Post: #26

I don't drink so my game has always been on sober girls ... I have a really big park near me, kind of like central park in the USA and I use this for dates. If they flake I still walk around. If they don't, they get pumped but hot and thirsty from walking and talking and you've easily reached an hour or hour and a half of togetherness before laying down bait to "get a drink and see my apartment". If the girl is comfy she comes back and if they are dtf you can easily convert. If you fail first time you at least make out and then next time you convert really easily. The walk in the park also turns off the death star ASD shields as they are not expecting escalation. One last thing. Sober girls will actually bond with you if you hit it right, so you get way more repeat business than on a girl from a club....

Post: #27

(05-09-2015 06:41 PM)monster Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 03:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @monster, it's all about delivery

And how exactly do you deliver "let's go get ice cream" in a cool way? Seems like an oxymoron.

"we gonna do some new shit tonight. You have a hat? Bring it"
*rolls up to gelato spot*

I don't ask a girl anything.
I leave things out so she has ask me questions.
I give her uncertainty.
I give her pleasure
I give her novelty
She likes what i have to say, but she can't predict it.
She likes the way I touch her.

She's never met a dude like me, and will never meet another dude like me.

I've fucked enough girls at this point, that I don't need to conform myself to their notions of how the script should play out. I don't jump through her hoops anymore.

I can take a girl to a boring ass silent movie date like a regular dude would, and put my ankle behind her calf. 2 hours of non-verbal communication, inching forward, keeping silences, glances, shrugs, touches and pushes, and whatever we saw she can't remember, but she can't forget what happened.

We can go to fancy dinner and i"ll talk to the people waiting in line and bring her into the conversation, put her on the spot, make her feel like a star.

We can go to Burger King and try to get busy in the bathroom, if she's hip enough to know that song.

What the "date" is, what the "activity I have planned for her" is immaterial in most cases.

I have game.

I see way beyond a lot of the scenarios that you guys come up with.

That stupid red pill and blue pill analogy that guys used to describe pick up, seduction, "the game" is about seeing the world for what it is.

But they focus on the 1st part of the movie, where Keanu/Neo gets pulled out of his normal life and sees himself as a human battery for alien overlords. He was never free to operate in that headspace that he lived in, the blue pill.

The proponents of the game never talk about the end of the movie.

When you understand this "matrix" that these chicks live in, you can see in "bullet time".

You know what a chick expects, she's going by the stupid pre-planned script that's been laid out for her.

Go to school
Stay pretty.
Meet a guy, fuck a guy that gets her vagina moist. Have her fun.
Years later, settle down with a good guy
Pump out some kids
Hopefully make it to the grave w/o serious complications.

When she's on the date, she expects to be picked up. She is waiting for a moment of chivalry. She expects the typical stupid conversation. It might even be lively, but it's not so out of pocket for her typical experiences.

So a square dude, a guy that isn't really in the game for real, he's just better dressed, more muscles, more socially active - he'll bomb with taking a chick for some ice cream. He'll get nowhere when he goes to the movies. He'll think the pussy in in the bag when he spends 200 dollars at the hippest restaurant in town, and wind up watching pornhub later that night.

The would be player thinks that he's being real slick when he picks the eatery 10 minutes walking from his place.

He's got this live chick in front of him, and the only thing he can think of is to get her into bed the fastest way possible.

People's conception of dating, of game, of the red pill, of the society we live in - is super narrow. They have very little imagination.

Most prefer to look at situations and think "that's not gonna work", as opposed to thinking, "how do I make this work for me?"

The only time I read about cats trying to get creative is when things are pretty much over.

My girl is leaving me, or left me.
How do I restart this cold text.

When they're in the thick of things, they're just going along with their own script. Never ever really thinking about the thing that they're doing. And chicks just follow who ever pulls the leash the hardest.

TL DR?

It's all in the delivery.

WIA

Post: #28

(05-09-2015 07:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 06:41 PM)monster Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 03:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @monster, it's all about delivery

And how exactly do you deliver "let's go get ice cream" in a cool way? Seems like an oxymoron.

"we gonna do some new shit tonight. You have a hat? Bring it"
*rolls up to gelato spot*

I don't ask a girl anything.
I leave things out so she has ask me questions.
I give her uncertainty.
I give her pleasure
I give her novelty
She likes what i have to say, but she can't predict it.
She likes the way I touch her.

She's never met a dude like me, and will never meet another dude like me.

I've fucked enough girls at this point, that I don't need to conform myself to their notions of how the script should play out. I don't jump through her hoops anymore.

I can take a girl to a boring ass silent movie date like a regular dude would, and put my ankle behind her calf. 2 hours of non-verbal communication, inching forward, keeping silences, glances, shrugs, touches and pushes, and whatever we saw she can't remember, but she can't forget what happened.

We can go to fancy dinner and i"ll talk to the people waiting in line and bring her into the conversation, put her on the spot, make her feel like a star.

We can go to Burger King and try to get busy in the bathroom, if she's hip enough to know that song.

What the "date" is, what the "activity I have planned for her" is immaterial in most cases.

I have game.

I see way beyond a lot of the scenarios that you guys come up with.

That stupid red pill and blue pill analogy that guys used to describe pick up, seduction, "the game" is about seeing the world for what it is.

But they focus on the 1st part of the movie, where Keanu/Neo gets pulled out of his normal life and sees himself as a human battery for alien overlords. He was never free to operate in that headspace that he lived in, the blue pill.

The proponents of the game never talk about the end of the movie.

When you understand this "matrix" that these chicks live in, you can see in "bullet time".

You know what a chick expects, she's going by the stupid pre-planned script that's been laid out for her.

Go to school
Stay pretty.
Meet a guy, fuck a guy that gets her vagina moist. Have her fun.
Years later, settle down with a good guy
Pump out some kids
Hopefully make it to the grave w/o serious complications.

When she's on the date, she expects to be picked up. She is waiting for a moment of chivalry. She expects the typical stupid conversation. It might even be lively, but it's not so out of pocket for her typical experiences.

So a square dude, a guy that isn't really in the game for real, he's just better dressed, more muscles, more socially active - he'll bomb with taking a chick for some ice cream. He'll get nowhere when he goes to the movies. He'll think the pussy in in the bag when he spends 200 dollars at the hippest restaurant in town, and wind up watching pornhub later that night.

The would be player thinks that he's being real slick when he picks the eatery 10 minutes walking from his place.

He's got this live chick in front of him, and the only thing he can think of is to get her into bed the fastest way possible.

People's conception of dating, of game, of the red pill, of the society we live in - is super narrow. They have very little imagination.

Most prefer to look at situations and think "that's not gonna work", as opposed to thinking, "how do I make this work for me?"

The only time I read about cats trying to get creative is when things are pretty much over.

My girl is leaving me, or left me.
How do I restart this cold text.

When they're in the thick of things, they're just going along with their own script. Never ever really thinking about the thing that they're doing. And chicks just follow who ever pulls the leash the hardest.

TL DR?

It's all in the delivery.

WIA

That was beautiful (but most of all enlightening in an already subconscious way for me). I felt like that:

Post: #29

(05-09-2015 06:41 PM)monster Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 03:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @monster, it's all about delivery

And how exactly do you deliver "let's go get ice cream" in a cool way? Seems like an oxymoron.

I'm not talking from an ice cream van, or a place that only sells ice cream.

These are essentially coffee dates, at dessert specialist cafe's.

Never heard of chick's being obsessed by chocolate and other sweet things? They love that shit (and so do I incidentally).

It's a fun, innocent, and playful environment.

She's going to want to share hers with you...which will make her more conducive to share herself with you later on.

Team iScream.

Post: #30

(05-09-2015 07:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 06:41 PM)monster Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 03:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @monster, it's all about delivery

And how exactly do you deliver "let's go get ice cream" in a cool way? Seems like an oxymoron.

TL DR?

It's all in the delivery.

WIA

Truer words are rarely spoken.

Desserts are delicious. Desserts are often decadent (and which girl doesn't like decadent?). Classy drink and a fancy dessert? Shit, that's easily pussy moistening material.

Some of you guys act like women actually know what they want, as if you can check logical tick-boxes and that will make it all happen.

You've gotta paint a picture, weave a story, and LEAD them into your world.

Do you know how many women I've told, "you know, the things that were the most fun as a kid are really the things that are the most fun as an adult?" and with the right examples, they're laughing and giggling and going right along with you?

There are only so many things you can do on a date. If you can't make one of the common things interesting, you need to look internally. A very special/more intriguing date is not going to fix your situation all that much.

Post: #31

Why is it when WIA sounds off, he just RIP's the thread.

You know I beginning to realize that, and about yanking the leash the hardest.

Last night I took a plate out for drinks, then quickly changed over to this rad piano place and she loved it, honestly I acted like a fucking dork and did-not-give-a-fuck.

I was just HAVING good time.

We ended up at a diner later that night, I ended up fucking her in the girls bathroom (she's never done that), didn't finish, while we're eating at the table, she said fuck the food she wanted to fuck me.

She blew me on the way home (something she's also never done) she literally was living in the moment, as was I.

It was just fucking fun, out of the normal boundaries and outright adrenaline pumping.

This is kind of awakening period for me. The standard bar, venue change, then home, then bang works sure, but don't we want more out of life ? Don't we want more exciting adventures ?

Post: #32

(05-09-2015 07:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 06:41 PM)monster Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 03:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @monster, it's all about delivery

And how exactly do you deliver "let's go get ice cream" in a cool way? Seems like an oxymoron.

"we gonna do some new shit tonight. You have a hat? Bring it"
*rolls up to gelato spot*

I don't ask a girl anything.
I leave things out so she has ask me questions.
I give her uncertainty.
I give her pleasure
I give her novelty
She likes what i have to say, but she can't predict it.
She likes the way I touch her.

She's never met a dude like me, and will never meet another dude like me.

I've fucked enough girls at this point, that I don't need to conform myself to their notions of how the script should play out. I don't jump through her hoops anymore.

I can take a girl to a boring ass silent movie date like a regular dude would, and put my ankle behind her calf. 2 hours of non-verbal communication, inching forward, keeping silences, glances, shrugs, touches and pushes, and whatever we saw she can't remember, but she can't forget what happened.

We can go to fancy dinner and i"ll talk to the people waiting in line and bring her into the conversation, put her on the spot, make her feel like a star.

We can go to Burger King and try to get busy in the bathroom, if she's hip enough to know that song.

What the "date" is, what the "activity I have planned for her" is immaterial in most cases.

I have game.

I see way beyond a lot of the scenarios that you guys come up with.

That stupid red pill and blue pill analogy that guys used to describe pick up, seduction, "the game" is about seeing the world for what it is.

But they focus on the 1st part of the movie, where Keanu/Neo gets pulled out of his normal life and sees himself as a human battery for alien overlords. He was never free to operate in that headspace that he lived in, the blue pill.

The proponents of the game never talk about the end of the movie.

When you understand this "matrix" that these chicks live in, you can see in "bullet time".

You know what a chick expects, she's going by the stupid pre-planned script that's been laid out for her.

Go to school
Stay pretty.
Meet a guy, fuck a guy that gets her vagina moist. Have her fun.
Years later, settle down with a good guy
Pump out some kids
Hopefully make it to the grave w/o serious complications.

When she's on the date, she expects to be picked up. She is waiting for a moment of chivalry. She expects the typical stupid conversation. It might even be lively, but it's not so out of pocket for her typical experiences.

So a square dude, a guy that isn't really in the game for real, he's just better dressed, more muscles, more socially active - he'll bomb with taking a chick for some ice cream. He'll get nowhere when he goes to the movies. He'll think the pussy in in the bag when he spends 200 dollars at the hippest restaurant in town, and wind up watching pornhub later that night.

The would be player thinks that he's being real slick when he picks the eatery 10 minutes walking from his place.

He's got this live chick in front of him, and the only thing he can think of is to get her into bed the fastest way possible.

People's conception of dating, of game, of the red pill, of the society we live in - is super narrow. They have very little imagination.

Most prefer to look at situations and think "that's not gonna work", as opposed to thinking, "how do I make this work for me?"

The only time I read about cats trying to get creative is when things are pretty much over.

My girl is leaving me, or left me.
How do I restart this cold text.

When they're in the thick of things, they're just going along with their own script. Never ever really thinking about the thing that they're doing. And chicks just follow who ever pulls the leash the hardest.

TL DR?

It's all in the delivery.

WIA

WIA basically killed it, and that is my goal basically in game. I don't want to be the regular cat that gets laid and has a few plates to spin all week. I want to be the guy that whenever he games a girl, all other players pale in comparison and the only way you can achieve that is being creative, grounded and with a frame harder than diamond. Thanks WIA

Post: #33

IMO Beer is a must, lots of Kino and flirting, especially dark rooms lol.

Post: #34

(05-11-2015 02:29 AM)kaotic Wrote:  Last night I took a plate out for drinks, then quickly changed over to this rad piano place and she loved it, honestly I acted like a fucking dork and did-not-give-a-fuck.

I was just HAVING good time.

And here is the key to advanced game.

This ties into this thread about liquor and no liquor.
It ties into the thread about not having enough energy to game.
It ties into the the thread about chicks not being interesting enough to go through the motions.

This goes back to what to screen for.
This concerns flaking and what to do about it.
It is the basis of good night game, and probably good day game.

I won't go so far as to say it's the key to life, but getting good at something and enjoying something are inextricably linked.

The beginning will be hard, and throughout the life of anything it won't always be fun. But most of the time it should be.

If its drudgery and you cannot make it fun, you have to do something else.

One's life is way too short to waste.

WIA

Post: #35

^^^^
WIA is always on point

Dates will always be boring and failures if you think of it as a routine to just grind through. I think a lot of men that swallow the red pill are still bitter at women and it shows on their dates. It's all about results, instead of actually enjoying the company of a woman as a man.

It's similar to how many people work out for a few months hard and experience some gains. They work out too much and never enjoy it. They end up burning themselves out and revert right back to ground zero.

Only go on a date if you want to and plan on something filled with enjoyment. Flirt, joke around, dance, whatever you need to do to enjoy it. That way if you don't get laid you still had fun and it wasn't a waste of time.

Post: #36

I just found this forum and made me chuckle as where was all this when I was young - well no internet back then I nearly forgot from age lol. At 45 I try not to "drink and pull" as my competitive advantage is my intelligence and sharp wit. My take on the original question is that many (most) girls/women suffer from what I call IANS syndrome (I Am Not A Slut). I noticed this a lot over last 15 years maybe as I prefer intelligent women (but still 7 or 8s at least - is that an oxymoron?) and like my first date on friday with an Indian gal of 28 she gave me a lift home after 2 hours and a long speech about how there was to be nothing not even kissing. The usual BS I hear about making men wait 3 months and then I just kissed in the car, touched her up - I always kiss and grope when I reckon the time is right I usually just don't kiss seems somehow lame - get the pussy wet early it is a 100% bang and earlier the better - then more BS and she would come home. 2 mins in my place she drags me to bed and bang - and I mean drag as she is a martial art nut. Then next day again all the BS about "it's not the way I behave" (yawn) "yes of course. Do you have a younger sister by chance?"

So I reckon drunk = availability = slut and many women have their guard up on a first date. I always make a girl feel like she is someone who I respect as a human being and that she is definitely not a slut. Just before I shag her senseless and bring out the inner slut all women have. I can BS about anything including fine art/wine/music/politics you name it I can BS about it. I turned my teenage nerdness into a well honed technique to bed women rapidly I suppose

Post: #37

(05-08-2015 08:09 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 07:07 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 07:02 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

(05-08-2015 06:07 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  I said this is another thread, but I set a time constraint by meeting at a coffee shop near my apartment about an hour before it closes.

Here's a question. How old are these women? I kind of like the coffee shop idea but are people in there late 20's+ going to coffee shops that late? I know coffee shop scene has everyone during the day but I've never even considered using one after 5pm.

It's worked on mid-20s to mid-30s for me. There's always people in coffee shops at all hours. What I mean by late is meeting at 9pm. Most coffee places close at 10pm.

Good info. Are you doing these meetups weekday nights...weekend nights? I guess I'm out of the loop on late night coffee game. I feel George in that Seinfeld episode

Usually on weeknights. Never a Friday or a weekend. I usually bang my regulars on the weekends.

Post: #38

I'm really happy with how this thread is going and the thoughtful conversation it's sparked. For night dates I've been working the 'let's meet for ice cream' angle over coffee since lots of people view drinking coffee after dinner as sacrilegious. However most women love ice cream and desserts. Over the last week I've been trying to find why these types of dates have consistently worked better for me vs. meeting up at a bar for drinks. Just now, something came to me. If you have read anything about psychology or NLP human and most animals' emotions are linked to external stimulation and conditioned responses (think pavlov's dogs). Again, this is just a thought but could it be that the a woman meeting up with a man in a bar for drinks is triggering her conditioned response of putting up her ASD since she's likely had years of prior experiences of drunk guys hitting on her in bars, spitting bad game and "just wanting to get in my pants" thinking?

Post: #39

(05-11-2015 08:59 AM)Oldskoolplayer Wrote:  I just found this forum and made me chuckle as where was all this when I was young - well no internet back then I nearly forgot from age lol. At 45 I try not to "drink and pull" as my competitive advantage is my intelligence and sharp wit. My take on the original question is that many (most) girls/women suffer from what I call IANS syndrome (I Am Not A Slut). I noticed this a lot over last 15 years maybe as I prefer intelligent women (but still 7 or 8s at least - is that an oxymoron?) and like my first date on friday with an Indian gal of 28 she gave me a lift home after 2 hours and a long speech about how there was to be nothing not even kissing. The usual BS I hear about making men wait 3 months and then I just kissed in the car, touched her up - I always kiss and grope when I reckon the time is right I usually just don't kiss seems somehow lame - get the pussy wet early it is a 100% bang and earlier the better - then more BS and she would come home. 2 mins in my place she drags me to bed and bang - and I mean drag as she is a martial art nut. Then next day again all the BS about "it's not the way I behave" (yawn) "yes of course. Do you have a younger sister by chance?"

So I reckon drunk = availability = slut and many women have their guard up on a first date. I always make a girl feel like she is someone who I respect as a human being and that she is definitely not a slut. Just before I shag her senseless and bring out the inner slut all women have. I can BS about anything including fine art/wine/music/politics you name it I can BS about it. I turned my teenage nerdness into a well honed technique to bed women rapidly I suppose

Excellent post glad to have you here

Post: #40

I would say that if a girl drinks or doesn't drink, has ZERO impact on the results of the date.

If she likes you, she will bang you either way. If she doesn't, she won't, either way.

And my last 3 dates I've had meet me in my house for the first meetup and I haven't been able to bang them, and I can't find any obvious game flaw, so I'm not sure getting them to meet at your house means as much as I thought.

PUAs over value things small things way too much that don't matter much in the grand scheme of things.

Like the girl is going to be attracted or not, compliance, drinking, a neg, a funny line, etc isn't going to make her f you.

Post: #41

Captain Jack once said that looking at pickup is similar to someone driving a car. There are many different components of the car when you are driving. The key is you need to find the one that makes the most impact, and simplify your game around that, and when you do that game gets so easy. Because at the core that is what is bringing you girls.

To Captain Jack, the most important component of the car was the driving wheel. 90 percent of the control of the car is going to be the driving wheel. 10 percent may be other small parts of the car.

Mr Jack theorized that this driving wheel in the pickup world, was frames. Setting a sexual frame that you think she is hot and want to bang her. And that creates tension and tingles

Now, while the analogy is clever, this so called guru completely missed the boat.

His sexual frames have very little impact on getting the girls, he is missusing the word sexual frames for LOOKS. Looks is the 90 percent driving factor for him. Think about Captain JAcks game, his whole marketing states there is no attraction phase, you just go up to the girl and start throwing frames. Well yeah, but that doesn't work unless she thinks your hot. Idiot. All captain jack is doing with frames is walking up as a hot guy she thinks is super hot and he is stating his intent to them. Which they are obvious receptive to because he is hot. Which is why he can lay 1 in 5 chicks he approaches.

Sexual frames are really one of the biggest marketing scams and Captain Jack is one of the biggest charlatans out there

Which goes back to the point, that something so small, such as frames, or drinking, etc can be built up by the community as something that has such a big impact. Captain Jacks analogy was correct, however the 90 percent is looks. And everything else is small potato's.

Post: #42

This is also pointing out the problem of men who cannot accurately discern why they got the girl

I don't think I have ever heard a guy say I got her because she thought I was hot.

The ego says it has to be some other small factor that he did that was so brilliant but just didn't really have much impact after all

Post: #43

(05-12-2015 01:12 AM)B-Nut Wrote:  Like the girl is going to be attracted or not, compliance, drinking, a neg, a funny line, etc isn't going to make her f you.

So it's all basically a #'s game huh?

There's really nothing you can do other than talk to more girls.

WIA

Post: #44

Alcohol is obviously the best, but chocolate (fancy dessert) or gelato is almost as good. The latter gets messy, which provides an easy excuse to touch her face and escalate. I live in an area famous for dessert and ice cream, so I tend to go with those for dates.

Post: #45

(05-08-2015 01:06 PM)kaotic Wrote:  Honestly it's a toss up for me

I've done both and have bad and good experienced with both.

It really depends on how good your game is and a bit of comfort game also.

I've had a girl agree to come over to "charge her phone" after meeting me by this fountain, not even coffee !

I've had a girl I had coffee with that freaked out when she was half naked and walked out on me.

I've had a threesome with no booze or coffee, with the girls coming over without ever meeting me.

I'd say 50% of my coffee dates end up with maybe a makeout.

Sidenote: I don't usually kiss a girl if we're leaving a bar, I'll do that when she's laying in my bed.

My booze/bar game is pretty damn good, it also helps knowing bartenders and having logistics dialed (bars less than a mile from my house)

For some reason it's just way easier with a drink or 2 and a shot.

Problem is it's $8 for 2 coffees maybe but no bang, and I'm spending $40-50 a night and get a bang.

I hope this doesn't get turned into a team coffee vs team booze debate.

These are just my results - I also like going on sober coffee dates because it sharpens my skills and learn some valuable lessons.

Post: #46

Another point that should be brought up is don't make it all or nothing with the style of date you do.

If you make the alcohol/no alcohol date the same every time it will get boring and it'll feel like a grind. If you do the same date with the same girl it'll get boring even quicker.

Mix up whether you do alcohol/no alcohol, active/non active, beach/city, club/museum. This will make you more interesting and unpredictable which will attract the women more plus you will have versatility. You can get the party girls, non drinkers, hipsters, outdoorsy girls, etc. The amount of type of girls you are exposed grows and grows.

Post: #47

(05-09-2015 07:35 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 06:41 PM)monster Wrote:  

(05-09-2015 03:36 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  @monster, it's all about delivery

And how exactly do you deliver "let's go get ice cream" in a cool way? Seems like an oxymoron.

"we gonna do some new shit tonight. You have a hat? Bring it"
*rolls up to gelato spot*

I don't ask a girl anything.
I leave things out so she has ask me questions.
I give her uncertainty.
I give her pleasure
I give her novelty
She likes what i have to say, but she can't predict it.
She likes the way I touch her.

She's never met a dude like me, and will never meet another dude like me.

I've fucked enough girls at this point, that I don't need to conform myself to their notions of how the script should play out. I don't jump through her hoops anymore.

I can take a girl to a boring ass silent movie date like a regular dude would, and put my ankle behind her calf. 2 hours of non-verbal communication, inching forward, keeping silences, glances, shrugs, touches and pushes, and whatever we saw she can't remember, but she can't forget what happened.

We can go to fancy dinner and i"ll talk to the people waiting in line and bring her into the conversation, put her on the spot, make her feel like a star.

We can go to Burger King and try to get busy in the bathroom, if she's hip enough to know that song.

What the "date" is, what the "activity I have planned for her" is immaterial in most cases.

I have game.

I see way beyond a lot of the scenarios that you guys come up with.

That stupid red pill and blue pill analogy that guys used to describe pick up, seduction, "the game" is about seeing the world for what it is.

But they focus on the 1st part of the movie, where Keanu/Neo gets pulled out of his normal life and sees himself as a human battery for alien overlords. He was never free to operate in that headspace that he lived in, the blue pill.

The proponents of the game never talk about the end of the movie.

When you understand this "matrix" that these chicks live in, you can see in "bullet time".

You know what a chick expects, she's going by the stupid pre-planned script that's been laid out for her.

Go to school
Stay pretty.
Meet a guy, fuck a guy that gets her vagina moist. Have her fun.
Years later, settle down with a good guy
Pump out some kids
Hopefully make it to the grave w/o serious complications.

When she's on the date, she expects to be picked up. She is waiting for a moment of chivalry. She expects the typical stupid conversation. It might even be lively, but it's not so out of pocket for her typical experiences.

So a square dude, a guy that isn't really in the game for real, he's just better dressed, more muscles, more socially active - he'll bomb with taking a chick for some ice cream. He'll get nowhere when he goes to the movies. He'll think the pussy in in the bag when he spends 200 dollars at the hippest restaurant in town, and wind up watching pornhub later that night.

The would be player thinks that he's being real slick when he picks the eatery 10 minutes walking from his place.

He's got this live chick in front of him, and the only thing he can think of is to get her into bed the fastest way possible.

People's conception of dating, of game, of the red pill, of the society we live in - is super narrow. They have very little imagination.

Most prefer to look at situations and think "that's not gonna work", as opposed to thinking, "how do I make this work for me?"

The only time I read about cats trying to get creative is when things are pretty much over.

My girl is leaving me, or left me.
How do I restart this cold text.

When they're in the thick of things, they're just going along with their own script. Never ever really thinking about the thing that they're doing. And chicks just follow who ever pulls the leash the hardest.

TL DR?

It's all in the delivery.

WIA

Can't agree more. Alcohol is only a socia lubricant that causes the out of the box mentality. It's why there's those "crazy stories" your friends tell you from nights out that you don't recall.

Post: #48

Since getting into game, I've always leaned towards drink dates.

Bumping this thread up, I think I may have shot myself in the foot. I've got a date lined up for Friday (will go over this in the Approach thread) in which I suggested she take me for a run (something we talked about earlier) near her place. I said that I'd take her to the beach near where I was raised at a later date -- we both grew up by the coast.

My idea was we'd either grab wine and watch the sunset afterwards (this running track runs around our Botanical Gardens and has good heights) or go to a bar nearby then bounce to hers. I suggested at the start taking her to a bouldering wall near that track.

I should've suggested going to drinks from the get go but I was too much of a pussy. I feel that it's late to change plans altogether.

Having scanned both areas, I've realised that the running tracks around my suburb are in much closer proximity to my place than the original location would be to hers. There are more bars and dessert joints in her suburb though.

Is the running date idea that feasible assuming I want to push for the first date bang?

Post: #49

(02-22-2016 01:41 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  Since getting into game, I've always leaned towards drink dates.

Bumping this thread up, I think I may have shot myself in the foot. I've got a date lined up for Friday (will go over this in the Approach thread) in which I suggested she take me for a run (something we talked about earlier) near her place. I said that I'd take her to the beach near where I was raised at a later date -- we both grew up by the coast.

My idea was we'd either grab wine and watch the sunset afterwards (this running track runs around our Botanical Gardens and has good heights) or go to a bar nearby then bounce to hers. I suggested at the start taking her to a bouldering wall near that track.

I should've suggested going to drinks from the get go but I was too much of a pussy. I feel that it's late to change plans altogether.

Having scanned both areas, I've realised that the running tracks around my suburb are in much closer proximity to my place than the original location would be to hers. There are more bars and dessert joints in her suburb though.

Is the running date idea that feasible assuming I want to push for the first date bang?

If you want to have fun then do whatever it is interests you the most.

If you strictly want to get your dick wet, do whatever will get your logstics most in favor in the event that she's down to bounce to your/her place.

Post: #50

(02-22-2016 01:41 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  Since getting into game, I've always leaned towards drink dates.

Bumping this thread up, I think I may have shot myself in the foot. I've got a date lined up for Friday (will go over this in the Approach thread) in which I suggested she take me for a run (something we talked about earlier) near her place. I said that I'd take her to the beach near where I was raised at a later date -- we both grew up by the coast.

1) You must be young and in shape, no way in hell I"d agree to this
2) run near her place - She's probably going to feel gross afterwards. So she's going to want a shower.
- does she have room mates?

If so, she gets to run with you, get sweaty, feel gross, evaluate your game, and then say goodbye as she takes a shower.

- she doesn't have roomies? Then make sure you can shower at her place, and have some soy muffins in your car, or whatever you runners eat.

3) The real key issue is that she's going to feel gross after sweating.
- you could go hollywood and plan something for the run itself
- you can play grab ass during the run and try to escalate in a nearby woods, playground, club house.
- you can end up in a pool somehow

But the logistics of the date aren't favorable to an easy bang. You're going to have to focus more on headwork and turning her on.

In any event, I wouldn't wait till the end of the run to go for the kiss. Too predictable.

WIA