Post: #26

I suspect that cousin marrying is also very common among religious groups that are somewhat cultish. I'm thinking Amish, Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints, and perhaps Mennonites. These are small communities where everybody keeps to themselves, and they don't interact much with the outside world.

Also, factor in the inter-marrying that occurred among European royalty for years and years.

Post: #27

The below theological and historical assertions by Max Heindel, a 19th and 20th century Rosicrucian, seem to point to the fact that the modern edict to marry far outside the family is essentially a cultural substitution that was planned so that globalism could occur. He's arguing for the cultural necessity of such an action, even though it kills the human spiritual connection to his/her ancestors and nature. I'd take with a grain of salt anything that this occultist says about Christ. Their theological assertions are always self serving, and thus not necessarily true:

Quote:http://www.rosicrucian.com/frc/frceng01.htm

From Freemasonry and Catholicism by Max Heindel: Part V

The human Ego is more powerful than the group spirit of the animal, as we can see when we apply the scientific test known as haemolysis. Strange blood of a higher animal will kill, if inoculated into the veins of a lower species; if we take human blood and inject it into an animal, the animal will be unable to endure the high vibration that is in the blood of the human being and it will die. On the other hand a human being may be inoculated with the blood of a lower animal without injury. In ancient times it was strictly forbidden anyone belonging to one tribe to marry into another tribe because it was known then by the leaders of humanity that the strange blood would kill something; it always does. We read that Adam and Methuselah lived so many centuries; at that time it was the custom to marry in the family, marry as closely as possible, so that the tie of blood might be as strong as it could be made. Then the blood that coursed through the veins of the people in that family contained the pictures of all that had happened to the different ancestor; these were stored in the mind which is now subconscious. Then they were consciously and constantly before the inner vision of all people, and each family was united by this common blood wherein the pictures of their ancestors lived. The sons saw the life of their fathers, and thus the fathers lived in the sons; and since the consciousness of Adam and Methuselah and the other Patriarchs lived for centuries in their descendants, they were said to live personally.

It was then as great a crime to marry OUTSIDE the family as it now is to marry within. Even among the early Norsemen, we learn that if anyone wanted to marry within a strange family, he was first obliged to mix blood; it must first be tested to see whether his blood would mix with that of the family into which he desired to marry. And thus haemolysis was known to many in some of its phases at least. If the blood did not mix, it would bring about "CONFUSION OF CASTE," as the Hindu says; a straight line of descent must be kept, for otherwise those pictures in the inner vision would become mixed and would be confused. This marrying in the family or tribe was what engendered the selfishness, the clannishness, and the struggle and strife of the world. To break these up, the practice must be discontinued; thus when Christ came He advocated the discontinuance of the practice when He said: "Before Abraham was, I AM." In effect He said: I do not care for the race father, but I glory in the I Am, the Ego that was long before he was. And He also said: "Who does not leave father and mother cannot follow Me." As long as you are tied to the family, the nation, the tribe, you are siding with the old blood, the old ways, and cannot amalgamate into a universal brotherhood. That can only come when people marry internationally because when there are so many nations the way to unite them is through marriage. Let Abraham, the race and tribe father, die; let the "I AM" LIVE. Christ knew the occult fact that the mixture of blood in international marriage always kills something; if it does not kill the body, it kills something else. If we mate a horse and a donkey, the outcome is a HYBRID, the mule; in that mule something is missing on account of the mixture of strange blood, namely, the faculty of propagation which is lacking in all hybrids. Similarly when we marry internationally something else is destroyed and that is the pictures in the inner vision. The different pictures of different families clash. And so the clairvoyance, the touch with the spiritual world, with the memory of Nature, has waned since the practice of marrying in the tribe was broken up. The Highland Scot who marries in the clan and the gypsies alone retain this second sight in a measure. Thus we see that the blood is now differently constituted from what it was in the earlier ages of human evolution. The body of Jesus was a pioneer vehicle of superlative purity at the time when the Christ Spirit entered it, as a means of ingress to the center of the earth by the identical path which he jumped into the Molten Sea and was conducted along the path of Initiation to the center of the earth where Cain, his ancestor, dwelt.

This journey of Christ is recorded in I Peter 3:18-19 after Christ had been freed from the flesh by the violent death on Golgotha. When anyone is killed, the venous blood with its impurities clings closely to the flesh, and therefore the arterial blood which flows is distinctly cleaner than it would otherwise be; it is more free from passion and desire. And being etherealized by the great Christ Spirit, THE CLEANSED BLOOD OF JESUS OVERFLOWED THE WORLD, PURIFIED THE ETHERIC REGION OF SELFISHNESS TO A GREAT EXTENT, and gave man a better chance to draw to himself materials which will allow him to form altruistic purposes and desires. Thus the age of altruism was there inaugurated. By faith in this blood, and by imitation of the Christ Life the Sons of Seth are therefore provided with a means of purging from themselves the curse of selfishness; while the Sons of Cain were given the emblem of the ROSE AND THE CROSS to teach them to work faithfully to make the Molten Sea, the Philosopher's Stone, and to find the NEW WORD which shall admit them to the kingdom, for they believe more in works than in faith.

*if anyone is interested in further reading regarding the associated occult aspects of this tract and what we are discussing here, such as the threatened goal to eliminate sexual propagation, then read my posts in this thread starting here and continuing over to the next page:

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I'm not arguing that you should go start fucking your cousins, but consider this: this was likely the practice for most of our evolution and we arrived at having marvelous genetic specimens of human kind that are not significantly mixed. We mostly got here through cousin fucking - or close enough to it. There are theoretically some dangers but I would assume that those dangers are overblown; using the Middle East to include Israel and American Haredi neighborhoods as an observational proof. The 50% number is true in the Arab world and they aren't a bunch of cyclops or mental deficients despite their insane religion. The Haredi are largely indistinguishable from one another, physically speaking. That only comes from widespread cousin fucking. They have to worry about Tay Sachs, but the incidence isn't overly high. The small Orthodox Sephardi communities didn't allow converts for 500 years. That's a lot of cousin fucking. I'd venture that you wouldn't want to over do it down the line, but that what Heindel states about their political motivations is largely true and that close tribal intramarriage was stigmatized to facilitate the disintegration of tribalism and thus the rise of gloablism.

Post: #28

I bought a car off Craigslist from some in breeders. He had bunk beds in his house that he said were for "members of his family" and they weren't little kid style bunk beds.

After I did some serious facebook type research, I saw that the woman holding his baby was also his sisters daughter.

These were white folks in Laie Hawaii which is a really off the grid place, and also home to a big Mormon temple and BYUH Hawaii.

It turns out there's a lot of fundamental Mormons hiding out in Laie.

Aloha!

Post: #29

Quote:http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cd...riages.htm

The following summary of marriages prohibited by Jewish religious law details specifically whom one may and may not marry.


Prohibited Marriages

...

A Man May Marry:

1. His step-sister (a step-parent’s daughter from a previous marriage, even though they were raised together as brother and sister from their earliest youth).

2. His stepfather’s wife (divorced or widowed).

3. The daughter-in-law of his brother or his sister (divorced or widowed).

4. His niece. In American and English civil law, a man may not marry a niece who is the daughter of his brother or sister, but may marry a niece who is the daughter of his wife’s brother or sister. The halakhic permission—even encouragement—to marry the daughter of a brother or sister is superseded by the civil law’s prohibition in this case.

5. His cousin.

6. His stepson’s wife (divorced or widowed).

7. His deceased wife’s sister, but not his divorced wife’s sister (unless she is deceased already).

8. A woman with whom he had relations in their unmarried state.

9. A kohen may marry a widow (who was never divorced).

...

A Woman May Marry:

1. Her step-brother (a step-parent’s son from a previous marriage, even though they were raised together as brother and sister from their earliest youth).

2. Her step-mother’s former husband (divorced or widowed).

3. The son-in-law of her brother or sister.

4. Her cousin.

5. Her sister’s husband (after her sister’s death, not divorce, unless she is deceased already).

6. Her uncle. In Jewish incest law, an aunt-nephew marriage is prohibited, but an uncle-niece marriage is permitted even though the state prohibits it. A man may marry his deceased wife’s sister, but a woman may not marry her deceased husband’s brother. Even a childless widow, whom the Bible commanded to marry her husband’s brother, must today receive chalitzah, enforced separation.

7. A man with whom she had relations in their unmarried state.

8. A kohen’s daughter does not have the restrictions of a male kohen

Post: #30

Being an Australian from a family with First Fleeter heritage, I have had to back out on a potential bang more than once while on the prowl in Ol Sydney Town.

I come from a long line of horndogs.

Post: #31

Inbreeding is not quite the same as incest (parent and their offspring, sibling relationships). But do it often enough especially at the 1st and 2nd cousin level. It becomes equivalent to incest.


Either way it is bad news and is beneficial only in promoting clannishness.

For more on the impacts of inbreeding and outbreeding:

https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/

Found this in the Dark Enlightenment sphere.

Post: #32

(05-16-2015 07:40 PM)Sonsowey Wrote:  They say that the risk from marrying a cousin doubles a child's risk of congenital defects, which is about the same effects as waiting until you're 40 to have kids.

This is the only thing that needs to be said. Cousin marriage is outrageous and destructive, but it's only a convenient scapegoat to distract us from the just as bad but 1000x more widespread late marriage.

Post: #33

(03-21-2016 03:18 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Inbreeding is not quite the same as incest (parent and their offspring, sibling relationships). But do it often enough especially at the 1st and 2nd cousin level. It becomes equivalent to incest.

This is correct; I'm not suggesting we go back to having cousin marriages on the regular, but speaking in purely genetics there is a huge difference between siblings and cousins. Siblings share 50% of their DNA, first cousins it's down to 12.5%, and 2nd cousins only share 3.1%.

Post: #34

Now let's look at small island[ish] countries
Koreans
Japanese
Philippinos
Guamanians
Etc

Imagine to what level they may have inbred.

Post: #35

There is nothing much wrong with cousin marriages. They are happening all over the world and people are fine. The science is out on whether there is any significant risk of incurring genetic disorders . The social consequences of these marriages is debatable and whether these marriages have played a negative or positive role for different societies's progress is also debatable.

These marriages have taken place a lot in human history and have been happening since early men days. Therefore its important to understand that they have produced the fittest survivors who have gone on to produce trees of human race. Today there are many high performing athletes and scientists from Africa and Asia who are the product of these marriages.


Do not know the exact number of Americans who are actually married to their first cousins but information related to it has already been put in an earlier post in this thread.

The government should let it be people's choice.

Post: #36

OP, personal experience?

Post: #37

(03-21-2016 12:57 PM)bk19xsa Wrote:  There is nothing much wrong with cousin marriages. They are happening all over the world and people are fine. The science is out on whether there is any significant risk of incurring genetic disorders . The social consequences of these marriages is debatable and whether these marriages have played a negative or positive role for different societies's progress is also debatable.

These marriages have taken place a lot in human history and have been happening since early men days. Therefore its important to understand that they have produced the fittest survivors who have gone on to produce trees of human race. Today there are many high performing athletes and scientists from Africa and Asia who are the product of these marriages.


Do not know the exact number of Americans who are actually married to their first cousins but information related to it has already been put in an earlier post in this thread.

The government should let it be people's choice.

Alright. Go fuck yourself cousin. Then you can drop a few datasheets:

'how to bang your cousin"

"How to pull a snl from a family reunion"

"My wife is being a bitch, how should I tell her dad(my uncle)"

Post: #38

No.... Cousin marriages as a one off are not so bad. Cousin marriages generation after generation significantly increase many cancer risk factors. Newfoundland Canada and the Middle East are prime examples for this.