Post: #51

(05-26-2015 02:03 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 01:39 PM)Saladin Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 12:39 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  Jacking off in public isn’t part of Indian culture. Indian culture is very conservative, the guys who do this are sad losers.

The conservative and repressed culture is why so many Indian guys are so fucked in the head.

True, but I've never seen anyone jacking off in public in India and I've been many times. I remember my Delhi neighbour's daughters telling me that they quit their jobs because they kept on getting molested on the way to work.

Consider that you might walk past 500+ people in a day, and if 1% of men do this kind of thing, a woman might experience it very often, without it reflecting on 'all Indians'.

Post: #52

Here's a term from South Asia - "Eve Teasing"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_teasing

Post: #53

Now that I think more about this .. She had to be in a pretty fucked up area of India with no men accompanying her. Alternatively, she was likely in a secluded area with no men on her side. Another big no no.

In a place like India, if you're a woman you just don't go out by yourself or with another group of women. It's known as common sense. If you're a white woman, I would of course adjust for entitlement on the other end too which makes things worse.

Middle class Indian men are also pretty vocal and aggressive against this kind of shit. So wondering how isolated she really was and also how she ended up there without checking with a local.

If I end up going to the south side of Chicago with my usual blazer, pocket square and smile after work, I can confirm that you can find my body the next day by the Calumet river, smile and pocket square intact. Why do I know that? Common sense within this culture.

Decide to not follow cultural norms in a specific country? Don't expect star treatment. At least this time the jizz didn't impregnate her.

Post: #54

(05-26-2015 07:03 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Now that I think more about this .. She had to be in a pretty fucked up area of India with no men accompanying her. Alternatively, she was likely in a secluded area with no men on her side. Another big no no.

In a place like India, if you're a woman you just don't go out by yourself or with another group of women. It's known as common sense. If you're a white woman, I would of course adjust for entitlement on the other end too which makes things worse.

Middle class Indian men are also pretty vocal and aggressive against this kind of shit. So wondering how isolated she really was and also how she ended up there without checking with a local.

If I end up going to the south side of Chicago with my usual blazer, pocket square and smile after work, I can confirm that you can find my body the next day by the Calumet river, smile and pocket square intact. Why do I know that? Common sense within this culture.

Decide to not follow cultural norms in a specific country? Don't expect star treatment. At least this time the jizz didn't impregnate her.

Dude, you sound like you're defending the pervs behaviour. It's not natural to whip out your dick and jack off to a chick in public. It's indefensible.

This type of shit (and violent rapes) seems to be happening on an epidemic level in India. It's not the time to go on an anti-feminist rant.

Why not just admit that your country is fucked up, and leave it at that?

Post: #55

This happened in Mumbai. Apparently not the first time either.

Her blog: http://lucysmilesaway.com

Post: #56

Blondie has to be crazy to walk through India with a dress that short.

Post: #57

I was thinking we were being a bit harsh on Indian culture so I decided to do a bit of research into their art history.

Art is often a useful way to gain an insight into cultural values.

Here is an example of what I discovered.



Poor horse.

Post: #58

Fact: Newbies with <100 posts trolling this thread comes off suspect and try hard.

Irony: these guys have publicly masturbated on a thread about public masturbation.

Result: you are now placed in the same category as the masturbator which in turn ceremoniously leaves you in the same category as the IRT.

Advice: good luck cleaning off the jizz. We'll be watching.

Post: #59

(05-26-2015 11:13 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Irony: these guys have publicly masturbated on a thread about public masturbation.

The real irony is that this sentence does not make sense.

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Post: #61

(05-26-2015 11:13 PM)Cobra Wrote:  Fact: Newbies with <100 posts trolling this thread comes off suspect and try hard.

Irony: these guys have publicly masturbated on a thread about public masturbation.

Result: you are now placed in the same category as the masturbator which in turn ceremoniously leaves you in the same category as the IRT.

Advice: good luck cleaning off the jizz. We'll be watching.

There was a lot of intellectual masturbation in that post.

But let me try again..

Do you think it's ok for a dude to jack off to a chick in public who has done nothing to lead him on?

Either you're trolling. Or you need a shrink.

Post: #62

(05-26-2015 11:32 PM)The Ligurian Wrote:  Cobra why are you so defensive and arguing like a woman? Anyone who states the obvious and says India has a problem with sexual harassment against women is s race troll in your eyes. Or is it just your way of shutting down the argument? That's typical because the indian government did the same thing recently by banning a BBC documentary on the subject of rape in India.Tooth is the judge and he has not stepped in to warn people so back off on the defensiveness.

Your idealization of the country and its supposed stance against sexual harassment is funny. Lived there numerous years, speak decent Hindi and Merwadi and can say that women suffer from groping, staring, random phone calls, threats, stalking on a daily basis in a way women in the west cannot imagine. Saw it almost everyday to be honest where as here in Europe I can count on one hand the times I've seen genuine harrasment and even that was just verbal. Why do you think women there go out with guardians at times? Ever heard of an adult Brit needing a guardian?!

To be completely honest, the arguments of people like Slim Shady and Cobra sound like bullcrap to me. I'm Indian-American, and while I've never lived in India, the stories I've heard from my family are enough to convince me that India has a real rape culture and genuine issues regarding its treatment of women. India's a place where brides get burned to death in their kitchens because their dowry wasn't big enough. I've clocked a guy on the Mumbai metro for trying to grope one of my cousins. It's a great place to visit for historical and cultural tourism, but it absolutely isn't safe for women. We shouldn't let our distaste for third-wave feminism color our attitudes towards societies where women face genuine harassment and degradation.

Post: #63

^What a refreshing respective...

You see, that's honesty. I'm an American that can freely admit my country is largely a wasteland of pot-bellied femenazis.

Indians guys should be able to own the fact that there's a legit problem in their country regarding how they treat women. Well done, Agastya.

Post: #64

(05-26-2015 08:23 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  Blondie has to be crazy to walk through India with a dress that short.

Traveling without a man is just insane.
I'm a man and I would prefer someone to accompany me.

Post: #65

(05-26-2015 11:49 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

(05-26-2015 11:32 PM)The Ligurian Wrote:  Cobra why are you so defensive and arguing like a woman? Anyone who states the obvious and says India has a problem with sexual harassment against women is s race troll in your eyes. Or is it just your way of shutting down the argument? That's typical because the indian government did the same thing recently by banning a BBC documentary on the subject of rape in India.Tooth is the judge and he has not stepped in to warn people so back off on the defensiveness.

Your idealization of the country and its supposed stance against sexual harassment is funny. Lived there numerous years, speak decent Hindi and Merwadi and can say that women suffer from groping, staring, random phone calls, threats, stalking on a daily basis in a way women in the west cannot imagine. Saw it almost everyday to be honest where as here in Europe I can count on one hand the times I've seen genuine harrasment and even that was just verbal. Why do you think women there go out with guardians at times? Ever heard of an adult Brit needing a guardian?!

To be completely honest, the arguments of people like Slim Shady and Cobra sound like bullcrap to me. I'm Indian-American, and while I've never lived in India, the stories I've heard from my family are enough to convince me that India has a real rape culture and genuine issues regarding its treatment of women. India's a place where brides get burned to death in their kitchens because their dowry wasn't big enough. I've clocked a guy on the Mumbai metro for trying to grope one of my cousins. It's a great place to visit for historical and cultural tourism, but it absolutely isn't safe for women. We shouldn't let our distaste for third-wave feminism color our attitudes towards societies where women face genuine harassment and degradation.

Agreed.

I don't get why Cobra and Slim are so insistent upon defending India. India 100 percent has real issues with sexual harassment. It also is a very repressed country and huge portions of the population hold completely fucked up beliefs about sex and women.

I have no loyalty towards a culture that's so completely fucked in so many regards. Despite all the issues in the West, cities like Toronto and D.C are vastly superior to most Indian cities.

Post: #66

Does anybody know how severe sexual harassment is in China?

I found this. Which seems to suggest that China has its own problems.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-24021573

Quote:Percentage of men admitting rape

Papua New Guinea Bougainville Island - 62%
Indonesia Papua Province - 48.6%
Indonesia urban - 26.2%
China urban/rural - 22.2%
Cambodia - 20.4%
Indonesia rural - 19.5%
Sri Lanka - 14.5%
Bangladesh rural - 14.1%
Bangladesh urban - 9.5%

I found this too.

Quote:Worldwide, one woman in 14 has been sexually assaulted by someone other than a partner, according to the first global estimate of the problem, published on Wednesday.

Its authors said that despite important gaps in data, the overall picture was clear: sex attacks on women are a big and widely overlooked problem.

Reporting in The Lancet, researchers carried out an overview of investigations in 56 countries.

Their data was trawled from scientific journals as well as "grey" literature, meaning reports in publications that may not be peer-reviewed, an acknowledged benchmark of research.

They identified 77 usable studies, providing 412 estimates of violence.

Overall, 7.2 percent of women aged 15 years or older told interviewers they had been sexually attacked at least once in their lives by someone who was not their intimate partner.

"Our findings indicate a pressing health and human rights concern," the investigators said.

The highest rates were in sub-Saharan Africa -- 21 percent in the centre (Democratic Republic of Congo) and 17.4 percent in the south (Namibia, South Africa and Zimbabwe) -- followed by 16.4 percent in Australia and New Zealand.

The lowest reported prevalence was in South Asia (India and Bangladesh) at 3.3 percent and north Africa and the Middle East with 4.5 percent.

Within Europe, three countries in the east (Lithuania, Ukraine, Azerbaijan) had a lower level of sexual assault (6.9 percent) than countries in the centre (10.7 percent) and west of the continent (11.5 percent). The figure for North America was 13 percent.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/study-sho...z3bJs8wIZY

Post: #67

India does not have a rape problem any more than most of the countries in the world.

White women go to India all the time and are not raped. Please read my earlier posts in this thread.

This does not mean that rape does not happen. Ofcourse it does. Norway has a bigger rape problem than India does. There is reality, and then there is what the western media tells you. Don't be fooled.

There is a new movie out called "The Hunting Ground" made by two fat white feminists about American Universities. It's getting a lot of press. If I believed it, then I would think that American Universities were literal hunting grounds for rapists. Obviously they are not.

Why is this so difficult to recognize?

If 1 in 4 girls are raped on American college campuses, well that number is a lot larger than the percentage of rapes in India, which apparently has a rape epidemic. So let's work on fixing the rape epidemic in America first, before we move on to India.

Post: #68

Tell me you're not citing "1 in 5 college students are raped" with a straight face. Hell, for extra dishonesty you made it "1 in 4."
India is the only country I've heard of where white female graduate students are given a packet about tips to survive the constant harassment they can expect while conducting research there, e.g. palm an open safety pin while riding the bus to stab gropers. Because thirsty Indians gonna grope.

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Post: #70

India is not Pakistan.

If you are going to believe what the western media tells you about India, you should also believe what it tells you about the US.

You should believe that 1 in 4 college girls are raped. That stat fluctuates between 1 in 5, and 1 in 4 quite freely. It's THAT bullshit. Feminists cite one or the other based on how they're feeling that day.

That's a lot higher than in India.

I have never said that women are not harassed. I have been on the streets. I have traveled "without ticket" on a 24 hour train journey from Agra to Mumbai. I've been to Chandni Chowk, and I've been to villages.

I am, however, sad that you had a bad experience on your trip to India.

Read my first post in this thread: /thread-47676-...pid1027153

Post: #71

(05-26-2015 11:49 PM)Agastya Wrote:  To be completely honest, the arguments of people like Slim Shady and Cobra sound like bullcrap to me. I'm Indian-American, and while I've never lived in India, the stories I've heard from my family are enough to convince me that India has a real rape culture and genuine issues regarding its treatment of women. India's a place where brides get burned to death in their kitchens because their dowry wasn't big enough. I've clocked a guy on the Mumbai metro for trying to grope one of my cousins. It's a great place to visit for historical and cultural tourism, but it absolutely isn't safe for women. We shouldn't let our distaste for third-wave feminism color our attitudes towards societies where women face genuine harassment and degradation.

Come on man, you could have disagreed politely.

This post has a lot more "likes" than my posts or those of Cobra.

However this post is not based on facts, but on trying to fit facts to a medieval narrative fantasy.

Sounds a lot like how American rape culture enthusiasts operate.

Post: #72

"Why the Focus on 'Rapes in India' by the World Media"

https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/201...rld-media/

Ran into this post over a year ago by a German lady who has spent quite some time in India.

I think that it is spot on and the people arguing on this thread should read it. I could have posted it in any other IRT thread but had lost the link.

There is a concerted effort to demonize India as a rape haven.

The goals are:

- Trivialize the greatness of traditional Vedic/Hindu culture and make Christianity and Islam look like superior religions.

-Neutralize the greatness of Indian minds and Indian successes because they are a threat to western hegemony.

-Soften up the country for Western feminism to take root. Break down the Hindu traditional family unit to open up the country for free sex, single mothers, and gay parents.


It is difficult to quote just a few highlights from this blog post. Each paragraph is a gem, hitting the false narrative out of the park.

Quote: With so much crime happening everywhere, why is India being singled out and shamed with “another gang rape”, when it actually has only a fraction of the crimes other countries have in relative numbers?

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This gang rape received unprecedented publicity. It reached national and local news all over the globe. It reached even a friend in Slovenia, who is usually oblivious of what is happening. Why was it broadcasted all over with such intensity? Was it because Indians protested in a big way and demanded harsh punishment? Those protests should have actually gone in favour of India, as they made clear that Indians consider rape as completely against their culture. But the opposite happened:

Ever since that December 2012, news on India have centered almost exclusively on “another rape” and even on the “rape culture of India”.

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India does have a problem with rape. Other countries also have this problem. Yet the exclusive focus by the world media on “rapes in India’ is not justified and raises suspicion of an agenda behind it. Articles appeared now, often written by Indians with Hindu names, that Indian (read Hindu) culture is to be blamed for the rapes, because it does not consider women as ‘autonomous entities’, which probably means that they can’t do what they want. The Washington Post proclaimed that sexual violence was endemic in India. The Reuters Trust Law group named India one of the worst countries in the world for women. A Harvard committee crafted strategies for ‘adolescent education’ to change the Indian mindset about gender. It was getting a bit much. Don’t westerners look at their own record – past and present – and compare it with that of India? Are they not ashamed?

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Anyone who cares to find out will easily discover that rape is not in the culture of India, and women have a good, even respected position compared to other cultures or countries. This position may not be in tune with the view of feminists, but are feminists the measure of all things? Do those feminists believe that village women in India want to be like them? In my view, those feminists look pitiable in the eyes of those often very strong village women who see Sita as their ideal. The main anguish of those women is poverty, not gender roles.

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To blame Hindu culture is preposterous to say the least. In fact, if Hindu culture would have prevailed and Christianity and Islam had never appeared on the scene, the world would be a better place. Christians and Muslims have traditionally used rape as a tool of war. For them, the ‘other’ was never worthy of any consideration and could be brutally raped and killed never mind if they were civilians. The Geneva Convention’s purpose is to stop this barbaric behaviour. Hindus never needed a Geneva Convention. They also fought wars, but they did not brutalize women or the civilian population.

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The campaign to paint India blacker than it is sadly has worked. It is now a ‘fact’ for most foreigners (and for the convinced Indians) that Indian women have to live terrible lives, more terrible than anywhere else. No disagreeing possible. Everyone will shout you down with plenty of horrific examples. Yes, there are plenty of horrific examples and one needs to find out the reasons and find remedies. But individual criminals do not define a country, even less, if other countries have more of them. So why is India beaten with “another gang rape” again and again? Is the purpose to spoil the image of India? And if so, why?

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The family system is generally still strong especially among the masses who have escaped English education. Celibacy before marriage is still valued and not ridiculed. Romantic love is still seen for what it is – a temporary emotion and not a solid basis for a lifelong companionship. Compromise among family members and even sacrifice are not yet condemned as restricting individual freedom. Sita is still an ideal for most Hindu women. Bhakti, love for God, can still be expressed.

The fact that these values are still strong is not appreciated by western opinion makers. Those values are considered out of sync with the Zeitgeist. They pose a challenge to the western lifestyle which is being pushed into India. ‘Modern, western values’ mean for example (I learned this from an article in Focus, a German magazine) to live in rainbow or patchwork families, Those families will either have gays as ‘parents’ or children from different partners as the parents would have had several live-in relationships earlier

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Hindu society is indeed rigid in certain aspects and has much scope to improve, but its values are still highly preferable to western, modern ‘values’. One just needs to look at western societies to realise that the modern life style is a failed model. It has already regrettable fallout: many youngsters are without direction because of too much freedom. They long for clear rules and turn to fundamentalist, evangelical churches. Hindu Dharma would be the better option. But they are not likely to get to know about it in an unbiased manner.

So whose side are you on?

Post: #73

You know what side I'm on; and have always been there. And I hate IRTs more than my western brothers do.

I'd like to quote this gem from the excellent article you quoted Slim and make some comparisons to this very thread as it perfectly explains the incessant trolling I hinted at earlier but couldn't quite put into words yet.

Quote:The campaign to paint India blacker than it is sadly has worked. It is now a ‘fact’ for most foreigners (and for the convinced Indians) that Indian women have to live terrible lives, more terrible than anywhere else. No disagreeing possible. Everyone will shout you down with plenty of horrific examples. Yes, there are plenty of horrific examples and one needs to find out the reasons and find remedies. But individual criminals do not define a country, even less, if other countries have more of them. So why is India beaten with “another gang rape” again and again? Is the purpose to spoil the image of India? And if so, why?"

When people like Chick Magnet and Broady were so convinced by the empty facts, some Indians like Agastya (and maybe others that 'liked' the posts) jumped on. Indians trolling Indians. Worst kind. While I would deem the hateful western forum members as masturbators within the thread, I would deem the Indian ones premature ejaculators. Trolling your own background and culture comes at a price. And it's a different level when there are guys that were born to "Indian" parents but never been to India. As if that gives you more liberty to troll Indians from the homeland.

The horrible examples noted in the article came from all sides whether it was rapes, groping, dowries; mostly based on what was "heard" or "read."

In conclusion, the haters now reading Slim Shady's post will have a tough time reconciling the traditional more red pill mindset of the Indian culture to the resentment towards it. That would explain some of the delays in posting as they cannot come up with a rational argument.

That's what differentiates trolling from a discussion. Almost all threads with IRT in the title are bound to troll the forum like a spirit that will wander forever. Like in the real world, hate towards something that was fed through propaganda is real hate. Evidence of that is in the forum. Take note of Nazi Germany. While not the same shit, the narrative has stark and sometimes horrifying similarities veiled in vagueness and journalistic trickery.

I appreciate that Slim and I held our frame throughout and maybe this serves as an example to any of my remaining strong South Asian brothers on the forum, Hindu or not.

Post: #74

Ever notice how if a minority does something, then all the people jump out of the wood work and start talking about the (racial) community. We are not a goddamn collective with a hivemind.

Whenever a black guy gets killed by the cops you hear shit like,

"There is a big issue with (X) and (X) in the black community that needs to be addressed!"

Whenever an Indian guy does some stupid, yet harmless shit you hear things like,

"There is a big issue with (X) and (X) in the Indian community that needs to be addressed!"

It's like this with far too many minorities to bother listing more examples. Why are we held accountable for the behavior of our lowest common denominator? Yeah, some there are some fucked up Indians and Blacks but that has nothing to do with many of us. We're not some hive mind. We don't all get togeth and decide to cosign on dumb shit that a couple of guys do.

One Indian weirdo masturbating to some dumb chick is not indicative the mental health of all Indians.

One white man shooting up a theatre doesn't make me say, "OMG! These white people really need to address mental issues within their community! Look what that one white man did there! Look, Look! You can't tell me it didn't happen."

People do weird shit. Get over it and stop casting aspersions about entire groups. There are far too many solid East Asians on this forum for this sort of thing to continue to go down.

Post: #75

(05-27-2015 07:36 PM)Cobra Wrote:  You know what side I'm on; and have always been there. And I hate IRTs more than my western brothers do.

I'd like to quote this gem from the excellent article you quoted Slim and make some comparisons to this very thread as it perfectly explains the incessant trolling I hinted at earlier but couldn't quite put into words yet.

Quote:The campaign to paint India blacker than it is sadly has worked. It is now a ‘fact’ for most foreigners (and for the convinced Indians) that Indian women have to live terrible lives, more terrible than anywhere else. No disagreeing possible. Everyone will shout you down with plenty of horrific examples. Yes, there are plenty of horrific examples and one needs to find out the reasons and find remedies. But individual criminals do not define a country, even less, if other countries have more of them. So why is India beaten with “another gang rape” again and again? Is the purpose to spoil the image of India? And if so, why?"

When people like Chick Magnet and Broady were so convinced by the empty facts, some Indians like Agastya (and maybe others that 'liked' the posts) jumped on. Indians trolling Indians. Worst kind. While I would deem the hateful western forum members as masturbators within the thread, I would deem the Indian ones premature ejaculators. Trolling your own background and culture comes at a price. And it's a different level when there are guys that were born to "Indian" parents but never been to India. As if that gives you more liberty to troll Indians from the homeland.

The horrible examples noted in the article came from all sides whether it was rapes, groping, dowries; mostly based on what was "heard" or "read."

In conclusion, the haters now reading Slim Shady's post will have a tough time reconciling the traditional more red pill mindset of the Indian culture to the resentment towards it. That would explain some of the delays in posting as they cannot come up with a rational argument.

That's what differentiates trolling from a discussion. Almost all threads with IRT in the title are bound to troll the forum like a spirit that will wander forever. Like in the real world, hate towards something that was fed through propaganda is real hate. Evidence of that is in the forum. Take note of Nazi Germany. While not the same shit, the narrative has stark and sometimes horrifying similarities veiled in vagueness and journalistic trickery.

I appreciate that Slim and I held our frame throughout and maybe this serves as an example to any of my remaining strong South Asian brothers on the forum, Hindu or not.

Much ado about nothing.

You still haven't answered my question. Do you think it's OK to jack off to a random chick in public?

You attacked that chick like it was somehow her fault that an IRT violated her.

Stop circle jerking and let's hear your heartfelt perspective on this.