Post: #1

Quote:SHOCK STAT: ABORTIONS COUNT FOR 27 PER CENT OF ALL DEATHS IN ENGLAND AND WALES

Aborted babies accounted for more than a quarter of all deaths in England and Wales in 2013, official figures reveal.

According to figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), there were 506,790 recorded deaths in England and Wales in 2013 – the most recent year for which figures are available. These, however, do not include abortions.

Separate figures, also compiled by the ONS, reveal that a total of 185,331 abortions took place in England and Wales in the same year.

Adding the total number of unborn babies who died as a result of abortion in 2013 to the total number of recorded deaths in England and Wales brings the overall death total to 692,121. This means that 26.78 per cent of the deaths were caused by abortion.

The figure has remained relatively stable for the past few years, with abortions accounting for 27.76 per cent of deaths in 2010, 28.17 per cent in 2011 and 27.05 per cent in 2012.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/...n-england/

Post: #2

You'd rather these 185331 hoes too dumb to take birth control pop out some useless kids and get government assistance to 'raise' them?

Post: #3

(06-08-2015 12:56 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  You'd rather these 185331 hoes too dumb to take birth control pop out some useless kids and get government assistance to 'raise' them?

Perhaps not, but in an age where many powerful European an Asian nations are experiencing abysmal birthrates, the trend of mass abortions is certainly not helping.

Post: #4

(06-08-2015 01:07 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 12:56 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  You'd rather these 185331 hoes too dumb to take birth control pop out some useless kids and get government assistance to 'raise' them?

Perhaps not, but in an age where many powerful European an Asian nations are experiencing abysmal birthrates, the trend of mass abortions is certainly not helping.

There are 60 million people in the UK give or take some. We're taking in 100k a year from immigration. We don't need them or their mothers sucking yet more government funds and increasing crime.

Post: #5

Foetuses aren't people, so can't be added to a deathtoll. Also if they haven't lived can they really have died?

Post: #6

^A foetus consists of a body of human cells with a distinct genome undergoing cellular respiration. It is a person. Anything else is reality denial. I was once foetus sized, and so were you Redpill.

The question is not whether or not a foetus is a person, which is a 'is the earth round' question, but whether or not it is moral to kill your young for your own convenience. To be consistent, if abortion is moral then neonaticide should probably be moral too, given most of the arguments that underpin abortion.

Post: #7

This is just a question I think about when people shout about reproductive rights.

Post: #8

(06-08-2015 01:48 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 01:07 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 12:56 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  You'd rather these 185331 hoes too dumb to take birth control pop out some useless kids and get government assistance to 'raise' them?

Perhaps not, but in an age where many powerful European an Asian nations are experiencing abysmal birthrates, the trend of mass abortions is certainly not helping.

There are 60 million people in the UK give or take some. We're taking in 100k a year from immigration. We don't need them or their mothers sucking yet more government funds and increasing crime.

I'm speaking more to the overall trend in the West of aborting babies in general because Millennials don't want to be parents.

This is totally going to turn into a pro-life/pro-choice debate isn't it? Brutal.

Post: #9

that is an important part of the question, if its not a person, its not a death or murder then and its completely different to neonaticide.

so reality denial? you gotta draw the line somewhere at what is a person or not, otherwise you could argue an impregnated egg is a person.
some would say the line can be drawn at 28 weeks or whatever. its not a person, when I found out my mum has had a miscarriage, was I supposed to be really upset over over my brother/sister that i never had? I thought that sucks for my parents but at least they had my sister a few years later. It doesn't seem rational to be upset over random people aborting pregnancies. Also you can't outlaw it because then it will just go underground, its been around for a while.

Post: #10

(06-08-2015 02:21 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  ^A foetus consists of a body of human cells with a distinct genome undergoing cellular respiration. It is a person. Anything else is reality denial. I was once foetus sized, and so were you Redpill.

The question is not whether or not a foetus is a person, which is a 'is the earth round' question, but whether or not it is moral to kill your young for your own convenience. To be consistent, if abortion is moral then neonaticide should probably be moral too, given most of the arguments that underpin abortion.

Of course it is immoral to kill your child for your own convenience. I don't think any rational person would argue otherwise.

Post: #11

(06-08-2015 02:41 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  that is an important part of the question, if its not a person, its not a death or murder then and its completely different to neonaticide.

so reality denial? you gotta draw the line somewhere at what is a person or not, otherwise you could argue an impregnated egg is a person.
some would say the line can be drawn at 28 weeks or whatever. its not a person, when I found out my mum has had a miscarriage, was I supposed to be really upset over over my brother/sister that i never had? I thought that sucks for my parents but at least they had my sister a few years later. It doesn't seem rational to be upset over random people aborting pregnancies. Also you can't outlaw it because then it will just go underground, its been around for a while.

Well to that point you either look at it objectively (what the law states and what the policies are in your country/state/province) or look at it objectively (what your personal opinion is based on your own morals and ethics).

I'm looking at it in a broader spectrum in that abortion is more and more being used as just another form of birth control and it perpetuates this culture of anti-family. It's not like every abortion is from a ONS or a rape. Plenty of them are from likely stable and responsible couples who made an oopsie but having a kid sucks because it would totally get in the way of more important priorities like careers and having fun and fulfilling life experiences like traveling etc.

Post: #12

(06-08-2015 12:56 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  You'd rather these 185331 hoes too dumb to take birth control pop out some useless kids and get government assistance to 'raise' them?

Yes, I think that these children would helped to bankrupt the current welfare state if they were alive and helped usher in freedom for everyone else. Abortion is an evil way to keep state costs down.

Also, the idea the we can know for sure what these children would have been is arrogant and sinful.

Imagine if these famous people below had been aborted?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_or...foundlings

Read the list above. Fucking Aristotle was abandoned as a child. Obviously he was just another "useless kid."

Post: #13

(06-08-2015 01:48 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 01:07 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 12:56 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  You'd rather these 185331 hoes too dumb to take birth control pop out some useless kids and get government assistance to 'raise' them?

Perhaps not, but in an age where many powerful European an Asian nations are experiencing abysmal birthrates, the trend of mass abortions is certainly not helping.

We're taking in 100k a year from immigration.

Isn't that bad?

Post: #14

(06-08-2015 12:35 PM)N°6 Wrote:  

Quote:SHOCK STAT: ABORTIONS COUNT FOR 27 PER CENT OF ALL DEATHS IN ENGLAND AND WALES

Aborted babies accounted for more than a quarter of all deaths in England and Wales in 2013, official figures reveal.

According to figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), there were 506,790 recorded deaths in England and Wales in 2013 – the most recent year for which figures are available. These, however, do not include abortions.

Separate figures, also compiled by the ONS, reveal that a total of 185,331 abortions took place in England and Wales in the same year.

Adding the total number of unborn babies who died as a result of abortion in 2013 to the total number of recorded deaths in England and Wales brings the overall death total to 692,121. This means that 26.78 per cent of the deaths were caused by abortion.

The figure has remained relatively stable for the past few years, with abortions accounting for 27.76 per cent of deaths in 2010, 28.17 per cent in 2011 and 27.05 per cent in 2012.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/...n-england/

I need to know the socioeconomic status of the parents before passing judgment. Googling has been unhelpful.

Edit: Found stuff.
Most abortions seem to be given to single women. More than 80%.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy...s_2013.pdf

For 2013. Ctrl-f Marital Status

Post: #15

Redpill, yes an embryo is a person. Everything else is wild clutching at a new dividing line to cover up the obvious one. Phoenix's life started when his cell count clicked from 0 to 1. Nice and easy, sharp line, obvious.

Post: #16

oh ok, you've told me your opinion is fact and everything else is just clutching at straws or reality denial twice now. I guess I was wrong.
A person's life starts at 1 cell, not when they are born, got it, thanks.

Post: #17

There should be no debate on this. The dividing line between a foetus and a person is the number of weeks after conception when the baby is viable if born prematurely. Before that it is just a bunch of cells and not a viable seperate human being!

Post: #18

Yes 1 cell. Birth is just a change in your physical location. It doesn't alter whether or not you are a person.
On viability, we don't apply this to other situations. For instance, if you are on life-support we don't say 'he is not a person at the moment'.

Post: #19

(06-09-2015 06:06 AM)RedPillUK Wrote:  oh ok, you've told me your opinion is fact and everything else is just clutching at straws or reality denial twice now. I guess I was wrong.
A person's life starts at 1 cell, not when they are born, got it, thanks.

(06-08-2015 02:21 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  ^A foetus consists of a body of human cells with a distinct genome undergoing cellular respiration.

Man, did you not see that?

Post: #20

I wish abortion wasn't a thing in the U.K. just to satisfy my own curiosity as to what sort of the hills has eyes outcome comes out of all that close inbreeding that goes in the council "estates." Isles inbreeding is nothing unusual for the U.K. but they always had fairly timely periods of purging when young men from shitholes were sent off to fight and die in droves.

Now that we're in a new prosperous era of human understanding and wealth I kind of want to know what creatures can be formed from the most extreme form of fetal alcohol syndrome, inbreeding, and various other degenerate genes.

Let's see how far down the rabbit hole goes.

Post: #21

(06-08-2015 12:56 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  You'd rather these 185331 hoes too dumb to take birth control pop out some useless kids and get government assistance to 'raise' them?

Let me use an american example: If I were to lock the borders and replace 185331 illegal immigrants on government assistance with 185331 wards of the state the drain on gov't assistance would be equal.

I would rather have african nations bemoaning the flood of 'stupid immigrants riding across the ocean on rafts made of old mcdonalds containers' instead of burying the unborn and then accepting the non aborted of other nations to replace them. It just seems crazy.

If the gates where truly locked and Canada or America was declaring "if we have one more single person born or immigrate into this country the ship will sink and we'll all collapse" then abortion, in an economic sense, might be a rational plan to me

edit: Thats post #3000...I need to post less here.

Post: #22

(06-09-2015 09:31 AM)Guitarman Wrote:  There should be no debate on this. The dividing line between a foetus and a person is the number of weeks after conception when the baby is viable if born prematurely. Before that it is just a bunch of cells and not a viable seperate human being!

What is the answer when medicine is able to save premature babies born within weeks of conception? I doubt many here would claim that isn't a likelihood. Many of these thousands may have been considered fully fledged humans this time in fifty years.

"Under UK law, an abortion [of a 'healthy' infant] can usually only be carried out during the first 24 weeks of pregnancy..." (http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Abortion/Pa...ction.aspx)

"World's most premature baby, born at 21 weeks and five days..." (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/articl...rents.html)

While I've never been privy to an abortion of mine and I am thankful for contraception as a man of atypical pleasures, figures like the above are harrowing and should be presented as Breitbart does.

For your average man statistics like this are terrifying. His nation, his people, his [non-aborted] child's legacy are being thrown to the dogs.

Of course it's 2015. More people will be celebrating than criticizing.

Post: #23

(06-08-2015 01:07 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 12:56 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  You'd rather these 185331 hoes too dumb to take birth control pop out some useless kids and get government assistance to 'raise' them?

Perhaps not, but in an age where many powerful European an Asian nations are experiencing abysmal birthrates, the trend of mass abortions is certainly not helping.

We are a very very extremely overpopulated planet, rationally speaking,

in whole human history of millions of years

there were born about 20 billion humans... from which 10 billion humans only in the last 50 years

Post: #24

(06-09-2015 09:36 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  Yes 1 cell. Birth is just a change in your physical location. It doesn't alter whether or not you are a person.

I sympathise with your point of view (while not necessarily agreeing with it). If you feel that way then these figures must be harrowing.

But what would happen if you impregnated some random girl you were seeing? I'm curious, because this is a forum about meeting and banging chicks, and accidents will happen, right?

Post: #25

(06-08-2015 02:35 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 01:48 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 01:07 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(06-08-2015 12:56 PM)WesternCancer Wrote:  You'd rather these 185331 hoes too dumb to take birth control pop out some useless kids and get government assistance to 'raise' them?

Perhaps not, but in an age where many powerful European an Asian nations are experiencing abysmal birthrates, the trend of mass abortions is certainly not helping.

There are 60 million people in the UK give or take some. We're taking in 100k a year from immigration. We don't need them or their mothers sucking yet more government funds and increasing crime.

I'm speaking more to the overall trend in the West of aborting babies in general because Millennials don't want to be parents.

This is totally going to turn into a pro-life/pro-choice debate isn't it? Brutal.

I present the title of the thread:

Cock Carousel Death Toll Mounts in England and Wales

I actually agree that abortion is a killing of a human, no matter how you bend the words, but in any case, let's not pretend the OP opened up a neutral discussion on the topic here. haha