Post: #1

I am still working on my wardrobe and my physique. Losing my pot belly as well. Anyhow, I have been hitting the clubs for months now with my buddies. Hell I didnt know girls found these guys irresistible. Chicks running up on them saying they are cute and what not. I'm standing there entertaing the fat friend. Dudes are getting one night stands left and right, while I go home to a one hand stand.

At worst I play the invisible man and at best I am the designated dragon slayer. Question is how do work your way around a wingman who inadvertedly cockblocks you?

Post: #2

You don't go out at night with him.
Or if you do value him as a friend then don't plan on pulling any nights you go out with him.

Your best option is to go out alone and game. If you want better than fucking fat chicks, its your only option.

Post: #3

If you have closed the gap in your appearance you can either:

A)Fly solo

B) Come with less stylish guys than yourself

That way you are the "star" of your crew

Women do it all the time

Post: #4

(05-19-2015 10:51 AM)kinjutsu Wrote:  You don't go out at night with him.
Or if you do value him as a friend then don't plan on pulling any nights you go out with him.

Your best option is to go out alone and game. If you want better than fucking fat chicks, its your only option.

Go out alone. Your looks differential must not be too high. While Apex fallacy comparisons are often overdone in a way it is comparable to for example a model-looks Player going out with Leo DiCaprio. They will ignore him and just swarm Leo.

Go out alone until you generate a similar reaction. Going out solo is often better anyway during club Game for a variety of reasons.

Post: #5

You should have a gentleman's agreement beforehand. It seems like if you're making a move your friends can just swoop in on your set. Not cool.

Post: #6

I have good looking friends I go out with and they crush me in ROI. It really opens your eyes to the fact that it IS all about looks. However, the situation you describe is extreme and I can't relate to it: them being legit magnets to the girls and you losing yours to them. Anyway, here are some solutions.

- Have an understanding/agreement re: dibs beforehand. Make him know what impact he's having.

- Out-approach him. Is he really able to spam cold approach? Very few good looking guys can. Strong approach skills translate to more opportunities. While you will never match the ease by which he gets the quality he does, strong approach skills net you quantity.

- Approach away from him. You don't move around in the club every now and then and do your own thing? This is normal for me. So your friend's better looking than you... what difference does that make to the girl you're engaged with? It's not like you have a duty to introduce her to your friend. And even if you do, she's invested in you. Are you saying all these girls ditch you at this point for your friend? This is the part I have trouble understanding. In the end a good looking friend is just one guy who can occupy just one good looking girl.

- Increase your looks. Lose bodyfat, get a nice haircut, wear shoelifts, buy a funkybod, change up your wardrobe, get a tan, etc.

- Don't go out alone. Go out alone only as a last resort. Going out truly fucking sucks. Don't underestimate the value of good friends to have fun with and give you support. That's my experience, anyway.

- Understand that going out with guys "uglier" than you will not magically change your objective looks value and the quality of girls that will like you. Whether you came with Gollum or with Aragorn, the girls in a given venue on a given night in a given location who are on your level are on your level regardless. So your good looking friend is not there and there's one less distraction in the background - doesn't change the dozen or so other very good looking guys that are still there and available. In the end it is what it is, just do your own thing and approach with drive, and make it not matter.

Post: #7

I had this problem and I had no choice but to stop hanging out with that wingman. I'm not a bad looking guy but this guy was 6-2 blue eyed handsome dude. And he was a breakdancer. The only thing was he was really bad at game and that's where I was able to swoop the leftovers but it wasn't many.
My suggestion is to wingman with a guy that is equal or slightly less in the looks area as you. Or once you get in shape pick up after that good looking wingman, he serves as some type of peacock when you walk into a club. Then you game from there.

Otherwise you are going to have a rough time.
One of my best wingmen looked similar to me, same height, same ethnicity but awesome with game. If he opened a 2 set usually girls didn't get too choosy and it was both of us getting laid as we had the same style.

Good wingmen are really hard to find.

Post: #8

The first thing I ever tell any wingman (red pill or not) is that whoever approaches the set gets first choice. You need to make this clear from the get-go, pretty much every guy will be cool with it since it's perfectly fair and incentivizes both people to approach.

Post: #9

It's not easy to find a good wingman, where you both get better results on accounting of going out gaming together. You need clear, agreed upon rules. Many will understand, few will follow.

Or, you can change your tactic and utilize the MAC system:

Post: #10

Pride Male what clubs are you hitting?

Post: #11

^^Cheap low end bars that are sausage fests.

Post: #12

I had the same problem. My best friend growing up was a very good looking guy. Girls basically threw themselves at him. I was the cool and funny guy. I got laid too but it was effortless for him. His game was so weak though. He couldn't string 5 words together to tell a joke.

So what do you do? You pull away from the pack and do your own thing. Definitely roll dolo. Go travel. Break your routine. And don't bring girls you like around your friends.

Post: #13

Go out Han Solo
   

Post: #14

I had a friend like that in my early 20s. Could be a room full of 9's and the 7 I was talking to was the one he wanted. He was always wanting me to call over my women friends and stuff like that. He would amog me all the dam time to. Omg your hitting on her... or tell an embarrassing sorry about me. One night after a party at his place I invited over an ex of mine. I told him the next day and he was seriously pissed about it, his comment was at least you could have let me have some too . Going solo and getting out of that crowd was the best thing I ever did. Any beta standing against the wall is a better wing than guys like my old friend.

Post: #15

Unless you can pick up game nuggets from this dude go out alone or with other friends as the other players have indicated. There's really no other way around it unfortunately.

But definitely keep going HARD on your appearance. It's not that hard for a dude (as long as you don't have any super abnormal physical hindrance--even still) to move up in looks. Gym gym gym and style.

Post: #16

This guy isn't your wing if he's cockblocking. Sounds like an opportunistic leech who likes to cut others down. Be done with him.

Post: #17

Pride Male

Maybe switch up your venues? Try some middle/higher end bars? Also, you either need to speak to your wingman, get a new one or roll solo.

Switch things up and have fun with it. I've got a few bars on lock but it took a while

Post: #18

Honestly, I'd say keep hitting the gym, and keep rolling with your more able friends.

It might take ages to get to their level, but if that's the growth you need then take it. Also, there's plenty of other guys out there who are good looking with game, so pulling away from the friends you know isn't going to be a cure-all.

It sounds like you're the entertaining fat friend because you're entertaining and you're fat. Solve the fat problem and it won't be an issue.

Honestly, most good looking guys never have to perfect their game, so be glad you have the chance to get better at game while getting more in shape.

Post: #19

From my experience with good looking wingmen.If you score the babe they will hate it and try to block.Thats if they are not into game.
I know dudes like this ,all is well till you are getting the attention.You are better off Solo.Its tough but its growth ,which will make you stronger.
It's got to the stage now where I almost have to go out by myself.The limiting beliefs of some of my mates get me down.

Post: #20

Annoying thing is I have a couple friends that have girlfriends and are "officially" not going to cheat on their girlfriends, yet they still want to compete for girls attention the odd time that we do go out together. It pisses me off because it's not like they are going to act on doing anything with these chicks, yet when I'm talking to a girl or a group of chicks they still feel the need to but in, dominate the conversation, flirt with the cutest of the group that I'm eyeing, etc.

To me this is almost borderline feminine behavior, women get off on attention from men, and it's like these dudes are stoked on the attention they are getting or think they are getting. I swear the one friend in particular has no concept of what being a "good wingman is", he'll step on my toes, interrupt me, make a sarcastic AMOG comment, compete for the same girl I'm talking to, or he will be absolutely unwilling to help talk to other girls in the set so I can work with the one I want. The worst part about it he has a girlfriend that he supposedly wants to marry, so I hardly ever go out with him, but when I do that is how he acts.

Post: #21

Roll dolo, and gain experience until your game is looks-independant.

No wingman should block you. No matter how good looking he is, no matter how many girls throw themselves at him, him pulling shouldnt prevent you from pulling if he didnt wanted to. There are enough women to go around. He either has no actual game and thus women keep throwing puss at him until one hits it (keeping them entertained and away from you), or he is deliberately hogging them.

Just go by yourself or find another dude to wing you that is more akin to your own level. Or go out with him when you have the intention to have a good time with friends whether you pick someone up or not.

Plus, theres nothing bad in being the dragonslayer. At least that means you are slaying.

Post: #22

Did you end up rolling solo or talked to your wingman and successfully reversed this?

I am seriously considering rolling solo because my buddy is good looking (no homo) and he is not a very good wingman. While I am willing to help him in his sets and did it properly more than once. He would not settle with the ugly chick and I end up cock blocked or ejecting.

Post: #23

I don't agree that you should "have a talk" with him about it.

(05-27-2015 09:59 PM)Fortis Wrote:  This guy isn't your wing if he's cockblocking. Sounds like an opportunistic leech who likes to cut others down. Be done with him.

I don't see how he's cockblocking...can he help it if he's attractive enough that he's constantly getting approached by women? What would you have him do?

The bottom line is that whoever the chick wants to fuck that night, she's going to fuck. Period. That has nothing to do with cockblocking. If on the other hand, the OP was running tight game on a chick and his boy deliberately tries to fuck that up, then I would agree, Fortis. But that does not seem to be the case here.

The whole "dibs" thing is bullshit, too. My philosophy is just to let things play out naturally... run the best game you can, on whichever chick, and adjust accordingly depending on who's reacting to whom. There's been many blown opportunities (in my life, and I'm sure everywhere else) because one guy was trying to get at a girl who wasn't interested when another girl was.

Forget about your ego, it won't help you in game or in life.

That being said, riding solo is a skill you should develop.

Post: #24

(05-19-2015 10:44 AM)Pride male Wrote:  I am still working on my wardrobe and my physique. Losing my pot belly as well. Anyhow, I have been hitting the clubs for months now with my buddies. Hell I didnt know girls found these guys irresistible. Chicks running up on them saying they are cute and what not. I'm standing there entertaing the fat friend. Dudes are getting one night stands left and right, while I go home to a one hand stand.

At worst I play the invisible man and at best I am the designated dragon slayer. Question is how do work your way around a wingman who inadvertedly cockblocks you?

There is a rule, don't have a wing who is more handsome than you. Or just naturally brings about more attention. Unless he is going to downplay himself for you he won't be able to stop getting attention until you step up your own game.

Post: #25

Strong advice who has been cockblocked and kill-stealed by a elvis look-alike wing man:

GTFO there and ride solo or get a more parity wing-dude.

You are in a world of hurt, trust me.