friend sent Trump a letter and not only did Trump tweet about it back in June - https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/stat...1044685824 - but he did even more, above and beyond what anyone would expect, which the video gets into.

They never talk about the positive Trump stories in the media of course, in the end he is just a really good, nice guy, solid human being. This story definitely hit me in the feels.

Based on early voting numbers(compared to 2012) and some other things I am beginning to believe that Nevada is not only lost for the election but for all elections. I believe this will become obvious on November 9th.

There has been a lot of work there and the hispanics have moved there in droves from California, Arizona, and obviously Central America. Probably many illegals who will be voting.

I hope I am wrong and I don't mean to push fear but we might need to stop counting on this state in general. I think we can do better with slightly left leaning whites or even blacks than immigrants who can't even speak english.

#lolitaexpress is starting I think. I'm cautious on this one since there isn't much information. There is a picture of a Bill with a supposedly teenage age woman named Rachel Chandler. If they are underage I don't want to post them here.