Post: #76

Find some cool dudes. Hang with them. Learn from them. Over time enough cool will rub off on you. Done

Post: #77

There's enough advice on here already. I got some serious work to be doing. Thanks to everyone that posted.

Post: #78

I am a traveler too. I assume you enunciated your words because you were speaking to people with weak English skills. Is that correct? If by chance you talk like this back in America, don't. You're a good writer but long winded and sophisticated. Keep your conversations simple and fun with girls. Do girls or other people find your travel stories interesting? If not, you are telling them wrong. They should be short, lively, and entertaining. Do you have a blog of your trip? As a fellow traveler, I'd enjoy it.

Get a stylist to redress you. Remember, girls like FUN guys! Dance lessons are a great way to touch and talk to girls and get comfortable around them. Yes talk to many people. How are you at talking to girls?

Like the other posters said. Do not eat where you shit, especially on a college campus. Have you heard of "rape culture" and sexual harassment. Do not get a reputation with the girls in your classes especially if you are in med school or some medical program: a very bad move or your career.

Good luck!

Post: #79

1. Build a good online profile. PM me and I can share some details of how to do this.

2. Text girls after they visit your profile. Most of them will be 5s-6s. Keep the conversation light and simple.

3. Around the 4th interaction set up a meet up.

4. When you meet up, maker her feel comfortable, ask her a lot of questions, get her talking about ex boyfriends and sex. Start with light touch and if she responds well, escalate the touch a little.

5. Walk her to her car. Hug, do not kiss. Touch her hips and look into her eyes as you say goodbye.

6. Go on a second date (not a dinner date unless you are going to eat at your place). Have a plan for how the second date will bring you to your place. When you are at your place, slowly escalate to make out. If the girl is at your place, make out will lead to sex most of the time.

Although it goes against the grain a bit I really think that in the beginning it is better to get some notches with cool girls who are lower quality looks wise. If you start with an 8 there is just way too high a risk of oneitis. 5s, 6s and even concessional 4s make a guy feel more comfortable with himself and his own abilities. Once you start getting laid, hotter chicks will smell it and they don't know that you have been banging 5s. They will be attracted to you just because you give off an outcome independent vibe and you'll have a base of knowing that you can always bang a 5 with relative ease. Not that I prefer them. but 5s and 6s can sometimes be as fun to bang as hotter girls depending on their ability and sexuality.

Post: #80

1. Build a good online profile. PM me and I can share some details of how to do this.

2. Text girls after they visit your profile. Most of them will be 5s-6s. Keep the conversation light and simple.

3. Around the 4th interaction set up a meet up.

4. When you meet up, maker her feel comfortable, ask her a lot of questions, get her talking about ex boyfriends and sex. Start with light touch and if she responds well, escalate the touch a little.

5. Walk her to her car. Hug, do not kiss. Touch her hips and look into her eyes as you say goodbye.

6. Go on a second date (not a dinner date unless you are going to eat at your place). Have a plan for how the second date will bring you to your place. When you are at your place, slowly escalate to make out. If the girl is at your place, make out will lead to sex most of the time.

No matter what you do, in the United States, do not spend more than $20-$30 per date on the girl before you've had sex. I swear to god, it will dry up her pussy.

Although it goes against the grain a bit, I really think that in the beginning it is better to get some notches with cool girls who are lower quality looks wise. If you start with an 8 there is just way too high a risk of oneitis. 5s, 6s and even concessional 4s make a guy feel more comfortable with himself and his own abilities. Once you start getting laid, hotter chicks will smell it and they don't know that you have been banging 5s. They will be attracted to you just because you give off an outcome independent vibe and you'll have a base of knowing that you can always bang a 5 with relative ease. Not that I prefer them. but 5s and 6s can sometimes be as fun to bang as hotter girls depending on their ability and sexuality.

Post: #81

(06-06-2015 09:22 AM)Robert Plant Wrote:  1. Build a good online profile. PM me and I can share some details of how to do this.

2. Text girls after they visit your profile. Most of them will be 5s-6s. Keep the conversation light and simple.

3. Around the 4th interaction set up a meet up.

4. When you meet up, maker her feel comfortable, ask her a lot of questions, get her talking about ex boyfriends and sex. Start with light touch and if she responds well, escalate the touch a little.

5. Walk her to her car. Hug, do not kiss. Touch her hips and look into her eyes as you say goodbye.

6. Go on a second date (not a dinner date unless you are going to eat at your place). Have a plan for how the second date will bring you to your place. When you are at your place, slowly escalate to make out. If the girl is at your place, make out will lead to sex most of the time.

Although it goes against the grain a bit I really think that in the beginning it is better to get some notches with cool girls who are lower quality looks wise. If you start with an 8 there is just way too high a risk of oneitis. 5s, 6s and even concessional 4s make a guy feel more comfortable with himself and his own abilities. Once you start getting laid, hotter chicks will smell it and they don't know that you have been banging 5s. They will be attracted to you just because you give off an outcome independent vibe and you'll have a base of knowing that you can always bang a 5 with relative ease. Not that I prefer them. but 5s and 6s can sometimes be as fun to bang as hotter girls depending on their ability and sexuality.

I gotta disagree with bringing up ex-boyfriends or sex on the first date. In fact in my opinion most of this advice is anti-game and kind of sounds keyboard jockey-ish.

Quote:5. Walk her to her car. Hug, do not kiss. Touch her hips and look into her eyes as you say goodbye.

In my experience and in my city, women are driving less and taking public transportation and Uber more.

50 years ago this might work. Today you basically need to kiss her within 1-2 hours, and possibly move to a different venue to make that happen. If you hug a girl goodbye instead of kiss her on the first date, you might be lucky to be the guy she uses for free dinner, but you won't be the guy sleeps with and dreams about. Getting her to want you to kiss her is a whole other conversation.

More on first date make-outs... the other night I had a date with a girl at a new liquor bar in town and it was going well so I suggested sushi afterwards. She actually surprised me by picking up the bar tab at that spot. The second place was perfect for the make out because there was no one around. Although a bit rusty as of late I've begun honing a new sort of minimalist, "provider in disguise" game that works on the types of high quality girls I'm interested in pursuing. It's all about tailoring your desires and lifestyle to your strategy with women.

Post: #82

Honestly: I can't see you getting laid, I can only see you getting married. I can see you having a nice-enough wife and explaining things to your kids carefully and patiently, like you did to that Chinese reporter. Unfortunately, though, your future wife will be not be ready for another ten years, as she will be busy riding the cocks of more masculine men. I think the problem here is with vibe and inner game; as others have mentioned, too much of a Mormon/youth pastor/elementary school teacher vibe. This can not be solved through exercise and new hobbies, in my opinion. If you rode a bike through Africa without getting laid, despite being a decent-looking white guy who is not afraid to talk to people, you have some really serious issues. I would recommend a solid regimen of drinking and hard drugs, because you are obviously thinking too much and being too logical. Hang out with some unsavory types in a dive bar. Talk shit to people if they offend you. Ride a motorcycle instead of a bike. When talking to a male friend, do not refer to him as "buddy" but rather as "faggot", "asshole," or "bitch." With girls, be playful and don't take them or yourself seriously. Be inappropriate and always, always be closing.

Post: #83

You live in Arizona man, girls are much more sexual there than most cities I've been too. I would tell you to go to Tempe area vs Scottsdale on top of that.

I can't even tell you how many times I meet girls from Arizona that are just looking for a good dick inside them.

Post: #84

OP, how's it going?

Post: #85

SUCCESS

Why did no one ever say it was so easy?

I started trying out different vibes and mindsets in day game and OKCupid, and stayed with the best one. The best vibe I found was:
-fairly high-energy
-sincere
-imaginative/creative
-VERY SLIGHTLY cocky
-most importantly, involved gently teasing the girls about themselves - treating them like they are young teenage girls

Got a ton of phone numbers and Skype names, which led to some make-outs, some bangs, and even a ONS. Had to start a spreadsheet to keep track of where I was with each girl. ALL pick-ups with NO alcohol. Just conversation and touching.

The more girls I fornicate with, the more other girls become interested. It's like they can sense when a guy just got laid, and, although they hardly admit it, they tend to want a guy who has slept with lots of girls.

Used a few game lines from Bang, but over three-hour conversations, they only filled a few minutes total. Not that significant. What really counts is mentality and the words that spew from it: VIBE

After banging a really great girl (8/10 physically, 10/10 for personality that I want) on date #2, she took me out for date #3, paid for dinner, and gave me a gift: new bed sheets. I laughed and told her she could be my girlfriend. She took the offer.

I never, ever used to make physically assertive advances on girls. There were other things I wanted in life. But now I can't believe how much success there is with proper escalation technique, and how easy it is to turn on girls to an almost uncontrollable level. One chick was giving me that 'kiss-me' look with her eyes only an hour after I approached her. It was so strong that, to tease her, I kept talking for another two hours, then pretended to leave. She actually ran up to me and started kissing me right there. Girls are intensely sexual beings, and they can definitely get hornier than guys.

This thread really shifted my mentality and self-perception A LOT, and without it I'd absolutely still be an incel. Kudos to all the guys that posted - especially the brutally blunt posts. It really made a difference.

Post: #86

Good work man. Keep it up.

Post: #87

(06-30-2015 12:28 PM)21K4TG Wrote:  SUCCESS

Why did no one ever say it was so easy?

I started trying out different vibes and mindsets in day game and OKCupid, and stayed with the best one. The best vibe I found was:
-fairly high-energy
-sincere
-imaginative/creative
-VERY SLIGHTLY cocky
-most importantly, involved gently teasing the girls about themselves - treating them like they are young teenage girls

Got a ton of phone numbers and Skype names, which led to some make-outs, some bangs, and even a ONS. Had to start a spreadsheet to keep track of where I was with each girl. ALL pick-ups with NO alcohol. Just conversation and touching.
...
This thread really shifted my mentality and self-perception A LOT, and without it I'd absolutely still be an incel. Kudos to all the guys that posted - especially the brutally blunt posts. It really made a difference.

Whoa - that's some serious change.



Well - it likely came easy for you, because you had success in other areas of your life and just applied that discipline and self-confidence to women. You weaponized your intelligence for seduction and voila - it worked.

Congrats - your change seems only too good to be true, but since your other experiences, education, travel checks out - it is possible. You just had that part in your life missing as society gives us shitty advice and propaganda on how to move forward. Obviously you applied a systematic approach and were successful.

Well done.

Post: #88

(06-30-2015 12:28 PM)21K4TG Wrote:  SUCCESS

Why did no one ever say it was so easy?

I started trying out different vibes and mindsets in day game and OKCupid, and stayed with the best one. The best vibe I found was:
-fairly high-energy
-sincere
-imaginative/creative
-VERY SLIGHTLY cocky
-most importantly, involved gently teasing the girls about themselves - treating them like they are young teenage girls

Got a ton of phone numbers and Skype names, which led to some make-outs, some bangs, and even a ONS. Had to start a spreadsheet to keep track of where I was with each girl. ALL pick-ups with NO alcohol. Just conversation and touching.

The more girls I fornicate with, the more other girls become interested. It's like they can sense when a guy just got laid, and, although they hardly admit it, they tend to want a guy who has slept with lots of girls.

Used a few game lines from Bang, but over three-hour conversations, they only filled a few minutes total. Not that significant. What really counts is mentality and the words that spew from it: VIBE

After banging a really great girl (8/10 physically, 10/10 for personality that I want) on date #2, she took me out for date #3, paid for dinner, and gave me a gift: new bed sheets. I laughed and told her she could be my girlfriend. She took the offer.

I never, ever used to make physically assertive advances on girls. There were other things I wanted in life. But now I can't believe how much success there is with proper escalation technique, and how easy it is to turn on girls to an almost uncontrollable level. One chick was giving me that 'kiss-me' look with her eyes only an hour after I approached her. It was so strong that, to tease her, I kept talking for another two hours, then pretended to leave. She actually ran up to me and started kissing me right there. Girls are intensely sexual beings, and they can definitely get hornier than guys.

This thread really shifted my mentality and self-perception A LOT, and without it I'd absolutely still be an incel. Kudos to all the guys that posted - especially the brutally blunt posts. It really made a difference.

Post: #89

Nice work man! Did you change your style/dress at all or was the change mostly your inner game? I would be curious to see photos of you right now with your new style and mindset. But yes, take it from a formally socially awkward, shy beta, it can be done and fairly easily too!

Post: #90

Great work, could you please expand on the 8 you made your "girlfriend"?

How did you pick her up?

How did the escalation and logistics of the dates go? How far did you escalate on date 1?

Shit tests overcome?

Post: #91

If this is all true, I'm impressed you were able to turn things around so fast. I should take some lessons from this. I can feel myself sliding back into a very discouraged phase at the moment.

Post: #92

(06-06-2015 10:31 AM)Akwesi Wrote:  Honestly: I can't see you getting laid, I can only see you getting married. I can see you having a nice-enough wife and explaining things to your kids carefully and patiently, like you did to that Chinese reporter. Unfortunately, though, your future wife will be not be ready for another ten years, as she will be busy riding the cocks of more masculine men. I think the problem here is with vibe and inner game; as others have mentioned, too much of a Mormon/youth pastor/elementary school teacher vibe. This can not be solved through exercise and new hobbies, in my opinion. If you rode a bike through Africa without getting laid, despite being a decent-looking white guy who is not afraid to talk to people, you have some really serious issues. I would recommend a solid regimen of drinking and hard drugs, because you are obviously thinking too much and being too logical. Hang out with some unsavory types in a dive bar. Talk shit to people if they offend you. Ride a motorcycle instead of a bike. When talking to a male friend, do not refer to him as "buddy" but rather as "faggot", "asshole," or "bitch." With girls, be playful and don't take them or yourself seriously. Be inappropriate and always, always be closing.

This is some of the best life advice I've ever read on here.

Post: #93

Take a bootcamp. Just reading PUA articles has given me confident to talk with various girls and get make out's.

Post: #94

(07-02-2015 06:22 PM)Helium1 Wrote:  Take a bootcamp. Just reading PUA articles has given me confident to talk with various girls and get make out's.

Oh OP is in a much better place right now...

Post: #95

(06-30-2015 12:28 PM)21K4TG Wrote:  SUCCESS

If legit (and we have no reason to doubt it):



This is awesome. I think we'd all love to see an update video with your new swagger if you're ever feeling up for it.

Maybe proceed with caution on the girlfriend front - given your lack of experience, there's a lot of potential for mistakes, so be careful not to get too emotionally invested.

Otherwise, game on.

Post: #96

Good job.

But I’m gonna have to rain on everyone’s parade here, and address the elephant in the room.

OP got some first success in game, bang an “8” and immediately LTR her up. Am I the only one who thinks this is actually not as great as it sounds?

This is the prime reason most men don’t stay in the game too long. They learn a bit of game, got some decent success and immediately wife up the first decent girl they get, thus stagnate their potential way too soon. Usually the girl locks them down for a lengthy time before the LTR inevitably ends, and then they are left with their game blunted. Spoiler: game gets harder every year. Its like you won a battle with a sword, go take a break, then come out and realize everyone has machine gun now.

Don’t get me wrong, I know most men just want a girlfriend me included. And if that’s what OP really wants, fuck yeah pop the champagne. But if he wants to stay in the game long term, especially if he is in USA, being in a LTR at this young age actually do more harm than good. You will have to deal with drama, cheating, having your frame constantly tested, and risk getting burned if you decide to open yourself too soon to the girl.

I’m saying this because you appear to be a good and decent guy. I’ve seen my fair share of good men falling into LTR when they are not really ready and then got burned hard when the girl flips.

Best its if you stay in this LTR but keeps gaming on the side. Whether or not its morally acceptable its for you to decide. Kaotic can chime in on this

Best of luck.

Post: #97

Would be interesting in see the date data sheet. Seems like you've come quite a way in such a short time. I'm sure the lot of use would be interested in a game journal of your own, documenting everything post success.

Post: #98

(07-03-2015 04:40 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Good job.

But I’m gonna have to rain on everyone’s parade here, and address the elephant in the room.

You are correct.

I did have the same reaction, but I guess I just assumed that was all part of the learning curve and that OP will have to go through it at some point on his own. But you're right that once some men get led astray they never make it back, so perhaps it's better to urge caution rather than coddle.

I also swallowed a healthy dose of skepticism when he mentioned that she was an 8. All newbies always say that they've met an 8 or a 9 and it's a huge red flag. We all tend to overrate women we are already sleeping with - that's just human nature - and very few men are sleeping with women of this caliber.

If it was as common as the claims of men you speak with, within this community and without, well, 8s and 9s would be common, and then they wouldn't be 8s and 9s anymore, given that 8s and 9s are by definition somewhat of a prize and well above average (and "average" in America is set at an especially disappointing low).

Newbies are especially susceptible to this rose-colored thinking because their inexperience inflates the women in their eyes.

Hell, looking back at women I banged in high school and early 20s who I saw as drop dead gorgeous, it's laughable what I saw as hot back then. But just like with anything else, the sophistication of your taste evolves over time and you learn what true quality is (assuming you stay in the game long enough to experience the array of options). Even once you realize these things, you will tend to overrate the women you develop emotions for or spend intimate time with.

In any case, still impressed about the way he has tackled the challenge of improvement.

Post: #99

What happened is true.

As some posters articulated, I already had very diverse experiences and education, but didn't know how to integrate them for the goal of picking up girls. That integration took place in the past few weeks through a significant shift in mentality/vibe, most importantly from this very thread.

I tell most girls in the beginning that I am not at all interested in marriage or kids; what is more important to me is enjoying the moment. The girl I made my girlfriend is foreign (Philippines) and her US visa expires in three months, so we both know it's not permanent. Not gonna 'wife her up'.

She told me she was attracted to me because she thought I was honestly a nice guy and not a jerk. Said she dated 12 other guys in the year she's been in the US, each just for one date at movies or bars and they were all too cocky and arrogant for her. I have been told too often I am too nice, but for once it paid off.

Having a girlfriend means 3-4 dates/week with 3-4 hours of conversation each date with 2-3 bangs/week. To a newbie like me, I enjoy this 10x more than walking up to random girls, maybe or maybe not getting a number, maybe or maybe not a kiss, looking forward to a date for two days to maybe or maybe not get stood up, maybe or maybe not getting her back to my apartment, and in general have a small bit of success for a huge chunk of failure. Eventually it will probably be less fun to only talk to and bang one girl, but currently I enjoy it - and isn't that the point?

Post: #100

(07-03-2015 04:40 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  Good job.

But I’m gonna have to rain on everyone’s parade here, and address the elephant in the room.

OP got some first success in game, bang an “8” and immediately LTR her up. Am I the only one who thinks this is actually not as great as it sounds?

Thanks for the input.

Is the girl an 8? I say absolutely, but it's not that important, and I would feel really low if I posted a photo of her on here and started a pointless debate. The important thing in game is getting the women YOU find attractive and meeting YOUR goals.