Post: #76

I have a paunch at 47. So unless I lose that I doubt I'll be the one scoring the 29 year old. However I've definitely beat out a ripped younger boy toy with someone still fit and hot at 44. The thing is I got inside her head. Very dominant from the start, and surprisingly this other guy she said he looks good but he's got to be lead around by the nose. I've added muscle but still need to lose the visceral fat (used to be 320). However, just being handsome, with a nice smile, supremely confident, and dominant in bed will still help until you reach your fitness levels.

To be sure I've missed out on a few too. Only due to eye test. If I somehow get past her walls and bang her, then it's almost guaranteed I'll be at least able to plate spin her unless she insists on exclusive only. Even then I am going to get a few more in while we talk it over.

So for me I need to keep losing weight. When they overlook it they get a damn good fucking, and don't want to give that shit up.

(05-24-2016 02:41 PM)Sandstorm Wrote:  

(05-23-2016 01:29 PM)zatara Wrote:  Plus the health benefits for yourself, the added respect from other men, the improved sporting ability etc. There are a lot more benefits than just in gaming.

I think this is a very good point to keep in mind. I plan this year to try and hit the gym at least 3 times but preferably 5 times a week. I seriously need to work on my upper body and body fat (I'm skinny by nature but it's collecting in a roll around my stomach - too much sentient work-life has caught up) - I'm kind of an inverted V at the moment - narrow shoulders and measly chest with a distended belly, like some starving Ethiopian kid! - not a good look.

And I love what RichieP said about it improving his performance in bed - I could do with higher T levels for sure!

Post: #77

^Fuck yes. Good contribution. Stick around dude.

Post: #78

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Seriously. I'm not denying the importance of muscles in the West. I'm in agreement as much as you are that it's practically a prerequisite to getting laid.
To put the USA, UK and Australia in the same league of muscle demand, however, is downright laughable. It's as hyperbolically dystopic as a lot of the feedback in RVF about the Anglosphere; that is utter sensationalism.

Guys who have lived in all three countries can see for themselves the proportion of of jacked men relative to the rest of the population, and for that matter, relative to each of the other countries. There are no shortage of Aussies who have moved to the UK and can swear on their mothers that the proportion of jacked men is nothing compared to back home. All this talk of more and more British men getting bigger and bigger; it's not just hearsay on my part — I've seen it with my eyes and I'm telling you, that isn't the case. Australian men are bigger by comparison, and across a wider distribution of the menfolk. Gym culture has far more of a niche following in the UK.

Is it any coincidence that these three countries are also the fattest in the world? It's quite a wonderful irony. That despite such a huge amount of those countries practising utter sloth, a good amount of the remainder feels the need to stick out so drastically. And please don't come up with bullshit about how fatness is confined to the womenfolk in the three countries.



With Australia at least, obesity is distributed fairly between genders, with males slightly ahead:

file://ntapprdfs01n02.rmit.internal/sh5/S3207175/NTTW+Report.pdf

And no, the stats weren't doctored by feminists.

Even in Oz, while I'll be the first to talk up our gym prevalence, the truth is, there's a top-down distribution of jacked dudes versus everyone else. Rush87 posted some data in another thread about how a maybe 30% of gym members were true regulars, compared to fairweather users. Of that 30%, maybe a fraction of that, say 2.5% of overall society, are dedicated enough to be truly ripped. Beyond gym participation, they'd be fastidiously tracking their build via trainers, apps, diet, supplements, steroids, magic spells, etc.

On the other hand, at least in Australia, it's not a recent phenomenon. Otherwise I'd have been kicking myself for missing the boat. I know colleagues and classmates who were working on getting jacked as "early" as 2010, it was getting mainstream by then. Being skinny wasn't going to cut it even then.

Are those the 2.5% that rake in all the poon? Maybe, maybe not. As one-dimensional as we think Western girls to be, I think it's safe to say that they aren't simply being funnelled towards men who have supposedly cracked the code to getting laid (muscles).

Which brings me to my next point. All this circle-jerking on muscles being the be all and end all of game is simply counterproductive, just like the threads on RVF on whether looks matter. It's setting you up for a journey of frustration when you decide, "Fuck it, I'll get huge." You then find out that you aren't drowning in pussy, or every man and his dog are doing the same thing, leading to muscle inflation.

Sure the arms race is a real thing, but is it getting to such astronomical proportions to the irrelevance of all else such that one will have to have a bodybuilder's lifestyle from the age of 10 just to cut it with women? To the extent that someone of Zyzz's physique will have the semblance of a concentration survivor in the field of game?

The sequel to Bang may well be titled "Bang: Get Big"



I'm built, but not jacked — given regular gym use, I'll reach there in a year, give or take. I still have questions on the nuts and bolts of game, my postings on RVF reflect that. Clearly, the message here of "Get huge, show up, get laid" isn't working is it? Or is there a threshold of largeness whereby one can simply do that, and caveman your way into a vagina? One that will only increase inexorably as the years go by?



Also for muscle mass to show, especially if you're of the lean variety, one will need to wear fitted, preferably sleeveless, undergarments to have any tangible effect. We're talking tight T-shirts, or preerably, singlets or muscle shirts. Are US, UK and Australian men wearing them throughout the year?

(05-17-2016 06:42 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  [quote='Tex' pid='1302977' dateline='1463449408']
Other than that, it's all about the $$$.

Don't you mean ££££?

Post: #79

If you are ripped, go to the beach and approach. In this one scenario, your body will do most of the work for you and you will have a much higher success rate than on the street or in a club.

Post: #80

I've gotten laid in East Asia with a gut and lovehandles, and have fucked quite a few girls way out of my league that, admittedly, I'd never be able to get back in my home country.

Though I know I'd probably get a lot, LOT more lays if I was lean and jacked, which I'm in the process of doing. I'd say the Brad Pitt physique from Flight Club is what most Asians are attracted to. But I'm talking about NE Asians. Disregard Southeast Asia; most girls there probably don't give a fuck what you look like.

Post: #81

"Disregard Southeast Asia; most girls there probably don't give a fuck what you look like."

^^^
Incorrect.

Post: #82

Most chinese girls prefer lean dudes, but that doesn't put big dudes out of the running in the least.

Post: #83

(06-07-2016 08:28 AM)Mr. Scumbag Wrote:  I've gotten laid in East Asia with a gut and lovehandles, and have fucked quite a few girls way out of my league that, admittedly, I'd never be able to get back in my home country.

Though I know I'd probably get a lot, LOT more lays if I was lean and jacked, which I'm in the process of doing. I'd say the Brad Pitt physique from Flight Club is what most Asians are attracted to. But I'm talking about NE Asians. Disregard Southeast Asia; most girls there probably don't give a fuck what you look like.

The thing with being lean is that it is pretty much useless in most situations. Just think about it: How many times are you meeting a girl while you are topless so that she can see your sixpack and shredded body? Usually a girl first sees you topless when you are already in bed with her and I doubt that being not lean would be a dealbreaker at that point of the seduction. Having a sixpack only benefits you if you are attending pool parties, if you are daygaming on the beach or if you are using Tinder/Instagram to get laid. In all other cases, being lean doesn't really help you.

With that said, I also prefer the lean look but that is mostly because I still want to keep some athleticism for other sports that require you to be fast and quick on your feet.

Post: #84

(06-07-2016 08:01 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  via Imgflip Meme Generator

Seriously. I'm not denying the importance of muscles in the West. I'm in agreement as much as you are that it's practically a prerequisite to getting laid.
To put the USA, UK and Australia in the same league of muscle demand, however, is downright laughable. It's as hyperbolically dystopic as a lot of the feedback in RVF about the Anglosphere; that is utter sensationalism.

Guys who have lived in all three countries can see for themselves the proportion of of jacked men relative to the rest of the population, and for that matter, relative to each of the other countries. There are no shortage of Aussies who have moved to the UK and can swear on their mothers that the proportion of jacked men is nothing compared to back home. All this talk of more and more British men getting bigger and bigger; it's not just hearsay on my part — I've seen it with my eyes and I'm telling you, that isn't the case. Australian men are bigger by comparison, and across a wider distribution of the menfolk. Gym culture has far more of a niche following in the UK.

This is so money, I would give you another rep point alone for this.

The average dude in the UK is skinny fat, I don't recall seeing too many Aussie guys who were skinny fat. They were usually lean and tall.

In all fairness, men in the UK are more concerned with drinking a six pack of beer over getting a six pack. The market doesn't dictate that you need a six pack to get a girl. Australia sounds like a different ball game.

To say girls in certain countries aren't into big guys is a bit misleading, I am not saying whether this is true or not. What I am saying is how many big, jacked guys do you see in these countries to begin with.

How many 6 feet 200llb men in shape are you seeing on a daily basis in Asia?

Post: #85

There is probably a reason why Zyzz came out of Australia, not the UK. I wonder if Australian guys curse him now because he ruined the market there with so many guys in Australia trying to look like him.

Post: #86

(06-07-2016 05:29 PM)Iso Wrote:  There is probably a reason why Zyzz came out of Australia, not the UK. I wonder if Australian guys curse him now because he ruined the market there with so many guys in Australia trying to look like him.

The answer is yes, we all hate the legacy Zyzz left down under. Women on the other hand, eat it up because this country is now truly a woman's paradise and man's hell.

Post: #87

(05-17-2016 04:39 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 05:39 AM)RichieP Wrote:  ^Good insight Adrenaline... that makes sense. Especially for the average Aussie girl.

What about the real quality aussie chicks though. I DID see some real stunners at the beaches, and the upscale bars in the cities.

Presumably they aren't chasing roid-mate. What guys do these girls end up with?

Inaccessible, unless you're good enough to break into their social circle which half the time consists of professional athletes and/or rich/powerful business types and the other half consists of tight knit friends of both sexes who haven't been split since high school/university. The former is more likely to be encountered in big cities like Melbourne and Sydney and the latter is more likely to be encountered in smaller cities like Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. You might have some success with those girls if you get extremely lucky and can get their friends to like you somehow, but in the end it all comes down to being on the inside and getting there ain't easy.

Adrenaline, while I agree to an extent on your assessments of the juiced-up brutish Colossus of Rhodes' sex appeal in Australia, you've been painting an extremely daunting picture of élite Australian girls. Completely closed off to men of colour, fixated on 6'3" built-like-beasts blokes with perfect V-shaped torsos, and ensconed in the orbit of hermetically sealed high-powered social circles with the impenetrability of Fort Knox. (No pun intended)

Would I be by any chance full of shit in telling you that I routinely attract IOIs back home, have mostly slept with white Australian girls (never had to 'settle for' a chick of my skin colour), and have been directly opened by a model? (At a festival in Melbourne packed with jacked bros and wogs no less.)
I'm after all of upper-middle class stock, privately educated and attended one of Melbourne's (indeed Australia's) most prestigious universities. But at the end of the day, I'm not jacked, and of a minority background, which in your book is an automatic sexual disqualifier for Australian birds, let alone the prestigious ones, right?

Post: #88

'Do only Western guys value a slim body, nice tits and a round ass in women?'

I think that answers your question OP. A nicely built, muscular body will make you more attractive to the 99% of the population who don't have weird fetishes. Some things are universally attractive in all humans.

Post: #89

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Post: #90

JWLZG- I never said all women go for muscles, especially the private school, higher class ones you speak of. They care more about social circle, and the approval of their friends/family which means you having your shit together. Pretty sure I mentioned that in my previous post. These women you have slept with have probably been in your circle or you've been approved by their circle in one way or another. I get IOI's, approached and complimented on a weekly basis as well but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. What you do for work?

Post: #91

(06-08-2016 04:52 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  JWLZG- I never said all women go for muscles, especially the private school, higher class ones you speak of. They care more about social circle, and the approval of their friends/family which means you having your shit together. Pretty sure I mentioned that in my previous post. These women you have slept with have probably been in your circle or you've been approved by their circle in one way or another. I get IOI's, approached and complimented on a weekly basis as well but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. What you do for work?

I'm a student and bartender, about to start work as a personal trainer. You're right about my notches being mostly from my social circles (along with festivals and Tinder); and they were all in the 6.5-8 range. Maybe I'm a bit biased regarding the tightness of higher-end social circles, because I have a leg in, and they're definitely not mono-racial (not saying that you said it). I brought up the race thing because you've mentioned it in another thread, and it definitely ties in with IOI's and muscle gain. It made me appreciate how muscles are doubly more of a prerequisite in minority dudes.

As for your question of work, it's a bit negligible. An FWB of mine (used to model for Chadwick) dropped me for a plumber she'd been seeing on and off. For the record, I had no muscle mass then, and she later admitted I was extremely lucky for that to happen. What other countries besides Australia do tradies get preferenced over privated-educated guys that are about to became engineers in a couple of years?

Post: #92

(06-08-2016 07:46 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 04:39 PM)Adrenaline Wrote:  

(05-17-2016 05:39 AM)RichieP Wrote:  ^Good insight Adrenaline... that makes sense. Especially for the average Aussie girl.

What about the real quality aussie chicks though. I DID see some real stunners at the beaches, and the upscale bars in the cities.

Presumably they aren't chasing roid-mate. What guys do these girls end up with?

Inaccessible, unless you're good enough to break into their social circle which half the time consists of professional athletes and/or rich/powerful business types and the other half consists of tight knit friends of both sexes who haven't been split since high school/university. The former is more likely to be encountered in big cities like Melbourne and Sydney and the latter is more likely to be encountered in smaller cities like Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. You might have some success with those girls if you get extremely lucky and can get their friends to like you somehow, but in the end it all comes down to being on the inside and getting there ain't easy.

Adrenaline, while I agree to an extent on your assessments of the juiced-up brutish Colossus of Rhodes' sex appeal in Australia, you've been painting an extremely daunting picture of élite Australian girls. Completely closed off to men of colour, fixated on 6'3" built-like-beasts blokes with perfect V-shaped torsos, and ensconed in the orbit of hermetically sealed high-powered social circles with the impenetrability of Fort Knox. (No pun intended)

Would I be by any chance full of shit in telling you that I routinely attract IOIs back home, have mostly slept with white Australian girls (never had to 'settle for' a chick of my skin colour), and have been directly opened by a model? (At a festival in Melbourne packed with jacked bros and wogs no less.)
I'm after all of upper-middle class stock, privately educated and attended one of Melbourne's (indeed Australia's) most prestigious universities. But at the end of the day, I'm not jacked, and of a minority background, which in your book is an automatic sexual disqualifier for Australian birds, let alone the prestigious ones, right?

I have a similar background to yourself, and I would actually say muscle is invariably a non issue amongst the upper class white girls.

...That being said, I would agree with Adrenaline that they are for the most part inaccessible.

I was in the circles of these women through school, but since losing touch, I have noticed that I will go weeks without seeing anything about a 7 in Sydney.

From experience, this section of Australian girls run in their own circles and are more or less a unicorn to everyone outside those circles.

Post: #93

(06-08-2016 10:08 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  I have a similar background to yourself, and I would actually say muscle is invariably a non issue amongst the upper class white girls.

...That being said, I would agree with Adrenaline that they are for the most part inaccessible.

I was in the circles of these women through school, but since losing touch, I have noticed that I will go weeks without seeing anything about a 7 in Sydney.

From experience, this section of Australian girls run in their own circles and are more or less a unicorn to everyone outside those circles.

It's pretty depressing for someone who desires sex with skinny white preferably blonde higher-society women. My social circle similarly dissipated since most of us graduated, save for contact on Facebook. The kicker being that many of them weren't even that hot to begin with.

Then I realised how much their own class generally paled in comparison to European women. I was pretty naïve to still entertain fantasies of speaking French and Spanish with Australians at cocktail receptions. It took me this long to find out not only just how far speaking 4 languages and being able to converse on anything from literature to philosophy of art got you with Australian girls; these traits couldn't dry up vaginas faster anywhere else in the world. My city likes to tout itself as the arts capital of Australia, possibly the Southern Hemisphere, but I have a feeling that being versed in such tastes would mostly get you looked down upon as a wanker or a poofter here, nevertheless.

All these traits get you as much mileage as your jacked guns, even more. The Europeans that I got with admitted that my passion for travel or cultural acumen helped seal the deal. They definitely appreciated dudes that are well-read, can connect with them on cultural references and dress well. When people give you that bullshit line of "just be yourself" in terms of game, that's probably the closest example I felt to getting to that phrase.
Yes, looks matter, and when they got far enough they appreciated my build, but at that point I'd lost a lot of muscle mass. For a lot of that period, my physique was hidden under winter layers during first impressions.

My ideal scenario would be to move in upper-class Swedish, Polish and Russian social circles. Especially when considering whether Australian girls are that worth your return of investment in, versus the eventual rewards you reap out of them. Do they really at that pinnacle of SMV that they're made out to be? My city does have much more going for it than women, if you want to be empirical about things, but at what cost? And does it really stack up against competition elsewhere?

Post: #94

(06-08-2016 10:55 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:08 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  I have a similar background to yourself, and I would actually say muscle is invariably a non issue amongst the upper class white girls.

...That being said, I would agree with Adrenaline that they are for the most part inaccessible.

I was in the circles of these women through school, but since losing touch, I have noticed that I will go weeks without seeing anything about a 7 in Sydney.

From experience, this section of Australian girls run in their own circles and are more or less a unicorn to everyone outside those circles.

It's pretty depressing for someone who desires sex with skinny white preferably blonde higher-society women. My social circle similarly dissipated since most of us graduated, save for contact on Facebook. The kicker being that many of them weren't even that hot to begin with.

Then I realised how much their own class generally paled in comparison to European women. I was pretty naïve to still entertain fantasies of speaking French and Spanish with Australians at cocktail receptions. It took me this long to find out not only just how far speaking 4 languages and being able to converse on anything from literature to philosophy of art got you with Australian girls; these traits couldn't dry up vaginas faster anywhere else in the world. My city likes to tout itself as the arts capital of Australia, possibly the Southern Hemisphere, but I have a feeling that being versed in such tastes would mostly get you looked down upon as a wanker or a poofter here, nevertheless.

All these traits get you as much mileage as your jacked guns, even more. The Europeans that I got with admitted that my passion for travel or cultural acumen helped seal the deal. They definitely appreciated dudes that are well-read, can connect with them on cultural references and dress well. When people give you that bullshit line of "just be yourself" in terms of game, that's probably the closest example I felt to getting to that phrase.
Yes, looks matter, and when they got far enough they appreciated my build, but at that point I'd lost a lot of muscle mass. For a lot of that period, my physique was hidden under winter layers during first impressions.

My ideal scenario would be to move in upper-class Swedish, Polish and Russian social circles. Especially when considering whether Australian girls are that worth your return of investment in, versus the eventual rewards you reap out of them. Do they really at that pinnacle of SMV that they're made out to be? My city does have much more going for it than women, if you want to be empirical about things, but at what cost? And does it really stack up against competition elsewhere?

Attractive Australian women are about as inflated as our property prices. In much the same way that you can get a superior, two bedroom apartment in Krakow for 10x less than Sydney, you can also get a superior woman for at least half the drama.

Post: #95

(06-08-2016 02:42 AM)Adrenaline Wrote:  The answer is yes, we all hate the legacy Zyzz left down under. Women on the other hand, eat it up because this country is now truly a woman's paradise and man's hell.

Australia and Miami are the only two places in the world I've ever reliably found myself being the smallest man in a room at a fit 6ft0 220lbs. The average level of physical fitness amongst men in Oz is shockingly high.

A big big part of that is steroid use becoming so common in Australia these days for men under 30. Which Zyzz definitely played a big role in popularizing. I wouldn't mind if it was for professional reasons (say if the guys were athletes, or models) - it can make sense in that context. But to have so many men taking steroids pretty much entirely to get women is an awful state of affairs.

It'd be the equivalent of going to a country where almost all women had D cup breasts on 110lb frames. And the ones who don't all have to get boobjobs to compete, or they've no hope of landing any sort of quality man.

For what its worth, I also agree with Adrenaline and Rush87 that the best women in Australia are largely closed off to those not in their social circles. The only women I ever met in Sydney that were both attractive and intelligent were at private parties that I was at through expensive private school social circles that a couple of Aussie guys I knew were in. Otherwise almost all girls I met were either attractive but retarded bogans, or if I got lucky and found a vaguely intelligent one she was inevitably frumpy as hell.

Post: #96

^^^
Seems Roosh's 2013 prediction is coming true:


From: http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-be-a-great-man

Post: #97

(05-22-2016 09:22 PM)elcidcampeador Wrote:  Asians like feminine-looking men. Just take a look at the Westerners they have on TV over there.

I was told by an Asian-American woman that the last woman many gay guys date before they come out is Asian, because many Asian women tend to like more effeminate dudes.

Post: #98

(06-09-2016 05:50 AM)zatara Wrote:  Australia and Miami are the only two places in the world I've ever reliably found myself being the smallest man in a room at a fit 6ft0 220lbs. The average level of physical fitness amongst men in Oz is shockingly high.

Thanks for the Miami reference.

I had a couple of guys laugh at me in one of the Miami threads when I mentioned that I was one of the smallest guys at the club at 6'1 200 lbs lean.

Post: #99

Jeez Miami seems like the game turned up to a harcore level of 11.

You got the status jocks, athletes, yachts, decadent culture and insanely jacked guys to compete with.

But then they also have some of the finest latinas anywhere. It seems like if you can kill it there, you can do well just about anywhere.

Post: #100

(06-10-2016 03:56 PM)Anabasis to Desta Wrote:  Thanks for the Miami reference.

I had a couple of guys laugh at me in one of the Miami threads when I mentioned that I was one of the smallest guys at the club at 6'1 200 lbs lean.

Miami at least has a huge number of stunning women in it, which helps balance out the problems from the strong male competition a bit. You might have to keep yourself at the top of your game looks/status wise, but at least you'll be rewarded for it. Australia has most of those similar negatives with far fewer attractive women available as a reward.