Post: #26

Good responses, thanks.

Let me add a few details.

The girl was a 6 at best and I was honestly more interested in talking with these other guys I met - they had some really good shit going on and I wanted to talk to them about it, so I did. In my mind the girl was a distant second priority at the time. I'm brutally honest with myself when I critique my game and I honestly don't think I was afraid to close. I just wanted to finish my conversation with those guys and get their details, because they were ballers and are going to be really valuable contacts to have. You don't meet guys with their shit together every day, but 6's can be found anywhere. That's how I saw it anyway.

When those guys left I went back downstairs and she wasn't around, so I sat in the lounge talking to these other guys. I was rolling solo so I was mingling where I could. I definitely wasn't trying to "show off", although now that you say it I can see how it would've looked that way. I mean, I was talking with those guys for a good 20 mins before she showed up and honestly I didn't even know if she was still at the bar at that point. When she showed up I pulled her to the seat and then we all just kept talking about whatever we were talking about. The mood for me definitely wasn't "let me show these guys how cool I am", but more just a few guys shooting the shit and giving a few lessons to those 18 year olds next to us. I guess I'd had a good few drinks by then and it didn't really register that we were letting out "secrets" in front of her. Now that you guys say it, I realize when she showed up in that room is when I should have said my goodbyes to the fellas and closed. Lesson learned.

And by the way, although I definitely consider myself red pill aware I don't and never have claimed to have amazing game - I'm still learning, definitely.

Lessons learned:
-keep your eye on the prize
-don't talk game in front of girls

Still no consensus on what to do when you get hit.

Post: #27

(05-01-2015 07:07 PM)Gas Wrote:  Good responses, thanks.

Let me add a few details.

The girl was a 6 at best and I was honestly more interested in talking with these other guys I met - they had some really good shit going on and I wanted to talk to them about it, so I did. In my mind the girl was a distant second priority at the time. I'm brutally honest with myself when I critique my game and I honestly don't think I was afraid to close. I just wanted to finish my conversation with those guys and get their details, because they were ballers and are going to be really valuable contacts to have. You don't meet guys with their shit together every day, but 6's can be found anywhere. That's how I saw it anyway.

When those guys left I went back downstairs and she wasn't around, so I sat in the lounge talking to these other guys. I was rolling solo so I was mingling where I could. I definitely wasn't trying to "show off", although now that you say it I can see how it would've looked that way. I mean, I was talking with those guys for a good 20 mins before she showed up and honestly I didn't even know if she was still at the bar at that point. When she showed up I pulled her to the seat and then we all just kept talking about whatever we were talking about. The mood for me definitely wasn't "let me show these guys how cool I am", but more just a few guys shooting the shit and giving a few lessons to those 18 year olds next to us. I guess I'd had a good few drinks by then and it didn't really register that we were letting out "secrets" in front of her. Now that you guys say it, I realize when she showed up in that room is when I should have said my goodbyes to the fellas and closed. Lesson learned.

And by the way, although I definitely consider myself red pill aware I don't and never have claimed to have amazing game - I'm still learning, definitely.

Lessons learned:
-keep your eye on the prize
-don't talk game in front of girls

Still no consensus on what to do when you get hit.

it doesn't matter if she was a 6 or a 10 your still missing out on the point.

there was a girl that was down to fuck.... but you would rather talk to a group of guys than pound her pussy baboon orange

At then end of the day you were not practicing what you were preaching. You're telling these other guys how to get there shit together but you didn't even have your own shit together.

Her hitting you was a after reaction to your fuck up. Its the least of your worries.

Learn from what you did, and in the future don't be a social retard.

Look man it happens to the best of us, its dope that your going out solo and experimenting keep it up.

Just know that half of game is being able to handle social situations with grace and style.

You win some you learn some

Post: #28

I came to the Red Pill not long ago and I remember one time an older woman - end 30s, but bangable - opening me and my buddy in a shop. I started talking about Red Pill stuff to her and the male staff and after 5 minutes she was almost in tears. It's not that one of us wanted to bang her, but I just made the situation bad for the woman.

Many won't be able to deal with it - especially not post-wall women or some as in your case OP - who get a dose of it in front of a bunch of men.

But that was then - I never breach Red Pill subject in that intensity unless I talk with a woman who is really interested. Did so with my female cousins and even they did not want to hear everything as it was painful to them. They recognized their Alpha widow state, their Alpha interest phase up until end 20s etc. We have to realize that women often don't even know this about their own psyche. I mean they may know on some level, but they really don't recognize that they have the party years, the carousel riding, the deliberate Dark Triad interest, then the epiphany stage and the wall. There are so many things in society that keep them from having to deal with it that they rationalize it all away as "natural". Some of course do know consciously, but for most - it's a hamster-induced mystery as well.

Many cannot deal with all of it OP and that's why your girl reacted that way. Even those that WANT to hear about it are ill-equipped to cope with it and in this case she did not even ask for it. She was more like the older woman I met in the shop - I brought her needlessly to tears.

Post: #29

^ Makes sense. It's funny, at the time, it didn't even cross my mind that it might offend her. We all just kept talking as if she wasn't there. I try to have a dgaf attitude as much as possible, but I guess there are times when tact is in order. Lesson learned.

As for not banging the girl, I honestly couldn't give three shits that I missed that notch. Talkin to those guys about their setup was a lot more important to me and I'd be pissed at myself if I missed out on that for a 6's vagina. I've banged 6's before and I'll bang a lot more I'm sure, but you don't meet solid guys that can teach you shit very often. At the end of the night she became an option again, but she had cooled down and I missed out. I'm cool with that. I know a lot of guys here are all about banging no matter what, but like I said, I'm always honest with myself and I don't regret passing on her. I just wanted to know why she socked me.

Post: #30

OP has already been given a thorough talking to, so I won't pile on.

Let me just say it takes a lot for a girl to verbally hint that she's ready for the sex, which she had apparently done. It's the dropping of her shield. Nothing enrages them more than rejection after that point. A woman scorned, etc.

Post: #31

^ Shit, good point, didn't think of it that way. The slap was built up anger from when I left her horny to go smoke cigarettes with the guys. It must suck to get rejected as a girl. Let em down easy next time.

Post: #32

Is it fair to say that there are two schools of thought in regards to this?

One group of people don't necessarily need to close the bang all the time and another group does.

I love sex, but a creepy SNL with an average chick isn't always going to be my preference over good company with the bros, especially when it's enriching conversation.

On the other hand, some people will always be closing.

Nothing wrong with either preference.

Honestly though, talking shit about game when she is in the room and using her as your demonstration device probably earned you that slap to be honest. As Detroit Playas states, the game is to be Sold and not Told.

Post: #33

(05-02-2015 06:15 AM)CodyB Wrote:  Is it fair to say that there are two schools of thought in regards to this?

One group of people don't necessarily need to close the bang all the time and another group does.

I love sex, but a creepy SNL with an average chick isn't always going to be my preference over good company with the bros, especially when it's enriching conversation.

Why do we have to use the female SJW wordings now?

What is a creepy one-night-stand? Personally I find it exciting and most men do. What makes the night with a girl creepy unless you are a woman or completely feminized man-let.

And I mean no disrespect CodyB, but just curious about your choice of words.

Post: #34

(05-02-2015 06:15 AM)CodyB Wrote:  Is it fair to say that there are two schools of thought in regards to this?

One group of people don't necessarily need to close the bang all the time and another group does.

I love sex, but a creepy SNL with an average chick isn't always going to be my preference over good company with the bros, especially when it's enriching conversation.

On the other hand, some people will always be closing.

Nothing wrong with either preference.

Honestly though, talking shit about game when she is in the room and using her as your demonstration device probably earned you that slap to be honest. As Detroit Playas states, the game is to be Sold and not Told.

It absolutely makes sense sometimes to hold off on going home with a girl if you're hanging out with your good friends, and don't want to miss most of the night. But I think the OP is getting in the neck because a) these weren't his mates, they were random 18 year old dudes he'd just met. And b) he was trying so hard to impress them he started lecturing them on game in front of her, which then fucked up his chances of getting laid.

Post: #35

No offence Gas, I know you've come a long way but this is some amateur hour shit.

Check what jariel said. I need to rep that dude. He routinely posts gold.

Post: #36

Post: #37

(05-01-2015 07:07 PM)Gas Wrote:  Good responses, thanks.

Let me add a few details.

The girl was a 6 at best and I was honestly more interested in talking with these other guys I met - they had some really good shit going on and I wanted to talk to them about it, so I did. In my mind the girl was a distant second priority at the time. I'm brutally honest with myself when I critique my game and I honestly don't think I was afraid to close. I just wanted to finish my conversation with those guys and get their details, because they were ballers and are going to be really valuable contacts to have. You don't meet guys with their shit together every day, but 6's can be found anywhere. That's how I saw it anyway.

When those guys left I went back downstairs and she wasn't around, so I sat in the lounge talking to these other guys. I was rolling solo so I was mingling where I could. I definitely wasn't trying to "show off", although now that you say it I can see how it would've looked that way. I mean, I was talking with those guys for a good 20 mins before she showed up and honestly I didn't even know if she was still at the bar at that point. When she showed up I pulled her to the seat and then we all just kept talking about whatever we were talking about. The mood for me definitely wasn't "let me show these guys how cool I am", but more just a few guys shooting the shit and giving a few lessons to those 18 year olds next to us. I guess I'd had a good few drinks by then and it didn't really register that we were letting out "secrets" in front of her. Now that you guys say it, I realize when she showed up in that room is when I should have said my goodbyes to the fellas and closed. Lesson learned.

And by the way, although I definitely consider myself red pill aware I don't and never have claimed to have amazing game - I'm still learning, definitely.

Lessons learned:
-keep your eye on the prize
-don't talk game in front of girls

Still no consensus on what to do when you get hit.

There is a consensus, which is to not spit bad game. Getting hit is VERY rare, and not something that happens to 99% of guys (happened to me in my newbie days though, but I surely deserved it since I was acting like an idiot).

Getting hit by a girl is not something that you need to think about. Act normal and it won't happen. If she hits you then hit her back. Equality.

Post: #38

(05-02-2015 06:41 AM)zatara Wrote:  It absolutely makes sense sometimes to hold off on going home with a girl if you're hanging out with your good friends, and don't want to miss most of the night. But I think the OP is getting in the neck because a) these weren't his mates, they were random 18 year old dudes he'd just met. And b) he was trying so hard to impress them he started lecturing them on game in front of her, which then fucked up his chances of getting laid.

I didn't ditch her to hang with the 18 yr olds. I ditched her to hang with some guys I met outside smoking, who were two very cool and successful guys I had a lot of questions for. When they left I went inside and found the kids - the girl had disappeared by then.

Defnitely guilty on the trying too hard/show off part though. A lack of self awareness on my part. I didn't mean to come off that way, but on reflection I'm sure it did.

Thanks for the responses btw, it's interesting and very helpful how you guys pinpoint shit like this.

Post: #39

(05-02-2015 11:37 AM)travolta Wrote:  There is a consensus, which is to not spit bad game. Getting hit is VERY rare, and not something that happens to 99% of guys (happened to me in my newbie days though, but I surely deserved it since I was acting like an idiot).

Getting hit by a girl is not something that you need to think about. Act normal and it won't happen. If she hits you then hit her back. Equality.

I'd have no problem giving a girl a good jab if I actually felt threatened, but in a case like this I don't think I could do it. It's like youre punching a child in the face. Not to mention dealing with white knights, bouncers and legal shit.

Post: #40

(05-02-2015 10:08 AM)Blackwell Wrote:  No offence Gas, I know you've come a long way but this is some amateur hour shit.

Check what jariel said. I need to rep that dude. He routinely posts gold.

None taken. Give it to me straight, that's why we're here.

Post: #41

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Post: #42

Most everything relevant has already been stated. I've lost girls before, because I foolishly lingered in the bar too long or started other unnecessary conversations, when I already had a girl that was DTF. Those convos were with other girls though, as I don't care how cool a dude seems at the bar, I'm not losing pussy to make a new friend.

I will say this though, you may have dodged a bullet here. A girl that gets that emotional (in public no less) could quickly become a very unwanted house guest.

Post: #43

I've gotten punched in the face twice.

Once for trying to bang a girl who was super innocent and extremely pretty. She had a nasty mother-hen type friend whose only goal in life was to prevent her from hooking up with anyone. I got her to like me, a lot, but I made a mistake.

I banged another girl who was in a similar friend group. Needless to say, when I saw the mother hen talking to the girl I banged, I was a bit worried.

Then the mother hen starts walking towards me. Quickly. Angrily. She walks up to me and screams:

"WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING TO MY FRIEND!!"

Then out of nowhere, a swift right hook in the jaw. And this girl played hockey. She was tough as nails.

I was a bit drunk at the time, so I just looked at my boy next to me and laughed. What else could I do? I didn't know how to react. I definitely didn't get mad, but I wasn't sure what to do.

So my suggestion is just laugh. I did, and the hockey bitch was crying for the rest of the night apologizing.

And by the way, I did end up banging her friend. She was a virgin.

It was worth the jaw damage.