Post: #26

(11-06-2015 02:54 PM)CleanSlate Wrote:  I don't think I've ever achieved a consistent 2% conversion rate. Probably a lot less than 1% over my lifetime average, but who's counting?

I have a spreadsheet.

Post: #27

Assuming all the way to full on sex,

200 with no game based on that Social YouTube experiment

20 with game, based on forum averages
5-10 at mastery. Personal experience and self reporting of trusted players.

So even at best, looking at 80% failure.

Getting better than 50% is fame or gifted genetically or major environmental change.

But most veteran players i know will chat up at least 5 cute girls in a night. The failures are mostly the brush off. Spit a few bars and roll if the place is jumping. If you live in a place with an active scene getting a new notch every night is not out of the realm of possibility.

And since real life is never a smooth distribution curve, some weeks are better than others.

WIA

Post: #28

(11-06-2015 03:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Assuming all the way to full on sex,

200 with no game based on that Social YouTube experiment

WIA

Link?

Post: #29

(11-06-2015 03:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Assuming all the way to full on sex,

200 with no game based on that Social YouTube experiment

20 with game, based on forum averages
5-10 at mastery. Personal experience and self reporting of trusted players.

So even at best, looking at 80% failure.

Getting better than 50% is fame or gifted genetically or major environmental change.

But most veteran players i know will chat up at least 5 cute girls in a night. The failures are mostly the brush off. Spit a few bars and roll if the place is jumping. If you live in a place with an active scene getting a new notch every night is not out of the realm of possibility.

And since real life is never a smooth distribution curve, some weeks are better than others.

WIA

I'm not patting myself on the back here and I'll be the first to say that I need to approach much more, but I would say it takes me between one and four approaches to get a bang outside of Mexico and as many as twenty in Mexico. I know it's not normal, so feel free to doubt me.

Post: #30

So you have a better than 25% approach to lay ratio? Is that in the US? Day game? 6 + girls?

Post: #31

(11-06-2015 04:33 PM)Dusty Wrote:  So you have a better than 25% approach to lay ratio? Is that in the US? Day game? 6 + girls?

That's basically day game and night game in both the United States and Latin America, excluding Mexico and Argentina. I'm really reserved and don't approach much, but when I do, I get great results. When I'm in the D.C. area, I work like crazy and basically spend the rest of my time in the gym and sleeping. I get some butterfaces, some above average, and some at the top. The worst I will do is a girl with a nice body, but an ugly face. I sense some controversy coming, but as I said, I know it isn't normal.

Post: #32

I believe you. I haven't been approaching much this year either, but in previous times could often get a bang within 5 approaches. I'm talking about night game. This can be done with good game plus pre-approach screening, but an additional element is developing a sort of sixth sense about which girls you encounter are into you or just DTF in general. It's impossible to describe in words; it might be a certain look in her eyes, the briefest facial expression or slightest body movement or something in her tone of voice, and somehow you just know.

Post: #33

@Merenguero

That sounds right for you. You've previously said that chicks approach you as well. You're probably a handsome mf'er!

The numbers are really about what you should expect. No dude slays them all. But in my experience new regular notches of cute to extremely attractive women is within grasp of most who go down this path.

Usually something else takes a player out of the running. Time, life responsibilities, mini ltrs, frustration , disgust, boredom.

Meeting women is just a skillset.

WIA

Post: #34

(11-06-2015 03:49 PM)Stun Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 03:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Assuming all the way to full on sex,

200 with no game based on that Social YouTube experiment

WIA

Link?

WIA

Post: #35

(11-06-2015 04:43 PM)MrXY Wrote:  I believe you. I haven't been approaching much this year either, but in previous times could often get a bang within 5 approaches. I'm talking about night game. This can be done with good game plus pre-approach screening, but an additional element is developing a sort of sixth sense about which girls you encounter are into you or just DTF in general. It's impossible to describe in words; it might be a certain look in her eyes, the briefest facial expression or slightest body movement or something in her tone of voice, and somehow you just know.

You can do some pre-approach game as well.

Eyecoding/Eye Fucking, fishing for eye contact - it's low level game, but it's effective.

You can stack the deck, by going to venues where you get a lot of love...

It's not all just "hey how you doing, guess what I saw this guy with a snake around his shoulders outside..."

WIA

Post: #36

(11-06-2015 07:34 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 03:49 PM)Stun Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 03:24 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  Assuming all the way to full on sex,

200 with no game based on that Social YouTube experiment

WIA

Link?

WIA

I didn't watch the second video, but I think this guy could (and probably does) really kill it by just doing normal approaches. The guy seems really confident and overall, the girls are receptive to him. That white girl early in the first video who acted like she didn't know what he was saying and threw her drink on him would probably reject anybody.

Post: #37

Interesting how she was one of ugliest bitches with no sense of humour. Most of the girls took it in stride in fun. Most of the girls in the video, in my opinion, were relatively attractive which was not something I was expecting. Based on the beach venues I'm pretty sure it is SoCal.

I agree, I think most of these girls would have been down if she didn't hit them with the apocalypse opener. He's a fit dude with confidence and a good sense of humour.

Post: #38

(11-06-2015 08:43 PM)LAX Wrote:  Interesting how she was one of ugliest bitches with no sense of humour. Most of the girls took it in stride in fun. Most of the girls in the video, in my opinion, were relatively attractive which was not something I was expecting. Based on the beach venues I'm pretty sure it is SoCal.

I agree, I think most of these girls would have been down if she didn't hit them with the apocalypse opener. He's a fit dude with confidence and a good sense of humour.

It was San Diego. Southern California is loaded with quality girls and is the most underrated place on the forum. Colombians do nothing for me. What's funny is I think the American girls in the first video were much more receptive than the European girls in the second video. Was that three hundred pound black girl who was giving him a hard time in second video American?

Post: #39

Numbers are hugely personal, as others have said.

I have pretty high stats, but that means nothing. It's because I only really approach when I've pre-screened and got good IOIs, so odds are stacked in my favour.

HOWEVER, I see this as a bad thing - If I approached more, my strike rate would go down, but overall notch count would climb faster.

I'm trying to get less selective in my approaches.

TL;DR: strike rate is meaningless on its own, unless you're already approaching literally every fly girl you see.

Post: #40

(11-06-2015 03:05 PM)Dusty Wrote:  I have a spreadsheet.

I came up with a written notation system using icons.

Post: #41

(11-06-2015 07:50 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  I didn't watch the second video, but I think this guy could (and probably does) really kill it by just doing normal approaches. The guy seems really confident and overall, the girls are receptive to him. That white girl early in the first video who acted like she didn't know what he was saying and threw her drink on him would probably reject anybody.

I'm not sure why you watched the first.

Had he had any kind of game, his #'s would be significantly better.
But the "apocalypse" opener is just that. Something you say if you're the last man on earth, or the world is about to end.

WIA

Post: #42

GLL had a much dimmer review for those same clips.

Post: #43

(11-07-2015 02:19 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:50 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  I didn't watch the second video, but I think this guy could (and probably does) really kill it by just doing normal approaches. The guy seems really confident and overall, the girls are receptive to him. That white girl early in the first video who acted like she didn't know what he was saying and threw her drink on him would probably reject anybody.

I'm not sure why you watched the first.

Had he had any kind of game, his #'s would be significantly better.
But the "apocalypse" opener is just that. Something you say if you're the last man on earth, or the world is about to end.

WIA

I think the videos are fake (I only watched the first one). You can't show a persons face without permission. So I doubt a girl who throws a drink on him is going to agree to have her face on video (or for that matter, the Asian girl who seems to be considering having sex with him).

Post: #44

(11-07-2015 01:06 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

(11-07-2015 02:19 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(11-06-2015 07:50 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  I didn't watch the second video, but I think this guy could (and probably does) really kill it by just doing normal approaches. The guy seems really confident and overall, the girls are receptive to him. That white girl early in the first video who acted like she didn't know what he was saying and threw her drink on him would probably reject anybody.

I'm not sure why you watched the first.

Had he had any kind of game, his #'s would be significantly better.
But the "apocalypse" opener is just that. Something you say if you're the last man on earth, or the world is about to end.

WIA

I think the videos are fake (I only watched the first one). You can't show a persons face without permission. So I doubt a girl who throws a drink on him is going to agree to have her face on video (or for that matter, the Asian girl who seems to be considering having sex with him).

Of course you can. No right to privacy in public places.