Post: #51

They could always put two portraits on the banknotes or just eliminate all portraits and decorate them with landscapes and shit.

Oh yes, I'm so privileged you literally can't even.
Interested in joining the FFL? I tried (and failed).

Post: #52

Called it in June when they first announced the $10 change. If they want Jackson off and a woman on, they will damn well get Jackson (and none other but Jackson) off and a woman on. But that doesn't appear to be all.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/16/news/eco...n-10-bill/

Quote:Treasury Secretary Jack Lew is expected to announce this week that Alexander Hamilton's face will remain on the front of the $10 bill and a woman will replace Andrew Jackson on the face of the $20 bill, a senior government source told CNN on Saturday.

Lew announced last summer that he was considering redesigning the $10 bill to include the portrait of a woman. The decision to make the historic change at the expense of Hamilton drew angry rebukes from fans of the former Treasury Secretary. The pro-Hamilton movement gained steam after the smash success of the hip-hop Broadway musical about his life this year.

Those pressures led Lew to determine that Hamilton should remain on the front of the bill. Instead, a mural-style depiction of the women's suffrage movement -- including images of leaders such as Susan B. Anthony -- will be featured on the back of the bill.

So Hamilton gets to remain on the front of the bill, in large part thanks to a play that would be called "cultural appropriation" by this same crowd if it was done in the opposite context, and there's still the required homage to feminism on the back. But there's more:

Quote:A Treasury spokesman declined to comment on the pending changes. But Lew hinted that a decision could come this week.

"When we started this conversation not quite a year ago, it wasn't clear to me that millions of Americans were going to weigh in with their ideas," he told CNBC. "We're not just talking about one bill. We're talking about the $5, the $10, and the $20. We're not just talking about one picture on one bill. We're talking about using the front and the back of the bill to tell an exciting set of stories."

Along those lines, Lew also plans to announce this week that Andrew Jackson -- a less beloved former president whose face graces the front of the $20 bill -- will be removed in favor of a female representing the struggle for racial equality, according to the government source.

Token woman? Check. Token minority? Check.

Quote:That decision would place a female on one of the most widely circulated bills in the world. But the historic change placing a female on the front of the $20 note won't come for more than a decade, the source said, since the process for changing the design of that note is still in the early stages.

"The soonest that a new $20 note will be issued is 2030," the source said, citing a lengthy process convened by the Advanced Counterfeit Deterrence steering committee, which includes representatives from the U.S. Secret Service, the Treasury, and the Federal Reserve.

This is the uncertainty factor, as a future president (Trump), could reverse the decision, but if not Trump, I doubt anyone else will have the balls to do it.

Quote:That process isn't likely to be sped up by the Federal Reserve, which issues the currency, given the work that goes into designing secure technology to thwart counterfeiters.

"The blue security ribbon on the $100 note took over 15 years to develop," the source said. "This level of technology is why our counterfeiting remains at less than .01% of currency in circulation. We should not expedite the issuance of any currency for political purposes."

Money trumps (no pun intended) political correctness. Small ray of hope that when this shit stops being profitable, the pendulum will swing back faster.

Quote:Future Treasury Secretaries -- of which there will be several -- could reverse or alter the decision regarding the $20, making Lew's announcement far less of a clear-cut victory for the movement pushing to place a woman on American currency.

[quote]The $5 bill will retain Abraham Lincoln on the front, with plans to change the back to include a mural of prominent activities that have taken place at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington.

We know what this will likely be, and I don't have a problem with that, were it not for the blatant pandering to politically correct fashions.

Quote:The idea of including women in a mural on the back of a bill has been called into question.

"It will take a microscope to see who those individuals are, and we'll be left with another decade or more of woefully inadequate representation of women and their worth," wrote the group Women on 20s in an open letter to Lew, published by Time.

"Nobody looks at the back of the bill, and that's not likely to change," the group wrote. "A vignette without a woman's portrait on the front of the bill (even if she must share with Hamilton) will be seen as a token gesture and an affront to Americans of all ages who are expecting you to reveal your choice of a singular woman based on their input. As a friend of ours put it, relegating women to the back of the bill is akin to sending them to the back of the bus. The Rosa Parks analogies are inevitable."

How dare they? We can't be tasked to turn over the back and take a look. Too much work. You're a closet racist if you don't agree.

There is no escaping the social justice borg.

Post: #53

Scratch the thing about money taking precedence.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articl...oses-delay

Right on cue.

Quote:When a 9-year-old girl named Sofia wrote to President Barack Obama in 2014 to ask him why U.S. money didn’t feature women’s faces, her innocent question and penciled list of worthy candidates helped galvanize the administration’s commitment to making it happen as soon as possible.

Now, Sofia, who turns 11 this week, is adding her voice to an outcry from women’s groups about an apparent change of heart by Treasury Secretary Jacob J. Lew that may delay for years the placement of a woman’s image on the front of U.S. bills.

The Massachusetts girl and her mother are still weighing how best to make their case -- whether in private or through a more public effort to sway Lew before it’s too late. “It would be a huge step backward after all this,” said the mother, Kim B., who requested their last name be withheld to protect her daughter’s privacy.

Sofia said the most important thing to her is to get a woman on the front of U.S. currency expeditiously. She said in an interview that the two years she’s waited so far already seems like a long time.
‘Kind of Promised’

“I feel like they kind of promised us it would be on the front in 2020,” Sofia said in an interview. “I want a woman to be on the front of the $20. I think that would great. Except I think that would take way too much time.”

Sofia wrote the letter as a third grader after a classroom assignment where students researched famous people and gave visual presentations on them. She said she noticed many of the students who researched men used pictures of money featuring those men for their presentations, but that none of the women subjects had images of them on money. The project was the light-bulb moment for her to go home and try to do something about the disparity.

The dozen women that Sofia suggested in her hand-written note ranged from Betsy Ross, credited with making the first American flag, to poet Emily Dickinson, to civil rights pioneer Rosa Parks. In a 2015 McClatchy-Marist poll, former first lady Eleanor Roosevelt was chosen over abolitionist Harriet Tubman and Native American guide Sacagawea. Others suggested included pilot Amelia Earhart and Sandra Day O’Connor, the first female Supreme Court justice.

After Sofia’s letter to the president, and a national campaign to put a historically significant woman on the $20 to replace former President Andrew Jackson, the Treasury last June instead announced it would put a woman on the face of a new $10 bill, possibly as one of two images or in rotation with Alexander Hamilton, who founded the U.S. financial system and whose portrait now decorates the bill.

The reason was timing: The $10s were the first bills in line to be updated, while it could be several years and perhaps as long as a decade before the new $20s would be ready under a schedule set by the government, it was explained at the time. The new $10s were to be unveiled in 2020 and put in circulation soon after.

In the intervening months, however, the hit Broadway musical “Hamilton” has fueled a counter-campaign, whose proponents include the show’s creator and star Lin-Manuel Miranda, to keep Hamilton as the sole face on the front of the $10.

Lew has for several weeks hinted, without saying explicitly, that the U.S. could keep Hamilton as the only face of the $10, while weaving pictures of women into the backs of $10s and $5s and eventually putting out $20s that carry a woman’s face. This scenario would allow Lew to say the U.S. is giving women more exposure by putting women on three denominations rather than one.

The Treasury had no immediate comment on its latest deliberations.

Kim B. said she and her daughter don’t see it that way. Neither does “Women on 20s,” the group that led that initial nationwide campaign. These women say if rescinding plans for the $10 delays the debut of a woman on the front of any U.S. paper currency, it would send the wrong message to girls and women. Women on 20s has been supportive of a woman sharing the face of the $10 with Hamilton, but the group also wants new $20s with a woman replacing Jackson to be produced simultaneously with the new $10s. Sofia’s mother said she wants to avoid delays to having a woman on the face of a bill.

A separate group, the Girls’ Lounge, started a White House petition on April 13 to compel Treasury to keep its commitment to put a woman on the front of the $10 and created a Twitter hashtag - #NotGoingBack - to raise attention. Sofia and her mom signed the petition, said Kim B.

“I do believe that it’s the desire of the American people to see a woman on the portrait side of a bill,” Kim B. said. “That is an awesome thing. But it’s not an awesome thing when Sofia is 25 years old” before it happens. “We’re missing an entire generation where we send a positive message of ‘we value girls in this country.’”

Sofia thought she had been part of a successful campaign, and that the announcement meant the decision was final. Her mother said that a few weeks ago, she sat her daughter down and explained what was happening; since then, the pair have bonded over watching and reading Lew’s statements on the subject and the news coverage.

Susan Ades Stone, executive director of Women on 20s, said what she fears is that Lew would send an unintended message if he reneges on plans to put a woman on the $10. It would show girls, she said, that, “Men make these choices. Men push women aside when push comes to shove. Men still tell us who we should be honoring and how.”

Who'd have fucking guessed? You gave them an inch and they took ten miles.

When are our cucked leaders and white knights the world over that this is all a shit test? You can't win except by saying "no" and maintaining frame.

Post: #54

Of course they'd go after Andrew Jackson, one of the most badass men in history.

Post: #55

Just make a $7 dollar bill, stick a woman's smirk on it, and call it a day.
Nobody will care if it's counterfeit cause they all know it's worthless.

edit; I guess it would be the $14 dollar bill actually.

Post: #56

Replacing Hamilton is an insult to the history of the U.S. financial system. The man had more of an impact than any female in the history of this country.

Post: #57

Who the hell cares?

Money with women on it has not traditionally done well in the US. The Susan B. Anthony dollar was a colossal and expensive failure.

There's also the fact that it's incredibly expensive to change currency. It's far more likely that the idea will be quietly tabled, and nobody will remember this in five years.

Post: #58

They're welcome to start using UK cash if they want. We've had a woman on it for years.

If they go ahead with this, you could troll by only using those banknotes when buying porn, mens toiletries and craft beer.

Post: #59

In United States history there isn't any women that have contributed 1/1000 what the men on these bills have contributed. So let's hold off put anyone, man or woman, on the currency until they actually contribute something meaningful. And by the way feminist, whining is not contributing nor meaningful.

Post: #60

Woa perhaps we're being a bit too hasty here gentlemen..

There is one woman in the U.S. who has really brought joy to millions of American households and is an easily identifiable figure of our life and times.

I'll take this fine lady over all the other women suggested.

Post: #61

In the interest of equality for women, I suggest we start minting a 78 cent coin.

Post: #62

(04-18-2016 01:04 AM)Praetor Lupus Wrote:  If they go ahead with this, you could troll by only using those banknotes when buying porn, mens toiletries and craft beer.

Travesty would like to have a word with you.

Post: #63

Just another example of the accomplishments of white men getting whitewashed to appease politically correct bullshit.

When I talk to some SJW libtard people I know, they honestly can't look at a history book of the first 150-200 years of American history and acknowledge that the vast majority of accomplishments and basis for modern western civilization was due to white men. The evidence is right in their face, clear as day but all they can seem to give a shit about is that "George Washington HAD SLAVES AND I'M SO TRIGGERED I COULD SHIT OUT BERNIE SANDERS BUMPER STICKERS!!"

I promise you, policies like this is gonna lead to a legit White Pride movement in the near future. Trump borderline already represents it.

Post: #64

Andrew Jackson, the man who killed the second bank of the US, the last president to pay off the national debt, and who uncoincidentally faced an assassination attempt? And all these years the third bank of the US - I mean FED, sorry - has been plastering his face on one of the most common bills in use?

I'm surprised the bastards didn't take him off sooner.

Post: #65

I'm fine with a woman on the ten dollar bill. Jayne Mansfield in a pin-up pose, spilling out of her top.

I heard some idiot (male) seriously talk about having Oprah on money. Oprah, on US currency. Soon we're going to have Malcolm X on the quarter.

Post: #66

Which is worst: Obama or Oprah on it?

Post: #67

There was an old expression, "He's queer as a three-dollar bill."

If Milo is reading, it would be funny as hell if he satirized this whole thing by getting a petition together to lobby the White House to actually create a three-dollar bill and put a gay man on it. The best way to deal with things like this is to turn it into a circus.

And by the way, I've noticed there's no trans people on any dollar bills. If you're gonna have men, women, and gays it's only fair. As Libertas said, you give them an inch and they take ten miles. Once you take the step in appeasing these people with women, this is where it will lead.

All that said, perhaps little Sofia needed to be told that the reason there are no women on bills is because virtually everything she sees in life was built by a man and Arlington National Cemetery is filled with corpses of men who died for their country. We're letting these little girls live in fantasyland by making them think women played a more important role in the country (or Western Civilization, for that matter) than they actually did.

Figures all this would start in the school system.

Post: #68

Way back in the day they had a minting with classical works of art on them.
Those had women on them.
I would gladly accept another minting in that train of thought.
Educational money, and not educational in the sense of what is going on in colleges right now.

Post: #69

(04-18-2016 05:18 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  Which is worst: Obama or Oprah on it?

Post: #70

I never understood the obsession with Rosa Parks (who may very well grace the $20). All she did was sit down. In a country where obesity and heart disease are epidemic, should we really be encouraging people to sit more?

-"Peggy Sue! You've been sitting on your ass all day!"
-"But, I'm just trying to be like my hero Rosa Parks."

Post: #71

It's not women being on money that is concerning, but the fact that they are memorializing political acts and perspectives on money no matter how much these perspectives are taken for granted as 'common sense' and beyond politics now. It's almost axiomatic in serious Right-Wing circles that women's suffrage was and is a liberal weapon used to create an unnatural fracture in society and to thus keep liberal governments in power; which we continue to see them leverage to great effect today in their "war on women" rhetoric.

In short, if we had a Queen or a long-dead woman president then I'd be all for it (well, depending). But to memorialize a political act on money is crossing an important line in my opinion.

Post: #72

I hope they push this as far forward as possible. Just one more motivation to get people up and out to vote for Trump.

Post: #73

If they do start printing these $20 bills, I would like to offer my services to the entire RVF community where you can send them to me and I will make sure to properly dispose of them.

Post: #74

(04-17-2016 06:45 PM)Libertas Wrote:  Called it in June when they first announced the $10 change. If they want Jackson off and a woman on, they will damn well get Jackson (and none other but Jackson) off and a woman on. But that doesn't appear to be all.

Here's a question: why should I or the American people care about this?

How does this address systemic inequality between men and women?

The answer is that it doesn't. It's just a made up issue that ends up distracting people from larger issues that trouble American society today.

Think about this, the left promotes and defends:
-Black Lives Matters who are aggressively defending criminal behavior rather than addressing police reform.
-Transgenders who are pushing to make it legal for men to use women's restrooms (and vice versa) rather working on finding mental health solutions.
-Putting women on a fucking dollar bill rather than addressing whatever inherent differences may exist between men and women and finding a way to achieve a more equitable society under those constraints.

Could there be a more distracting and more useless group than the left?

The group as a whole offers zero solutions to made up problems that don't affect anyone while simultaneously ignoring issues that have a direct effect on the lives of American people.

It is incredible how a group that offers such little value can continue to survive.

Post: #75

(04-18-2016 05:18 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  There was an old expression, "He's queer as a three-dollar bill."

If Milo is reading, it would be funny as hell if he satirized this whole thing by getting a petition together to lobby the White House to actually create a three-dollar bill and put a gay man on it. The best way to deal with things like this is to turn it into a circus.

And by the way, I've noticed there's no trans people on any dollar bills. If you're gonna have men, women, and gays it's only fair. As Libertas said, you give them an inch and they take ten miles. Once you take the step in appeasing these people with women, this is where it will lead.

All that said, perhaps little Sofia needed to be told that the reason there are no women on bills is because virtually everything she sees in life was built by a man and Arlington National Cemetery is filled with corpses of men who died for their country. We're letting these little girls live in fantasyland by making them think women played a more important role in the country (or Western Civilization, for that matter) than they actually did.

Figures all this would start in the school system.

How can we start one of those White House petitions to get Bruce Jenner on the bill