Post: #1

My personal opinion is that Fallon Fox should fight, and continue to pummel the shit out of "natural" women. Not because I hate women, but Fallon is the best evidence that men and women are NOT the same. I look forward to seeing what you guys think.

Quote:Transgender mixed martial arts (MMA) competitor Fallon Fox is facing new criticisms after breaking the eye socket of his last opponent.

On Saturday, Fox defeated Tamikka Brents by TKO at 2:17 of the first round of their match. In addition to the damaged orbital bone that required seven staples, Brents received a concussion. In a post-fight interview this week, she told Whoa TV that "I've never felt so overpowered ever in my life."

“I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because [he] was born a man or not, because I’m not a doctor,” she stated. “I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life, and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right. ”

His “grip was different,” she added. “I could usually move around in the clinch against...females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch.”

Fox's gender controversy is not new. In March 2013, after a 39-second knockout victory, it was revealed that Fox had not told the MMA community about his sex-change operation, which took place in 2006. That bout was the fifth straight first-round victory for the then-37-year old Fox, including his three amateur bouts, and his second victory as a professional fighter.

A video of the Brents fight taken by a ringside fan shows Fox throwing several powerful knees to the face and torso of Brents at the start of the match, who pulled guard to protect herself. Soon, Brents turned her back to avoid damage, where she took approximately 45 seconds of elbow and fist strikes – many blocked by her hands and arms – before the referee stopped the fight.

Critics of Fox abound, especially in light of the Brents fight. Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) female champ Ronda Rousey told TMZ that while she would fight Fox, allowing transgender men to fight is "a case-by-case scenario."

"I feel like, if you already go through puberty as a man, that's something you can't really reverse," said Rousey, who said that it "would be fine" if a boy who was on hormone therapy to become a woman prior to puberty wanted to fight as a woman.

Because Fox had transgender surgery so late in life, however, Rousey said that he shouldn't fight women.

Likewise, last year, UFC announcer Joe Rogan made his opinion unambiguously and graphically clear, saying on his podcast that a transgendered man would "have all the bone structure that comes with” being a man. “You have bigger hands, you have bigger shoulder joints."

Speaking to LifeSiteNews, military veteran Jeff Nader, who has fought for UFC competitor Bellator, said that “Fallon Fox has had the benefits of being a man for most of his life. [He has] bone density, muscle mass, and other physical benefits that one gets from being a man. You can't have that, and then make a minor adjustment -- basically, a cosmetic adjustment -- and suddenly claim to be a woman."

"Nothing can take away from the fact that you are physically a man. Mentally and emotionally, who knows -- but physically, he's a man."

Nader said that Fox's loss to a woman earlier this year "doesn't matter." He told LifeSiteNews that "I am 220 pounds right now, and there are some women who would beat me in a grappling match because they have better technique. But that's in grappling, which doesn't involve striking. My wife has beaten several men in regulated grappling matches, but when you involve striking, that changes the equation. The physicality involved in MMA, including brute strength, changes the equation."

Combat sambo practitioner and former amateur boxer Brian Ledoux was likewise critical of Fox's decision to compete, saying that "I do not think a transgender male should be able to fight in female sports. I consider myself to be socially liberal on most subjects, but not when it comes to this scenario."

"In my opinion, when it comes to something like combat sports there is a clear physical advantage a transgender male could have over a female fighter. This is coming from my basic understanding of the physiological difference between the sexes,” Ledoux said. “These advantages create an uneven playing field in a sport that is already dealing with things like PED abuse, blood doping, etc."

"While I respect an individual’s rights to live their own life," Ledoux told LifeSiteNews, "I think in the case of MMA and combat sports a clear line should be drawn."

Former professional MMA fighter Dennis "Old School" Siggins told LifeSiteNews that "I totally disagree" with Fox fighting."

"Even if a transgender male loses some of his physical strength, that person will still likely have a tremendous strength advantage over...female opponents," said Siggins, who in addition to fighting also formerly ran and reported for the biggest MMA website in New England and New York. "A transgender male is simply bigger and more powerful than a female, and should not, I believe, be allowed to compete in female combat sports."

Fox has received support from some quarters, including from the first openly homosexual UFC fighter, Liz Carmouche. After Fox's surgery became public, Carmouche told the homosexual advocacy site GLAAD that "the MMA community – people who work in the gyms, the trainers and sparring partners and the fans – all openly embraced me as an athlete and I’m proud to see that also happening with a transgender athlete."

Carmouche said, “If a world-regarded respected body like the Nevada Athletic Commission licenses her as a female competitor, and says she has no performance advantage, then that should be good enough for everyone."

After Fox's past was revealed, Championship Fighting Alliance women’s tournament was canceled in support of Fox, who was under a great deal of pressure at the time because he had falsely claimed the California boxing commission had approved her fighting license. Fox says the misunderstanding -- Fox's application was being considered in California -- was accidental.

In an interview with "Inside MMA," Fallon said that "I don’t believe that a transgender fighter should have to disclose her personal medical history to other female fighters before they fight. It’s simply for the reason the medical community and the scientific community have come to the consensus that post-operative transsexual fighters who have been on hormone-replacement therapy and testosterone suppression, when they’re going from male to female, haven’t been found to have any physiological advantages over other women.”

Fox also said that some women who don't want to fight him may choose that path because they "might be a hate-filled person" or "have a bias." He said that "I don't want to fight those people, anyways, because they're scared.” He wants to fight someone who will fight "aggressively."

One fighter who did try to be aggressive was Brents. Her conclusion is that Fox shouldn't fight with women. “Any other job or career I say have a go at it, but when it comes to a combat sport I think it just isn’t fair. At least not until we have more scientific proof that it is or isn’t fair. More research is needed for sure."

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/transg...her-eye-so

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Quote:t’s simply for the reason the medical community and the scientific community have come to the consensus that post-operative transsexual fighters who have been on hormone-replacement therapy and testosterone suppression, when they’re going from male to female, haven’t been found to have any physiological advantages over other women.”

Consensus =/= science.

Post: #3

Quote:"not until we have more scientific proof that it is or isn’t fair. More research is needed for sure."

I get the premise, I think it's flawed, but I get it.

I also think this perfectly sums up the average opinion of the college educated female. They want some group to come out with research that tells them how to think.

Everything's ok doll, we have our best men..uh...people working on it.

Post: #4

I took up boxing recently so the topic has come up regularly in conversations with female acquaintances. I'd mention that we have some very good female boxers at the club, and my female friends had to tell me how empowering that makes them feel, that women are just as strong as men, and simply need to be encouraged to take up the fighting sports.

Except that none of those chicks has ever fought a man in any fighting art, ever, nor have they done any fighting, in fact. And none of the female boxers at my club would ever agree with them, as they actually had to spar men at some stage.

So I hope this tranny gets to stick around to wreck shit up, while we all get the pop corn.

Post: #5

Remember kids, biology says "no" to your gender neutral thoughts.

I'd watch the fight where its this tranny vs that Ronda girl. Ronda wouldn't know whether to be turned on or disgusted with herself after she gets turned inside out and takes a nap on the floor.

Post: #6

1. Find a big tiger and take it to the US
2. Claim that the tiger identifies as a human
3. Enter the tiger in MMA fights
4. ???
5. Profit

Post: #7

(06-09-2015 08:51 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  I took up boxing recently so the topic has come up regularly in conversations with female acquaintances. I'd mention that we have some very good female boxers at the club, and my female friends had to tell me how empowering that makes them feel, that women are just as strong as men, and simply need to be encouraged to take up the fighting sports.

Except that none of those chicks has ever fought a man in any fighting art, ever, nor have they done any fighting, in fact. And none of the female boxers at my club would ever agree with them, as they actually had to spar men at some stage.

So I hope this tranny gets to stick around to wreck shit up, while we all get the pop corn.

I agree. I actually really liked and respected all the chicks who competed out of the gyms I was part of. They were good girls, full of positive attitude and no drama, and their skill and courage was highly respectable.

That doesn't change the fact that they just lacked the physicality to trouble a bloke at all. I used to train with a top 130lb girl, a dedicated and talented athlete, and she'd still get her arse handed to her by a green 130lb bloke with 20 or so rounds of sparring under his belt.

Post: #8

(06-09-2015 08:41 AM)Aenigmarius Wrote:  

Quote:It’s simply for the reason the medical community and the scientific community have come to the consensus that post-operative transsexual fighters who have been on hormone-replacement therapy and testosterone suppression, when they’re going from male to female, haven’t been found to have any physiological advantages over other women.”

Consensus =/= science.

It's not like there would be any negative consequences to breaking this 'consensus' as a scientist, right? ...r-right?

Post: #9

Quote:One fighter who did try to be aggressive was Brents. Her conclusion is that Fox shouldn't fight with women. “Any other job or career I say have a go at it, but when it comes to a combat sport I think it just isn’t fair. At least not until we have more scientific proof that it is or isn’t fair. More research is needed for sure."

Yet women think they're "strong" enough to be made navy seals, or serve on the front lines in the army, or even become a LEO or firefighter. Ludicrous!

Post: #10

(06-09-2015 09:14 AM)KofiKingston Wrote:  Yet women think they're "strong" enough to be made navy seals, or serve on the front lines in the army, or even become a LEO or firefighter. Ludicrous!

We shall wait until more research is done empirically in the fields with cooperating ISIS militants, criminals and live fire to decide whether it's fair or not.

Post: #11

Fallon Fox has a loss on his record.

Just curious if anyone who knows more about MMA than I do explain how Ashlee Evans-Smith managed to win:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU7FMgQjCNw

Post: #12

(06-09-2015 08:41 AM)Aenigmarius Wrote:  

Quote:t’s simply for the reason the medical community and the scientific community have come to the consensus that post-operative transsexual fighters who have been on hormone-replacement therapy and testosterone suppression, when they’re going from male to female, haven’t been found to have any physiological advantages over other women.”

Consensus =/= science.

Consensus also isn't consensus when there are objections, especially informed objections like there are here. I hate when SJW's try to argue from "consensus"when they are trying to dismiss objections to their bullshit.

Post: #13

Well whats with the Gracies? They beat most of their bigger opponents. So maybe those women just don't train hard enough. lol

Post: #14

(06-09-2015 09:33 AM)Blaster Wrote:  Fallon Fox has a loss on his record.

Just curious if anyone who knows more about MMA than I do explain how Ashlee Evans-Smith managed to win:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU7FMgQjCNw

See Jeff Nader's comments in the article the OP posted. Technique matters in combat sports. Chances are this Fallon Fox character is just not very skilled and is using superior physical attributes to win fights, but sometimes that's not gonna be enough. To really see the difference a top UFC male fighter would have to get a sex change and fight women, then people could see what a difference it makes.

I know we all like to beat the 'rah rah rah women are inferior physically' drum, and it's absolutely true, but take a look at any sport that's easy to compare numericaly (track and field, olympic or power lifting): elite level, well trained women are able to do things that un or poorly trained men can't. It's just that you only have to change the comparison slightly (moderately trained women vs poorly trained men, elite level women vs middle-of-the-pack males) to see what a difference there is.

Post: #15

(06-09-2015 10:01 AM)viajero Wrote:  I know we all like to beat the 'rah rah rah women are inferior physically' drum, and it's absolutely true, but take a look at any sport that's easy to compare numericaly (track and field, olympic or power lifting): elite level, well trained women are able to do things that un or poorly trained men can't. It's just that you only have to change the comparison slightly (moderately trained women vs poorly trained men, elite level women vs middle-of-the-pack males) to see what a difference there is.

True.

You only have to look at the Battle of the sexes tennis matches in the 70's which ushered in 3rd or 4th wave feminism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_t...8tennis%29


Billie Jean King went up against some a middle of the pack tennis pro who saw an opportunity there for spectacle.

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Post: #17

^ that is hilarious

I don't even get who is watching the women MMA fights? Who finds that entertaining?

Post: #18

HaHa. That is hilarious, and actually a good way to counteract the ridiculousness that is transgender social justice. The SJW have lots of time on their hands. The plan should be to convince them that all men who pretend to be women (transgender's) should be allowed to compete as females in any and all sporting codes. Then just sit back and watch them work on their own demise.

The reactions will simply be priceless, especially in the proportion of sportswomen who are in the butch/lesbian camp. Seeing them being trounced by transgenders would be top class entertainment.

Post: #19

Quote:UFC women's bantamweight champion, Ronda Rousey, has stated she is not willing to take on Fox; she cites an unfair advantage due to bone density and male bone structure. She stated in her interview with TMZ, "if you go through puberty as a man it’s not something you can reverse…There’s no undo button on that." UFC president Dana White stated that "bone structure is different, hands are bigger, jaw is bigger, everything is bigger. I don’t believe in it. I don’t think someone who used to be a man and became a woman should be able to fight a woman.”[12]

During Fox's fight against Tamikka Brents, Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head. After her loss, Brents took to social media to fuel the controversy surrounding Fox's unfair advantage. She stated that "I've fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right,” she stated. “Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch…"

Post: #20

Didn't that cunt Rousey claim that she could take out the likes of Floyd Mayweather and whoever the UFC Champion was at the time?

But yet she won't fight another woman? (Don't you dare say SHE isn't a woman, after all it's what she personally identifies that matters)

This is fucking hilarious.

Post: #21

Quote:"I feel like, if you already go through puberty as a man, that's something you can't really reverse," said Rousey, who said that it "would be fine" if a boy who was on hormone therapy to become a woman prior to puberty wanted to fight as a woman.

Because Fox had transgender surgery so late in life, however, Rousey said that he shouldn't fight women.

Isn't this the same bitch claiming she can beat up men - even guys like Floyd Mayweather and Ray Rice? An average skinny farmboy would fuck up her entire world.

EDIT^^^^Got ninja'd by iamdegaussed.

Post: #22

I remember Joe Rogan was talking about this on his podcast. He talked about the bone structure and hands and how its not even close, and how its subject that causes him to attacked on twitter. He also mentioned that even in Pool, the top male players will always beat the top women players.

I'm watching the Women's World Cup now and the women are so noticeably slower that it makes you wonder why this is even a discussion.

Post: #23

(06-09-2015 12:06 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  I remember Joe Rogan was talking about this on his podcast. He talked about the bone structure and hands and how its not even close, and how its subject that causes him to attacked on twitter. He also mentioned that even in Pool, the top male players will always beat the top women players.

One thing that surprised me sparring with women is that not only are they not as strong or fast as men, they very obviously don't have the same level of coordination or reflex either. The difference might not be as pronounced but it's there.

(06-09-2015 12:06 PM)aSimpNamedBrokeback Wrote:  I'm watching the Women's World Cup now and the women are so noticeably slower that it makes you wonder why this is even a discussion.

Is it a discussion though? I've never met anyone who actually believed women could equal men of a comparable level within their sport. Maybe a few internet trolls. Even people who believe Ronda Rousey could beat a UFC fighter believe that she can do it in spite of being a woman, not because women are equal to men in fighting ability. That's a key difference (they are still wrong of course, and morons).

If anyone doesn't believe it, it's very documented that women are far slower than men (100m, 200m times), have less endurance (times in distance running or other aerobic sports), can't jump as well/are less explosive (high jump, long jump), and aren't nearly as strong (power lifting, olympic lifting). Those qualities, along with sport-specific skills, are what go into being a good athlete so it's just common sense that the genders can't be compared.

Post: #24

He's a pretty mediocre fighter too, since he got defeated and also went the distance with some female fighters.

Post: #25

(06-09-2015 12:34 PM)viajero Wrote:  Is it a discussion though? I've never met anyone who actually believed women could equal men of a comparable level within their sport. Maybe a few internet trolls. Even people who believe Ronda Rousey could beat a UFC fighter believe that she can do it in spite of being a woman, not because women are equal to men in fighting ability. That's a key difference (they are still wrong of course, and morons).

This very question made the rounds on Imgur - and Imgur makes fun of the feminazi trolls on Tumblr - yet even they were almost unanimous in believing that Rousey could beat both Mayweather and Rice. And they all believe the story that she put several dudes in the hospital like some sort of superhero.

It's sad. I used to like the show Arrow, then they introduced a 5'1" actress who would beat the living fuck out of a dozen hardened criminals. It's sickening to think that people believe it could happen.